New brilliant theory, free for truther consumption

TK0001 · 7th April 2010, 11:03 AM

Alright, hear me out:

Some truthers claim the DNA evidence of the victims of flight 77 is genuine, but since it had to be shipped to an off-site location, and there wasn't a camera following the evidence from the Pentagon to the lab, it really could have come from anywhere. At the same time, they believe the Shanksville site could have involved a plane, but that plane sure as hell wasn't flight 93.

I think you're picking up what I'm laying down, but I'll go ahead and spell it out:

The only possible conclusion is flight 77 crashed in Shanksville and flight 93 crashed into the Pentagon, and the government spent billions of dollars from their black budget to make it look like the opposite happened.

I'll just assume your minds are sufficiently blown at this point. It all makes perfect sense. After donning the tinfoil truther Truth Enhancement Cranial Device, that is.

sheeplesnshills · 7th April 2010, 12:47 PM

Now we know why they refused to collect serial numbers! its all clear now.

But wait didn't the plane fly OVER the pentagon? I'm sure P4T absolutely proved that somewhere....

TK0001 · 7th April 2010, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by sheeplesnshills

Now we know why they refused to collect serial numbers! its all clear now.

But wait didn't the plane fly OVER the pentagon? I'm sure P4T absolutely proved that somewhere....

The first flight flew over the Pentagon just after dropping the fake American Airlines "wreckage" all over the lawn.

Orphia Nay · 7th April 2010, 05:25 PM

Truthers will never adopt that theory because it actually makes some sense.

dropzone · 7th April 2010, 07:41 PM

Have a friend who was involved with one, or the other's two's DNA comparisons. I like her. I've respected her for decades. I am convinced that her results were fully-in-keeping with other claims.

Sorry, they do not connect with those of random hockey players or curlers. They can call for later calls for drinks, but it ain't our call.

Kesha · 12th May 2010, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by TK0001

Alright, hear me out:

Some truthers claim the DNA evidence of the victims of flight 77 is genuine, but since it had to be shipped to an off-site location, and there wasn't a camera following the evidence from the Pentagon to the lab, it really could have come from anywhere. At the same time, they believe the Shanksville site could have involved a plane, but that plane sure as hell wasn't flight 93.

I think you're picking up what I'm laying down, but I'll go ahead and spell it out:

The only possible conclusion is flight 77 crashed in Shanksville and flight 93 crashed into the Pentagon, and the government spent billions of dollars from their black budget to make it look like the opposite happened.

I'll just assume your minds are sufficiently blown at this point. It all makes perfect sense. After donning the tinfoil truther Truth Enhancement Cranial Device, that is.

There is a simple solution:

Prove your point of view.

As far as I know, there is neither an evidence that these guys boarded AA77 and UA93, nor forensic evidence that they died in these planes. A lot of "John Doe" forensic claims, though.

If that`s too difficult, just provide serial numbers of parts of the related Boeings.
That ain`t rocket science Dude. Daily routine for an average attorney.

Regards,
Kesha

Bell · 12th May 2010, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Kesha

There is a simple solution:

Prove your point of view.

As far as I know, there is neither an evidence that these guys boarded AA77 and UA93, nor forensic evidence that they died in these planes. A lot of "John Doe" forensic claims, though.

If that`s too difficult, just provide serial numbers of the related Boeings.
That ain`t rocket science Dude. Daily routine for an average attorney.

Regards,
Kesha

Here is a simple question:

What DID happen and can you proof that?

Regards,
Bell

Kesha · 12th May 2010, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Bell

Here is a simple question:

What DID happen and can you proof that?

Regards,
Bell

I don`t need to prove anything. The official story is what we are talking about. See my posting above. I won`t provide any alternative scenario, why should I ?

Regards,
Kesha

carlitos · 12th May 2010, 02:39 PM

Because there isn't a plausible one that fits evidence and observed events?

switchpoint · 12th May 2010, 02:42 PM

Quote:

As far as I know, there is neither an evidence that these guys boarded AA77 and UA93, nor forensic evidence that they died in these planes. A lot of "John Doe" forensic claims, though.

If that`s too difficult, just provide serial numbers of the related Boeings.

Sorry, the Federal Bureau of Investigation of the United States of America and the United States Army are not "John Doe". Ironically, the only "John Doe's" here are the small group of internet truthers who occasionally pop out of there holes to regurgitate the same disproven claptrap and let out a squeal of "new investigation".

