(Ed) Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

[Toke]

Originally Posted by BobHaulk

their giro only pays for cider and weed

Yes, I agree he is airing a pipe dream, possibly copied from elsewhere.

Is giro some English term for welfare/transfer income?

[Captain_Swoop]

In the UK they would need an extraction license from the local Water Authority to pump water from the river and they would still have to pay an annual water 'rate'. All fresh water in the UK is the property of the water authorities. Even houses in the remote hills with water fed from streams or springs have to pay water rates (although at a less rate than someone on mains water)

[Captain_Swoop]

Originally Posted by Toke

Yes, I agree he is airing a pipe dream, possibly copied from elsewhere.

Is giro some English term for welfare/transfer income?

It's an obsolete term from the days when your Dole was payed into the Gyro Bank.

Girobank was a British public Bank Established by the Post Office in 1968. In 1990 it was bought by Alliance & Leicester Group.

Benefits haven't been paid into the 'Gyro' since the 80s but the name has stuck.

You used to get a cheque once a fortnight that you took to the Post office and they gave you the cash.

[Toke]

I see, thank you.
And yes it will not pay for an vacation/freeman resort in Canada.

[tsig]

Originally Posted by jargon buster

for a reasonable fee, one would hope

JB

There's already problems in HappyLand:


In any event, we spoke with the owner and investor yesterday, and they like the idea, but think it has to be started a little smaller, (I do always think big) and there were concerns about people living there full time. He did not like that part of the plan. Mostly he does not want ******** on his land.



Could this be referring to Rob?


ETA:******* = the brown spot in the middle of the buttocks.

[BobHaulk]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

It's an obsolete term from the days when your Dole was payed into the Gyro Bank.

Girobank was a British public Bank Established by the Post Office in 1968. In 1990 it was bought by Alliance & Leicester Group.

Benefits haven't been paid into the 'Gyro' since the 80s but the name has stuck.

You used to get a cheque once a fortnight that you took to the Post office and they gave you the cash.

i always though it was called a giro because when you received a cheque from the dole it had giro written on it. I did sign on briefly back in 1990 so it's been twenty years, things have probably changed.

[Captain_Swoop]

Giro was the name of the bank issuing the cheques, you cashed them through the post office. That's how they got their name.

[ArmillarySphere]

Funny, in communist Sweden giro is a method of payment - anonymized banking details, basically. I was surprised the concept didn't exist here in the UK, and people seem (quite justifiably) paranoid about giving their bank account numbers to others. No such worries with giro, as they're deposit-only accounts - you can withdraw from the actual account that's backing the number though.

[Captain_Swoop]

Money Launderes paradise sounds like

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Money Launderes paradise sounds like

A paradise for the work-shy.The unemployment benifit giros were paid weekly as far as I remember.I suppose that the freemen and women all have bank accounts nowadays,so they are spared the walk to the post office.

[Aitch]

Originally Posted by dafydd

A paradise for the work-shy.The unemployment benifit giros were paid weekly as far as I remember.I suppose that the freemen and women all have bank accounts nowadays,so they are spared the walk to the post office.

Mine was fortnightly; but that's about thirty years ago.

[Hans]

Quote:

Funny, in communist Sweden giro is a method of payment

no intention to derail just making a small correction

[jargon buster]

menard has left the battlefield over on ickes , he still pops back occasionally to pick the teeth from the dead but hes lost his minions.
apart from Yozhik (who may even be menard himself) and swiftex they have all deserted him, even merlincove the moderator has not stood up for him.
micklemus Sovereign Citizen thread drove the final nail in the coffin.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=127213
Yozhik and swiftex are doing their very best to derail it without success.

it looks like its job done.

JB

[BobHaulk]

Originally Posted by jargon buster

menard has left the battlefield over on ickes , he still pops back occasionally to pick the teeth from the dead but hes lost his minions.
apart from Yozhik (who may even be menard himself) and swiftex they have all deserted him, even merlincove the moderator has not stood up for him.
micklemus Sovereign Citizen thread drove the final nail in the coffin.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=127213
Yozhik and swiftex are doing their very best to derail it without success.

it looks like its job done.

