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Old 30th April 2010, 11:34 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by Trent Wray View Post
The longest I've gone with no food or water was ....... oh hell, nevermind
I went without food for 11 months (Hospital food doesn't count, right?).

I did have water, though. Some of it was thickened water.
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Originally Posted by RSLancastr View Post
I went without food for 11 months (Hospital food doesn't count, right?).

I did have water, though. Some of it was thickened water.
You are (as usual) correct
All those patients in hospital in various sorts of coma and some for a matter of years.
Perhaps the faker has an intravenous setup ?
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Is he dead yet? Is the testing facility and the protocols credible?
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Finally found something, a power point presentation, that resembles a kind of protocol, an affidavit (can't read it though ), photographs and measurements from the 2003 test of Prahladbhai Jani :
http://pranique.com/praladjani.ppt
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Originally Posted by Anthem View Post
Finally found something, a power point presentation, that resembles a kind of protocol, an affidavit (can't read it though ), photographs and measurements from the 2003 test of Prahladbhai Jani :
http://pranique.com/praladjani.ppt
Brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "Death by Powerpoint".
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I'm especially worried about what the doctor says about staring at the sun, basically: "just look at the sun without blinking, and once you get used to it, increase the time you stare at the sun without blinking", as far as I could tell, this was his "theory" of how the guru gets energy to stay alive. Oh my...

Here is the homepage of this doctor:

http://www.sudhirneuro.org/
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If I was not mistaken, the guru says this in the video:

"I will live up to approximately 1000 to 5000, maybe even 10 000 years with this kind of body."

Nice.
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That doctors websites is a world of woo.
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1. India's military is naive enough to believe this.
2. India has nuclear weapons.
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Originally Posted by Towlie View Post
1. India's military is naive enough to believe this.
2. India has nuclear weapons.
3.
Infallible logic sequence.
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1. India's military is naive enough to believe this.
2. India has nuclear weapons.
3.
4. Profit
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Originally Posted by Modified View Post
4. Profit
Took the words right out of my mouth, err... keyboard. Off... my keyboard. Gah.
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Yahoo is reporting he's "proven" his claim.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20100510...t-451ab4f.html

Why do people still publish this rubbish?
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Originally Posted by Kuko 4000 View Post
If I was not mistaken, the guru says this in the video:

"I will live up to approximately 1000 to 5000, maybe even 10 000 years with this kind of body."

Nice.
Who on earth would want to live that long without having a pizza?
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Who on earth would want to live that long without having a pizza?
His story is that he left his home when he was seven and lived in the jungle, why would he need pizza so much? He probably does not even know what it is so your theory is completely lousy.
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Originally Posted by Infoexcavator View Post
His story is that he left his home when he was seven and lived in the jungle, why would he need pizza so much? He probably does not even know what it is so your theory is completely lousy.


Not so much levity, please. This is a seerwious discussion.
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Either the doctors examining the man, or the journalists writing the article about him, or more likely, all of the above, are being uncritically credulous.

They maintain on the one hand that he could have drunk no water in 15 days, while overlooking the stated fact that he takes frequent baths -- which are, of course, comprised of gallons of water. I wonder if he might take a sip or twelve while soaking in it?

They maintain he is "sealed inside a hospital", as if there is no conceivable way he could have had access to food -- which, of course, is abundant inside a hospital, in order to maintain the health of the many patients and workers who reside there at all hours of the day and night. I wonder if he might have convinced a staffer, through his guru-esque powers of persuasion, to bring him some juice or bread once or twice a day?

They pretend that he is under 24-hour scrutiny from cameras and staff, when of course no hospital has the funds to pay a team of dedicated observers to monitor a single patient at all hours of the day and night. I wonder if there are a few minutes here and there throughout the day, during which he is under no scrutiny at all?

They pretend he has not gone to the toilet in 15 days, again overlooking the stated fact that he takes frequent baths. I wonder if he could have relieved himself while soaking in those gallons of water?

