[Ed] Rob Menard's FOTL Claims - Page 9

jargon buster · 11th October 2010, 06:00 AM

http://www.buildfreedom.com/resplev.htm

It would appear that its true, there are 3 levels???

Quote:

(a) Level 1 -- Basic. At this level, freedom activists learn about freedom philosophy, try to educate people, participate in Libertarian Party politics, try to change the system, etc.

(b) Level 2 -- Intermediate. At this level, freedom activists essentially learn how to withdraw material support from "coercive political systems" and they extricate themselves as far as practical from these "systems." They focus on aspects like personal empowerment, health, wealth, etc.

(c) Level 3 -- Advanced. At this level, freedom activists withdraw conceptual, intellectual, and semantic support from supposed "coercive political systems." They discover the most basic nature of pretended "coercive political systems." They cure themselves from Slavespeak (and "Slavethink").

I cant see why you cant just go to level three immediatly, a hard knock on the head would do it.

D'rok · 11th October 2010, 06:06 AM

Originally Posted by jargon buster

http://www.buildfreedom.com/resplev.htm

It would appear that its true, there are 3 levels???

I cant see why you cant just go to level three immediatly, a hard knock on the head would do it.

Or you can get some Advanced Freedom Solutions^tm!

Ugh. These people make me want to punch babies.*

*(Disclaimer: I don't actually want to punch babies).

BobHaulk · 14th October 2010, 01:48 AM

Menards got a challenge to his freeman status in this thread. He's resorted to attacking the poster rather than what he said.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137758
There seems to be a few new posters, all with just a handful of posts, i wonder which one i might be

jargon buster · 14th October 2010, 02:47 AM

Robs now posting random e-mails he has claimed to have recieved in the success stories section.
He obviously has been taking advice from steven1

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...=95168&page=24

Quote:

REPORT FROM EMAIL

Hey Rob,

How's it going, bud? I want you to know that, largely because of you and the light you've shared, I have won my mortgage case on default. Your guidance on "you have the right to say 'I don't understand this, this & that'," acquiescence, legalese, general private administrative processes, basic contract elements, the difference between law and statutes, how to claim rights, how to always be asking questions instead of making statements, basic maxims of law and the like have enabled me to follow a private administrative process and construct a pleading in district court so solid that I have won my case on default. The alleged lender, the alleged servicer, the alleged trustees, all other alleged parties of interest and representing attorneys have all tucked tail & run, handing me my property on default. Despite my constant contact with the attorneys after filing my suit, they didn't file an answer, didn't show up for any hearings and didn't file a shred of anything into the case. After they defaulted I contacted the lead attorney to inquire as to whether or not he was aware that his firm was now in default. His comment to me was, "You know, somehow I think you already knew we'd not be able to respond to your pleading." As a result, the debt must be released with no option to re-pursue in the future, the note/title/all related instruments irrevocably signed over to me and marked as "SATISFIED IN FULL," all negative credit marks must be removed and marked as "SATISFIED IN FULL," and all payments I ever made must be returned to me at the same interest rate I was paying. You should also know that the attorney firm I was facing is one of the largest debt collection firms in the nation with over 200 attorneys - and I handed them their asses with help mostly from you! You should also know that from day-one the court was already on the bank's side without hearing anything nor seeing any evidence from the defendant, and so I found my self fighting not only the bank, but the court as well (has to file for a judge's recusal along the way and stand my ground with a subsequent judge, which I could never have done without having been woken up as to how to claim my rights). The things I've learned from you are no longer theory - I've seen them work, and man did they!!!

Keep up the good fight and hurry the hell up with that book! I want copy #1!!! :-)

Quote:

Rob: Recently I got pulled over and denied the police consent to search me. They broke my window and pulled me out of my car at gun point, only to find crumbs enough to make a joint with. They brought me down to the station, and I'm 100% sure their supervisor ripped them a new *******. They couldn't get me out of jail fast enough. I owe it all to you, and your words of wisdom. Exercise your right to say nothing. do you understand? No. Do you want a lawyer? No response.

