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MattusMaximus · 13th April 2010, 08:25 PM

Oh the irony...

http://ncse.com/news/2010/04/evangel...olution-005432

Quote:

A noted evangelical Old Testament scholar resigned from his faculty position at a seminary in the wake of a controversy over his public acceptance of evolution. On March 24, 2010, a video featuring Bruce Waltke, Professor of Old Testament at Reformed Theological Seminary, was posted on the website of the BioLogos Foundation. (Founded by Francis Collins, the BioLogos Foundation "explores, promotes, and celebrates the integration of science and Christian faith.") Entitled "Why Must the Church Come to Accept Evolution?" the video discussed "the danger that the Church will face if it does not engage with the world around it, in particular by acknowledging the overwhelming amount of data in support of biological evolution, which many evangelicals still reject."

The hypocrisy is so thick you could cut it with a knife

Beanbag · 13th April 2010, 08:41 PM

Why are you surprised? This is religion we're talking about. Logic has nothing to do with it. Evidence has nothing to do with it. If it's in the bible, then it's true. No amount of evidence will make them change.

Beanbag
(who's actually met several people who believed that if English was good enough for Jesus Christ, then there's no need for them to learn any other language)

Meadmaker · 13th April 2010, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

Oh the irony...

http://ncse.com/news/2010/04/evangel...olution-005432

The hypocrisy is so thick you could cut it with a knife

What's hypocritical or ironic about it?

Stupid, yes, but consistent. What did I miss?

Zep · 13th April 2010, 08:54 PM

He went over to the Dark Side... So what else do you think any Jedi warriors would do? They would try to use The Force^TM to launch a massive, loud, sparkly counter-attack.

*cue Attack The Death-star music*

Cavemonster · 13th April 2010, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

What's hypocritical or ironic about it?

Stupid, yes, but consistent. What did I miss?

It's a reference to the Ben Stein movie, Expelled, much embraced by enemies of logic and science. A big part of the film was the assertion that the evil liberal elite try to silence the brave, truth-seeking ID proponents by forcing them out of academic positions for their views (even though he doesn't support this assertion very well at all)

Alan · 13th April 2010, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

What's hypocritical or ironic about it?

Stupid, yes, but consistent. What did I miss?

I think it's because there was that Expelled polemic.

EDIT: I like this silver medal.

154 · 13th April 2010, 08:58 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGCxbhGaVfE

Skeptic Ginger · 13th April 2010, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by Beanbag

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Beanbag
(who's actually met several people who believed that if English was good enough for Jesus Christ, then there's no need for them to learn any other language)

Skeptic Ginger · 13th April 2010, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

What's hypocritical or ironic about it?

Stupid, yes, but consistent. What did I miss?

The movie, "Expelled".

I see this is a redundant post X 4.

Meadmaker · 13th April 2010, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by Cavemonster

It's a reference to the Ben Stein movie, Expelled, much embraced by enemies of logic and science. A big part of the film was the assertion that the evil liberal elite try to silence the brave, truth-seeking ID proponents by forcing them out of academic positions for their views (even though he doesn't support this assertion very well at all)

Got it. Now I understand.

MattusMaximus · 14th April 2010, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by 154

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGCxbhGaVfE

Ah, a link to the "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" trailer. Agreed, there was no intelligence allowed in that movie

So 154, exactly why did you post that link?

MattusMaximus · 14th April 2010, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Cavemonster

It's a reference to the Ben Stein movie, Expelled, much embraced by enemies of logic and science. A big part of the film was the assertion that the evil liberal elite try to silence the brave, truth-seeking ID proponents by forcing them out of academic positions for their views (even though he doesn't support this assertion very well at all)

I love how they (these creationist boobs) play the victim card with the huge "Expelled" propoganda campaign, and then they turn around and blatantly take part in the very kind of discrimination they were once decrying - kicking out an evangelical scholar for publicly accepting evolution even after his institution says it "welcomes all views." It's almost as if, in their twisted worldview, that they believe everyone thinks like them - so the ends justify the means. How moral is that?

What a crock of ****

Kthulhut Fhtagn · 14th April 2010, 03:39 PM

Deleted: Whoops! That'll teach me to read the rest of the thread first.

Lucian · 14th April 2010, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Beanbag

Why are you surprised? This is religion we're talking about. Logic has nothing to do with it. Evidence has nothing to do with it. If it's in the bible, then it's true. No amount of evidence will make them change.

Beanbag
(who's actually met several people who believed that if English was good enough for Jesus Christ, then there's no need for them to learn any other language)

From the original Bedazzled:

Stanley: What colour is God?
The Devil (Mr Spiggot): Oh, he's all the colours of the rainbow, many hued.
Stanley: But he is English, isn't he?
The Devil: Oh yes, very upper class.

Dave Rogers · 15th April 2010, 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

I love how they (these creationist boobs) play the victim card with the huge "Expelled" propoganda campaign, and then they turn around and blatantly take part in the very kind of discrimination they were once decrying - kicking out an evangelical scholar for publicly accepting evolution even after his institution says it "welcomes all views." It's almost as if, in their twisted worldview, that they believe everyone thinks like them - so the ends justify the means.

This seems a general property of woo merchants; they justify their own immoral behaviour by fantasising that it exists in others, and then citing it as the provocation for their own. If you abandon critical self-examination, any behaviour can be rationalised simply by making up the evidence required.

