[Merged] Two Mosques to be built near Ground Zero - Page 15

Emperor_Gestahl · 19th August 2010, 02:38 AM

Originally Posted by amb

I doubt this will go ahead. Obama finds himself isolated from the rest of the Democratic Party who are two thirds against the whole idea. In line with the general population.

Islam has won a battle by the posts I have so far seen.

amb that Poll question was horribly worded so as to be a seriously false dichotomy. "For" or "Against" leaves out the correct answer for most which is "it's none of my business, and it isn't your business either". For this reason I consider that poll result unenlightening.

amb · 19th August 2010, 02:57 AM

It the duty of every muslim to convert by whatever means every man woman and child to islam. It's right there in their qu'ran. A moderate muslim is not a true follower of islam.
When a single muslim migrates to another country, it's really two migrating. The muslim and Allah.
Throughout the Western world if politicians only stop and listen, up to two thirds do not want any more muslims in their countries. Let alone allowing them to build madrases and mosques in their mist.

Belz... · 19th August 2010, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by amb

It the duty of every muslim to convert by whatever means every man woman and child to islam. It's right there in their qu'ran. A moderate muslim is not a true follower of islam.

Perhaps. You tell 'em that.

SezMe · 19th August 2010, 03:12 AM

Originally Posted by Emperor_Gestahl

If we are federally spending all that money promoting a specific religion that is actually kind of bad.

If I remember from one of the sites I read, 98.5% goes for promoting Christianity. Which is no news bulletin.

SezMe · 19th August 2010, 03:15 AM

Originally Posted by amb

It the duty of every muslim to convert by whatever means every man woman and child to islam. It's right there in their qu'ran. A moderate muslim is not a true follower of islam.
When a single muslim migrates to another country, it's really two migrating. The muslim and Allah.

It is the duty of every Christian to convert by whatever means every man woman and child to Christianity. It's right there in their bible. A moderate Christian is not a true follower of Christianity.

When a single Christianity migrates to another country, it's really two migrating. The Christian and Jesus.

amb · 19th August 2010, 03:28 AM

When was the last time that a christian blew themselves up as well as whoever happened to be nearby?? Christianity is bad, but pales into insignificance compared to to this most vile of religions. At least their [christianity] leader didn't marry an eight year old and had sex with her when she turned nine.

Thunder · 19th August 2010, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by amb

When was the last time that a christian blew themselves up as well as whoever happened to be nearby?? Christianity is bad, but pales into insignificance compared to to this most vile of religions. At least their [christianity] leader didn't marry an eight year old and had sex with her when she turned nine.

yeah, no bigotry against Islam here.

btw, when is the last time Muslims committed an act of genocide that killed 12 million or more innocent civilians?

Chaos · 19th August 2010, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by Thunder

yeah, no bigotry against Islam here.

btw, when is the last time Muslims committed an act of genocide that killed 12 million or more innocent civilians?

To be fair, that´s wasn´t technically done for Christianity, only with the utmost conviction of Gott mit uns because, well, god is with whoever thinks so.

To paraphrase Pratchett (I think), no atrocity was ever committed with the conviction that god did not want it to happen.

Ladewig · 19th August 2010, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by amb

When was the last time that a christian blew themselves up as well as whoever happened to be nearby??

I could cite Christians who bomb abortion clinics and gay bars. But wait, that's not the same because the bombers did not kill themselves in the deadly attacks. Yes, Islam is much, much worse than Christianity because Islamic bombers kill themselves whereas Christian bombers don't.

AvalonXQ · 19th August 2010, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by Chaos

To paraphrase Pratchett (I think), no atrocity was ever committed with the conviction that god did not want it to happen.

Clearly the Satanists need to get more on the ball.

elbe · 19th August 2010, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by amb

When was the last time that a christian blew themselves up as well as whoever happened to be nearby?? Christianity is bad, but pales into insignificance compared to to this most vile of religions. At least their [christianity] leader didn't marry an eight year old and had sex with her when she turned nine.

