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Undesired Walrus · 24th April 2010, 12:17 PM

The other thread on Blaine got me thinking: Did Blaine actually spend 44 days in the box in London without food, just water? I went to see him towards the end, and there is no doubt that he looked dreadful, and clearly incredibly thin. With that said, my observation isn't enough, and it seems most skeptics here seem to think he faked it.

I only doubt that he faked it due to the time he spend in hospital after. Presumably, in order to keep this conspiracy alive, the doctors would all have to be in on it, and I would have thought something would have leaked by now.

Trent Wray · 24th April 2010, 12:30 PM

I don't honestly care if Blaine did it or not, but it appears possible (but not without medical complications obviously) (and I obviously can't verify the following beyond the googled link provided):

Quote:

Medical Doctors Commonly cite 4 to 6 weeks without food
10 Political Prisoners in Ireland Lived 46 to 73 days before succumbing to lack of food
12 individual starvation protestors Two lost tongues, 1 lost feet, 7 on kidney dialysis
Many war prisoners Lived 28 to 40 days with no food
World War II concentration camps With only 300 to 600 calories per day, many thousands did not have enough food to survive more than a few months at best.
Terminally Ill patients Live 10-days to 3-weeks without food depending upon initial heath
Obese Can live from 3-weeks up to 25-weeks and more without food depending upon initial health and amount of fat
Mahatma Gandhi
Survived a 3-week fast while in his 70's

25 weeks of living on fat supply!

Marduk · 24th April 2010, 12:57 PM

44 days is nothing

Elaine Esposito went without food for 37 years 111 days
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_Esposito

pretty obvious how Blaine cheated isnt it ?
His box had what his promoters call "a water supply"

Elaine Esposito also survived on liquids, though her promoters weren't claiming it was water

Undesired Walrus · 24th April 2010, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Marduk

pretty obvious how Blaine cheated isnt it ?
His box had what his promoters call "a water supply"

But did he reveal this to his doctors at the hospital? Where they in on it?

Trent Wray · 24th April 2010, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Marduk

44 days is nothing

Elaine Esposito went without food for 37 years 111 days
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_Esposito

pretty obvious how Blaine cheated isnt it ?
His box had what his promoters call "a water supply"

Elaine Esposito also survived on liquids, though her promoters weren't claiming it was water

She was under medical care with a PEG or NG tube I presume? That's not quite the same as going without nutrition completely.

And just for "fun" .... I went 9 days with no food or water after only a couple of attempts at preparing for it. I worked in the Texas summer sun, without even a drop of water touching my lips outside of my own sweat (calm down Marduk

) .... and suffered essentially no ill effects.

Regardless of whether or not Blaine actually did it or not, I don't see it as being that big of a deal. I think in general he's efficient at misdirection and fooling the public overall with his TV show settups. They're getting kind of old hat though. And resorting to stuff like this isn't that impressive. But I suppose if he still wants to separate himself from the magicians who "pass through the Great Wall of China" and make elephants disappear and all that crap, he's got to think of more sage/mystic type stunts to pull off. Now, if he would have tried to go three months without food or water, now we're talking

Marduk · 24th April 2010, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

But did he reveal this to his doctors at the hospital? Where they in on it?

Why would he need to tell them he had been utilising a nutrient rich water supply for the last month and a half ?

He could have just told them he hadn't eaten anything and he wouldn't have been lying

Undesired Walrus · 24th April 2010, 01:41 PM

They surely would have figured it out.

Gate2501 · 24th April 2010, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Trent Wray

And just for "fun" .... I went 9 days with no food or water after only a couple of attempts at preparing for it. I worked in the Texas summer sun, without even a drop of water touching my lips outside of my own sweat (calm down Marduk

) .... and suffered essentially no ill effects.

Are you being sarcastic somehow or quoting someone else here?

You would die under this scenario.

Professor Yaffle · 24th April 2010, 02:05 PM

The doctors would presumably not be able to comment due to medical confidentiality?

Trent Wray · 24th April 2010, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Gate2501

Are you being sarcastic somehow or quoting someone else here?

You would die under this scenario.

No I really did this. And I'm still alive ... although if I'm not, that would explain a lot

Marduk · 24th April 2010, 02:40 PM

ok so then its boils down to this

Is David Blaine a :-

1. latter day american shaman with mystical powers
2. A big twat

I know which way I'm voting

Doubt · 24th April 2010, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Marduk

ok so then its boils down to this

Is David Blaine a :-

1. latter day american shaman with mystical powers
2. A big twat

I know which way I'm voting

Just to be clear, those are not mutually exclusive options. But I am going with #2. Yes, I think of David Blaine when I think of #2.