Dave

13th April 2010, 08:25 PM	#1
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,204	Evangelical Scholar Accepts Evolution and is "Expelled" Oh the irony... http://ncse.com/news/2010/04/evangel...olution-005432 Quote: A noted evangelical Old Testament scholar resigned from his faculty position at a seminary in the wake of a controversy over his public acceptance of evolution. On March 24, 2010, a video featuring Bruce Waltke, Professor of Old Testament at Reformed Theological Seminary, was posted on the website of the BioLogos Foundation. (Founded by Francis Collins, the BioLogos Foundation "explores, promotes, and celebrates the integration of science and Christian faith.") Entitled "Why Must the Church Come to Accept Evolution?" the video discussed "the danger that the Church will face if it does not engage with the world around it, in particular by acknowledging the overwhelming amount of data in support of biological evolution, which many evangelicals still reject." The hypocrisy is so thick you could cut it with a knife
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13th April 2010, 08:41 PM	#2
Beanbag Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dallas/Fort Worth Posts: 2,709	Why are you surprised? This is *religion* we're talking about. Logic has nothing to do with it. Evidence has nothing to do with it. If it's in the bible, then it's true. No amount of evidence will make them change. Beanbag (who's actually met several people who believed that if English was good enough for Jesus Christ, then there's no need for them to learn any other language)
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13th April 2010, 08:46 PM	#3
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Detroit suburbs Posts: 11,466	Originally Posted by MattusMaximus Oh the irony... http://ncse.com/news/2010/04/evangel...olution-005432 The hypocrisy is so thick you could cut it with a knife What's hypocritical or ironic about it? Stupid, yes, but consistent. What did I miss?
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13th April 2010, 08:54 PM	#4
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	He went over to the Dark Side... So what else do you think any Jedi warriors would do? They would try to use The Force^TM to launch a massive, loud, sparkly counter-attack. cue Attack The Death-star music
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13th April 2010, 08:55 PM	#5
Cavemonster Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,916	Originally Posted by Meadmaker What's hypocritical or ironic about it? Stupid, yes, but consistent. What did I miss? It's a reference to the Ben Stein movie, Expelled, much embraced by enemies of logic and science. A big part of the film was the assertion that the evil liberal elite try to silence the brave, truth-seeking ID proponents by forcing them out of academic positions for their views (even though he doesn't support this assertion very well at all)
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13th April 2010, 08:56 PM	#6
Alan Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,658	Originally Posted by Meadmaker What's hypocritical or ironic about it? Stupid, yes, but consistent. What did I miss? I think it's because there was that Expelled polemic. EDIT: I like this silver medal.

13th April 2010, 08:58 PM	#7
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13th April 2010, 09:32 PM	#9
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shifting through paradigms Posts: 40,799	Originally Posted by Meadmaker What's hypocritical or ironic about it? Stupid, yes, but consistent. What did I miss? The movie, "Expelled". I see this is a redundant post X 4.
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13th April 2010, 10:04 PM	#10
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Detroit suburbs Posts: 11,466	Originally Posted by Cavemonster It's a reference to the Ben Stein movie, Expelled, much embraced by enemies of logic and science. A big part of the film was the assertion that the evil liberal elite try to silence the brave, truth-seeking ID proponents by forcing them out of academic positions for their views (even though he doesn't support this assertion very well at all) Got it. Now I understand.
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14th April 2010, 09:31 AM	#11
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,204	Originally Posted by 154 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGCxbhGaVfE Ah, a link to the "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" trailer. Agreed, there was no intelligence allowed in that movie So 154, exactly why did you post that link?
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14th April 2010, 09:35 AM	#12
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,204	Originally Posted by Cavemonster It's a reference to the Ben Stein movie, Expelled, much embraced by enemies of logic and science. A big part of the film was the assertion that the evil liberal elite try to silence the brave, truth-seeking ID proponents by forcing them out of academic positions for their views (even though he doesn't support this assertion very well at all) I love how they (these creationist boobs) play the victim card with the huge "Expelled" propoganda campaign, and then they turn around and blatantly take part in the very kind of discrimination they were once decrying - kicking out an evangelical scholar for publicly accepting evolution even after his institution says it "welcomes all views." It's almost as if, in their twisted worldview, that they believe everyone thinks like them - so the ends justify the means. How moral is that? What a crock of ****
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14th April 2010, 03:39 PM	#13
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14th April 2010, 08:02 PM	#14
Lucian Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,571	Originally Posted by Beanbag Why are you surprised? This is *religion* we're talking about. Logic has nothing to do with it. Evidence has nothing to do with it. If it's in the bible, then it's true. No amount of evidence will make them change. Beanbag (who's actually met several people who believed that if English was good enough for Jesus Christ, then there's no need for them to learn any other language) From the original Bedazzled: Stanley: What colour is God? The Devil (Mr Spiggot): Oh, he's all the colours of the rainbow, many hued. Stanley: But he is English, isn't he? The Devil: Oh yes, very upper class.
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15th April 2010, 02:04 AM	#15
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In a world lit only by fire. Posts: 17,907	Originally Posted by MattusMaximus I love how they (these creationist boobs) play the victim card with the huge "Expelled" propoganda campaign, and then they turn around and blatantly take part in the very kind of discrimination they were once decrying - kicking out an evangelical scholar for publicly accepting evolution even after his institution says it "welcomes all views." It's almost as if, in their twisted worldview, that they believe everyone thinks like them - so the ends justify the means. This seems a general property of woo merchants; they justify their own immoral behaviour by fantasising that it exists in others, and then citing it as the provocation for their own. If you abandon critical self-examination, any behaviour can be rationalised simply by making up the evidence required. Dave
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