Christianity has a lot of skeletons in it's closet, and I don't think we want to turn this into a who's killed the most infidels topic (because, frankly, I think xianity wins handsdown). Both religions have had horrible things done in its name, but its not fair to anyone to lump all the innocent, religious people with the murders. It's intellectually dishonest.

elbe · 19th August 2010, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by amb

The congressional elections are at the end of this year are they not?

And what? The individual congressional candidates may or may not have made any comments regarding the mosque, either pro or against. But I guess this is politics, guilt by association is a key strategy.

Mister Earl · 19th August 2010, 07:15 AM

I don't buy the whole "It's none of our business" bit. I'm seeing Americans trying to interfere with the rights of other Americans for reasons I see as relating to bigotry. Whenever a majority tries to use their weight to oppress a minority and deny them rights they majority enjoys themselves, it's everyone's business to correct that.

Just my humble opinion.

GreNME · 19th August 2010, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by amb

When was the last time that a christian blew themselves up as well as whoever happened to be nearby??

So, you're still conflating terrorists who are Muslim with all Muslims. Okay, do you have a clear (and preferably intellectually honest) reason for doing so?

thaiboxerken · 19th August 2010, 01:10 PM

he's claiming that if a Muslim is not a terrorist, then it's really not a Muslim.

Thunder · 19th August 2010, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

he's claiming that if a Muslim is not a terrorist, then it's really not a Muslim.

yes, many folks are indeed making this claim.

ALL Islam is extremist. Moderate Islam does not exist, and anyone who claims to be a moderate Muslim is either a liar or a fake Muslim.

True Muslims, suport jihad and/or genocide of non-Muslims.

This is their assertion. And it is disgusting.

Corsair 115 · 19th August 2010, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by GreNME

I also heard there might possibly be a daycare center as well.

Uh oh, sounds like Rep. Gohmert was right after all about the terror babies!

dudalb · 19th August 2010, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by amb

It the duty of every muslim to convert by whatever means every man woman and child to islam. It's right there in their qu'ran. A moderate muslim is not a true follower of islam.
When a single muslim migrates to another country, it's really two migrating. The muslim and Allah.
Throughout the Western world if politicians only stop and listen, up to two thirds do not want any more muslims in their countries. Let alone allowing them to build madrases and mosques in their mist.

Please offer proof from a reliable source for any of the above.
I ain't holding my breath for a response.

Thunder · 19th August 2010, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by GreNME

I also heard there might possibly be a daycare center as well.

I'm sorry...but are you saying that these Muslims are reproducing????

well, that changes everything. Muslims can live here, but once they start making more Muslims, I have a problem.

looks like they are trying to take over.

GreNME · 19th August 2010, 02:09 PM

Did I mention the swimming pool?

Thunder · 19th August 2010, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by GreNME

Did I mention the swimming pool?

no doubt this pool will be filled with the blood of kafirs and infidels. and maybe some 9-11 victims.

Cleon · 19th August 2010, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Thunder

no doubt this pool will be filled with the blood of kafirs and infidels. and maybe some 9-11 victims.

And the tears of babies.

Chaos · 20th August 2010, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by Cleon

And the tears of babies.

Jewish babies, of course.

Debaser · 20th August 2010, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by Chaos

Jewish babies, of course.

Well, they are so kind to the skin...I use them daily...

amb · 20th August 2010, 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by elbe

And what? The individual congressional candidates may or may not have made any comments regarding the mosque, either pro or against. But I guess this is politics, guilt by association is a key strategy.

The latest polling in the States says that 31% of the population think Obama is a muslim. He isn't. But if he gets re-elected after one term it will be very surprising, even if he's against Sarah Palin.
Watch the carnage at the forthcoming congressional elections. Obama should have said he was against the building of this mosque from day one. 61 % of American are. Only 21% are for it. The rest don't know/care.

Eddie Dane · 20th August 2010, 02:42 AM

Just read a newspaper article about the imam of the proposed mosque.

The guy is not just a moderate, he's a text-book, poster-boy moderate!