As to the numbers - why bother, there is absolutley no indication that anyone in the troofer movement is poised or ready to accept proof about anything except that which will constantly reinforce their conspiracy fanatsies.

Kesha · 12th May 2010, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by carlitos

Because there isn't a plausible one that fits evidence and observed events?

Which goes like?

Bell · 12th May 2010, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Kesha

I don`t need to prove anything. The official story is what we are talking about. See my posting above. I won`t provide any alternative scenario, why should I ?

Regards,
Kesha

Okay fine, then don't provide any alternative scenario, what else is new?

So you want to talk about the official story? Where's your PROOF that the official story is not true? Yes, you need to prove it is not true.

Regards,
Bell

Kesha · 12th May 2010, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by switchpoint

Sorry, the Federal Bureau of Investigation of the United States of America and the United States Army are not "John Doe". Ironically, the only "John Doe's" here are the small group of internet truthers who occasionally pop out of there holes to regurgitate the same disproven claptrap and let out a squeal of "new investigation".

As to the numbers - why bother, there is absolutley no indication that anyone in the troofer movement is poised or ready to accept proof about anything except that which will constantly reinforce their conspiracy fanatsies.

I am not in the "Truther Movement". I am an engineer. If you are driving a BMW or an AUDI, you`ll probably drive one of my products,

OK, back to topic.
As far as I know, none of the 19 individuals have been identified. The forensic evidence identified the remains as "John Doe".

Is this right or wrong?

NutCracker · 12th May 2010, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Kesha

I am not in the "Truther Movement". I am an engineer. If you are driving a BMW or an AUDI, you`ll probably drive one of my products,

OK, back to topic.
As far as I know, none of the 19 individuals have been identified. The forensic evidence identified the remains as "John Doe".

Is this right or wrong?

If true, what would the significance be?

beachnut · 12th May 2010, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Kesha

I don`t need to prove anything. The official story is what we are talking about. See my posting above. I won`t provide any alternative scenario, why should I ?

Regards,
Kesha

You are right the official story is based on evidence and the dolts in 911 truth have failed for 8 years.
19 terrorists boarded four planes - evidence is solid and there is not a thing 911 truth can do to change history by claiming complete ignorance of evidence and failing to stand behind their idiotic claims and insane conclusions 911 truth can't state.

77 impacted the Pentagon, it is proved by evidence as is Flight 93 impacting in PA. Evidence ignored by 911 truth so they can have failed moronic delusions; 911 truth does not have to prove they have moronic delusions, 911 truth has no idea they have delusions due to lack of knowledge and willful ignorance of evidence.

It takes a great deal of ignorance to not figure out 911. Flight 93 Passengers set the standard. After 8 years 911 truth has failed to do what Flight 93 Passengers did in minutes.

Kesha · 12th May 2010, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by NutCracker

If true, what would the significance be?

IF??

Dude, we are talking about science, not feasibilities.

switchpoint · 12th May 2010, 03:05 PM

Wrong.

Kesha · 12th May 2010, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by beachnut

You are right the official story is based on evidence and the dolts in 911 truth have failed for 8 years.
19 terrorists boarded four planes - evidence is solid

Cheers!

Please provide the original Passenger Manifest for each flight.

When this Airbus crashed in Africa today, this matter was solved within 2 hours.

Kesha · 12th May 2010, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by switchpoint

Wrong.

Talking about science, not feasibilities is wrong?

No wonder GM went down the drain.

Bell · 12th May 2010, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Kesha

I am not in the "Truther Movement". I am an engineer. If you are driving a BMW or an AUDI, you`ll probably drive one of my products,

OK, back to topic.
As far as I know, none of the 19 individuals have been identified. The forensic evidence identified the remains as "John Doe".

Is this right or wrong?

Appeal to authority noted.

So, there were persons on board the planes, besides the crew and regular passengers, that could not be identified? Jeez, wonder who they were?

NutCracker · 12th May 2010, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Kesha

IF??

Dude, we are talking about science, not feasibilities.

Who is talking about feasibilities? Not me. 'if A then B' is an expression in basic propositional logic, Is propositional logic not a part of science?

Please discuss the consequences of your premise being true.

Kesha · 12th May 2010, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Bell

Appeal to authority noted.

So, there were persons on board the planes, besides the crew and regular passengers, that could not be identified? Jeez, wonder who they were?

Thats the result of the FBI on September 16th 2001.

Go on. It`s not my theory.