Gate2501 · 24th April 2010, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Trent Wray

No I really did this. And I'm still alive ... although if I'm not, that would explain a lot

I really can't believe you went 9 days without water in any scenario, yet you claimed to have been working out in the sun as well. Are you not counting stuff which contains water as water? Like: "I didn't drink water for 9 days but I sure did drink a lot of orange juice!"

Not trying to be a ball-buster, I have read repeatedly that the average a human will last(not die) without water is 5 days in ideal conditions.

Trent Wray · 24th April 2010, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Marduk

ok so then its boils down to this

Is David Blaine a :-

1. latter day american shaman with mystical powers
2. A big twat

I know which way I'm voting

Come on, you at least have to give the guy some street cred props. Most people who go to a magic show KNOW they are going to see tricks. But he is able to freak people out and have them walking away thinking he's got some real powers. Your nemesis, Van Daniken, can only point to some lines in a desert and ancient molded toy birds. But Blaine walks up to people and makes them piss in their pants .... or at the very least, he's able to stage it all on TV to have certain viewers talking about him on Sunday mornings.

I'd say he's a successful twat

Trent Wray · 24th April 2010, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Gate2501

I really can't believe you went 9 days without water in any scenario, yet you claimed to have been working out in the sun as well. Are you not counting stuff which contains water as water? Like: "I didn't drink water for 9 days but I sure did drink a lot of orange juice!"

Not trying to be a ball-buster, I have read repeatedly that the average a human will last(not die) without water is 5 days in ideal conditions.

No worries dude

Not a single drop touched my mouth ... and to make sure, I didn't even brush my teeth (I know, that was ******* gross).

At the end of it, I was CRAVING fruit. Plums, watermelon, and strawberries to be exact. And the moment I started downing some of that fruit, my upper palate was very sensitive and almost painful. My throat hurt a bit as well. And after eating just a few bites of the fruit I was literally craving, I was sickened by it and didn't want to touch anymore. IIRC, I had some milk off and on throughout the rest of the day and by the end of the night I was eating solid stuff again. I can't remember how long the upper palate discomfort and sore throat lasted though .... this was like 12 years ago!

I probably fasted like four or five times before that, but only for a couple of days at a time. Nothing major.

But seriously, you don't have to believe it. No worries

. I could be making it up for all you know, so it's all good

jiggeryqua · 24th April 2010, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Trent Wray

Now, if he would have tried to go three months without ~~food or water~~ publicity, now we're talking

Now we're talking.

There's a satirical news show on BBC radio 4 which habitually refers to Blaine as "the Git Wizard". Alas, it seems not to have gained wider currency. I suspect 'git' is not easily translated into American.

Sledge · 24th April 2010, 03:03 PM

Wasn't this the stunt that united the British public in their disdain for the prat? I seem to recall people hitting golf balls at the box.

barrymore · 24th April 2010, 03:08 PM

Why all the hate for David Blaine? Maybe he is an attention whore, but as far as I know he does not do anything unsavory.

Professor Yaffle · 24th April 2010, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Sledge

Wasn't this the stunt that united the British public in their disdain for the prat? I seem to recall people hitting golf balls at the box.

I remember them throwing burgers at him.

Gate2501 · 24th April 2010, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Professor Yaffle

I remember them throwing burgers at him.

lol... I remember this as well. I also recall that people were grilling delicious foods downwind of him in an attempt to make him miserable.

Marduk · 24th April 2010, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Trent Wray

Come on, you at least have to give the guy some street cred props. Most people who go to a magic show KNOW they are going to see tricks. But he is able to freak people out and have them walking away thinking he's got some real powers. Your nemesis, Van Daniken, can only point to some lines in a desert and ancient molded toy birds. But Blaine walks up to people and makes them piss in their pants .... or at the very least, he's able to stage it all on TV to have certain viewers talking about him on Sunday mornings.

I'd say he's a successful twat

My Nemesis is not Van Daniken (whoever he is), its the Grand Negus Zechariah Sitchin

jiggeryqua · 24th April 2010, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by barrymore

Why all the hate for David Blaine? Maybe he is an attention whore, but as far as I know he does not do anything unsavory.

