[Merged] Two Mosques to be built near Ground Zero - Page 6

AvalonXQ · 17th June 2010, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Lurker

At a conservative site I lurk at this came up and they too went on and on about the eviiils of Islam using the same language you refer to above. A fellow conservative pointed out to them the first amendment and the government cannot stop them from building the mosque the rest of them turned on him and reviled him for his lack of understanding the Constitution. If I recall correctly their arguments were one of either:

1. The bill of rights only restricts what the federal government can do. State and local government are ok to discriminate on the basis of religion.

2. Islam does not qualify as a religion

3. The Constitution is not a suicide pact and in times of war, like this, we can suspend certain parts of it.

The poor conservative who argued against these self-proclaimed "constitutionalists" was ridiculed roundly and accused of being a liberal.

ETA: I forgot to add that they all know that teh mosque will become a training ground for new terrorists. Seriously.

Which site is this?

Thunder · 18th June 2010, 05:08 PM

http://wcbstv.com/local/staten.island.mosque.2.1760381.html

Looks like the parish Priest for the convent in SI is having second thoughts.

Check out this statement by a neighbor, of why she doesn't want the sale to go through:

"Resident Debra Pulice said she felt betrayed by the Archdiocese.

"One of the Ten Commandments is, 'Do not worship false Gods.' So for a Catholic church to sell this to what we would perceive as a false God, that's what really hurt me," she said. "

No, Mrs. Pulice. Muslims and Christians worship the same God.

Damn you people are stupid.

AvalonXQ · 21st June 2010, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Thunder

No, Mrs. Pulice. Muslims and Christians worship the same God.

Many Christians do not believe this.

GreNME · 21st June 2010, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by AvalonXQ

Many Christians do not believe this.

Oh, well, that makes it okay then.

Thunder · 7th July 2010, 02:01 PM

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/ground....2.1792024.html

and now State-wide politics, has entered the fray.

GOP candidate Lazio wants Dem. candidate Cuomo, who is currently NY AG, to investigate the funding of the mosque/rec. center.

and still, folks are accusing this mosque of being "at" Ground Zero, and even "on" Ground Zero.

New York truly has its share of morons and bigots.

Thunder · 13th July 2010, 07:14 PM

today, the bigots were at Hunter College, arguing how this mosque and cultural center is an act of treason and a victory for terrorists.

i wish I could have been there, to show them what I think of their bigoted views.

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/ground....2.1801452.html

MikeMangum · 9th August 2010, 11:29 AM

While I don't support the government preventing a mosque from being built close to ground zero, I also don't mind calling a spade a spade. It is being built by a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood, and the very name and location are strongly indicative that the whole purpose is triumphalism (it is to be named the 'Cordoba House').

Mischief in Manhattan:
We Muslims know the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation

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New York currently boasts at least 30 mosques so it's not as if there is pressing need to find space for worshippers. The fact we Muslims know the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation to thumb our noses at the infidel. The proposal has been made in bad faith and in Islamic parlance, such an act is referred to as "Fitna," meaning "mischief-making" that is clearly forbidden in the Koran.

Thunder · 9th August 2010, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by MikeMangum

It is being built by a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood,

proof?

thought not. what the hell does some fool in Ottawa know about the Cordoba Institute? they look pretty tolerant and moderate to me, and I have no problem with them buiding a mosque anywhere in NYC.

plus, I am a New Yorker and a Jew.

AvalonXQ · 9th August 2010, 12:05 PM

Thunder's got it right on this one. Let them build their cultural center.
The bigots who are saying otherwise are really starting to bother me. Palin lost my respect over this issue.

KingMerv00 · 9th August 2010, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by AvalonXQ

Palin lost my respect over this issue.

Better late than never.

Bell · 9th August 2010, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Thunder

proof?

thought not. what the hell does some fool in Ottawa know about the Cordoba Institute? they look pretty tolerant and moderate to me, and I have no problem with them buiding a mosque anywhere in NYC.

plus, I am a New Yorker and a Jew.