Kesha · 12th May 2010, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by NutCracker

Who is talking about feasibilities? Not me. 'if A then B' is an expression in basic propositional logic, Is propositional logic not a part of science?

Please discuss the consequences of your premise being true.

I don`t discuss anything based on "US" intelligence". Too much IRAQI WMDs.

Just prove your point of view.

Bell · 12th May 2010, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Kesha

Thats the result of the FBI on September 16th 2001.

Go on. It`s not my theory.

Go on with what?

If it's not your theory, then what is?

NutCracker · 12th May 2010, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Kesha

I don`t discuss anything based on "US" intelligence". Too much IRAQI WMDs.

Just prove your point of view.

You seem to regard the hijackers being identified an issue. I ask you why. And it is me who needs to prove my POV?

Why are your rambling about US intel? You need not a single bit (as in: unit of information) of info to explain why you regard the hijackers being identified or not an issue.

Kesha · 12th May 2010, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Bell

Go on with what?

If it's not your theory, then what is?

19 Arabs hijacked 4 planes.

Is this ok with you?

Bell · 12th May 2010, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Kesha

19 Arabs hijacked 4 planes.

Is this ok with you?

Yes. Yes it is.

Kesha · 12th May 2010, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Bell

Yes. Yes it is.

OK.

Where is your evidence?

Bell · 12th May 2010, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Kesha

OK.

Where is your evidence?

Evidence? How so?

beachnut · 12th May 2010, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Kesha

Cheers!

Please provide the original Passenger Manifest for each flight.

When this Airbus crashed in Africa today, this matter was solved within 2 hours.

Already done, over 8 years ago. This was solved over 8 years ago. Cheers yourself. ... did you build the beamer by yourself?

You seem to be lost on 911 issues. The OP refers to the fact truthers have to be so dirt dumb stupid to think the US government left clues only they could figure out. Not beamers, not who builds beamers but 911 truth is dirt dumb stupid.

The neat part of DNA they linked it to the terrorists; the terrorists left behind evidence in their rooms, cars, etc; DNA proves it was them, the dolts who killed themselves for UBL and to destroy the USA women and kids etc, we even have their names they used when they were here. Their families have not come forward to supply DNA to close the loop, but it is still them, and they be dead. Why do their families not come forward? Would you?

The manifests were known on 911. Good luck you ~~might~~ be 8 years behind.

Originally Posted by Kesha

There is a simple solution:
....
As far as I know, there is neither an evidence that these guys boarded AA77 and UA93, nor forensic evidence that they died in these planes. A lot of "John Doe" forensic claims, though.

If that`s too difficult, just provide serial numbers of parts of the related Boeings.
That ain`t rocket science Dude. Daily routine for an average attorney.

Regards,
Kesha

Looks like for you it is beyond your skills as an engineer to research the facts.
You are a 911 truther, only truthers bring up serial numbers as needed to identify what is proved to be 77 and 93. If you don't think 93 and 77 were identified please explain the RADAR data and prove it is wrong; you are about to claim you are an engineer, but you if you can't support your claims you are not much of an engineer. Engineers use evidence, 911 truth spews woo like you.

Originally Posted by Kesha

I am not in the "Truther Movement". I am an engineer. If you are driving a BMW or an AUDI, you`ll probably drive one of my products,

OK, back to topic.
As far as I know, none of the 19 individuals have been identified. The forensic evidence identified the remains as "John Doe".

Is this right or wrong?

Your products? lol, you can't figure out 911 but you claim to build cars.

Even wiki knows who the terrorist were.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks

Originally Posted by Kesha

Cheers!
Please provide the original Passenger Manifest for each flight.

When this Airbus crashed in Africa today, this matter was solved within 2 hours.

They are common knowledge, published all over. There were list of victims which the terrorists were not listed since they were not victims, they were murderers, guess being an engineer fogs comprehension and enables your delusions to remain.

beachnut · 12th May 2010, 04:31 PM

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/docs/Flight175.png
... even the guy looks like he eats meth and has insane 911 truth ideas has the flight manifest used in court.
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/docs/Flight77.png
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/docs/Flight77.png
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/docs/Flight11.png

If you have trouble finding the simple stuff you are lost. ... if you do a google search you will be swamped by lies, fraud, fantasy, and the same delusions you are implicating. You have to use your engineering degree to make rational conclusions and not repeat hearsay and lies.

The OP? Any comments on the OP instead of failing to take a stand on your lack of knowledge conclusions?