They offer such absurd rationales for their credulity of his status as "solar energy" taken in through the eyes -- when there is no known mechanism by which a human being, or any member of Kingdom Animalia, can synthesize fuel out of sunlight, a known property of plants, through their optical apparatus.

The whole thing is just absurd beyond belief.
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They're reporting similar nonsense via the ABC in Oz.

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If Jani does not derive energy from food and water, he must be doing that from energy sources around him, sunlight being one.

As medical practitioners we cannot shut our eyes to possibilities, to a source of energy other than calories.

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They maintain on the one hand that he could have drunk no water in 15 days, while overlooking the stated fact that he takes frequent baths -- which are, of course, comprised of gallons of water. I wonder if he might take a sip or twelve while soaking in it?
Not just taking baths -

His only contact with any kind of fluid was during gargling and bathing periodically during the period
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Not just taking baths -

His only contact with any kind of fluid was during gargling and bathing periodically during the period
That water is measured so that they can see if he actually drinks it, he is supposed to spit it back after moistening his mouth.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3236118.stm
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If you look at the vid I posted a bit earlier you can see how he is bathing...just before the 2 minute mark.
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"As medical practitioners we cannot shut our eyes to possibilities, to a source of energy other than calories"

A medical practitioner who thinks a calorie is a source of energy gives cause for pause...
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A medical practitioner who thinks a calorie is a source of energy gives cause for pause...
Why? The calorie is a unit of energy. 1 calorie = 4.18400 joules. What's your problem?
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Why? The calorie is a unit of energy. 1 calorie = 4.18400 joules. What's your problem?
A calorie is not a source of energy, it is a measure.
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This breatharian stuff looks fattening:

"Wiley Brooks is founder of the 'Breatharian Institute of America'. ... Brooks explains that the "Double Quarter-Pounder with Cheese" meal from McDonald's possesses a special "base frequency" and that he thus recommends it as occasional food for beginning breatharians."

And then what? More advanced practitioners survive on nothing but air and Burger King(tm) Triple Stacks?
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Originally Posted by kerikiwi View Post
"As medical practitioners we cannot shut our eyes to possibilities, to a source of energy other than calories"

A medical practitioner who thinks a calorie is a source of energy gives cause for pause...
Next he'll be "theorizing" that this dude's running on diesel fuel.
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So how was he positioned in these baths?
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Originally Posted by Anthem View Post
Finally found something, a power point presentation, that resembles a kind of protocol, an affidavit (can't read it though ), photographs and measurements from the 2003 test of Prahladbhai Jani :
http://pranique.com/praladjani.ppt
For those wanting to know what that stuff all translates into, Linda (FLS) has a newb (on the ropes - he's already not sounding half as wooish as when he started) over in the Science and Math Geeks sub-forum. She takes all the fun out of banter - Ms. Know-It-All-Doctor-Person!


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That water is measured so that they can see if he actually drinks it, he is supposed to spit it back after moistening his mouth.
And there is no way it is practically possible to rinse your mouth out and spit every last drop of water back into a cup. If you did, your mouth would no longer be moist - it would be exactly as dry as before you rinsed.
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And there is no way it is practically possible to rinse your mouth out and spit every last drop of water back into a cup. If you did, your mouth would no longer be moist - it would be exactly as dry as before you rinsed.
And for that matter, why the hell does he need to moisten his mouth if he has no need for liquids? What is so special about the mouth? If he can dry out, you would think he would be more concerned about his lung tissue drying out than having a bit of cottonmouth.

I would say a quicker version of the test would involve placing him in a very hot room ( with a sun roof i guess) ( not insanely hot, but lets say 85 degrees or thereabouts. ) and having him do constant exercise. ( lets say walking around the room at a certain pace slow, but constant pace)

This would dehydrate him pretty quickly and consume a decent amount of energy, but if he can do what he says he can, then it should be no issue.