He's involved in inter-faith dialog, writes pro-American books and is used for diplomatic missions to the Islamic world.
And that last thing he has been doing during the Bush administration!

The people who oppose this live in bizarro-world.

And lemme guess, these are probably the same teabagger nutbars that usually think that the constitution is a thing of God-like perfection.

Well, if they want to stop this thing, they better have the GOP propose a constitutional amendment prohibiting a specific religious group opening a house of worship within X miles from the location of a terrorist attack...or something.

In the meantime: Dutch national embarrassment and hairstyling disaster, Geert Wilders will speak in NY against the opening of a mosque ON Ground Zero.

I think I need a drink.

amb · 20th August 2010, 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Please offer proof from a reliable source for any of the above.
I ain't holding my breath for a response.

" Your lord inspired the angels with the message: " I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes. "
Koran 8:12.

''Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war. "
Koran 9-5

" So fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief non muslims] and all submit to the religion of allah alone in the whole world."
Koran 8:39. Shall I go on?
As for other proof that up to 80% of Westerners do not want any more muslims in their mist, check out the various polls that are sometimes published by brave newspapers who are not afraid of political correctness.

amb · 20th August 2010, 03:02 AM

Originally Posted by Eddie Dane

Just read a newspaper article about the imam of the proposed mosque.

The guy is not just a moderate, he's a text-book, poster-boy moderate!

He's involved in inter-faith dialog, writes pro-American books and is used for diplomatic missions to the Islamic world.
And that last thing he has been doing during the Bush administration!

The people who oppose this live in bizarro-world.

And lemme guess, these are probably the same teabagger nutbars that usually think that the constitution is a thing of God-like perfection.

Well, if they want to stop this thing, they better have the GOP propose a constitutional amendment prohibiting a specific religious group opening a house of worship within X miles from the location of a terrorist attack...or something.

In the meantime: Dutch national embarrassment and hairstyling disaster, Geert Wilders will speak in NY against the opening of a mosque ON Ground Zero.

I think I need a drink.

Is this the very same iman who has not ruled out accepting money for the project even from terrorist states such as Iran? Or from Saudi Arabia? [which is a dictatorship]

Eddie Dane · 20th August 2010, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by amb

Is this the very same iman who has not ruled out accepting money for the project even from terrorist states such as Iran? Or from Saudi Arabia? [which is a dictatorship]

I don't know.
I don't get my information from Fox news.

linusrichard · 20th August 2010, 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by amb

Is this the very same iman who has not ruled out accepting money for the project even from terrorist states such as Iran? Or from Saudi Arabia? [which is a dictatorship]

Is this the very same Iman who is married to David Bowie? Bowie has made some very disturbing pro-fascist statements and gestures. I think we need answers to these questions before we allow this project to go forward.

amb · 20th August 2010, 04:12 AM

Originally Posted by Eddie Dane

I don't know.
I don't get my information from Fox news.

This is from the Washington Post...........A new Time-SRBI poll found that 61% of Americans opposed building the center. Nearly twice as many people said the center, and the mosque inside it, would be an insult to 9/11 victims than said it would be a symbol of religious tolerance.
Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, facing a stiff re-election challemge, came out against the project after his Republican rival Sharron Angle pressed him on the issue.

amb · 20th August 2010, 04:14 AM

Originally Posted by linusrichard

Is this the very same Iman who is married to David Bowie? Bowie has made some very disturbing pro-fascist statements and gestures. I think we need answers to these questions before we allow this project to go forward.

No!!

JihadJane · 20th August 2010, 04:19 AM

Originally Posted by amb

The latest polling in the States says that 31% of the population think Obama is a muslim. He isn't. But if he gets re-elected after one term it will be very surprising, even if he's against Sarah Palin.
Watch the carnage at the forthcoming congressional elections. Obama should have said he was against the building of this mosque from day one. 61 % of American are. Only 21% are for it. The rest don't know/care.

Insane nation.

JihadJane · 20th August 2010, 04:22 AM

Originally Posted by amb

When was the last time that a christian blew themselves up as well as whoever happened to be nearby??

