What God left out of the Bible - Page 2

Radrook · 21st April 2010, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Brainache

So "Children of Israel" doesn't refer to a particular nationality?

Yes it refers to a particular nation called Israel.

RussDill · 21st April 2010, 05:32 PM

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Radrook · 21st April 2010, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Brainache

Is that you conceding a point?

This point: The fact that the bible treats people who aren't "Children of Israel" as less than fully human...

Israel itself was required to behave itself or it would be treated the same way. So the treatment wasn't based merely on nationality. Also, our criteria of what it means to be fully human might not quite jive with how the Biblical God views it.

Brainache · 21st April 2010, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Radrook

Israel itself was required to behave itself or it would be treated the same way. So the treatment wasn't based merely on nationality. Also, our criteria of what it means to be fully human might not quite jive with how the Biblical God views it.

OK.

My original point was something that God left out of the bible, ie:

Quote:

So we can add the idea that foreigners are just as human as us, to the list of things that God left out of the bible.

When I said foreigners I was of course in this context referring to anyone who wasn't a "Child of Israel".

The point I am making is that the idea that one race or tribe is somehow superior to all the other races and/or tribes of people on Earth is morally repugnant. The God who inspired the biblical authors didn't seem to have any qualms about racism, in fact he and his followers were supposed to glory in it.

How could anyone in the 21st century find this so-called God worthy of worship and adoration?

Radrook · 22nd April 2010, 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by Brainache

OK.

My original point was something that God left out of the bible, ie:

When I said foreigners I was of course in this context referring to anyone who wasn't a "Child of Israel".

The point I am making is that the idea that one race or tribe is somehow superior to all the other races and/or tribes of people on Earth is morally repugnant. The God who inspired the biblical authors didn't seem to have any qualms about racism, in fact he and his followers were supposed to glory in it.

How could anyone in the 21st century find this so-called God worthy of worship and adoration?

Here are just a few things that those people were doing:

1. Sacrificing their childfren as burnt offerings alive.
2. Having sex with animals.
3. Practicing witchcraft
4. Committing incest--father daughter-son mother etcetera.

Based on that behavior the were found unworthy of occupying that land--were told to vacate.
Some did but others chose to stand and fight and had to be forcefully evicted. When Israel copied their behavior they were evicted as well--TWICE. So is it really based on racism? Or is it the behavior which the biblical God is said to be targetting? Seems like the latter to me.

http://www.theology.edu/canaan.htm

BTW
The Bible doesn't teach that God's choosing of Israel was based on any particular superiority that they had over the rest of mankind. It teaches that they were chosen based on the promise made to Abraham. In fact, they are repeatedly referred to as a stiff-necked people who God found hard to deal with due to their tendency to not pay attention and rebel.

Quote:

And the Lord said to Moses, "I have seen this people, and behold, it is a stiff-necked people; now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may burn hot against them and I may consume them [Exod. 32: 9-10].

21st April 2010, 05:29 PM	#41
Radrook Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,834	Originally Posted by Brainache So "Children of Israel" doesn't refer to a particular nationality? Yes it refers to a particular nation called Israel.
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21st April 2010, 05:32 PM	#42
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21st April 2010, 05:32 PM	#43
Radrook Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,834	Originally Posted by Brainache Is that you conceding a point? This point: The fact that the bible treats people who aren't "Children of Israel" as less than fully human... Israel itself was required to behave itself or it would be treated the same way. So the treatment wasn't based merely on nationality. Also, our criteria of what it means to be fully human might not quite jive with how the Biblical God views it.
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22nd April 2010, 02:35 AM	#45
Radrook Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,834	Originally Posted by Brainache OK. My original point was something that God left out of the bible, ie: When I said foreigners I was of course in this context referring to anyone who wasn't a "Child of Israel". The point I am making is that the idea that one race or tribe is somehow superior to all the other races and/or tribes of people on Earth is morally repugnant. The God who inspired the biblical authors didn't seem to have any qualms about racism, in fact he and his followers were supposed to glory in it. How could anyone in the 21st century find this so-called God worthy of worship and adoration? Here are just a few things that those people were doing: 1. Sacrificing their childfren as burnt offerings alive. 2. Having sex with animals. 3. Practicing witchcraft 4. Committing incest--father daughter-son mother etcetera. Based on that behavior the were found unworthy of occupying that land--were told to vacate. Some did but others chose to stand and fight and had to be forcefully evicted. When Israel copied their behavior they were evicted as well--TWICE. So is it really based on racism? Or is it the behavior which the biblical God is said to be targetting? Seems like the latter to me. http://www.theology.edu/canaan.htm BTW The Bible doesn't teach that God's choosing of Israel was based on any particular superiority that they had over the rest of mankind. It teaches that they were chosen based on the promise made to Abraham. In fact, they are repeatedly referred to as a stiff-necked people who God found hard to deal with due to their tendency to not pay attention and rebel. Quote: And the Lord said to Moses, "I have seen this people, and behold, it is a stiff-necked people; now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may burn hot against them and I may consume them [Exod. 32: 9-10].
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21st April 2010, 06:37 PM	#44
Brainache Nasty Brutish and Tall Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Knob Hill. Posts: 9,079	Originally Posted by Radrook Israel itself was required to behave itself or it would be treated the same way. So the treatment wasn't based merely on nationality. Also, our criteria of what it means to be fully human might not quite jive with how the Biblical God views it. OK. My original point was something that God left out of the bible, ie: Quote: So we can add the idea that foreigners are just as human as us, to the list of things that God left out of the bible. When I said foreigners I was of course in this context referring to anyone who wasn't a "Child of Israel". The point I am making is that the idea that one race or tribe is somehow superior to all the other races and/or tribes of people on Earth is morally repugnant. The God who inspired the biblical authors didn't seem to have any qualms about racism, in fact he and his followers were supposed to glory in it. How could anyone in the 21st century find this so-called God worthy of worship and adoration?