No man! This is important. Wilders himself is willing to fly to New York and protest this

ddt · 9th August 2010, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Bell

No man! This is important. Wilders himself is willing to fly to New York and protest this

While we're still in negotiations over a new government, and especially at the moment over a coalition which includes Wilders' party. Nice set of priorities does he have. Can't you just keep him there?

Ladewig · 9th August 2010, 03:37 PM

I see no reason to try to stop them: partly because I love the Constitution and partly because any legal challenge against them is doomed.

I am unsure what to make of their desire to open it on the tenth anniversary of 9/11. That part leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

TraneWreck · 9th August 2010, 03:39 PM

I don't want to read the whole thread. There is nothing complex, subtle, or controversial about this issue. That's not a slam on people posting, just an excuse for my laziness if I'm covering well-trodden ground.

I just wanted to ask if anyone had pointed out that THERE'S A MOSQUE IN THE PENTAGON:

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/w...trate_pentagon

The ability to suddenly be offended by things when elections are approaching is amazing.

Bell · 9th August 2010, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by ddt

While we're still in negotiations over a new government, and especially at the moment over a coalition which includes Wilders' party. Nice set of priorities does he have.

But it is a top priority for a Dutch politician to have his opinion heard on the building of a mosque in New York City a couple of blocks away from the World Trade Center site. He has to think of his nujij.nl audience.

And maybe he feels it is his cause because New York has Dutch roots, when Dutch immigrants came to America and settled there. And now he has to protect those Dutch roots from Islam and foreign immigrants bringing Islam to New York

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Can't you just keep him there?

Why do you hate New York?

Bell · 9th August 2010, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by TraneWreck

I don't want to read the whole thread. There is nothing complex, subtle, or controversial about this issue. That's not a slam on people posting, just an excuse for my laziness if I'm covering well-trodden ground.

I just wanted to ask if anyone had pointed out that THERE'S A MOSQUE IN THE PENTAGON:

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/w...trate_pentagon

The ability to suddenly be offended by things when elections are approaching is amazing.

Riiight... I hope that reporter is being sarcastic. Either that or a huge bigot.

TraneWreck · 9th August 2010, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Bell

Riiight... I hope that reporter is being sarcastic. Either that or a huge bigot.

The opening should give you a hint:

"The "ground zero mosque" story seems to be dying down, but nothing lays bare the absurdity of what we've just lived through quite so much as this Washington Times story, quoted above, from 2007."

I think his point is pretty clear.

ddt · 9th August 2010, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Bell

But it is a top priority for a Dutch politician to have his opinion heard on the building of a mosque in New York City a couple of blocks away from the World Trade Center site. He has to think of his nujij.nl audience.

Ah yes, those 1.5 million morons who voted for him may not be disenfranchised.

Shouldn't his salary as MP not be cut for the days he is absent without leave?

Originally Posted by Bell

And maybe he feels it is his cause because New York has Dutch roots, when Dutch immigrants came to America and settled there. And now he has to protect those Dutch roots from Islam and foreign immigrants bringing Islam to New York

Originally Posted by Bell

Why do you hate New York?

Sorry. I hope he is a bit careless in crossing the street, then.

And obligatory comment on the mosque issue: what a non-issue and what a bunch of bigots to complain about this.

Sledge · 9th August 2010, 06:47 PM

Parky, would you be ok with the mosque being built if the Imam was a transsexual?

Thunder · 9th August 2010, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Sledge

Parky, would you be ok with the mosque being built if the Imam was a transsexual?

jimtron · 9th August 2010, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Sledge

Parky, would you be ok with the mosque being built if the Imam was a transsexual?

I think you just invented a new religion--congrats!

RedRatSnake · 9th August 2010, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

I am unsure what to make of their desire to open it on the tenth anniversary of 9/11. That part leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I am with you on that

Sledge · 9th August 2010, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by jimtron

I think you just invented a new religion--congrats!

Praise Allah!

Polaris · 10th August 2010, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by ddt

Ah yes, those 1.5 million morons who voted for him may not be disenfranchised.

Shouldn't his salary as MP not be cut for the days he is absent without leave?

