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Estellea · 13th March 2010, 05:08 PM

First, there was this story about Dr. Poul Thorsen, a Danish scientist that is being sought in connection with a 2 million U.S. dollar funding discrepancy originating from Aarhus University. If any of our Danish members here can shed some light upon this, it would be appreciated.

Then, the lawsuit against Dr. Paul Offit, Amy Wallace, WIRED and Condé Nast, instituted by Barbara Loe Fisher of NVIC was dismissed.

Lastly, the next 3 Omibus Autism Proceeding test cases using the thimerosal causation theory were all denied.

Este

BenBurch · 13th March 2010, 05:10 PM

I remember when Vax meant; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAX

pgwenthold · 13th March 2010, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

I remember when Vax meant; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAX

VAX was SO much eaiser to use than Unix and that stupid vi editor.

Estellea · 13th March 2010, 05:41 PM

I guess my title was rather misleading for you boys then. Or should I say geezers? Isn't it past your bedtimes?

Este

Lisa Simpson · 13th March 2010, 05:56 PM

The first story (the Danish scientist) is hardly bad news for the anti-vax crowd.

technoextreme · 13th March 2010, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson

The first story (the Danish scientist) is hardly bad news for the anti-vax crowd.

Unsurprisingly, its a non story to anyone who knows the intricacies of paper writing. The guy wasn't the first author nor the last.

shadron · 13th March 2010, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

VAX was SO much eaiser to use than Unix and that stupid vi editor.

I think you mean VMS. VAX was the machine that VMS and BSD UNIX ran on.

Sounds like it was a smash-up week for all the VACS folks.

Aitch · 14th March 2010, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

I remember when Vax meant; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAX

Aye! Mention VAX to the kiddies these days, what do they think of? This!

Zep · 14th March 2010, 12:26 AM

Nothing sucks like a VAX!

...hey, I still work on them (decommissioning them commercially and also resurrecting them in our museum).

Of course, VMS has become OpenVMS, which became the first commercial 64-bit OS many years ago (on Digital Alphas), and it now runs on Itanium platforms. Factoid 1: No-one has ever been able to break into a website hosted on properly secured OpenVMS.* Factoid 2: OpenVMS was fully qualified POSIX-compliant before any UNIX variant was.

*Trolled passwords, security management laziness and plenty of other "human" security loopholes certainly have been exploited.

Alt+F4 · 14th March 2010, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by Estellea

Lastly, the next 3 Omibus Autism Proceeding test cases using the thimerosal causation theory were all denied.

And they will appeal. This is far from over.

Estellea · 14th March 2010, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by Alt+F4

And they will appeal. This is far from over.

I have no doubt that at least one will try and appeal. The attorneys for the petitioners' steering committee are, after all, guaranteed a nice payday. But, I doubt it will be overturned, just as the first three test cases weren't.

This also doesn't exclude others from using any of the denied theories of causation; it just doesn't make their go any easier and the attorneys stand to be denied compensation if it is believed that they have filed a frivolous claim.

It is also, certainly, not over in the court of anti-vaxxer opinion and they will just keep chelating their poor children and screaming 'conspiracy'.

Este

Alt+F4 · 14th March 2010, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by Estellea

I have no doubt that at least one will try and appeal. The attorneys for the petitioners' steering committee are, after all, guaranteed a nice payday.

As will those government lawyers.

Quote:

This also doesn't exclude others from using any of the denied theories of causation; it just doesn't make their go any easier and the attorneys stand to be denied compensation if it is believed that they have filed a frivolous claim.

None of the special masters in these three cases said they were frivolous. In fact I don't recall ever reading about a judge declaring an austim/vaccine case as being frivolous, either in vaccine court or civil court.

Estellea · 14th March 2010, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by Alt+F4

As will those government lawyers.

There is a pool of DOJ attorneys that get paid whether or not there are claims and whether or not those claims are compensated. Since they are the respondents in all claims, I don't see the parallel.

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None of the special masters in these three cases said they were frivolous. In fact I don't recall ever reading about a judge declaring an austim/vaccine case as being frivolous, either in vaccine court or civil court.

I think you misunderstood. These test cases were not frivolous; I am talking about subsequent cases that may be brought using the same failed theories of causation. If they are relying upon the same parameters that were brought forth previously, they they may be deemed as frivolous, or having no merit and thus, not only will the claim be denied, but the attorneys may not be compensated: http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensat...egislation.pdf

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If the judgment of the United States Court of Federal Claims on such a petition does not award compensation, the special master or court may award an amount of compensation to cover petitioner's reasonable attorneys' fees and other costs incurred in any proceeding on such petition if the special master or court determines that the petition was brought in good faith and there was a reasonable basis for the claim for which the petition was brought.

There have been vaccine claims that were deemed without merit, but since the vaccine-autism cases are really just being decided based upon test cases, there may be subsequent cases that are deemed without merit since the injury claimed is not a table injury and if they have no new evidence to present.