For the English, generally speaking, being an attention whore is unsavoury. Certainly, if you're going to occupy a prime spot in the capital to say 'look at me, look at me!' you'd better have something a damn sight better than the Git Wizard's 'look at me! I'm sitting in a box, pretending not to eat, because I'm better than you at being alive. Keep looking at me! I'll be here for days, spinning out the same uninteresting illusion'.

Monketey Ghost · 24th April 2010, 04:14 PM

I can't stand the guy for his keep-looking-at-me schtick.

Yes, yes, I get it, you love yourself.

barrymore · 24th April 2010, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by jiggeryqua

For the English, generally speaking, being an attention whore is unsavoury.

Non-sense. We value attention whores and untalented celebrities to the highest degree in the English-speaking world. See: Paris Hilton for the US, and Katie Price for the UK.

bluesjnr · 24th April 2010, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Trent Wray

And just for "fun" .... I went 9 days with no food or water after only a couple of attempts at preparing for it. I worked in the Texas summer sun, without even a drop of water touching my lips outside of my own sweat (calm down Marduk

) .... and suffered essentially no ill effects.

Tsukasa Buddha · 24th April 2010, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Trent Wray

Come on, you at least have to give the guy some street cred props. Most people who go to a magic show KNOW they are going to see tricks. But he is able to freak people out and have them walking away thinking he's got some real powers. Your nemesis, Van Daniken, can only point to some lines in a desert and ancient molded toy birds. But Blaine walks up to people and makes them piss in their pants .... or at the very least, he's able to stage it all on TV to have certain viewers talking about him on Sunday mornings.

I'd say he's a successful twat

That's not talent, it is being a wanker. He tries to pass off kids magic tricks as beings miracles because he doesn't say they are tricks. The whole "illusion" centers on his dishonesty. Oh, but I'm sure he never stated they weren't magic tricks

.

And his stunts are worse. He gives big wooey speeches and then does something that could involve trickery or could be real, but in the end, he is just an attention whore.

I think it is best stated by his stunts all involving his inactivity

.

And don't get me started on the camera hackery he employs.

Sledge · 24th April 2010, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by barrymore

Non-sense. We value attention whores and untalented celebrities to the highest degree in the English-speaking world. See: Paris Hilton for the US, and Katie Price for the UK.

I fail to see why paying attention to a woman with massive norks is a bad thing.

Monketey Ghost · 24th April 2010, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by bluesjnr

He may have done it.

But there are a few survival-type shows that'd be interested in talking to him!

jiggeryqua · 24th April 2010, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by barrymore

Non-sense. We value attention whores and untalented celebrities to the highest degree in the English-speaking world. See: Paris Hilton for the US, and Katie Price for the UK.

Ah, so the Git Wizard's problem was that he wasn't enough of an attention whore? Nonsense. Again, generally speaking, the English (I make no mention of the US...and you make no mention of the Australians, or New Zealanders...) are not appreciative of attention whores.

Katie Price hardly receives universal acclaim in the UK - quite the opposite. She is beloved by some tabloids (who require attention whores to pad out the news). She used to have a sizeable fanbase among adolescent males, though I don't believe she's retained it - but when your 'look at me!' is 'look at me, I've got me massive baps out!', that's one sector of the population whose attention you can pretty much guarantee.

She still has some support among misguided/untalented 'feminists', who think she represents what women with little to offer the world but their breasts can achieve, but even that has been slipping away in light of her messy failed relationship with Peter Andre (whose appeal is inexplicable, but never mind) and her shamelessly manipulative relationship with Alex Reid.

Trent Wray · 24th April 2010, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Marduk

My Nemesis is not Van Daniken (whoever he is), its the Grand Negus Zechariah Sitchin

von von von

Hmm .... Sitchin. Yes yes of course. And I'd think that Icke is something like a boy scout wannabe

Originally Posted by jiggeryqua

For the English, generally speaking, being an attention whore is unsavoury. Certainly, if you're going to occupy a prime spot in the capital to say 'look at me, look at me!' you'd better have something a damn sight better than the Git Wizard's 'look at me! I'm sitting in a box, pretending not to eat, because I'm better than you at being alive. Keep looking at me! I'll be here for days, spinning out the same uninteresting illusion'.

This sounds vaguely familiar ...

Originally Posted by bluesjnr

Mock on, you food eating naysayers !!! I also smoked cigarettes as a baby, and quite fondly.

Originally Posted by Monkey Ghost

He may have done it.