JB

that's why i've left, the final straw was the freeman valley. I knew then that it was over for him. I don't think melinclone has deserted him though, not when you read some of the emails i had with warnings from him.
There is no doubt that yozhik is menard. I put it to him that he was yohzik with the weetabix scandal, off course he ignored it but since yozhik only contributes by defending rob and throwing insults it seems highly likely he is.
It was a fight that was needed especially when you read some of the sad characters on there living their lives with mental delusions,take bones and his stuff about his child going to school. His boy is three years old and about to attend nursery where he'll mix with kids,play in the sand, sing songs,draw pictures, you know the kind of thing that all kids love to do but bones thinks he's off to the indoctrination centre and the teachers or social workers will be looking for reasons to take him away from him. This kid has no chance when his dad is a nutter. It saddens me when the delusions from the icke site are more important to him than his own child's education. And they think they're not in a cult.
It's a disgusting place and icke is a total charlatan, worse than menard. Menard is just a forty five year old loser who live in a bedsit dreaming he's the leader of a world wide revolution, icke on the other hand accuses people of being a pedophile or offers medical advice or other disturbing things that lead the believers to become isolated from family and friends.
Ickes motivation is money and alcohol, oh yes he likes a drink.

[ArmillarySphere]

Originally Posted by Captain Swoop

Money Launderes paradise sounds like

The gubermint can still track transactions the same as usual. It's just that you get a number you can print on letterheads or put on your website with no fear of someone scamming money off your account.

Originally Posted by Hans

no intention to derail just making a small correction

I'm an expat Swede - I'm allowed to poke fun at my own country.

And now back to our regular FMOTL discussion...

[Hans]

Originally Posted by ArmillarySphere

I'm an expat Swede - I'm allowed to poke fun at my own country.

And now back to our regular FMOTL discussion...

You are forgiven - partial Dane here

[jargon buster]

Conman ,clown or something worse?
Rob has alleged in the past that he had a child taken from him by social services thats why he started his crusade.
He even started a website about it
I suggest you read the letter he sent to SS and make up your own minds.
http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion/elizabeth/

In a debate about consent on David Ickes he wrote this

Quote:

Jesus was not a respecter of statutes and rules made up by the Pharisees and Sadducees.

He was also the product of a young woman maybe a virgin, though likely a victim of rape, likely close to 14 years of age, and a mature and very much older man (likely closer to 35 years of age, as he was dead by the time Jesus was 12) and they ran in the dead of night to escape the 'statutes' of their day, and crossed state lines to avoid the 'authorities'.

I know brian is trying to trap me, and will try to use the birth of Christ and the circumstances surrounding his birth, to claim I am not a supporter of the Christian foundation, that being that a much older man saved a young woman from a stoning for being pregnant with Christ, and that he ran with her, and avoided the statute enforcers of HIS day, and was an older male with a very young pregnant girl, pregnant with a child that was not his own..... and he was running from the statutes of his day... and HE FELT GOD HAD TOLD HIM TO DO SO!!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...=129894&page=8

washing his dirty laundry in public or openly and proudly justifying his actions.

All very strange

[LizardLover]

Originally Posted by jargon buster

menard has left the battlefield over on ickes , he still pops back occasionally to pick the teeth from the dead but hes lost his minions.
apart from Yozhik (who may even be menard himself) and swiftex they have all deserted him, even merlincove the moderator has not stood up for him.
micklemus Sovereign Citizen thread drove the final nail in the coffin.

it looks like its job done.

JB

Merl is still there defending Rob to the end. I've received 4 warnings for even mentioning Rob nowadays, I've lost 6 demerit points on the forums, whatever that means. Guess it means I can't go on the class trip or something.

I posted that site of Robs and tried to show Rob was a liar, that child isn't even his, post deleted, more demerit points lost.

[D'rok]

Bump for some chuckles.

Menard thinks that George Lucas well offer to settle over Menard's violation of the Lucasfilm C-3PO trademark.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131662

Yup. Menard thinks Lucas will pay him.