Sorry. I hope he is a bit careless in crossing the street, then.

And obligatory comment on the mosque issue: what a non-issue and what a bunch of bigots to complain about this.

Is it really that hard to understand why people would see the building of two mosques near Ground Zero on the anniversary of 9/11 as an Islamic version of raising the flag on Mt. Suribachi?

Cleon · 10th August 2010, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by Polaris

Is it really that hard to understand why people would see the building of two mosques near Ground Zero on the anniversary of 9/11

All evidence points to the 9/11/11 date as being an unsubstantiated rumor. The fact that you keep repeating it as fact, despite having been informed of its dubious nature, speaks volumes about your honesty.

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as an Islamic version of raising the flag on Mt. Suribachi?

No, it's easy to see why people see it that way; because they associate all 1.6 billion Muslims with a handful of fanatics. It's called "prejudice." It's irrational and fundamentally logically unsound.

And like all viewpoints based on prejudice, it suffers from the handicap of being fundamentally stupid.

What's the "victory" that this community center supposedly represents? That Muslims can openly worship, hold classes, and (Allah forbid!) swim in the United States? Well, in that case the past ten years have been utterly pointless - because Muslims already had that right.

The only victory I see this center representing is the victory over 9/11. It's victory over intolerance and hatred. We will not reduce ourselves to conspiracy theories and petty bigotry. We're better than that.

At least, we'd better be.

ddt · 11th August 2010, 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by Polaris

Is it really that hard to understand why people would see the building of two mosques near Ground Zero on the anniversary of 9/11 as an Islamic version of raising the flag on Mt. Suribachi?

Originally Posted by Cleon

All evidence points to the 9/11/11 date as being an unsubstantiated rumor. The fact that you keep repeating it as fact, despite having been informed of its dubious nature, speaks volumes about your honesty.

This. And about the "near", I understand that it's about a mile away. Should we apply the same yardstick to the place where Theo van Gogh was murdered and preclude mosques from half of Amsterdam?

Originally Posted by Cleon

No, it's easy to see why people see it that way; because they associate all 1.6 billion Muslims with a handful of fanatics. It's called "prejudice." It's irrational and fundamentally logically unsound.

And like all viewpoints based on prejudice, it suffers from the handicap of being fundamentally stupid.

And Wilders is one of those. And please explain to me, Polaris, as you included also that part of my post in your reply, what a Dutch MP has to do there? When he wants to travel around the world speaking of the, in his view, dangers of Islam, he should have chosen another job. He's elected to represent his voters, and right now, more than ever, that job is in the Netherlands, in coalition talks. If that goes well, around 9/11 he'll have to be in Parliament to discuss the coalition agreement, either as Minister or as MP.

Thunder · 11th August 2010, 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by Polaris

Is it really that hard to understand why people would see the building of two mosques near Ground Zero on the anniversary of 9/11 as an Islamic version of raising the flag on Mt. Suribachi?

lie.

Fishstick · 11th August 2010, 06:32 AM

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Greg Gutfeld from Fox News’ Red Eye announced today via his blog that he is actively speaking to investors and plans on opening a gay bar next to the controversial mosque being built near Ground Zero in New York. To make matters worse (better?) the bar will be specifically designed to cater to homosexuals of the Islamic faith. God, this is going to be an exciting block.

Source. Personally I think it's a great idea. For one this is probably the first pro-gay thing Fox has ever done, and they actually think the people of that community center will care at all when there's already multiple strip clubs and bars on the same block. On the other hand it's blatantly obvious the only reason they're doing this is to bait some muslim into going "hmm i don't know about that" so they can go "SEE?? They're just as bigoted as us!"

Lurker · 11th August 2010, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by AvalonXQ

Which site is this?

sorry, I missed your query.

freeconservatives . com

Eddie Dane · 11th August 2010, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by ddt

And Wilders is one of those. And please explain to me, Polaris, as you included also that part of my post in your reply, what a Dutch MP has to do there? When he wants to travel around the world speaking of the, in his view, dangers of Islam, he should have chosen another job. He's elected to represent his voters, and right now, more than ever, that job is in the Netherlands, in coalition talks. If that goes well, around 9/11 he'll have to be in Parliament to discuss the coalition agreement, either as Minister or as MP.