I am honestly amazed that people can be so flat out stupid. And in this case it is just stupidity. It is a complete lack of either the knowledge or ability to do 5 minutes of research into a subject and find out that this guy has been being lobbed softballs this entire time. And would be dead in short order if a real protocol was instated.
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This breatharian stuff looks fattening:

"Wiley Brooks is founder of the 'Breatharian Institute of America'. ... Brooks explains that the "Double Quarter-Pounder with Cheese" meal from McDonald's possesses a special "base frequency" and that he thus recommends it as occasional food for beginning breatharians."

And then what? More advanced practitioners survive on nothing but air and Burger King(tm) Triple Stacks?
As someone who lost over 180 pounds during my high school days, i can shed some light on this.

You would be surprized how little food you need to mantain a slightly below average body wieght ( at the time it was about 120-130 i rock about 140-150 now.). Even with one macdonalds meal every 2 days ( and i might even say 3, but that would be being very generous ) i could see someone surviving, with nothing but stomach issues ( slight to moderate) , and below average weight. And that is not even mentioning things like milk, soda, juice, or other sources of calories people don't really think of.

Losing a lot of weight gives you a lot of insight into the way hunger functions. And all it is, really is getting used to the feeling of hunger. Most people may complain if they do not eat, lets say every 6 hours. But that is only because they are used to eating at quicker intervals. Not because their body is legitimately being harmed in any major way by the lack of eating.

And this is one of the biggest problems with bretharianisim. They get people to do perfectly normal things, and then say " see , look its a superpower". I have yet to see a laymen breatharian claim anything that would impress me, let alone get me to think they have any type of superpower. If they have superpowers, i guess i am doctor friggen manhattan.
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For those wanting to know what that stuff all translates into, Linda (FLS) has a newb (on the ropes - he's already not sounding half as wooish as when he started) over in the Science and Math Geeks sub-forum. She takes all the fun out of banter - Ms. Know-It-All-Doctor-Person!


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Ah, thank you Foolmewunz, a good informative read!
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Is he dead yet? Is the testing facility and the protocols credible?
No and no
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No and no
both of those answers have a direct ( versus inverse) relationship. If one is true the other will inevitably be true.
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exactly what i am saying - No he isn't dead, a no the protocols and facility are not credible
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And this is one of the biggest problems with bretharianisim.

And here I thought the only problem with breatharianism was that it's nuts.
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I saw this story online and did an immediate facepalm! Oy...some people are very gullible. Baths and allowed to gargle, but they're sure he's not drinking? And he has been in a sealed clear chamber, wearing only robes that were created and inspected specifically for the test, under multi-camera video surveillance for how many days?

Really, it's scary to think that there are people with the authority to shoot (or give orders to shoot) that are this gullible. And I thought Men Who Stare At Goats was bad!
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Originally Posted by sadhatter View Post
And for that matter, why the hell does he need to moisten his mouth if he has no need for liquids? What is so special about the mouth? If he can dry out, you would think he would be more concerned about his lung tissue drying out than having a bit of cottonmouth.

I would say a quicker version of the test would involve placing him in a very hot room ( with a sun roof i guess) ( not insanely hot, but lets say 85 degrees or thereabouts. ) and having him do constant exercise. ( lets say walking around the room at a certain pace slow, but constant pace)

This would dehydrate him pretty quickly and consume a decent amount of energy, but if he can do what he says he can, then it should be no issue.

I am honestly amazed that people can be so flat out stupid. And in this case it is just stupidity. It is a complete lack of either the knowledge or ability to do 5 minutes of research into a subject and find out that this guy has been being lobbed softballs this entire time. And would be dead in short order if a real protocol was instated.
Except, sadhatter, we must test the actual claims made by these woosters, not make up claims to put in their mouths. If he doesn't claim to be able to spend a significant amount of time exercising strenuously in a very hot room, then it is not helpful to attempt to make him do it. This is one of the most fundamental aspects of the one million dollar challenge. Randi is very careful to test only what people claim they can do.
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