Kesha · 16th May 2010, 04:33 AM

Thanks to @ll for your contributions.

The conclusion, from an engineer`s point of view, is regrettably quite obvious.

No facts, no verifiable evidence, just hearsay and unproven claims.

Regards,
Kesha

NutCracker · 16th May 2010, 04:57 AM

Originally Posted by Kesha

Thanks to @ll for your contributions.

The conclusion, from an engineer`s point of view, is regrettably quite obvious.

No facts, no verifiable evidence, just hearsay and unproven claims.

Regards,
Kesha

Which pretty much sums up the position of the Truthers.

The evidence in favour of the "official story" is in the 9/11 commission report and NIST reports. This narrative is the general accepted. We therefore do not need to prove anything. It has already been done. You do not seem to to agree we this narrative. The onus is therefore on you to prove your alternative narrative. You have done nothing of the kind.

And.. contrary to what you claim: 1) You ARE a member of the TM. 2) You are NOT an engineer. You are as much an engineer as Bart Sibrel is a photographic expert.

T.A.M. · 16th May 2010, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by Kesha

Thanks to @ll for your contributions.

The conclusion, from an engineer`s point of view, is regrettably quite obvious.

No facts, no verifiable evidence, just hearsay and unproven claims.

Regards,
Kesha

You are not an engineer, you can't be. If you were, you would be smart enough to realize that the evidence you seem to think should be available on the internetz, does exist, but is in the hands of the investigators (the FBI etc...).

DNA evidence - with investigators
Plane Parts - with investigators.
thousands of photos not available to the gen. public - with investigators
Selections of WTC Steel - with investigators

And yes, you were wrong, they do have DNA evidence of the hijackers...once again, with investigators.

Simply because you do not have access to it (which a real engineer would be smart and logical enough to understand) does not mean it doesn't exist.

Seriously, do you really have an IQ over 110 and still believe that if you don't have hands on or "youtube" evidence, that it doesn't exist? really?

then again, designing cars has absolutely nothing to do with building structure or collapse. Still, I would expect more from someone with such an education...use your logic...use your brain.

TAM

TruthersLie · 16th May 2010, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by Kesha

There is a simple solution:

Prove your point of view.

As far as I know, there is neither an evidence that these guys boarded AA77 and UA93, nor forensic evidence that they died in these planes. A lot of "John Doe" forensic claims, though.

If that`s too difficult, just provide serial numbers of parts of the related Boeings.
That ain`t rocket science Dude. Daily routine for an average attorney.

Regards,
Kesha

I love ignorant truthers.

yes... all of the victims on the planes never boarded them. Even though we see folks going through security, loved ones saw their family members off at the check points, etc...

so all of the DNA is planted. Yup. Must be.

Ignorance and incredulity rock.

ETA: personally I think someone needs to wash their socks... but I could be wrong.... SSDD

A W Smith · 16th May 2010, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Kesha

Thanks to @ll for your contributions.

The conclusion, from an engineer`s point of view, is regrettably quite obvious.

argue from false authority much?

Quote:

No facts, no verifiable evidence, just hearsay and unproven claims.

Regards,
Kesha

here ya go sport

Sword_Of_Truth · 16th May 2010, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Kesha

OK.

Where is your evidence?

Right here:

Scientists are still trying. More than seven years later, the effort continues to identify the missing victims—and hijackers. Shaler and his successors have fulfilled at least part of their promise to the families. Through a combination of innovative DNA-mapping techniques, help from the FBI's crime lab and dumb luck, the scientists have now ID'd four of the 10 New York hijackers. The remains of the nine hijackers from the Pentagon and Pennsylvania crash sites have also been confirmed; six other hijackers have yet to be identified.

Skeptic · 17th May 2010, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

Truthers will never adopt that theory because it actually makes some sense.

Relatively speaking, that is.

grandmastershek · 17th May 2010, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Kesha

Thanks to @ll for your contributions.

The conclusion, from an engineer`s point of view, is regrettably quite obvious.

No facts, no verifiable evidence, just hearsay and unproven claims.

Regards,
Kesha

the engineering perspective is dismissing evidence out of hand? who knew?

Comsat Angel · 18th May 2010, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Kesha

I am not in the "Truther Movement". I am an engineer. If you are driving a BMW or an AUDI, you`ll probably drive one of my products,

OK, back to topic.
As far as I know, none of the 19 individuals have been identified. The forensic evidence identified the remains as "John Doe".