BTW: If the person who sent the email mentioned on that thread also is a member here - the issue is trademarks, not copyright. Lucasfilm should probably be notified that some loon is name-jacking one of their trademarks in order to advertise a service.

[Horatius]

Originally Posted by D'rok

Yup. Menard thinks Lucas will pay him.

My God, I really thought you had misunderstood him..... I almost feel sorry for him. Almost. Then I picture the ass reaming Lucas' Lawyers are likely to give him, and I stop feeling sore sorry.

[D'rok]

Originally Posted by Horatius

My God, I really thought you had misunderstood him..... I almost feel sorry for him. Almost. Then I picture the ass reaming Lucas' Lawyers are likely to give him, and I stop feeling sore sorry.

If he gets a cease and desist from Lucasfilm, I think he should fight it with an FMOTL-style defence.

It's the least he can do to keep us entertained.

[Captain_Swoop]

He is too clever to believe that a FMOTL Defence would actualy work.

[D'rok]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

He is too clever to believe that a FMOTL Defence would actualy work.

Unfortunately true. Except for the clever part.

[catsmate1]

Originally Posted by D'rok

Unfortunately true. Except for the clever part.

Well you don't need to be clever to understand TMOTLism won't work; just being mentally normal should be enough.

[Captain_Swoop]

Where he s clever is in pushing it to make cash but keeping out of it himself.

[talkie toaster]

[quote=BobHaulk;6187078,take bones and his stuff about his child going to school. His boy is three years old and about to attend nursery where he'll mix with kids,play in the sand, sing songs,draw pictures, you know the kind of thing that all kids love to do but bones thinks he's off to the indoctrination centre and the teachers or social workers will be looking for reasons to take him away from him. This kid has no chance when his dad is a nutter..[/QUOTE]

He's had another new addition, a girl,
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131936

another one no doubt that''ll piggy back on the heard immunity as he seems..........forceful about jabs and vaccinations.

He's even drawn the line at the heel prick test, concerned about the removal of blood, it's a sodding heel prick test not a bleeding transfusion. Claims you can test for those disorders in urine from 6 weeks, don't know if this true.

I guess he won't be claiming the extra child benefit because of his freeman views, the NHS hospital was good enough for them though as was the CHEMICALLY induced labour but not the vit K injection.

[jargon buster]

I wouldn't worry too much about him claiming child benefits as the child will more than likely end up with social services, hes certainly helping them tick all the right boxes.

JB

[talkie toaster]

Originally Posted by jargon buster

I wouldn't worry too much about him claiming child benefits as the child will more than likely end up with social services, hes certainly helping them tick all the right boxes.

JB

Then the whole DIcke site can launch into a "State sponsored Child stealing Paedophile " thread and get all orgasmic over the oppression of the down trodden masses by gov't and the BildeIlluminRothsBerg connection.

I digress, I'll get me cloth.

[jargon buster]

I spotted this on Ickes
Menard Wrote

Quote:

I DO NOT GO TO FORUMS WHICH ARE IN DIRECT OPPOSITION TO MY FUNDAMENTAL BELIEFS! To do so, would be insane would it not?

Steven 1 then wrote

Quote:

really?
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=155358&page=30
http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/view...php?f=8&t=3019

Why did you go and post on the randi and quatloos forums?

merlincove the moderator then stepped in immediately and wrote

Quote:

moved to the rant room as the thread was nothing more than a diatribe of negativity that doesn't belong anywhere else.

So its now only visible to members so i cant post you a link
its disgusting the amount of protection he gets on there
may be even a stundie?

[Horatius]

Originally Posted by jargon buster

may be even a stundie?

Nah, that looks like nothing more than a flat-out lie. If we started nominating those, we'd never stop.....But it was a beautiful take-down of that pompous ass...

[jargon buster]

Menard has claimed a big success in Canada for FMOTL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EzJs...layer_embedded

and hes serious, not joking at all
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=133024

JB

[LightinDarkness]

Originally Posted by jargon buster

Menard has claimed a big success in Canada for FMOTL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EzJs...layer_embedded

and hes serious, not joking at all
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=133024

JB

This really shows FMOTLers are living in a different reality. You watch that video and what do you see? Some guy making a judge mad, a judge threatening him with contempt, a judge putting the court into a temporary recess (it could have been for any reason). Thats a win...how?