But there are a few survival-type shows that'd be interested in talking to him!

If it's an office job, I'm in.

Monketey Ghost · 24th April 2010, 06:16 PM

Dude, you gotta. What you claim is significantly more than what I think the US Marines claim is doable.

chainlink · 24th April 2010, 06:19 PM

David Blaine is a fraud and a liar. A magician performing tricks who passes himself off as a record-setting stuntman. (He was recognized by the Guinness World Records as the longest underwater breath-hold - amazingly no one noticed he cheated)

David Blaine's numerous frauds have been exposed. I don't know if I'm allowed to reveal his [alleged] trickery methods here, so I'll just say "google it". (I have nothing against 'honest' magicians, but I think that liars like Blaine should be exposed and their deceptions made public)

Trent Wray · 24th April 2010, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Monkey Ghost

Dude, you gotta. What you claim is significantly more than what I think the US Marines claim is doable.

Only if people will throw hamburgers at me. But no hot dogs. I don't do tubesteak.

Trent Wray · 24th April 2010, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by chainlink

David Blaine is a fraud and a liar. A magician performing tricks who passes himself off as a record-setting stuntman. (He was recognized by the Guinness World Records as the longest underwater breath-hold - amazingly no one noticed he cheated)

David Blaine's numerous frauds have been exposed. I don't know if I'm allowed to reveal his [alleged] trickery methods here, so I'll just say "google it". (I have nothing against 'honest' magicians, but I think that liars like Blaine should be exposed and their deceptions made public)

It's actually an interesting concept. You have people who make no claims that they are performing anything other than illusions and tricks and sleight of hand, while someone like Blaine tries to maintain a "just what if he's real?" persona to boost his "mystique."

But is he more dangerous than someone like SB, equally as fraudulent, or less of a threat?

Monketey Ghost · 24th April 2010, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Trent Wray

Only if people will throw hamburgers at me. But no hot dogs. I don't do tubesteak.

If we're talking about the picnic/ballpark treat... and not the other kind...

it's all in the mustard. Red Pelican and no alternative.

Trent Wray · 24th April 2010, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Monkey Ghost

If we're talking about the picnic/ballpark treat... and not the other kind...

it's all in the mustard. Red Pelican and no alternative.

I'm talking about both kinds.

Chuck Norris doesn't do it ..... I won't dare do it.

Loss Leader · 24th April 2010, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by chainlink

David Blaine's numerous frauds have been exposed. I don't know if I'm allowed to reveal his [alleged] trickery methods here, so I'll just say "google it". (I have nothing against 'honest' magicians, but I think that liars like Blaine should be exposed and their deceptions made public)

Blaine is a magician. If success is measured in getting people to believe they saw something magical, he's a very good one. If he says he can do something amazing, I think it's fair to believe that it is in some way a trick. It would be up to him to open his methods up to public scrutiny, which he has never done. Like all magicians, he carefully controls what the public sees while giving the impression that they are seeing much more than they are.

The methodologis behind at least two of his big stunts are well known. Being burried alive was turned into a Law & Order plotline, accurately giving away the biggest secret of the trick. That one and being frozen in a block of ice were both covered in Magic's Secrets Finally Revealed.

Needless to say, all illusions, when explained, become nothing more than cheap tricks.

barrymore · 24th April 2010, 07:13 PM

I still do not understand the beef with Blaine. Does anybody actually hold him as anything other than a magician and a trickster? I have never once met or heard of someone actually believing he has "special powers". He & Criss Angel are one in the same, and here in the US, they are both regarded as magicians and tricksters. I am not a follower of either, but both apparently are talented entertainers. No more, no less.

Now a card trick is certainly different than surviving in a box for several weeks in terms of audience reaction, but no one takes him seriously enough to think he is superhuman. It's just entertainment--I do not think people really care whether it is "real" or not.

chainlink · 24th April 2010, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Trent Wray

It's actually an interesting concept. You have people who make no claims that they are performing anything other than illusions and tricks and sleight of hand, while someone like Blaine tries to maintain a "just what if he's real?" persona to boost his "mystique."

But is he more dangerous than someone like SB, equally as fraudulent, or less of a threat?

Personally, I think Blaine is much worse. He claims to be setting world records performing death-defying (rigged) stunts, which honest competitors may very well kill themselves trying to duplicate. At least most intelligent people will brush off psychics as a joke, but when someone claims to be performing a plausible feat of physical endurance, it's a lot easier to believe him and fall for his lies.

