I happen to dislike the name of this area.

Arthur Denton · 1st April 2010, 06:03 AM

Dearest JREF members and fellow users and lurkers and spammers of these forums.

I am concerned about the following. It is an open letter. It is short.

Why, I ask, do we have an USAian forum for discussing US politics ans a Third world forum for discussing the politics for everyone else? I mean, are the Unitedstadians better than the rest of the world? Shouldn't this be "rest of the world politics" subforum or maybe "non-us politics" subforum?

Yes, it is a rant.

Quote:

In fact maybe this is some april fools joke. The area I mean.

EvilSmurf · 1st April 2010, 06:17 AM

The name is probably a April Fool's Day prank, but I assume the area is here to stay (at least for a month trial).

Drudgewire · 1st April 2010, 06:34 AM

You recieved a PM about it but it was removed because it contained pictures of nekkid third world Canadians.

Darat · 1st April 2010, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by Arthur Denton

Dearest JREF members and fellow users and lurkers and spammers of these forums.

I am concerned about the following. It is an open letter. It is short.

Why, I ask, do we have an USAian forum for discussing US politics ans a Third world forum for discussing the politics for everyone else? I mean, are the Unitedstadians better than the rest of the world? Shouldn't this be "rest of the world politics" subforum or maybe "non-us politics" subforum?

Yes, it is a rant.

See: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=171617

Ohforf · 1st April 2010, 01:06 PM

Thanks for the Lesson, i had to look up the Wiki Article about 1st/2nd/3rd World to know what i'm talking about.
It looks like US Citizens making Fun of themselves.
In my Opinion, these Numbers mean nothing.
Compare the USA(1st) to Switzerland(3rd)... which place is "better" ?

Dorian Gray · 1st April 2010, 02:40 PM

It's because compared to the US Americans, like such as, the other in the Iraq and the others like Spain or Spain, they come in third in a race where the US Americans tie with themselves and take up the two spots.

Gord_in_Toronto · 1st April 2010, 02:41 PM

The Game is over. But who won?

JoeTheJuggler · 1st April 2010, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

The Game is over. But who won?

This popped into my mind when I read your post:

Quote:

Joshua: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?

Thunder · 1st April 2010, 04:36 PM

I think a GREAT solution, is to rename this section:

World Politics

JJM 777 · 2nd April 2010, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by parky76

I think a GREAT solution, is to rename this section:

World Politics

Try to throw US politics in one basket, and world politics in another basket. Much of the time you must cut your ball in half, and throw one half to each of the baskets.

But that is not the biggest negative thing in this forum subcategory born on 1st April. Another negative issue is the obvious USA-centrist thinking behind it (USA, unlike any other country, deserves a category of its own). Well if that is the message and impression that Randi wants for his JREF organization, so be it. But it sucks.

dtugg · 2nd April 2010, 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by JJM 777

Try to throw US politics in one basket, and world politics in another basket. Much of the time you must cut your ball in half, and throw one half to each of the baskets.

But that is not the biggest negative thing in this forum subcategory born on 1st April. Another negative issue is the obvious USA-centrist thinking behind it (USA, unlike any other country, deserves a category of its own). Well if that is the message and impression that Randi wants for his JREF organization, so be it. But it sucks.

Obviously, this was done because most of the threads in the old politics subforum were about American politics. Mostly because a large percentage of posters here are Americans. It doesn't really have anything to do with the USA "deserving" it's own subforum because we're the center of the Universe or anything. I think this solution is better for posters who want to discuss the politics of other countries because those threads aren't going to be knocked off the first page nearly as quickly.

quadraginta · 2nd April 2010, 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by JJM 777

Try to throw US politics in one basket, and world politics in another basket. Much of the time you must cut your ball in half, and throw one half to each of the baskets.

But that is not the biggest negative thing in this forum subcategory born on 1st April. Another negative issue is the obvious USA-centrist thinking behind it (USA, unlike any other country, deserves a category of its own). Well if that is the message and impression that Randi wants for his JREF organization, so be it. But it sucks.

It wasn't "USA-centrist thinking" that prompted it. Quite the opposite. You may want to check out this thread, Politics Forum Reform.

JoeTheJuggler · 2nd April 2010, 08:23 AM

I'd prefer subforums for topics that get a lot of threads. Healthcare for one, Israel for another. I think this is already done with big elections (a temporary subforum to collect all the threads to do with the U.S. Presidential election, for example).

I don't know how much hassle that is for administrators, though.

DC · 2nd April 2010, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by Ohforf

Thanks for the Lesson, i had to look up the Wiki Article about 1st/2nd/3rd World to know what i'm talking about.
It looks like US Citizens making Fun of themselves.
In my Opinion, these Numbers mean nothing.
Compare the USA(1st) to Switzerland(3rd)... which place is "better" ?

depends, do you want to build a minaret?