Brave Christians have got remotely operated drones to achieve the end and they're doing a great job!

Ryokan · 20th August 2010, 04:28 AM

Originally Posted by amb

When was the last time that a christian blew themselves up as well as whoever happened to be nearby??

Let me introduce you to the Lord's Resistance Army.

I'll grant you that they don't use suicide bombers, but is really "murder, abduction, mutilation, sexual enslavement of women and children, and forcing children to participate in hostilities" much better if they don't do it by blowing themselves up?

JFrankA · 20th August 2010, 04:42 AM

Originally Posted by amb

This is from the Washington Post...........A new Time-SRBI poll found that 61% of Americans opposed building the center. Nearly twice as many people said the center, and the mosque inside it, would be an insult to 9/11 victims than said it would be a symbol of religious tolerance.
Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, facing a stiff re-election challemge, came out against the project after his Republican rival Sharron Angle pressed him on the issue.

Ah.

So this "don't build the mosque" thing is an emotionally charged, knee-jerk reaction (without any forethought of tolerance or following of our own Consititution), by a bunch of political figures bent on either keeping their job or getting their side to win?

Glad you cleared that up.

amb · 20th August 2010, 04:53 AM

Originally Posted by JFrankA

Ah.

So this "don't build the mosque" thing is an emotionally charged, knee-jerk reaction (without any forethought of tolerance or following of our own Consititution), by a bunch of political figures bent on either keeping their job or getting their side to win?

Glad you cleared that up.

Did you not see the 61% of the public against it? It is America we are discussing? Not Mozambique or some other dictatorship.

JFrankA · 20th August 2010, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by amb

Did you not see the 61% of the public against it? It is America we are discussing? Not Mozambique or some other dictatorship.

Yes, I did.

That's why it was clear.

hgc · 20th August 2010, 05:04 AM

Originally Posted by amb

Did you not see the 61% of the public against it? It is America we are discussing? Not Mozambique or some other dictatorship.

Would you like your right to build a church put up to a vote?

JFrankA · 20th August 2010, 05:06 AM

Originally Posted by hgc

Would you like your right to build a church put up to a vote?

very well put.

If I may, add: since this is America we're talking about, would you like the government to tell you that your cannot put up your church for fear of offending someone else?

19th August 2010, 02:38 AM	#561
Emperor_Gestahl Muse Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 779	Originally Posted by amb I doubt this will go ahead. Obama finds himself isolated from the rest of the Democratic Party who are two thirds against the whole idea. In line with the general population. Islam has won a battle by the posts I have so far seen. amb that Poll question was horribly worded so as to be a seriously false dichotomy. "For" or "Against" leaves out the correct answer for most which is "it's none of my business, and it isn't your business either". For this reason I consider that poll result unenlightening.
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19th August 2010, 03:05 AM	#563
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details... Posts: 28,391	Originally Posted by amb It the duty of every muslim to convert by whatever means every man woman and child to islam. It's right there in their qu'ran. A moderate muslim is not a true follower of islam. Perhaps. You tell 'em that.
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19th August 2010, 05:59 AM	#568
Chaos TAM Chocolate Dispenser Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Heart of Old Europe Posts: 9,774	Originally Posted by Thunder yeah, no bigotry against Islam here. btw, when is the last time Muslims committed an act of genocide that killed 12 million or more innocent civilians? To be fair, that´s wasn´t technically done for Christianity, only with the utmost conviction of Gott mit uns because, well, god is with whoever thinks so. To paraphrase Pratchett (I think), no atrocity was ever committed with the conviction that god did not want it to happen.
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19th August 2010, 07:01 AM	#569
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,783	Originally Posted by amb When was the last time that a christian blew themselves up as well as whoever happened to be nearby?? I could cite Christians who bomb abortion clinics and gay bars. But wait, that's not the same because the bombers did not kill themselves in the deadly attacks. Yes, Islam is much, much worse than Christianity because Islamic bombers kill themselves whereas Christian bombers don't.
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19th August 2010, 07:04 AM	#570
AvalonXQ Guest Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 11,853	Originally Posted by Chaos To paraphrase Pratchett (I think), no atrocity was ever committed with the conviction that god did not want it to happen. Clearly the Satanists need to get more on the ball.
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19th August 2010, 02:57 AM	#562
amb Guest Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Western Australia Posts: 21,408	It the duty of every muslim to convert by whatever means every man woman and child to islam. It's right there in their qu'ran. A moderate muslim is not a true follower of islam. When a single muslim migrates to another country, it's really two migrating. The muslim and Allah. Throughout the Western world if politicians only stop and listen, up to two thirds do not want any more muslims in their countries. Let alone allowing them to build madrases and mosques in their mist.