The fact that someone has a background in illusion arts should not automatically excuse him from making fraudulent claims on endurance feats he insists are real but are not. Just like Uri Geller, David Blaine denied using trickery, and I don't think they should be treated any differently.

Originally Posted by barrymore

but no one takes him seriously enough to think he is superhuman.

He never did anything that could be regarded as "superhuman" - he actually closely matched existing records to make it seem realistic - in fact his underwater breathholding "record" was beaten (legitimately) about a year later.

Originally Posted by barrymore

It's just entertainment--I do not think people really care whether it is "real" or not.

A lot of people say that about Sylvia Browne, etc..

chainlink · 24th April 2010, 07:42 PM

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24th April 2010, 12:17 PM	#1
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,904	Did Blaine spend 44 days in a box without food? The other thread on Blaine got me thinking: Did Blaine actually spend 44 days in the box in London without food, just water? I went to see him towards the end, and there is no doubt that he looked dreadful, and clearly incredibly thin. With that said, my observation isn't enough, and it seems most skeptics here seem to think he faked it. I only doubt that he faked it due to the time he spend in hospital after. Presumably, in order to keep this conspiracy alive, the doctors would all have to be in on it, and I would have thought something would have leaked by now.
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24th April 2010, 01:02 PM	#4
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,904	Originally Posted by Marduk pretty obvious how Blaine cheated isnt it ? His box had what his promoters call "a water supply" But did he reveal this to his doctors at the hospital? Where they in on it?
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24th April 2010, 01:22 PM	#5
Trent Wray I Will Not Impregnate You Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 4,562	Originally Posted by Marduk 44 days is nothing Elaine Esposito went without food for 37 years 111 days http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_Esposito pretty obvious how Blaine cheated isnt it ? His box had what his promoters call "a water supply" Elaine Esposito also survived on liquids, though her promoters weren't claiming it was water She was under medical care with a PEG or NG tube I presume? That's not quite the same as going without nutrition completely. And just for "fun" .... I went 9 days with no food or water after only a couple of attempts at preparing for it. I worked in the Texas summer sun, without even a drop of water touching my lips outside of my own sweat (calm down Marduk ) .... and suffered essentially no ill effects. Regardless of whether or not Blaine actually did it or not, I don't see it as being that big of a deal. I think in general he's efficient at misdirection and fooling the public overall with his TV show settups. They're getting kind of old hat though. And resorting to stuff like this isn't that impressive. But I suppose if he still wants to separate himself from the magicians who "pass through the Great Wall of China" and make elephants disappear and all that crap, he's got to think of more sage/mystic type stunts to pull off. Now, if he would have tried to go three months without food or water, now we're talking
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24th April 2010, 01:41 PM	#7
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,904	They surely would have figured it out.
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24th April 2010, 02:05 PM	#9
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24th April 2010, 12:30 PM	#2
Trent Wray I Will Not Impregnate You Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 4,562	I don't honestly care if Blaine did it or not, but it appears possible (but not without medical complications obviously) (and I obviously can't verify the following beyond the googled link provided): Quote: Medical Doctors Commonly cite 4 to 6 weeks without food 10 Political Prisoners in Ireland Lived 46 to 73 days before succumbing to lack of food 12 individual starvation protestors Two lost tongues, 1 lost feet, 7 on kidney dialysis Many war prisoners Lived 28 to 40 days with no food World War II concentration camps With only 300 to 600 calories per day, many thousands did not have enough food to survive more than a few months at best. Terminally Ill patients Live 10-days to 3-weeks without food depending upon initial heath Obese Can live from 3-weeks up to 25-weeks and more without food depending upon initial health and amount of fat Mahatma Gandhi Survived a 3-week fast while in his 70's 25 weeks of living on fat supply!
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24th April 2010, 12:57 PM	#3
Marduk Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Newbury, Berkshire Posts: 10,242	44 days is nothing Elaine Esposito went without food for 37 years 111 days http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_Esposito pretty obvious how Blaine cheated isnt it ? His box had what his promoters call "a water supply" Elaine Esposito also survived on liquids, though her promoters weren't claiming it was water

24th April 2010, 01:25 PM	#6
Marduk Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Newbury, Berkshire Posts: 10,242	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus But did he reveal this to his doctors at the hospital? Where they in on it? Why would he need to tell them he had been utilising a nutrient rich water supply for the last month and a half ? He could have just told them he hadn't eaten anything and he wouldn't have been lying

24th April 2010, 01:58 PM	#8
Gate2501 Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,377	Originally Posted by Trent Wray And just for "fun" .... I went 9 days with no food or water after only a couple of attempts at preparing for it. I worked in the Texas summer sun, without even a drop of water touching my lips outside of my own sweat (calm down Marduk ) .... and suffered essentially no ill effects. Are you being sarcastic somehow or quoting someone else here? You would die under this scenario.