Is this right or wrong?

Translation from Twoofer:

"I am not in the "Truther Movement" = I am in the Truther Movement

"I am an engineer" = I am not an engineer.

"As far as I know -" = I don't know anything (but I believe a lot).

"Is this right or wrong?" - To quote another's sig, this isn't right - it isn't even wrong.

7th April 2010, 11:03 AM	#1
TK0001 Muse Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 595	New brilliant theory, free for truther consumption Alright, hear me out: Some truthers claim the DNA evidence of the victims of flight 77 is genuine, but since it had to be shipped to an off-site location, and there wasn't a camera following the evidence from the Pentagon to the lab, it really could have come from anywhere. At the same time, they believe the Shanksville site could have involved a plane, but that plane sure as hell wasn't flight 93. I think you're picking up what I'm laying down, but I'll go ahead and spell it out: The only possible conclusion is flight 77 crashed in Shanksville and flight 93 crashed into the Pentagon, and the government spent billions of dollars from their black budget to make it look like the opposite happened. I'll just assume your minds are sufficiently blown at this point. It all makes perfect sense. After donning the tinfoil truther Truth Enhancement Cranial Device, that is.
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7th April 2010, 12:59 PM	#3
TK0001 Muse Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 595	Originally Posted by sheeplesnshills Now we know why they refused to collect serial numbers! its all clear now. But wait didn't the plane fly OVER the pentagon? I'm sure P4T absolutely proved that somewhere.... The first flight flew over the Pentagon just after dropping the fake American Airlines "wreckage" all over the lawn.
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7th April 2010, 05:25 PM	#4
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 28,369	Truthers will never adopt that theory because it actually makes some sense.
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12th May 2010, 02:19 PM	#6
Kesha Student Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 32	Originally Posted by TK0001 Alright, hear me out: Some truthers claim the DNA evidence of the victims of flight 77 is genuine, but since it had to be shipped to an off-site location, and there wasn't a camera following the evidence from the Pentagon to the lab, it really could have come from anywhere. At the same time, they believe the Shanksville site could have involved a plane, but that plane sure as hell wasn't flight 93. I think you're picking up what I'm laying down, but I'll go ahead and spell it out: The only possible conclusion is flight 77 crashed in Shanksville and flight 93 crashed into the Pentagon, and the government spent billions of dollars from their black budget to make it look like the opposite happened. I'll just assume your minds are sufficiently blown at this point. It all makes perfect sense. After donning the tinfoil truther Truth Enhancement Cranial Device, that is. There is a simple solution: Prove your point of view. As far as I know, there is neither an evidence that these guys boarded AA77 and UA93, nor forensic evidence that they died in these planes. A lot of "John Doe" forensic claims, though. If that`s too difficult, just provide serial numbers of parts of the related Boeings. That ain`t rocket science Dude. Daily routine for an average attorney. Regards, Kesha
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12th May 2010, 02:28 PM	#7
Bell beautiful freak Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 20,478	Originally Posted by Kesha There is a simple solution: Prove your point of view. As far as I know, there is neither an evidence that these guys boarded AA77 and UA93, nor forensic evidence that they died in these planes. A lot of "John Doe" forensic claims, though. If that`s too difficult, just provide serial numbers of the related Boeings. That ain`t rocket science Dude. Daily routine for an average attorney. Regards, Kesha Here is a simple question: What DID happen and can you proof that? Regards, Bell
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7th April 2010, 12:47 PM	#2
sheeplesnshills Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,706	Now we know why they refused to collect serial numbers! its all clear now. But wait didn't the plane fly OVER the pentagon? I'm sure P4T absolutely proved that somewhere....

7th April 2010, 07:41 PM	#5
dropzone Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,666	Have a friend who was involved with one, or the other's two's DNA comparisons. I like her. I've respected her for decades. I am convinced that her results were fully-in-keeping with other claims. Sorry, they do not connect with those of random hockey players or curlers. They can call for later calls for drinks, but it ain't our call.

12th May 2010, 02:38 PM	#8
Kesha Student Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 32	Originally Posted by Bell Here is a simple question: What DID happen and can you proof that? Regards, Bell I don`t need to prove anything. The official story is what we are talking about. See my posting above. I won`t provide any alternative scenario, why should I ? Regards, Kesha
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12th May 2010, 02:39 PM	#9
carlitos "más divertido" Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 11,537	Because there isn't a plausible one that fits evidence and observed events?