19th August 2010, 03:12 AM	#564
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 16,353	Originally Posted by Emperor_Gestahl If we are federally spending all that money promoting a specific religion that is actually kind of bad. If I remember from one of the sites I read, 98.5% goes for promoting Christianity. Which is no news bulletin.

19th August 2010, 03:15 AM	#565
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 16,353	Originally Posted by amb It the duty of every muslim to convert by whatever means every man woman and child to islam. It's right there in their qu'ran. A moderate muslim is not a true follower of islam. When a single muslim migrates to another country, it's really two migrating. The muslim and Allah. It is the duty of every Christian to convert by whatever means every man woman and child to Christianity. It's right there in their bible. A moderate Christian is not a true follower of Christianity. When a single Christianity migrates to another country, it's really two migrating. The Christian and Jesus.

19th August 2010, 03:28 AM	#566
amb Guest Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Western Australia Posts: 21,408	When was the last time that a christian blew themselves up as well as whoever happened to be nearby?? Christianity is bad, but pales into insignificance compared to to this most vile of religions. At least their [christianity] leader didn't marry an eight year old and had sex with her when she turned nine.

19th August 2010, 05:48 AM	#567
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by amb When was the last time that a christian blew themselves up as well as whoever happened to be nearby?? Christianity is bad, but pales into insignificance compared to to this most vile of religions. At least their [christianity] leader didn't marry an eight year old and had sex with her when she turned nine. yeah, no bigotry against Islam here. btw, when is the last time Muslims committed an act of genocide that killed 12 million or more innocent civilians?

19th August 2010, 07:06 AM	#571
elbe Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: near a man named leroy brown Posts: 3,548	Originally Posted by amb When was the last time that a christian blew themselves up as well as whoever happened to be nearby?? Christianity is bad, but pales into insignificance compared to to this most vile of religions. At least their [christianity] leader didn't marry an eight year old and had sex with her when she turned nine. Christianity has a lot of skeletons in it's closet, and I don't think we want to turn this into a who's killed the most infidels topic (because, frankly, I think xianity wins handsdown). Both religions have had horrible things done in its name, but its not fair to anyone to lump all the innocent, religious people with the murders. It's intellectually dishonest.
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19th August 2010, 07:08 AM	#572
elbe Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: near a man named leroy brown Posts: 3,548	Originally Posted by amb The congressional elections are at the end of this year are they not? And what? The individual congressional candidates may or may not have made any comments regarding the mosque, either pro or against. But I guess this is politics, guilt by association is a key strategy.
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19th August 2010, 07:15 AM	#573
Mister Earl Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,102	I don't buy the whole "It's none of our business" bit. I'm seeing Americans trying to interfere with the rights of other Americans for reasons I see as relating to bigotry. Whenever a majority tries to use their weight to oppress a minority and deny them rights they majority enjoys themselves, it's everyone's business to correct that. Just my humble opinion.

19th August 2010, 09:07 AM	#574
GreNME Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 8,283	Originally Posted by amb When was the last time that a christian blew themselves up as well as whoever happened to be nearby?? So, you're still conflating terrorists who are Muslim with all Muslims. Okay, do you have a clear (and preferably intellectually honest) reason for doing so?
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19th August 2010, 01:10 PM	#575
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 20,947	he's claiming that if a Muslim is not a terrorist, then it's really not a Muslim.
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19th August 2010, 01:13 PM	#576
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken he's claiming that if a Muslim is not a terrorist, then it's really not a Muslim. yes, many folks are indeed making this claim. ALL Islam is extremist. Moderate Islam does not exist, and anyone who claims to be a moderate Muslim is either a liar or a fake Muslim. True Muslims, suport jihad and/or genocide of non-Muslims. This is their assertion. And it is disgusting.