24th April 2010, 02:33 PM	#10
Trent Wray I Will Not Impregnate You Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 4,562	Originally Posted by Gate2501 Are you being sarcastic somehow or quoting someone else here? You would die under this scenario. No I really did this. And I'm still alive ... although if I'm not, that would explain a lot

24th April 2010, 02:40 PM	#11
Marduk Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Newbury, Berkshire Posts: 10,242	ok so then its boils down to this Is David Blaine a :- 1. latter day american shaman with mystical powers 2. A big twat I know which way I'm voting

24th April 2010, 02:44 PM	#12
Doubt Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 5,480	Originally Posted by Marduk ok so then its boils down to this Is David Blaine a :- 1. latter day american shaman with mystical powers 2. A big twat I know which way I'm voting Just to be clear, those are not mutually exclusive options. But I am going with #2. Yes, I think of David Blaine when I think of #2.
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24th April 2010, 02:45 PM	#13
Gate2501 Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,377	Originally Posted by Trent Wray No I really did this. And I'm still alive ... although if I'm not, that would explain a lot I really can't believe you went 9 days without water in any scenario, yet you claimed to have been working out in the sun as well. Are you not counting stuff which contains water as water? Like: "I didn't drink water for 9 days but I sure did drink a lot of orange juice!" Not trying to be a ball-buster, I have read repeatedly that the average a human will last(not die) without water is 5 days in ideal conditions.

24th April 2010, 02:50 PM	#15
Trent Wray I Will Not Impregnate You Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 4,562	Originally Posted by Gate2501 I really can't believe you went 9 days without water in any scenario, yet you claimed to have been working out in the sun as well. Are you not counting stuff which contains water as water? Like: "I didn't drink water for 9 days but I sure did drink a lot of orange juice!" Not trying to be a ball-buster, I have read repeatedly that the average a human will last(not die) without water is 5 days in ideal conditions. No worries dude Not a single drop touched my mouth ... and to make sure, I didn't even brush my teeth (I know, that was ******* gross). At the end of it, I was CRAVING fruit. Plums, watermelon, and strawberries to be exact. And the moment I started downing some of that fruit, my upper palate was very sensitive and almost painful. My throat hurt a bit as well. And after eating just a few bites of the fruit I was literally craving, I was sickened by it and didn't want to touch anymore. IIRC, I had some milk off and on throughout the rest of the day and by the end of the night I was eating solid stuff again. I can't remember how long the upper palate discomfort and sore throat lasted though .... this was like 12 years ago! I probably fasted like four or five times before that, but only for a couple of days at a time. Nothing major. But seriously, you don't have to believe it. No worries . I could be making it up for all you know, so it's all good

24th April 2010, 02:53 PM	#16
jiggeryqua Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 2,975	Originally Posted by Trent Wray Now, if he would have tried to go three months without ~~food or water~~ publicity, now we're talking Now we're talking. There's a satirical news show on BBC radio 4 which habitually refers to Blaine as "the Git Wizard". Alas, it seems not to have gained wider currency. I suspect 'git' is not easily translated into American.

24th April 2010, 03:03 PM	#17
Sledge Grammaton Cleric Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Swingin' on a star Posts: 7,123	Wasn't this the stunt that united the British public in their disdain for the prat? I seem to recall people hitting golf balls at the box.
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24th April 2010, 03:08 PM	#18
barrymore Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 267	Why all the hate for David Blaine? Maybe he is an attention whore, but as far as I know he does not do anything unsavory.

24th April 2010, 03:11 PM	#19
Professor Yaffle Butterbeans and Breadcrumbs Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Emily's shop Posts: 15,447	Originally Posted by Sledge Wasn't this the stunt that united the British public in their disdain for the prat? I seem to recall people hitting golf balls at the box. I remember them throwing burgers at him.
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24th April 2010, 03:13 PM	#20
Gate2501 Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,377	Originally Posted by Professor Yaffle I remember them throwing burgers at him. lol... I remember this as well. I also recall that people were grilling delicious foods downwind of him in an attempt to make him miserable.