Safe-Keeper · 2nd April 2010, 12:22 PM

I happen to dislike the current "Non-USA & General Politics" header. Is "Non-USA" even valid grammar? Wouldn't "Global politics" or something work better?

Quote:

In fact maybe this is some april fools joke. The area I mean.

Imagine that.

Quote:

I'd prefer subforums for topics that get a lot of threads. Healthcare for one, Israel for another. I think this is already done with big elections (a temporary subforum to collect all the threads to do with the U.S. Presidential election, for example).

"The Parky76 Israel Discussion" sub-forum + Sub-forum hide feature =

Architect · 2nd April 2010, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

I happen to dislike the current "Non-USA & General Politics" header. Is "Non-USA" even valid grammar? Wouldn't "Global politics" or something work better?

"Global Politics" would seem more sensible.

Darat · 2nd April 2010, 12:32 PM

But unless my geography is even more rusty that I thought I was pretty sure that the USA was on the same globe as the rest of us?

Seriously - if you'd like to comment on names and the trial itself please use the thread in Forum Management: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=171286 Thanks

1st April 2010, 06:03 AM	#1
Arthur Denton Muse Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Brazil Posts: 896	I happen to dislike the name of this area. Dearest JREF members and fellow users and lurkers and spammers of these forums. I am concerned about the following. It is an open letter. It is short. Why, I ask, do we have an USAian forum for discussing US politics ans a Third world forum for discussing the politics for everyone else? I mean, are the Unitedstadians better than the rest of the world? Shouldn't this be "rest of the world politics" subforum or maybe "non-us politics" subforum? Yes, it is a rant. Quote: In fact maybe this is some april fools joke. The area I mean.
	__________________ Currently working a lot. Religious people are samrt. Last edited by Arthur Denton; 1st April 2010 at 06:05 AM.

1st April 2010, 06:17 AM	#2
EvilSmurf JREF Bowl Pool Champion Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The USA Posts: 1,551	The name is probably a April Fool's Day prank, but I assume the area is here to stay (at least for a month trial).
	__________________ Ah, Australian animals. If it isn't venomous, carnivorous, or has foot-long claws, it's a tourist.

1st April 2010, 06:34 AM	#3
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9,434	You recieved a PM about it but it was removed because it contained pictures of nekkid third world Canadians.
	__________________ "You post a lie, it is proven 100% false, you move the goalposts and post yet another lie and it continues on around till we're back to the original lie as if it will somehow become true if it's re-iterated again. The same misquotes over and over again. The same hindsight bias, appeals to authority, etc." -lapman describing every twoofer on the internet

1st April 2010, 06:38 AM	#4
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,788	Originally Posted by Arthur Denton Dearest JREF members and fellow users and lurkers and spammers of these forums. I am concerned about the following. It is an open letter. It is short. Why, I ask, do we have an USAian forum for discussing US politics ans a Third world forum for discussing the politics for everyone else? I mean, are the Unitedstadians better than the rest of the world? Shouldn't this be "rest of the world politics" subforum or maybe "non-us politics" subforum? Yes, it is a rant. See: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=171617
	__________________ If it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart? - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn 1918-2008

1st April 2010, 01:06 PM	#5
Ohforf Scholar Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South of Heaven Posts: 119	Thanks for the Lesson, i had to look up the Wiki Article about 1st/2nd/3rd World to know what i'm talking about. It looks like US Citizens making Fun of themselves. In my Opinion, these Numbers mean nothing. Compare the USA(1st) to Switzerland(3rd)... which place is "better" ?
	__________________ Opinions are like holes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. Last edited by Ohforf; 1st April 2010 at 01:10 PM.

1st April 2010, 02:40 PM	#6
Dorian Gray Hypocrisy Detector Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 20,195	It's because compared to the US Americans, like such as, the other in the Iraq and the others like Spain or Spain, they come in third in a race where the US Americans tie with themselves and take up the two spots.
	__________________ "A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka "Rational arguments don't work on religious people. If they did, there wouldn't be any religious people." - House Additionally to Carlin being funnier than Izzard, I think Dorian is funnier than the Marquis. - Ron Tomkins

1st April 2010, 02:41 PM	#7
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 13,417	The Game is over. But who won?
	__________________ "Reality is what's left when you cease to believe." Philip K. Dick

1st April 2010, 03:42 PM	#8
JoeTheJuggler Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: St. Louis Posts: 26,794	Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto The Game is over. But who won? This popped into my mind when I read your post: Quote: Joshua: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?
	__________________ "That is a very graphic analogy which aids understanding wonderfully while being, strictly speaking, wrong in every possible way." —Ponder Stibbons

1st April 2010, 04:36 PM	#9
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	I think a GREAT solution, is to rename this section: World Politics

2nd April 2010, 12:15 AM	#10
JJM 777 Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Finland Posts: 3,175	Originally Posted by parky76 I think a GREAT solution, is to rename this section: World Politics Try to throw US politics in one basket, and world politics in another basket. Much of the time you must cut your ball in half, and throw one half to each of the baskets. But that is not the biggest negative thing in this forum subcategory born on 1st April. Another negative issue is the obvious USA-centrist thinking behind it (USA, unlike any other country, deserves a category of its own). Well if that is the message and impression that Randi wants for his JREF organization, so be it. But it sucks.