19th August 2010, 01:38 PM	#577
Corsair 115 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 8,547	Originally Posted by GreNME I also heard there might possibly be a daycare center as well. Uh oh, sounds like Rep. Gohmert was right after all about the terror babies!
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19th August 2010, 02:01 PM	#578
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,782	Originally Posted by amb It the duty of every muslim to convert by whatever means every man woman and child to islam. It's right there in their qu'ran. A moderate muslim is not a true follower of islam. When a single muslim migrates to another country, it's really two migrating. The muslim and Allah. Throughout the Western world if politicians only stop and listen, up to two thirds do not want any more muslims in their countries. Let alone allowing them to build madrases and mosques in their mist. Please offer proof from a reliable source for any of the above. I ain't holding my breath for a response.

19th August 2010, 02:04 PM	#579
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by GreNME I also heard there might possibly be a daycare center as well. I'm sorry...but are you saying that these Muslims are reproducing???? well, that changes everything. Muslims can live here, but once they start making more Muslims, I have a problem. looks like they are trying to take over.

19th August 2010, 02:09 PM	#580
GreNME Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 8,283	Did I mention the swimming pool?
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19th August 2010, 02:10 PM	#581
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by GreNME Did I mention the swimming pool? no doubt this pool will be filled with the blood of kafirs and infidels. and maybe some 9-11 victims.

19th August 2010, 02:19 PM	#582
Cleon King of the Pod People Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 20,503	Originally Posted by Thunder no doubt this pool will be filled with the blood of kafirs and infidels. and maybe some 9-11 victims. And the tears of babies.
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20th August 2010, 01:05 AM	#583
Chaos TAM Chocolate Dispenser Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Heart of Old Europe Posts: 9,774	Originally Posted by Cleon And the tears of babies. Jewish babies, of course.
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20th August 2010, 01:35 AM	#584
Debaser Muse Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 806	Originally Posted by Chaos Jewish babies, of course. Well, they are so kind to the skin...I use them daily...

20th August 2010, 02:34 AM	#585
amb Guest Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Western Australia Posts: 21,408	Originally Posted by elbe And what? The individual congressional candidates may or may not have made any comments regarding the mosque, either pro or against. But I guess this is politics, guilt by association is a key strategy. The latest polling in the States says that 31% of the population think Obama is a muslim. He isn't. But if he gets re-elected after one term it will be very surprising, even if he's against Sarah Palin. Watch the carnage at the forthcoming congressional elections. Obama should have said he was against the building of this mosque from day one. 61 % of American are. Only 21% are for it. The rest don't know/care.

20th August 2010, 02:42 AM	#586
Eddie Dane Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,413	Just read a newspaper article about the imam of the proposed mosque. The guy is not just a moderate, he's a text-book, poster-boy moderate! He's involved in inter-faith dialog, writes pro-American books and is used for diplomatic missions to the Islamic world. And that last thing he has been doing during the Bush administration! The people who oppose this live in bizarro-world. And lemme guess, these are probably the same teabagger nutbars that usually think that the constitution is a thing of God-like perfection. Well, if they want to stop this thing, they better have the GOP propose a constitutional amendment prohibiting a specific religious group opening a house of worship within X miles from the location of a terrorist attack...or something. In the meantime: Dutch national embarrassment and hairstyling disaster, Geert Wilders will speak in NY against the opening of a mosque ON Ground Zero. I think I need a drink.