24th April 2010, 03:36 PM	#21
Marduk Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Newbury, Berkshire Posts: 10,242	Originally Posted by Trent Wray Come on, you at least have to give the guy some street cred props. Most people who go to a magic show KNOW they are going to see tricks. But he is able to freak people out and have them walking away thinking he's got some real powers. Your nemesis, Van Daniken, can only point to some lines in a desert and ancient molded toy birds. But Blaine walks up to people and makes them piss in their pants .... or at the very least, he's able to stage it all on TV to have certain viewers talking about him on Sunday mornings. I'd say he's a successful twat My Nemesis is not Van Daniken (whoever he is), its the Grand Negus Zechariah Sitchin
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24th April 2010, 04:01 PM	#22
jiggeryqua Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 2,975	Originally Posted by barrymore Why all the hate for David Blaine? Maybe he is an attention whore, but as far as I know he does not do anything unsavory. For the English, generally speaking, being an attention whore is unsavoury. Certainly, if you're going to occupy a prime spot in the capital to say 'look at me, look at me!' you'd better have something a damn sight better than the Git Wizard's 'look at me! I'm sitting in a box, pretending not to eat, because I'm better than you at being alive. Keep looking at me! I'll be here for days, spinning out the same uninteresting illusion'.

24th April 2010, 04:14 PM	#23
Monketey Ghost Body of Work Join Date: May 2003 Location: I'm on your screen! Posts: 14,812	I can't stand the guy for his keep-looking-at-me schtick. Yes, yes, I get it, you love yourself.
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24th April 2010, 04:20 PM	#24
barrymore Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 267	Originally Posted by jiggeryqua For the English, generally speaking, being an attention whore is unsavoury. Non-sense. We value attention whores and untalented celebrities to the highest degree in the English-speaking world. See: Paris Hilton for the US, and Katie Price for the UK.

24th April 2010, 04:24 PM	#25
bluesjnr Professional Nemesis for Hire Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Not where I should be. Posts: 2,200	Originally Posted by Trent Wray And just for "fun" .... I went 9 days with no food or water after only a couple of attempts at preparing for it. I worked in the Texas summer sun, without even a drop of water touching my lips outside of my own sweat (calm down Marduk ) .... and suffered essentially no ill effects.
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24th April 2010, 04:26 PM	#26
Tsukasa Buddha Other (please write in) Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NeverLand Posts: 10,034	Originally Posted by Trent Wray Come on, you at least have to give the guy some street cred props. Most people who go to a magic show KNOW they are going to see tricks. But he is able to freak people out and have them walking away thinking he's got some real powers. Your nemesis, Van Daniken, can only point to some lines in a desert and ancient molded toy birds. But Blaine walks up to people and makes them piss in their pants .... or at the very least, he's able to stage it all on TV to have certain viewers talking about him on Sunday mornings. I'd say he's a successful twat That's not talent, it is being a wanker. He tries to pass off kids magic tricks as beings miracles because he doesn't say they are tricks. The whole "illusion" centers on his dishonesty. Oh, but I'm sure he never stated they weren't magic tricks . And his stunts are worse. He gives big wooey speeches and then does something that could involve trickery or could be real, but in the end, he is just an attention whore. I think it is best stated by his stunts all involving his inactivity . And don't get me started on the camera hackery he employs.
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24th April 2010, 04:37 PM	#27
Sledge Grammaton Cleric Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Swingin' on a star Posts: 7,123	Originally Posted by barrymore Non-sense. We value attention whores and untalented celebrities to the highest degree in the English-speaking world. See: Paris Hilton for the US, and Katie Price for the UK. I fail to see why paying attention to a woman with massive norks is a bad thing.
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24th April 2010, 04:42 PM	#28
Monketey Ghost Body of Work Join Date: May 2003 Location: I'm on your screen! Posts: 14,812	Originally Posted by bluesjnr He may have done it. But there are a few survival-type shows that'd be interested in talking to him!
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24th April 2010, 05:10 PM	#29
jiggeryqua Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 2,975	Originally Posted by barrymore Non-sense. We value attention whores and untalented celebrities to the highest degree in the English-speaking world. See: Paris Hilton for the US, and Katie Price for the UK. Ah, so the Git Wizard's problem was that he wasn't enough of an attention whore? Nonsense. Again, generally speaking, the English (I make no mention of the US...and you make no mention of the Australians, or New Zealanders...) are not appreciative of attention whores. Katie Price hardly receives universal acclaim in the UK - quite the opposite. She is beloved by some tabloids (who require attention whores to pad out the news). She used to have a sizeable fanbase among adolescent males, though I don't believe she's retained it - but when your 'look at me!' is 'look at me, I've got me massive baps out!', that's one sector of the population whose attention you can pretty much guarantee. She still has some support among misguided/untalented 'feminists', who think she represents what women with little to offer the world but their breasts can achieve, but even that has been slipping away in light of her messy failed relationship with Peter Andre (whose appeal is inexplicable, but never mind) and her shamelessly manipulative relationship with Alex Reid.
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24th April 2010, 06:01 PM	#30
Trent Wray I Will Not Impregnate You Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 4,562	Originally Posted by Marduk My Nemesis is not Van Daniken (whoever he is), its the Grand Negus Zechariah Sitchin von von von Hmm .... Sitchin. Yes yes of course. And I'd think that Icke is something like a boy scout wannabe Originally Posted by jiggeryqua For the English, generally speaking, being an attention whore is unsavoury. Certainly, if you're going to occupy a prime spot in the capital to say 'look at me, look at me!' you'd better have something a damn sight better than the Git Wizard's 'look at me! I'm sitting in a box, pretending not to eat, because I'm better than you at being alive. Keep looking at me! I'll be here for days, spinning out the same uninteresting illusion'. This sounds vaguely familiar ... Originally Posted by bluesjnr Mock on, you food eating naysayers !!! I also smoked cigarettes as a baby, and quite fondly. Originally Posted by Monkey Ghost He may have done it. But there are a few survival-type shows that'd be interested in talking to him! If it's an office job, I'm in.