My favorite part is when they recessed and the guy SCREAMED "ON AND FOR THE RECORD THE JUDGE HAS ABANDONED THE SHIP AND I AS A SOVEREIGN CITIZEN DECLARE THE CASE DISMISSED WITH CAUSE..." and other magical legal woo that just made the court staff stare at him like he was nuts.

[jargon buster]

the levels of insanity are gradually increasing.
They are getting more and more desperate in their attempts at flouting the system.

What they fail to grasp is that these videos will generate enough interest to the legal system to make sure all judges and magistrates are ready next time they come in.
So it will go something like this

Is Fred Bloggs here today?
No I am commonly known as Fred
So you are not Fred Bloggs?
No I'm known as Fred.
As Fred Bloggs is not in court we shall proceed without him, remove the man commonly know as Fred from the court.

But of course that will just prove the system is corrupt and will go in the success stories section.

Everyone's a winner

[Horatius]

Originally Posted by jargon buster

Menard has claimed a big success in Canada for FMOTL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EzJs...layer_embedded

and hes serious, not joking at all
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=133024

JB

Did that guy at the end say they were in Guelph On? Because I know some people in Guelph....

[1pso fact0]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

In the UK they would need an extraction license from the local Water Authority to pump water from the river and they would still have to pay an annual water 'rate'. All fresh water in the UK is the property of the water authorities. Even houses in the remote hills with water fed from streams or springs have to pay water rates (although at a less rate than someone on mains water)

How can 'fresh water' en situ (or at least in streams / wells etc) belong to somebody?

Claiming ownership of the water table, what a ludicrous concept! I am very shocked at this. Sure, the water company charge for purification and supply to a home as per service provided, great - but to actually claim ownership of all natural water resources!

What a strange world we live in to give rise to such a concept lol

[Elizabeth I]

Originally Posted by 1pso fact0

How can 'fresh water' en situ (or at least in streams / wells etc) belong to somebody?

Claiming ownership of the water table, what a ludicrous concept! I am very shocked at this. Sure, the water company charge for purification and supply to a home as per service provided, great - but to actually claim ownership of all natural water resources!

What a strange world we live in to give rise to such a concept lol

There's somewhere people have to pay the water company to use non-water-company water? In Texas if you are not on a water service, you will have to pay somebody to drill the well and you may have to pay for equipment to take stuff like iron out of the water so it doesn't turn your laundry orange (been there, done that) but you don't have to pay anybody for the water.

[Captain_Swoop]

In the UK you do. Up until the 80s water companies were part of the local Govt, people on a well or spring fed supply paid nothing. When the water industry was 'privatised' by the Conservative Govt everyone had to pay a 'Water Rate' even those with their own well etc. This was done to maximise the return for the newly created water companies, it helped to encourage investors to buy the shares. Same for Sewerage. Even if you aren't connected to the sewer system you pay for it.

[D'rok]

Latest from Menard.

He openly admits that freemanism fails in court thus making freemen look stupid. He's obviously getting frustrated with the fact that us nasty debunkers use these failures to, as he puts it, "denigrate the whole movement".

http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org...p=49042#p49042

His new strategy when asked for proof that freemansim works? This:

Quote:

I claim no one here may govern me without my consent, and it is evidenced with the reality of them not doing it.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=134726

Where "no one here" refers to the lunatics at the Icke forum. Some proof.

Of course, the Canadian government continues to govern him without his consent, but that doesn't stop our intrepid freeman! Like when he wasn't allowed to board a domestic flight because he didn't have government-issued id:

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewt...8508630edded8f

So much for consent. Foiled by those dirty statutes again. Back to the drawing board, I guess.

[Horatius]

I don't suppose we could convince any of the mods there to take that as a challenge, could we?

[D'rok]

That'll be the day.

Mind you, even if he did get modded, he could just say that he consented to the forum rules and thus is actually being governed by consent.