20th August 2010, 02:54 AM	#587
amb Guest Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Western Australia Posts: 21,408	Originally Posted by dudalb Please offer proof from a reliable source for any of the above. I ain't holding my breath for a response. " Your lord inspired the angels with the message: " I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes. " Koran 8:12. ''Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war. " Koran 9-5 " So fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief non muslims] and all submit to the religion of allah alone in the whole world." Koran 8:39. Shall I go on? As for other proof that up to 80% of Westerners do not want any more muslims in their mist, check out the various polls that are sometimes published by brave newspapers who are not afraid of political correctness.

20th August 2010, 03:02 AM	#588
amb Guest Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Western Australia Posts: 21,408	Originally Posted by Eddie Dane Just read a newspaper article about the imam of the proposed mosque. The guy is not just a moderate, he's a text-book, poster-boy moderate! He's involved in inter-faith dialog, writes pro-American books and is used for diplomatic missions to the Islamic world. And that last thing he has been doing during the Bush administration! The people who oppose this live in bizarro-world. And lemme guess, these are probably the same teabagger nutbars that usually think that the constitution is a thing of God-like perfection. Well, if they want to stop this thing, they better have the GOP propose a constitutional amendment prohibiting a specific religious group opening a house of worship within X miles from the location of a terrorist attack...or something. In the meantime: Dutch national embarrassment and hairstyling disaster, Geert Wilders will speak in NY against the opening of a mosque ON Ground Zero. I think I need a drink. Is this the very same iman who has not ruled out accepting money for the project even from terrorist states such as Iran? Or from Saudi Arabia? [which is a dictatorship]

20th August 2010, 03:05 AM	#589
Eddie Dane Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,413	Originally Posted by amb Is this the very same iman who has not ruled out accepting money for the project even from terrorist states such as Iran? Or from Saudi Arabia? [which is a dictatorship] I don't know. I don't get my information from Fox news.

20th August 2010, 03:59 AM	#590
linusrichard Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lansing, Mich. Posts: 2,663	Originally Posted by amb Is this the very same iman who has not ruled out accepting money for the project even from terrorist states such as Iran? Or from Saudi Arabia? [which is a dictatorship] Is this the very same Iman who is married to David Bowie? Bowie has made some very disturbing pro-fascist statements and gestures. I think we need answers to these questions before we allow this project to go forward.
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20th August 2010, 04:12 AM	#591
amb Guest Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Western Australia Posts: 21,408	Originally Posted by Eddie Dane I don't know. I don't get my information from Fox news. This is from the Washington Post...........A new Time-SRBI poll found that 61% of Americans opposed building the center. Nearly twice as many people said the center, and the mosque inside it, would be an insult to 9/11 victims than said it would be a symbol of religious tolerance. Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, facing a stiff re-election challemge, came out against the project after his Republican rival Sharron Angle pressed him on the issue.

20th August 2010, 04:14 AM	#592
amb Guest Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Western Australia Posts: 21,408	Originally Posted by linusrichard Is this the very same Iman who is married to David Bowie? Bowie has made some very disturbing pro-fascist statements and gestures. I think we need answers to these questions before we allow this project to go forward. No!!

20th August 2010, 04:19 AM	#593
JihadJane Penultimate Satisfaction Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 42,653	Originally Posted by amb The latest polling in the States says that 31% of the population think Obama is a muslim. He isn't. But if he gets re-elected after one term it will be very surprising, even if he's against Sarah Palin. Watch the carnage at the forthcoming congressional elections. Obama should have said he was against the building of this mosque from day one. 61 % of American are. Only 21% are for it. The rest don't know/care. Insane nation.
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20th August 2010, 04:22 AM	#594
JihadJane Penultimate Satisfaction Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 42,653	Originally Posted by amb When was the last time that a christian blew themselves up as well as whoever happened to be nearby?? Brave Christians have got remotely operated drones to achieve the end and they're doing a great job!
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20th August 2010, 04:28 AM	#595
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 8,165	Originally Posted by amb When was the last time that a christian blew themselves up as well as whoever happened to be nearby?? Let me introduce you to the Lord's Resistance Army. I'll grant you that they don't use suicide bombers, but is really "murder, abduction, mutilation, sexual enslavement of women and children, and forcing children to participate in hostilities" much better if they don't do it by blowing themselves up?