12th May 2010, 02:42 PM	#10
switchpoint Thinker Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 142	Quote: As far as I know, there is neither an evidence that these guys boarded AA77 and UA93, nor forensic evidence that they died in these planes. A lot of "John Doe" forensic claims, though. If that`s too difficult, just provide serial numbers of the related Boeings. Sorry, the Federal Bureau of Investigation of the United States of America and the United States Army are not "John Doe". Ironically, the only "John Doe's" here are the small group of internet truthers who occasionally pop out of there holes to regurgitate the same disproven claptrap and let out a squeal of "new investigation". As to the numbers - why bother, there is absolutley no indication that anyone in the troofer movement is poised or ready to accept proof about anything except that which will constantly reinforce their conspiracy fanatsies.
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12th May 2010, 02:52 PM	#11
Kesha Student Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 32	Originally Posted by carlitos Because there isn't a plausible one that fits evidence and observed events? Which goes like?
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12th May 2010, 02:56 PM	#12
Bell beautiful freak Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 20,478	Originally Posted by Kesha I don`t need to prove anything. The official story is what we are talking about. See my posting above. I won`t provide any alternative scenario, why should I ? Regards, Kesha Okay fine, then don't provide any alternative scenario, what else is new? So you want to talk about the official story? Where's your PROOF that the official story is not true? Yes, you need to prove it is not true. Regards, Bell
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12th May 2010, 02:58 PM	#13
Kesha Student Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 32	Originally Posted by switchpoint Sorry, the Federal Bureau of Investigation of the United States of America and the United States Army are not "John Doe". Ironically, the only "John Doe's" here are the small group of internet truthers who occasionally pop out of there holes to regurgitate the same disproven claptrap and let out a squeal of "new investigation". As to the numbers - why bother, there is absolutley no indication that anyone in the troofer movement is poised or ready to accept proof about anything except that which will constantly reinforce their conspiracy fanatsies. I am not in the "Truther Movement". I am an engineer. If you are driving a BMW or an AUDI, you`ll probably drive one of my products, OK, back to topic. As far as I know, none of the 19 individuals have been identified. The forensic evidence identified the remains as "John Doe". Is this right or wrong?
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12th May 2010, 03:01 PM	#14
NutCracker Muse Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 601	Originally Posted by Kesha I am not in the "Truther Movement". I am an engineer. If you are driving a BMW or an AUDI, you`ll probably drive one of my products, OK, back to topic. As far as I know, none of the 19 individuals have been identified. The forensic evidence identified the remains as "John Doe". Is this right or wrong? If true, what would the significance be?
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12th May 2010, 03:03 PM	#15
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 19,905	Originally Posted by Kesha I don`t need to prove anything. The official story is what we are talking about. See my posting above. I won`t provide any alternative scenario, why should I ? Regards, Kesha You are right the official story is based on evidence and the dolts in 911 truth have failed for 8 years. 19 terrorists boarded four planes - evidence is solid and there is not a thing 911 truth can do to change history by claiming complete ignorance of evidence and failing to stand behind their idiotic claims and insane conclusions 911 truth can't state. 77 impacted the Pentagon, it is proved by evidence as is Flight 93 impacting in PA. Evidence ignored by 911 truth so they can have failed moronic delusions; 911 truth does not have to prove they have moronic delusions, 911 truth has no idea they have delusions due to lack of knowledge and willful ignorance of evidence. It takes a great deal of ignorance to not figure out 911. Flight 93 Passengers set the standard. After 8 years 911 truth has failed to do what Flight 93 Passengers did in minutes.