Wilders' platform is anti-Islam + economic policies borrowed from the far-left.

Since he is about to get into a coalition with two of the most fiscally conservative parties, he is likely to sell his voters out on each-and-every economic promise he made.

Expect him to make a lot of noise about symbolic issues to cover that up.

Fishstick · 11th August 2010, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by Fishstick

Source. Personally I think it's a great idea. For one this is probably the first pro-gay thing Fox has ever done, and they actually think the people of that community center will care at all when there's already multiple strip clubs and bars on the same block. On the other hand it's blatantly obvious the only reason they're doing this is to bait some muslim into going "hmm i don't know about that" so they can go "SEE?? They're just as bigoted as us!"

Looks like the MAS already responded:

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The Muslim American Society also questioned Gutfield's intent. "Any mosque that's built in America is not built with the idea of having contentious or hostile relations with any other community around it," Human and Civil Rights program director Ibrahim Ramey told NBCNewYork. "We have our own faith and our own values but we certainly aren't going to attack other people even though they have values and orientations that are not necessarily of our faith and our religion."

"It's a free country...if [Gutfield] wanted to do that it would suggest that the idea of this location being some kind of quote-unquote sacred space...is obviously not true." Ramey added that "We doubt very seriously that the proposed initiative would have any direct connection with or patronage from people attending the mosque."

Source.

Paradox74 · 11th August 2010, 07:01 AM

Two questions that I have:

Exactly how close to Ground Zero are the sites for these Mosques?

Do these people have plans to honor the "martyrs" of Islam at Ground Zero? If so then how can they call up a crowd in NYC with that??!

Eddie Dane · 11th August 2010, 07:05 AM

This is how FOX ended up opening a gay bar, a salami stand, a Richard Dawkins shrine, an Israel Tourist Bureau office, a liquor store and a pig abattoir.

And still nobody cared.

aaaawww.

Thunder · 11th August 2010, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by Paradox74

Two questions that I have:

Exactly how close to Ground Zero are the sites for these Mosques?

2.5 blocks away, and out of sight from GZ.

Cleon · 11th August 2010, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by Fishstick

Looks like the MAS already responded:

Source.

Curse those extremist bastards and their, uh, respect of the right to free association.

Cleon · 11th August 2010, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by Paradox74

Two questions that I have:

Exactly how close to Ground Zero are the sites for these Mosques?

Not very - 2.5 blocks, which is a world and a half away in Manhattan.

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Do these people have plans to honor the "martyrs" of Islam at Ground Zero?

What? No, of course they don't. The leadership of this mosque has been explicit in its rejection of terrorism and extremism. It saddens me no end that people refuse to accept this.

ddt · 11th August 2010, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by Eddie Dane

Wilders' platform is anti-Islam + economic policies borrowed from the far-left.

Hmm, his "economic policies" are a mish-mash, not grounded in any ideology or political orientation - he basically threw a bone for everyone: the poor got the promise that the age of entitlement for Social Security is not raised, and the middle-income and rich the promise that the tax deductibility of mortgage interest payments will not be touched, and a lot more which basically amounted to that he promised to do no budget cuts at all.

Originally Posted by Eddie Dane

Since he is about to get into a coalition with two of the most fiscally conservative parties, he is likely to sell his voters out on each-and-every economic promise he made.

Yes, he needs to because he promised too much.

Originally Posted by Eddie Dane

Expect him to make a lot of noise about symbolic issues to cover that up.

Oh yes. He already angered Christian-Democrat leader Verhagen with his plans to go to NYC. This coalition is going to be fun. I expect new elections before May next year. Hopefully earlier, so next year's budget will be made by a real government instead of civil servants.

Ladewig · 11th August 2010, 07:53 AM

Does anyone have the answer to these questions handy? If not, I'll start Googling.

Is it a mosque, a cultural center or both?

