A not unexpected silence

Buckaroo · 6th April 2010, 05:54 PM

Where are all the pundits who were crowing about this past winter's snow invalidating AGW, now that we're experiencing record-breaking heat in half of CONUS? That sword cuts both ways, guys.

Hey, it was your argument.

Furcifer · 6th April 2010, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Buckaroo

Where are all the pundits who were crowing about this past winter's snow invalidating AGW, now that we're experiencing record-breaking heat in half of CONUS? That sword cuts both ways, guys.

Hey, it was your argument.

Every winter there's global cooling, every summer there's global warming.

The graph looks like this: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Crazy.

BenBurch · 6th April 2010, 07:19 PM

They didn't even win with winter;

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...032603171.html

Quote:

<SNIP>

NOAA's National Climatic Data Center reports that worldwide the average temperature for winter was 54.9 degrees Fahrenheit (12.7 Celsius).

That's 1.08 degrees F (0.60 C) above average for the three-month period.

<SNIP>

Captain.Sassy · 6th April 2010, 07:28 PM

yeah good point Buckaroo. I think most of the warmmongers on this site realize that one season does not a climate change make...whereas the denialists will seize on any shred of purported evidence and trumpet it with the (perhaps justified) hope that 'a misrepresentation repeated loudly enough becomes the truth'

hence the deafening silence from the AGW camp in the face of a single supporting datum.

PixyMisa · 6th April 2010, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Captain.Sassy

yeah good point Buckaroo. I think most of the warmmongers on this site realize that one season does not a climate change make...

Maybe the ones here realise that, but it's extremely common for weather events to be blamed on global warming in the popular media, the internet in general, and everyday conversation.

DogB · 6th April 2010, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by PixyMisa

Maybe the ones here realise that...

Not all of them. Macdoc at least has been blaming every warm afternoon on global warming for a fair old while now.

ETA: Actually now that I spend a little time think about this I think I’m going to take some offense at the OP. Ever since I started posting on this subject, pretty much every warm day, every tiny drop in rainfall, every early blooming bluebell, has been shoved in my face as incontrovertible evidence of AGW.

Now you express derision when a cold wet winter initiates a few doubting comments?

MattusMaximus · 6th April 2010, 08:35 PM

Climate vs. weather, people... look it up

Buckaroo · 6th April 2010, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

Climate vs. weather, people... look it up

Yep, I know -- my point was about the hipocrisy of Inhofe et al.

MattusMaximus · 6th April 2010, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by DogB

Now you express derision when a cold wet winter initiates a few doubting comments?

Oh no, I expressed plenty of derision towards the denialist crowd months ago during a warming snap in mid-January in the upper Midwest. I even started a parody thread on it called Global cooling... debunked?

Some of us are ahead of the curve

DogB · 6th April 2010, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

Some of us are ahead of the curve

Poptech was gathering cold weather stories in response to macdoc’s warm weather =AGW bs last SH winter.

So you’re behind Poptech. Proud?

Cavemonster · 6th April 2010, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by DogB

Now you express derision when a cold wet winter initiates a few doubting comments?

A few doubting comments?
http://ifglobalwarmingisrealthenwhyi....blogspot.com/

That's an odd way to characterize a staple of radio, television, internet discussion and even newspaper comics.

DogB · 7th April 2010, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by Cavemonster

That's an odd way to characterize a staple of radio, television, internet discussion and even newspaper comics.

So you posted the comics. Right.

Ok so other than the comics, perhaps you could find me say 3 serious articles claiming that the recent winter invalidates global warming? I had a quick look around and other than one or two incoherent right wing crazies, I actually couldn’t find anything. Even Anthony Watts posted all the record cold stories under the by-line ‘weather is not climate’.

Actually, just find me one.

Cavemonster · 7th April 2010, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by DogB

So you posted the comics. Right.

Ok so other than the comics, perhaps you could find me say 3 serious articles claiming that the recent winter invalidates global warming? I had a quick look around and other than one or two incoherent right wing crazies, I actually couldn’t find anything. Even Anthony Watts posted all the record cold stories under the by-line ‘weather is not climate’.

Actually, just find me one.

Oh, they have to be "serious articles" now? For me it's enough that the claim was repeated by several Fox news and opinion shows, by Op Ed pieces in large mainstream newspapers, by Republican members of Congress speaking with the press.

http://vodpod.com/watch/3028702-fox-...warming-theory
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...eddon-is-nigh/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ming-snow-job/
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...107.guest.html
http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/6242
http://mediamattersaction.org/blog/201002190001
http://www.floppingaces.net/2010/02/...lobal-warming/
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...hatters-record

Here's another clip from Fox News
http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Polit...global-warming

Here's Glenn Beck
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-5...es-in-New-York

I'm sure you'll find reasons these "don't count" I'll digg up another batch when you do.