12th May 2010, 03:04 PM	#16
Kesha Student Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 32	Originally Posted by NutCracker If true, what would the significance be? IF?? Dude, we are talking about science, not feasibilities.
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12th May 2010, 03:05 PM	#17
switchpoint Thinker Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 142	Wrong.
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12th May 2010, 03:08 PM	#18
Kesha Student Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 32	Originally Posted by beachnut You are right the official story is based on evidence and the dolts in 911 truth have failed for 8 years. 19 terrorists boarded four planes - evidence is solid Cheers! Please provide the original Passenger Manifest for each flight. When this Airbus crashed in Africa today, this matter was solved within 2 hours.
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12th May 2010, 03:11 PM	#19
Kesha Student Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 32	Originally Posted by switchpoint Wrong. Talking about science, not feasibilities is wrong? No wonder GM went down the drain.
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12th May 2010, 03:13 PM	#20
Bell beautiful freak Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 20,478	Originally Posted by Kesha I am not in the "Truther Movement". I am an engineer. If you are driving a BMW or an AUDI, you`ll probably drive one of my products, OK, back to topic. As far as I know, none of the 19 individuals have been identified. The forensic evidence identified the remains as "John Doe". Is this right or wrong? Appeal to authority noted. So, there were persons on board the planes, besides the crew and regular passengers, that could not be identified? Jeez, wonder who they were?
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12th May 2010, 03:16 PM	#21
NutCracker Muse Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 601	Originally Posted by Kesha IF?? Dude, we are talking about science, not feasibilities. Who is talking about feasibilities? Not me. 'if A then B' is an expression in basic propositional logic, Is propositional logic not a part of science? Please discuss the consequences of your premise being true.
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12th May 2010, 03:18 PM	#22
Kesha Student Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 32	Originally Posted by Bell Appeal to authority noted. So, there were persons on board the planes, besides the crew and regular passengers, that could not be identified? Jeez, wonder who they were? Thats the result of the FBI on September 16th 2001. Go on. It`s not my theory.
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12th May 2010, 03:21 PM	#23
Kesha Student Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 32	Originally Posted by NutCracker Who is talking about feasibilities? Not me. 'if A then B' is an expression in basic propositional logic, Is propositional logic not a part of science? Please discuss the consequences of your premise being true. I don`t discuss anything based on "US" intelligence". Too much IRAQI WMDs. Just prove your point of view.
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12th May 2010, 03:22 PM	#24
Bell beautiful freak Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 20,478	Originally Posted by Kesha Thats the result of the FBI on September 16th 2001. Go on. It`s not my theory. Go on with what? If it's not your theory, then what is?
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12th May 2010, 03:27 PM	#25
NutCracker Muse Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 601	Originally Posted by Kesha I don`t discuss anything based on "US" intelligence". Too much IRAQI WMDs. Just prove your point of view. You seem to regard the hijackers being identified an issue. I ask you why. And it is me who needs to prove my POV? Why are your rambling about US intel? You need not a single bit (as in: unit of information) of info to explain why you regard the hijackers being identified or not an issue.
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12th May 2010, 03:27 PM	#26
Kesha Student Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 32	Originally Posted by Bell Go on with what? If it's not your theory, then what is? 19 Arabs hijacked 4 planes. Is this ok with you?
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12th May 2010, 03:31 PM	#27
Bell beautiful freak Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 20,478	Originally Posted by Kesha 19 Arabs hijacked 4 planes. Is this ok with you? Yes. Yes it is.
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12th May 2010, 03:36 PM	#28
Kesha Student Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 32	Originally Posted by Bell Yes. Yes it is. OK. Where is your evidence?
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12th May 2010, 03:38 PM	#29
Bell beautiful freak Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 20,478	Originally Posted by Kesha OK. Where is your evidence? Evidence? How so?
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12th May 2010, 03:43 PM	#30
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 19,905	Originally Posted by Kesha Cheers! Please provide the original Passenger Manifest for each flight. When this Airbus crashed in Africa today, this matter was solved within 2 hours. Already done, over 8 years ago. This was solved over 8 years ago. Cheers yourself. ... did you build the beamer by yourself? You seem to be lost on 911 issues. The OP refers to the fact truthers have to be so dirt dumb stupid to think the US government left clues only they could figure out. Not beamers, not who builds beamers but 911 truth is dirt dumb stupid. The neat part of DNA they linked it to the terrorists; the terrorists left behind evidence in their rooms, cars, etc; DNA proves it was them, the dolts who killed themselves for UBL and to destroy the USA women and kids etc, we even have their names they used when they were here. Their families have not come forward to supply DNA to close the loop, but it is still them, and they be dead. Why do their families not come forward? Would you? The manifests were known on 911. Good luck you ~~might~~ be 8 years behind. Originally Posted by Kesha There is a simple solution: .... As