What is the address?

Does it have an official website?

Cleon · 11th August 2010, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

Does anyone have the answer to these questions handy? If not, I'll start Googling.

Is it a mosque, a cultural center or both?

Both. The plan is for a community center, not unlike a Jewish Community Center. Inside there will be exercise facilities, a swimming pool, classrooms, and yes, one floor will be a mosque.

Quote:

What is the address?

Does it have an official website?

Here you go.

GreyArea · 11th August 2010, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

What is the address?

A few pages back I linked to a Google street view of 51 Park Place. Here it is again.

17th June 2010, 11:08 AM	#201
AvalonXQ Guest Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 11,853	Originally Posted by Lurker At a conservative site I lurk at this came up and they too went on and on about the eviiils of Islam using the same language you refer to above. A fellow conservative pointed out to them the first amendment and the government cannot stop them from building the mosque the rest of them turned on him and reviled him for his lack of understanding the Constitution. If I recall correctly their arguments were one of either: 1. The bill of rights only restricts what the federal government can do. State and local government are ok to discriminate on the basis of religion. 2. Islam does not qualify as a religion 3. The Constitution is not a suicide pact and in times of war, like this, we can suspend certain parts of it. The poor conservative who argued against these self-proclaimed "constitutionalists" was ridiculed roundly and accused of being a liberal. ETA: I forgot to add that they all know that teh mosque will become a training ground for new terrorists. Seriously. Which site is this?
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21st June 2010, 11:57 AM	#203
AvalonXQ Guest Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 11,853	Originally Posted by Thunder No, Mrs. Pulice. Muslims and Christians worship the same God. Many Christians do not believe this.
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9th August 2010, 11:29 AM	#207
MikeMangum Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,725	While I don't support the government preventing a mosque from being built close to ground zero, I also don't mind calling a spade a spade. It is being built by a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood, and the very name and location are strongly indicative that the whole purpose is triumphalism (it is to be named the 'Cordoba House'). Mischief in Manhattan: We Muslims know the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation Quote: New York currently boasts at least 30 mosques so it's not as if there is pressing need to find space for worshippers. The fact we Muslims know the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation to thumb our noses at the infidel. The proposal has been made in bad faith and in Islamic parlance, such an act is referred to as "Fitna," meaning "mischief-making" that is clearly forbidden in the Koran.
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9th August 2010, 12:02 PM	#208
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by MikeMangum It is being built by a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood, proof? thought not. what the hell does some fool in Ottawa know about the Cordoba Institute? they look pretty tolerant and moderate to me, and I have no problem with them buiding a mosque anywhere in NYC. plus, I am a New Yorker and a Jew.
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18th June 2010, 05:08 PM	#202
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	http://wcbstv.com/local/staten.island.mosque.2.1760381.html Looks like the parish Priest for the convent in SI is having second thoughts. Check out this statement by a neighbor, of why she doesn't want the sale to go through: "Resident Debra Pulice said she felt betrayed by the Archdiocese. "One of the Ten Commandments is, 'Do not worship false Gods.' So for a Catholic church to sell this to what we would perceive as a false God, that's what really hurt me," she said. " No, Mrs. Pulice. Muslims and Christians worship the same God. Damn you people are stupid.

7th July 2010, 02:01 PM	#205
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	http://wcbstv.com/topstories/ground....2.1792024.html and now State-wide politics, has entered the fray. GOP candidate Lazio wants Dem. candidate Cuomo, who is currently NY AG, to investigate the funding of the mosque/rec. center. and still, folks are accusing this mosque of being "at" Ground Zero, and even "on" Ground Zero. New York truly has its share of morons and bigots.