Este

13th March 2010, 05:08 PM	#1
Estellea Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,132	Tumultuous Week in the Vax World. First, there was this story about Dr. Poul Thorsen, a Danish scientist that is being sought in connection with a 2 million U.S. dollar funding discrepancy originating from Aarhus University. If any of our Danish members here can shed some light upon this, it would be appreciated. Then, the lawsuit against Dr. Paul Offit, Amy Wallace, WIRED and Condé Nast, instituted by Barbara Loe Fisher of NVIC was dismissed. Lastly, the next 3 Omibus Autism Proceeding test cases using the thimerosal causation theory were all denied. Este

13th March 2010, 05:10 PM	#2
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,500	I remember when Vax meant; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAX
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13th March 2010, 05:16 PM	#3
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 12,119	Originally Posted by BenBurch I remember when Vax meant; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAX VAX was SO much eaiser to use than Unix and that stupid vi editor.
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13th March 2010, 05:56 PM	#5
Lisa Simpson THE Lisa Simpson Administrator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 123 Fake Street Posts: 20,111	The first story (the Danish scientist) is hardly bad news for the anti-vax crowd.
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13th March 2010, 08:14 PM	#6
technoextreme Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,786	Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson The first story (the Danish scientist) is hardly bad news for the anti-vax crowd. Unsurprisingly, its a non story to anyone who knows the intricacies of paper writing. The guy wasn't the first author nor the last.
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13th March 2010, 05:41 PM	#4
Estellea Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,132	I guess my title was rather misleading for you boys then. Or should I say geezers? Isn't it past your bedtimes? Este

13th March 2010, 08:39 PM	#7
shadron Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 5,719	Originally Posted by pgwenthold VAX was SO much eaiser to use than Unix and that stupid vi editor. I think you mean VMS. VAX was the machine that VMS and BSD UNIX ran on. Sounds like it was a smash-up week for all the VACS folks.
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14th March 2010, 12:03 AM	#8
Aitch Guest Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: StAines Posts: 2,731	Originally Posted by BenBurch I remember when Vax meant; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAX Aye! Mention VAX to the kiddies these days, what do they think of? This!

14th March 2010, 12:26 AM	#9
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Nothing sucks like a VAX! ...hey, I still work on them (decommissioning them commercially and also resurrecting them in our museum). Of course, VMS has become OpenVMS, which became the first commercial 64-bit OS many years ago (on Digital Alphas), and it now runs on Itanium platforms. Factoid 1: No-one has ever been able to break into a website hosted on properly secured OpenVMS.* Factoid 2: OpenVMS was fully qualified POSIX-compliant before any UNIX variant was. *Trolled passwords, security management laziness and plenty of other "human" security loopholes certainly have been exploited.
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14th March 2010, 06:49 AM	#10
Alt+F4 diabolical globalist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Department of Abandoned Places Posts: 9,804	Originally Posted by Estellea Lastly, the next 3 Omibus Autism Proceeding test cases using the thimerosal causation theory were all denied. And they will appeal. This is far from over.
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14th March 2010, 07:02 AM	#11
Estellea Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,132	Originally Posted by Alt+F4 And they will appeal. This is far from over. I have no doubt that at least one will try and appeal. The attorneys for the petitioners' steering committee are, after all, guaranteed a nice payday. But, I doubt it will be overturned, just as the first three test cases weren't. This also doesn't exclude others from using any of the denied theories of causation; it just doesn't make their go any easier and the attorneys stand to be denied compensation if it is believed that they have filed a frivolous claim. It is also, certainly, not over in the court of anti-vaxxer opinion and they will just keep chelating their poor children and screaming 'conspiracy'. Este

14th March 2010, 07:19 AM	#12
Alt+F4 diabolical globalist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Department of Abandoned Places Posts: 9,804	Originally Posted by Estellea I have no doubt that at least one will try and appeal. The attorneys for the petitioners' steering committee are, after all, guaranteed a nice payday. As will those government lawyers. Quote: This also doesn't exclude others from using any of the denied theories of causation; it just doesn't make their go any easier and the attorneys stand to be denied compensation if it is believed that they have filed a frivolous claim. None of the special masters in these three cases said they were frivolous. In fact I don't recall ever reading about a judge declaring an austim/vaccine case as being frivolous, either in vaccine court or civil court.
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14th March 2010, 08:31 AM	#13
Estellea Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,132	Originally Posted by Alt+F4 As will those government lawyers. There is a pool of DOJ attorneys that get paid whether or not there are claims and whether or not those claims are compensated. Since they are the respondents in all claims, I don't see the parallel. Quote: None of the special masters in these three cases said they were frivolous. In fact I don't recall ever reading about a judge declaring an austim/vaccine case as being frivolous, either in vaccine court or civil court. I think you misunderstood. These test cases were not frivolous; I am talking about subsequent cases that may be brought using the same failed theories of causation. If they are relying upon the same parameters that were brought forth previously, they they may be deemed as frivolous, or having no merit and thus, not only will the claim be denied, but the attorneys may not be compensated: http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensat...egislation.pdf Quote: If the judgment of the United States Court of Federal Claims on such a petition does not award compensation, the special master or court may award an amount of compensation to cover petitioner's reasonable attorneys' fees and other costs incurred in any proceeding on such petition if the special master or court determines that the petition was brought in good faith and there was a reasonable basis for the claim for which the petition was brought. There have been vaccine claims that were deemed without merit, but since the vaccine-autism cases are really just being decided based upon test cases, there may be subsequent cases that are deemed without merit since the injury claimed is not a table injury and if they have no new evidence to present. Este