Rolfe · 7th April 2010, 03:39 AM

Tell me about this record-breaking heat.... [wistful sigh]

It's 7th April and I have snow lying in my garden.

Except - it's a nice day today. We're all doomed! Doomed, I tell you!!!

Rolfe.

macdoc · 7th April 2010, 04:22 AM

DogB sniped

Quote:

Not all of them. Macdoc at least has been blaming every warm afternoon on global warming for a fair old while now.

Defend the accusation or withdraw it

I preface any comments on extreme events with "no single event...."

That you don't understand that AGW changes consist of events that are more extreme more frequently is not my problem but yours.

That the OP does not understand that heavier snowpacks are consistent with AGW is his.

DogB · 7th April 2010, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by Cavemonster

I'm sure you'll find reasons these "don't count" I'll digg up another batch when you do.

I'm not going to look at any of these because I make it a rule not read 'incoherant right wing loonbags, but I concede. I was somewhat ignorant of the level of insanity in the US, my bad. **

DogB · 7th April 2010, 05:16 AM

Originally Posted by macdoc

Defend the accusation or withdraw it

.

Seriously? You write this sort of thing all the damn time...

Originally Posted by macdoc

May 24 used to be the big spring planting weekend - that's long gone - tulips daffodils almost done and the white cherry blossoms just peaking.
Several days over 20 including a couple 27 and 28 in April.

Or maybe you were just discussing the weather?

(Oh BTW, how are the tulips going this year?)

LTC8K6 · 7th April 2010, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by Buckaroo

Where are all the pundits who were crowing about this past winter's snow invalidating AGW, now that we're experiencing record-breaking heat in half of CONUS? That sword cuts both ways, guys.

Hey, it was your argument.

I recall every hot day, tornado, hurricane, etc., for the last 10 years being blamed on AGW...

BenBurch · 7th April 2010, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by LTC8K6

I recall every hot day, tornado, hurricane, etc., for the last 10 years being blamed on AGW...

Seriously? I recall a lot of jokes about it, but nobody who was actually serious who knew anything about it.

Buckaroo · 7th April 2010, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by macdoc

That the OP does not understand that heavier snowpacks are consistent with AGW is his.

Huh?

I think you might be confusing me with someone else.

Captain.Sassy · 7th April 2010, 07:36 AM

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BenBurch · 7th April 2010, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by Buckaroo

Huh?

I think you might be confusing me with someone else.

I almost misread your OP too.

6th April 2010, 05:54 PM	#1
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6th April 2010, 07:28 PM	#4
Captain.Sassy Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,180	yeah good point Buckaroo. I think most of the warmmongers on this site realize that one season does not a climate change make...whereas the denialists will seize on any shred of purported evidence and trumpet it with the (perhaps justified) hope that 'a misrepresentation repeated loudly enough becomes the truth' hence the deafening silence from the AGW camp in the face of a single supporting datum.
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PixyMisa Persnickety Insect Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sunny Munuvia Posts: 14,903	Originally Posted by Captain.Sassy yeah good point Buckaroo. I think most of the warmmongers on this site realize that one season does not a climate change make... Maybe the ones here realise that, but it's extremely common for weather events to be blamed on global warming in the popular media, the internet in general, and everyday conversation.
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DogB Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,496	Originally Posted by PixyMisa Maybe the ones here realise that... Not all of them. Macdoc at least has been blaming every warm afternoon on global warming for a fair old while now. ETA: Actually now that I spend a little time think about this I think I’m going to take some offense at the OP. Ever since I started posting on this subject, pretty much every warm day, every tiny drop in rainfall, every early blooming bluebell, has been shoved in my face as incontrovertible evidence of AGW. Now you express derision when a cold wet winter initiates a few doubting comments?
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6th April 2010, 06:48 PM	#2
Furcifer miscreant Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: hohm Posts: 13,379	Originally Posted by Buckaroo Where are all the pundits who were crowing about this past winter's snow invalidating AGW, now that we're experiencing record-breaking heat in half of CONUS? That sword cuts both ways, guys. Hey, it was your argument. Every winter there's global cooling, every summer there's global warming. The graph looks like this: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Crazy.