13th July 2010, 07:14 PM	#206
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	today, the bigots were at Hunter College, arguing how this mosque and cultural center is an act of treason and a victory for terrorists. i wish I could have been there, to show them what I think of their bigoted views. http://wcbstv.com/topstories/ground....2.1801452.html

9th August 2010, 12:05 PM	#209
AvalonXQ Guest Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 11,853	Thunder's got it right on this one. Let them build their cultural center. The bigots who are saying otherwise are really starting to bother me. Palin lost my respect over this issue.
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9th August 2010, 12:08 PM	#210
KingMerv00 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA...USA Posts: 14,482	Originally Posted by AvalonXQ Palin lost my respect over this issue. Better late than never.
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9th August 2010, 12:44 PM	#211
Bell beautiful freak Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 20,465	Originally Posted by Thunder proof? thought not. what the hell does some fool in Ottawa know about the Cordoba Institute? they look pretty tolerant and moderate to me, and I have no problem with them buiding a mosque anywhere in NYC. plus, I am a New Yorker and a Jew. No man! This is important. Wilders himself is willing to fly to New York and protest this
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ddt Mafia Penguin Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 10,323	Originally Posted by Bell No man! This is important. Wilders himself is willing to fly to New York and protest this While we're still in negotiations over a new government, and especially at the moment over a coalition which includes Wilders' party. Nice set of priorities does he have. Can't you just keep him there?
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9th August 2010, 03:37 PM	#213
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,803	I see no reason to try to stop them: partly because I love the Constitution and partly because any legal challenge against them is doomed. I am unsure what to make of their desire to open it on the tenth anniversary of 9/11. That part leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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9th August 2010, 03:39 PM	#214
TraneWreck Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Chicago Posts: 6,414	I don't want to read the whole thread. There is nothing complex, subtle, or controversial about this issue. That's not a slam on people posting, just an excuse for my laziness if I'm covering well-trodden ground. I just wanted to ask if anyone had pointed out that THERE'S A MOSQUE IN THE PENTAGON: http://www.salon.com/news/politics/w...trate_pentagon The ability to suddenly be offended by things when elections are approaching is amazing.
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9th August 2010, 03:45 PM	#215
Bell beautiful freak Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 20,465	Originally Posted by ddt While we're still in negotiations over a new government, and especially at the moment over a coalition which includes Wilders' party. Nice set of priorities does he have. But it is a top priority for a Dutch politician to have his opinion heard on the building of a mosque in New York City a couple of blocks away from the World Trade Center site. He has to think of his nujij.nl audience. And maybe he feels it is his cause because New York has Dutch roots, when Dutch immigrants came to America and settled there. And now he has to protect those Dutch roots from Islam and foreign immigrants bringing Islam to New York Quote: Can't you just keep him there? Why do you hate New York?
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9th August 2010, 03:52 PM	#216
Bell beautiful freak Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 20,465	Originally Posted by TraneWreck I don't want to read the whole thread. There is nothing complex, subtle, or controversial about this issue. That's not a slam on people posting, just an excuse for my laziness if I'm covering well-trodden ground. I just wanted to ask if anyone had pointed out that THERE'S A MOSQUE IN THE PENTAGON: http://www.salon.com/news/politics/w...trate_pentagon The ability to suddenly be offended by things when elections are approaching is amazing. Riiight... I hope that reporter is being sarcastic. Either that or a huge bigot.
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9th August 2010, 03:56 PM	#217
TraneWreck Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Chicago Posts: 6,414	Originally Posted by Bell Riiight... I hope that reporter is being sarcastic. Either that or a huge bigot. The opening should give you a hint: "The "ground zero mosque" story seems to be dying down, but nothing lays bare the absurdity of what we've just lived through quite so much as this Washington Times story, quoted above, from 2007." I think his point is pretty clear.

9th August 2010, 05:20 PM	#218
ddt Mafia Penguin Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 10,323	Originally Posted by Bell But it is a top priority for a Dutch politician to have his opinion heard on the building of a mosque in New York City a couple of blocks away from the World Trade Center site. He has to think of his nujij.nl audience. Ah yes, those 1.5 million morons who voted for him may not be disenfranchised. Shouldn't his salary as MP not be cut for the days he is absent without leave? Originally Posted by Bell And maybe he feels it is his cause because New York has Dutch roots, when Dutch immigrants came to America and settled there. And now he has to protect those Dutch roots from Islam and foreign immigrants bringing Islam to New York Originally Posted by Bell Why do you hate New York? Sorry. I hope he is a bit careless in crossing the street, then. And obligatory comment on the mosque issue: what a non-issue and what a bunch of bigots to complain about this.
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9th August 2010, 07:17 PM	#220
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by Sledge Parky, would you be ok with the mosque being built if the Imam was a transsexual?

