For Good Reason: Vic Stenger - In Search of Cosmic Consciousness

Jeff Wagg · 3rd May 2010, 01:13 PM

Vic Stenger talks about the limits of science, and whether scientists should be critical of religion and the paranormal, or if such sorts of claims are out of the bounds of science, and therefore beyond criticism. He discusses the academic and spiritual career of Fritjof Capra, and his book The Tao of Physics and how it misused quantum physics to promote New Age mysticism. He explores the implications of Deepak Chopra’s work, which argues that quantum physics proves that “we make our own reality,” and discusses the movies The Secret and What the Bleep Do We Know? and how they get quantum physics wrong. He explains wave-particle duality, and the reductionistic Standard Model in particle physics, and why this contradicts the claims of the “quantum spiritualists.” And he talks about the future of New Age mysticism and quantum spirituality.

In this weeks Honest Liar commentary, Jamy Ian Swiss revisits what happened in last week’s episode to victims of the ancient con of the Three Card Monte.

Listen here.

tsig · 4th May 2010, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Jeff Wagg

Vic Stenger talks about the limits of science, and whether scientists should be critical of religion and the paranormal, or if such sorts of claims are out of the bounds of science, and therefore beyond criticism. He discusses the academic and spiritual career of Fritjof Capra, and his book The Tao of Physics and how it misused quantum physics to promote New Age mysticism. He explores the implications of Deepak Chopra’s work, which argues that quantum physics proves that “we make our own reality,” and discusses the movies The Secret and What the Bleep Do We Know? and how they get quantum physics wrong. He explains wave-particle duality, and the reductionistic Standard Model in particle physics, and why this contradicts the claims of the “quantum spiritualists.” And he talks about the future of New Age mysticism and quantum spirituality.

In this weeks Honest Liar commentary, Jamy Ian Swiss revisits what happened in last week’s episode to victims of the ancient con of the Three Card Monte.

Listen here.

If something is beyond criticism then it is faith.

Whenever a paranormal claim impinges on the physical world it can be measured, if it doesn't then why bother with it?

Rowan Grigg · 26th May 2010, 04:10 AM

very measured and gracious approach to the problem of new age nonsense. I enjoy listening to Vic. I can't say the same for D.J. Grothe - probably got some growing up yet to do.

3rd May 2010, 01:13 PM	#1
Jeff Wagg Eponymous Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,052	For Good Reason: Vic Stenger - In Search of Cosmic Consciousness Vic Stenger talks about the limits of science, and whether scientists should be critical of religion and the paranormal, or if such sorts of claims are out of the bounds of science, and therefore beyond criticism. He discusses the academic and spiritual career of Fritjof Capra, and his book The Tao of Physics and how it misused quantum physics to promote New Age mysticism. He explores the implications of Deepak Chopra’s work, which argues that quantum physics proves that “we make our own reality,” and discusses the movies The Secret and What the Bleep Do We Know? and how they get quantum physics wrong. He explains wave-particle duality, and the reductionistic Standard Model in particle physics, and why this contradicts the claims of the “quantum spiritualists.” And he talks about the future of New Age mysticism and quantum spirituality. In this weeks Honest Liar commentary, Jamy Ian Swiss revisits what happened in last week’s episode to victims of the ancient con of the Three Card Monte. Listen here.

4th May 2010, 06:07 PM	#2
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,718	Originally Posted by Jeff Wagg Vic Stenger talks about the limits of science, and whether scientists should be critical of religion and the paranormal, or if such sorts of claims are out of the bounds of science, and therefore beyond criticism. He discusses the academic and spiritual career of Fritjof Capra, and his book The Tao of Physics and how it misused quantum physics to promote New Age mysticism. He explores the implications of Deepak Chopra’s work, which argues that quantum physics proves that “we make our own reality,” and discusses the movies The Secret and What the Bleep Do We Know? and how they get quantum physics wrong. He explains wave-particle duality, and the reductionistic Standard Model in particle physics, and why this contradicts the claims of the “quantum spiritualists.” And he talks about the future of New Age mysticism and quantum spirituality. In this weeks Honest Liar commentary, Jamy Ian Swiss revisits what happened in last week’s episode to victims of the ancient con of the Three Card Monte. Listen here. If something is beyond criticism then it is faith. Whenever a paranormal claim impinges on the physical world it can be measured, if it doesn't then why bother with it?
	Last edited by tsig; 4th May 2010 at 06:09 PM.

26th May 2010, 04:10 AM	#3
Rowan Grigg New Blood Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Canberra Posts: 10	very measured and gracious approach to the problem of new age nonsense. I enjoy listening to Vic. I can't say the same for D.J. Grothe - probably got some growing up yet to do.