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Buckaroo Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 1,712	Originally Posted by MattusMaximus Climate vs. weather, people... look it up Yep, I know -- my point was about the hipocrisy of Inhofe et al.
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MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Originally Posted by DogB Now you express derision when a cold wet winter initiates a few doubting comments? Oh no, I expressed plenty of derision towards the denialist crowd months ago during a warming snap in mid-January in the upper Midwest. I even started a parody thread on it called Global cooling... debunked? Some of us are ahead of the curve
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6th April 2010, 11:08 PM	#10
DogB Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,496	Originally Posted by MattusMaximus Some of us are ahead of the curve Poptech was gathering cold weather stories in response to macdoc’s warm weather =AGW bs last SH winter. So you’re behind Poptech. Proud?
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Cavemonster Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,916	Originally Posted by DogB Now you express derision when a cold wet winter initiates a few doubting comments? A few doubting comments? http://ifglobalwarmingisrealthenwhyi....blogspot.com/ That's an odd way to characterize a staple of radio, television, internet discussion and even newspaper comics.
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7th April 2010, 12:15 AM	#12
DogB Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,496	Originally Posted by Cavemonster That's an odd way to characterize a staple of radio, television, internet discussion and even newspaper comics. So you posted the comics. Right. Ok so other than the comics, perhaps you could find me say 3 serious articles claiming that the recent winter invalidates global warming? I had a quick look around and other than one or two incoherent right wing crazies, I actually couldn’t find anything. Even Anthony Watts posted all the record cold stories under the by-line ‘weather is not climate’. Actually, just find me one.
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7th April 2010, 12:57 AM	#13
Cavemonster Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,916	Originally Posted by DogB So you posted the comics. Right. Ok so other than the comics, perhaps you could find me say 3 serious articles claiming that the recent winter invalidates global warming? I had a quick look around and other than one or two incoherent right wing crazies, I actually couldn’t find anything. Even Anthony Watts posted all the record cold stories under the by-line ‘weather is not climate’. Actually, just find me one. Oh, they have to be "serious articles" now? For me it's enough that the claim was repeated by several Fox news and opinion shows, by Op Ed pieces in large mainstream newspapers, by Republican members of Congress speaking with the press. http://vodpod.com/watch/3028702-fox-...warming-theory http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...eddon-is-nigh/ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ming-snow-job/ http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...107.guest.html http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/6242 http://mediamattersaction.org/blog/201002190001 http://www.floppingaces.net/2010/02/...lobal-warming/ http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...hatters-record Here's another clip from Fox News http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Polit...global-warming Here's Glenn Beck http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-5...es-in-New-York I'm sure you'll find reasons these "don't count" I'll digg up another batch when you do.
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Rolfe Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 34,305	Tell me about this record-breaking heat.... [wistful sigh] It's 7th April and I have snow lying in my garden. Except - it's a nice day today. We're all doomed! Doomed, I tell you!!! Rolfe.
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DogB Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,496	Originally Posted by Cavemonster I'm sure you'll find reasons these "don't count" I'll digg up another batch when you do. I'm not going to look at any of these because I make it a rule not read 'incoherant right wing loonbags, but I concede. I was somewhat ignorant of the level of insanity in the US, my bad. **
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DogB Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,496	Originally Posted by macdoc Defend the accusation or withdraw it . Seriously? You write this sort of thing all the damn time... Originally Posted by macdoc May 24 used to be the big spring planting weekend - that's long gone - tulips daffodils almost done and the white cherry blossoms just peaking. Several days over 20 including a couple 27 and 28 in April. Or maybe you were just discussing the weather? (Oh BTW, how are the tulips going this year?)
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LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,615	Originally Posted by Buckaroo Where are all the pundits who were crowing about this past winter's snow invalidating AGW, now that we're experiencing record-breaking heat in half of CONUS? That sword cuts both ways, guys. Hey, it was your argument. I recall every hot day, tornado, hurricane, etc., for the last 10 years being blamed on AGW...
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BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,076	Originally Posted by LTC8K6 I recall every hot day, tornado, hurricane, etc., for the last 10 years being blamed on AGW... Seriously? I recall a lot of jokes about it, but nobody who was actually serious who knew anything about it.
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7th April 2010, 06:50 AM	#20
Buckaroo Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 1,712	Originally Posted by macdoc That the OP does not understand that heavier snowpacks are consistent with AGW is his. Huh? I think you might be confusing me with someone else.
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7th April 2010, 07:58 AM	#22
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,076	Originally Posted by Buckaroo Huh? I think you might be confusing me with someone else. I almost misread your OP too.
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