far as I know, there is neither an evidence that these guys boarded AA77 and UA93, nor forensic evidence that they died in these planes. A lot of "John Doe" forensic claims, though. If that`s too difficult, just provide serial numbers of parts of the related Boeings. That ain`t rocket science Dude. Daily routine for an average attorney. Regards, Kesha Looks like for you it is beyond your skills as an engineer to research the facts. You are a 911 truther, only truthers bring up serial numbers as needed to identify what is proved to be 77 and 93. If you don't think 93 and 77 were identified please explain the RADAR data and prove it is wrong; you are about to claim you are an engineer, but you if you can't support your claims you are not much of an engineer. Engineers use evidence, 911 truth spews woo like you. Originally Posted by Kesha I am not in the "Truther Movement". I am an engineer. If you are driving a BMW or an AUDI, you`ll probably drive one of my products, OK, back to topic. As far as I know, none of the 19 individuals have been identified. The forensic evidence identified the remains as "John Doe". Is this right or wrong? Your products? lol, you can't figure out 911 but you claim to build cars. Even wiki knows who the terrorist were. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks Originally Posted by Kesha Cheers! Please provide the original Passenger Manifest for each flight. When this Airbus crashed in Africa today, this matter was solved within 2 hours. They are common knowledge, published all over. There were list of victims which the terrorists were not listed since they were not victims, they were murderers, guess being an engineer fogs comprehension and enables your delusions to remain.
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12th May 2010, 04:31 PM	#31
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 19,905	http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/docs/Flight175.png ... even the guy looks like he eats meth and has insane 911 truth ideas has the flight manifest used in court. http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/docs/Flight77.png http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/docs/Flight77.png http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/docs/Flight11.png If you have trouble finding the simple stuff you are lost. ... if you do a google search you will be swamped by lies, fraud, fantasy, and the same delusions you are implicating. You have to use your engineering degree to make rational conclusions and not repeat hearsay and lies. The OP? Any comments on the OP instead of failing to take a stand on your lack of knowledge conclusions?
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16th May 2010, 04:33 AM	#32
Kesha Student Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 32	Thanks to @ll for your contributions. The conclusion, from an engineer`s point of view, is regrettably quite obvious. No facts, no verifiable evidence, just hearsay and unproven claims. Regards, Kesha
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16th May 2010, 04:57 AM	#33
NutCracker Muse Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 601	Originally Posted by Kesha Thanks to @ll for your contributions. The conclusion, from an engineer`s point of view, is regrettably quite obvious. No facts, no verifiable evidence, just hearsay and unproven claims. Regards, Kesha Which pretty much sums up the position of the Truthers. The evidence in favour of the "official story" is in the 9/11 commission report and NIST reports. This narrative is the general accepted. We therefore do not need to prove anything. It has already been done. You do not seem to to agree we this narrative. The onus is therefore on you to prove your alternative narrative. You have done nothing of the kind. And.. contrary to what you claim: 1) You ARE a member of the TM. 2) You are NOT an engineer. You are as much an engineer as Bart Sibrel is a photographic expert.
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16th May 2010, 06:25 AM	#34
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	Originally Posted by Kesha Thanks to @ll for your contributions. The conclusion, from an engineer`s point of view, is regrettably quite obvious. No facts, no verifiable evidence, just hearsay and unproven claims. Regards, Kesha You are not an engineer, you can't be. If you were, you would be smart enough to realize that the evidence you seem to think should be available on the internetz, does exist, but is in the hands of the investigators (the FBI etc...). DNA evidence - with investigators Plane Parts - with investigators. thousands of photos not available to the gen. public - with investigators Selections of WTC Steel - with investigators And yes, you were wrong, they do have DNA evidence of the hijackers...once again, with investigators. Simply because you do not have access to it (which a real engineer would be smart and logical enough to understand) does not mean it doesn't exist. Seriously, do you really have an IQ over 110 and still believe that if you don't have hands on or "youtube" evidence, that it doesn't exist? really? then again, designing cars has absolutely nothing to do with building structure or collapse. Still, I would expect more from someone with such an education...use your logic...use your brain. TAM

16th May 2010, 06:45 AM	#35
TruthersLie This space for rent. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates Posts: 3,720	Originally Posted by Kesha There is a simple solution: Prove your point of view. As far as I know, there is neither an evidence that these guys boarded AA77 and UA93, nor forensic evidence that they died in these planes. A lot of "John Doe" forensic claims, though. If that`s too difficult, just provide serial numbers of parts of the related Boeings. That ain`t rocket science Dude. Daily routine for an average attorney. Regards, Kesha I love ignorant truthers. yes... all of the victims on the planes never boarded them. Even though we see folks going through security, loved ones saw their family members off at the check points, etc... so all of the DNA is planted. Yup. Must be. Ignorance and incredulity rock. ETA: personally I think someone needs to wash their socks... but I could be wrong.... SSDD
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