9th August 2010, 08:04 PM	#221
jimtron Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,966	Originally Posted by Sledge Parky, would you be ok with the mosque being built if the Imam was a transsexual? I think you just invented a new religion--congrats!
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9th August 2010, 08:15 PM	#222
RedRatSnake Slithering Through life Join Date: May 2008 Location: Southie, Massachusetts. Posts: 1,625	Originally Posted by Ladewig I am unsure what to make of their desire to open it on the tenth anniversary of 9/11. That part leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I am with you on that

9th August 2010, 08:15 PM	#223
Sledge Grammaton Cleric Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Swingin' on a star Posts: 7,123	Originally Posted by jimtron I think you just invented a new religion--congrats! Praise Allah!
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10th August 2010, 08:43 PM	#224
Polaris Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,168	Originally Posted by ddt Ah yes, those 1.5 million morons who voted for him may not be disenfranchised. Shouldn't his salary as MP not be cut for the days he is absent without leave? Sorry. I hope he is a bit careless in crossing the street, then. And obligatory comment on the mosque issue: what a non-issue and what a bunch of bigots to complain about this. Is it really that hard to understand why people would see the building of two mosques near Ground Zero on the anniversary of 9/11 as an Islamic version of raising the flag on Mt. Suribachi?
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10th August 2010, 11:34 PM	#225
Cleon King of the Pod People Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 20,519	Originally Posted by Polaris Is it really that hard to understand why people would see the building of two mosques near Ground Zero on the anniversary of 9/11 All evidence points to the 9/11/11 date as being an unsubstantiated rumor. The fact that you keep repeating it as fact, despite having been informed of its dubious nature, speaks volumes about your honesty. Quote: as an Islamic version of raising the flag on Mt. Suribachi? No, it's easy to see why people see it that way; because they associate all 1.6 billion Muslims with a handful of fanatics. It's called "prejudice." It's irrational and fundamentally logically unsound. And like all viewpoints based on prejudice, it suffers from the handicap of being fundamentally stupid. What's the "victory" that this community center supposedly represents? That Muslims can openly worship, hold classes, and (Allah forbid!) swim in the United States? Well, in that case the past ten years have been utterly pointless - because Muslims already had that right. The only victory I see this center representing is the victory *over* 9/11. It's victory *over* intolerance and hatred. We will not reduce ourselves to conspiracy theories and petty bigotry. We're better than that. At least, we'd better be.
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11th August 2010, 12:35 AM	#226
ddt Mafia Penguin Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 10,323	Originally Posted by Polaris Is it really that hard to understand why people would see the building of two mosques near Ground Zero on the anniversary of 9/11 as an Islamic version of raising the flag on Mt. Suribachi? Originally Posted by Cleon All evidence points to the 9/11/11 date as being an unsubstantiated rumor. The fact that you keep repeating it as fact, despite having been informed of its dubious nature, speaks volumes about your honesty. This. And about the "near", I understand that it's about a mile away. Should we apply the same yardstick to the place where Theo van Gogh was murdered and preclude mosques from half of Amsterdam? Originally Posted by Cleon No, it's easy to see why people see it that way; because they associate all 1.6 billion Muslims with a handful of fanatics. It's called "prejudice." It's irrational and fundamentally logically unsound. And like all viewpoints based on prejudice, it suffers from the handicap of being fundamentally stupid. And Wilders is one of those. And please explain to me, Polaris, as you included also that part of my post in your reply, what a Dutch MP has to do there? When he wants to travel around the world speaking of the, in his view, dangers of Islam, he should have chosen another job. He's elected to represent his voters, and right now, more than ever, that job is in the Netherlands, in coalition talks. If that goes well, around 9/11 he'll have to be in Parliament to discuss the coalition agreement, either as Minister or as MP.
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11th August 2010, 05:49 AM	#227
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by Polaris Is it really that hard to understand why people would see the building of two mosques near Ground Zero on the anniversary of 9/11 as an Islamic version of raising the flag on Mt. Suribachi? lie.