24th April 2010, 06:16 PM	#31
Monketey Ghost Body of Work Join Date: May 2003 Location: I'm on your screen! Posts: 14,812	Dude, you gotta. What you claim is significantly more than what I think the US Marines claim is doable.
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24th April 2010, 06:19 PM	#32
chainlink Scholar Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 80	David Blaine is a fraud and a liar. A magician performing tricks who passes himself off as a record-setting stuntman. (He was recognized by the Guinness World Records as the longest underwater breath-hold - amazingly no one noticed he cheated) David Blaine's numerous frauds have been exposed. I don't know if I'm allowed to reveal his [alleged] trickery methods here, so I'll just say "google it". (I have nothing against 'honest' magicians, but I think that liars like Blaine should be exposed and their deceptions made public)
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24th April 2010, 06:32 PM	#33
Trent Wray I Will Not Impregnate You Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 4,562	Originally Posted by Monkey Ghost Dude, you gotta. What you claim is significantly more than what I think the US Marines claim is doable. Only if people will throw hamburgers at me. But no hot dogs. I don't do tubesteak.

24th April 2010, 06:35 PM	#34
Trent Wray I Will Not Impregnate You Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 4,562	Originally Posted by chainlink David Blaine is a fraud and a liar. A magician performing tricks who passes himself off as a record-setting stuntman. (He was recognized by the Guinness World Records as the longest underwater breath-hold - amazingly no one noticed he cheated) David Blaine's numerous frauds have been exposed. I don't know if I'm allowed to reveal his [alleged] trickery methods here, so I'll just say "google it". (I have nothing against 'honest' magicians, but I think that liars like Blaine should be exposed and their deceptions made public) It's actually an interesting concept. You have people who make no claims that they are performing anything other than illusions and tricks and sleight of hand, while someone like Blaine tries to maintain a "just what if he's real?" persona to boost his "mystique." But is he more dangerous than someone like SB, equally as fraudulent, or less of a threat?

24th April 2010, 06:45 PM	#35
Monketey Ghost Body of Work Join Date: May 2003 Location: I'm on your screen! Posts: 14,812	Originally Posted by Trent Wray Only if people will throw hamburgers at me. But no hot dogs. I don't do tubesteak. If we're talking about the picnic/ballpark treat... and not the other kind... it's all in the mustard. Red Pelican and no alternative.
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24th April 2010, 06:56 PM	#36
Trent Wray I Will Not Impregnate You Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 4,562	Originally Posted by Monkey Ghost If we're talking about the picnic/ballpark treat... and not the other kind... it's all in the mustard. Red Pelican and no alternative. I'm talking about both kinds. Chuck Norris doesn't do it ..... I won't dare do it.