2nd April 2010, 02:18 AM	#11
dtugg Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NWO headquarters Posts: 7,898	Originally Posted by JJM 777 Try to throw US politics in one basket, and world politics in another basket. Much of the time you must cut your ball in half, and throw one half to each of the baskets. But that is not the biggest negative thing in this forum subcategory born on 1st April. Another negative issue is the obvious USA-centrist thinking behind it (USA, unlike any other country, deserves a category of its own). Well if that is the message and impression that Randi wants for his JREF organization, so be it. But it sucks. Obviously, this was done because most of the threads in the old politics subforum were about American politics. Mostly because a large percentage of posters here are Americans. It doesn't really have anything to do with the USA "deserving" it's own subforum because we're the center of the Universe or anything. I think this solution is better for posters who want to discuss the politics of other countries because those threads aren't going to be knocked off the first page nearly as quickly.

2nd April 2010, 04:54 AM	#12
quadraginta What was the question? Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility Posts: 7,910	Originally Posted by JJM 777 Try to throw US politics in one basket, and world politics in another basket. Much of the time you must cut your ball in half, and throw one half to each of the baskets. But that is not the biggest negative thing in this forum subcategory born on 1st April. Another negative issue is the obvious USA-centrist thinking behind it (USA, unlike any other country, deserves a category of its own). Well if that is the message and impression that Randi wants for his JREF organization, so be it. But it sucks. It wasn't "USA-centrist thinking" that prompted it. Quite the opposite. You may want to check out this thread, Politics Forum Reform.
	__________________ "It never does just what I want, but only what I tell it."

2nd April 2010, 08:23 AM	#13
JoeTheJuggler Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: St. Louis Posts: 26,794	I'd prefer subforums for topics that get a lot of threads. Healthcare for one, Israel for another. I think this is already done with big elections (a temporary subforum to collect all the threads to do with the U.S. Presidential election, for example). I don't know how much hassle that is for administrators, though.
	__________________ "That is a very graphic analogy which aids understanding wonderfully while being, strictly speaking, wrong in every possible way." —Ponder Stibbons

2nd April 2010, 08:41 AM	#14
DC dedicated aphilatelist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 21,674	Originally Posted by Ohforf Thanks for the Lesson, i had to look up the Wiki Article about 1st/2nd/3rd World to know what i'm talking about. It looks like US Citizens making Fun of themselves. In my Opinion, these Numbers mean nothing. Compare the USA(1st) to Switzerland(3rd)... which place is "better" ? depends, do you want to build a minaret?
	__________________ AGW is a fact, including the A, face it

2nd April 2010, 12:22 PM	#15
Safe-Keeper Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sogndal, Norway Posts: 7,116	I happen to dislike the current "Non-USA & General Politics" header. Is "Non-USA" even valid grammar? Wouldn't "Global politics" or something work better? Quote: In fact maybe this is some april fools joke. The area I mean. Imagine that. Quote: I'd prefer subforums for topics that get a lot of threads. Healthcare for one, Israel for another. I think this is already done with big elections (a temporary subforum to collect all the threads to do with the U.S. Presidential election, for example). "The Parky76 Israel Discussion" sub-forum + Sub-forum hide feature =
	Last edited by Safe-Keeper; 2nd April 2010 at 12:24 PM.

2nd April 2010, 12:27 PM	#16
Architect Chief Punkah Wallah Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: UK Posts: 8,478	Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper I happen to dislike the current "Non-USA & General Politics" header. Is "Non-USA" even valid grammar? Wouldn't "Global politics" or something work better? "Global Politics" would seem more sensible.
	__________________ When the men elected to make laws are but a small part of a foreign parliament, that is when all healthy national feeling dies. James Keir Hardie (1856 - 1915): Politician, Founder of Scottish Labour Party

2nd April 2010, 12:32 PM	#17
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,788	But unless my geography is even more rusty that I thought I was pretty sure that the USA was on the same globe as the rest of us? Seriously - if you'd like to comment on names and the trial itself please use the thread in Forum Management: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=171286 Thanks
	__________________ If it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart? - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn 1918-2008