11th August 2010, 06:32 AM	#228
Fishstick Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,303	Quote: Greg Gutfeld from Fox News’ Red Eye announced today via his blog that he is actively speaking to investors and plans on opening a gay bar next to the controversial mosque being built near Ground Zero in New York. To make matters worse (better?) the bar will be specifically designed to cater to homosexuals of the Islamic faith. God, this is going to be an exciting block. Source. Personally I think it's a great idea. For one this is probably the first pro-gay thing Fox has ever done, and they actually think the people of that community center will care at all when there's already multiple strip clubs and bars on the same block. On the other hand it's blatantly obvious the only reason they're doing this is to bait some muslim into going "hmm i don't know about that" so they can go "SEE?? They're just as bigoted as us!"
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11th August 2010, 06:43 AM	#229
Lurker Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,187	Originally Posted by AvalonXQ Which site is this? sorry, I missed your query. freeconservatives . com
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11th August 2010, 06:45 AM	#230
Eddie Dane Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,420	Originally Posted by ddt And Wilders is one of those. And please explain to me, Polaris, as you included also that part of my post in your reply, what a Dutch MP has to do there? When he wants to travel around the world speaking of the, in his view, dangers of Islam, he should have chosen another job. He's elected to represent his voters, and right now, more than ever, that job is in the Netherlands, in coalition talks. If that goes well, around 9/11 he'll have to be in Parliament to discuss the coalition agreement, either as Minister or as MP. Wilders' platform is anti-Islam + economic policies borrowed from the far-left. Since he is about to get into a coalition with two of the most fiscally conservative parties, he is likely to sell his voters out on each-and-every economic promise he made. Expect him to make a lot of noise about symbolic issues to cover that up.

11th August 2010, 06:54 AM	#231
Fishstick Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,303	Originally Posted by Fishstick Source. Personally I think it's a great idea. For one this is probably the first pro-gay thing Fox has ever done, and they actually think the people of that community center will care at all when there's already multiple strip clubs and bars on the same block. On the other hand it's blatantly obvious the only reason they're doing this is to bait some muslim into going "hmm i don't know about that" so they can go "SEE?? They're just as bigoted as us!" Looks like the MAS already responded: Quote: The Muslim American Society also questioned Gutfield's intent. "Any mosque that's built in America is not built with the idea of having contentious or hostile relations with any other community around it," Human and Civil Rights program director Ibrahim Ramey told NBCNewYork. "We have our own faith and our own values but we certainly aren't going to attack other people even though they have values and orientations that are not necessarily of our faith and our religion." "It's a free country...if [Gutfield] wanted to do that it would suggest that the idea of this location being some kind of quote-unquote sacred space...is obviously not true." Ramey added that "We doubt very seriously that the proposed initiative would have any direct connection with or patronage from people attending the mosque." Source.

11th August 2010, 07:01 AM	#232
Paradox74 Guest Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: United States Posts: 264	Two questions that I have: Exactly how close to Ground Zero are the sites for these Mosques? Do these people have plans to honor the "martyrs" of Islam at Ground Zero? If so then how can they call up a crowd in NYC with that??!

11th August 2010, 07:05 AM	#233
Eddie Dane Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,420	This is how FOX ended up opening a gay bar, a salami stand, a Richard Dawkins shrine, an Israel Tourist Bureau office, a liquor store and a pig abattoir. And still nobody cared. aaaawww.

11th August 2010, 07:05 AM	#234
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by Paradox74 Two questions that I have: Exactly how close to Ground Zero are the sites for these Mosques? 2.5 blocks away, and out of sight from GZ.

11th August 2010, 07:22 AM	#235
Cleon King of the Pod People Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 20,519	Originally Posted by Fishstick Looks like the MAS already responded: Source. Curse those extremist bastards and their, uh, respect of the right to free association.
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