Andrew-Michael Beauchamp

his fans appear to be lapping them up, i wonder why they didnt believe steven1s claims?

Toke · 14th October 2010, 03:57 AM

Originally Posted by jargon buster

Robs now posting random e-mails he has claimed to have recieved in the success stories section.
He obviously has been taking advice from steven1

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...=95168&page=24

his fans appear to be lapping them up, i wonder why they didnt believe steven1s claims?

It must be jealousy, I see no difference in credibility.
The only other explanation is that steven1 wrote of his exploits in an coherent manner, that does mark him as a bit of an outsider.

jargon buster · 14th October 2010, 04:03 AM

Quote:

There seems to be a few new posters, all with just a handful of posts, i wonder which one i might be

mmmm.... yes i wonder which one I might be?

I cant make my mind up which way to take it, if i go all freeman they may think steven1 has decided to come back and if I go skepic they may think Im back on as Asky.
I bet the mods are in a bit of a fix, they will be banning everyone whatever their calling.

LightinDarkness · 14th October 2010, 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by jargon buster

his fans appear to be lapping them up, i wonder why they didnt believe steven1s claims?

Rob is a vain person in love with himself, but I would not be surprised if the emails are real - the facts of the cases, of course, are never like the freeman claim though. Usually what I've found is all these people celebrating victory think that because they engaged in paperwork terrorism with a law firm and didn't get a response in whatever deadline they set that they now "win" - that was probably the case with the mortgage guy. Of course, when he goes to court he'll see that its not the case at all and his little self-imposed deadline means nothing and he'll lose the house as usual.

But he won't email Rob about that one.

BobHaulk · 14th October 2010, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by jargon buster

mmmm.... yes i wonder which one I might be?

I cant make my mind up which way to take it, if i go all freeman they may think steven1 has decided to come back and if I go skepic they may think Im back on as Asky.
I bet the mods are in a bit of a fix, they will be banning everyone whatever their calling.

It's the mods that i dislike the most. The posters are clearly stupid but the mods and icke are out to rip you off, pure and simple.

jargon buster · 14th October 2010, 06:56 AM

The mods dont seem to have an issue with Rob plugging his new book either.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...=95168&page=26

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob menard
REPORT FROM EMAIL

Hey Rob,

How's it going, bud? I want you to know that, largely because of you and the light you've shared, I have won my mortgage case on default. Your guidance on "you have the right to say 'I don't understand this, this & that'," acquiescence, legalese, general private administrative processes, basic contract elements, the difference between law and statutes, how to claim rights, how to always be asking questions instead of making statements, basic maxims of law and the like have enabled me to follow a private administrative process and construct a pleading in district court so solid that I have won my case on default. The alleged lender, the alleged servicer, the alleged trustees, all other alleged parties of interest and representing attorneys have all tucked tail & run, handing me my property on default. Despite my constant contact with the attorneys after filing my suit, they didn't file an answer, didn't show up for any hearings and didn't file a shred of anything into the case. After they defaulted I contacted the lead attorney to inquire as to whether or not he was aware that his firm was now in default. His comment to me was, "You know, somehow I think you already knew we'd not be able to respond to your pleading." As a result, the debt must be released with no option to re-pursue in the future, the note/title/all related instruments irrevocably signed over to me and marked as "SATISFIED IN FULL," all negative credit marks must be removed and marked as "SATISFIED IN FULL," and all payments I ever made must be returned to me at the same interest rate I was paying. You should also know that the attorney firm I was facing is one of the largest debt collection firms in the nation with over 200 attorneys - and I handed them their asses with help mostly from you! You should also know that from day-one the court was already on the bank's side without hearing anything nor seeing any evidence from the defendant, and so I found my self fighting not only the bank, but the court as well (has to file for a judge's recusal along the way and stand my ground with a subsequent judge, which I could never have done without having been woken up as to how to claim my rights). The things I've learned from you are no longer theory - I've seen them work, and man did they!!!

Keep up the good fight and hurry the hell up with that book! I want copy #1!!! :-)

Peace

gtm · 14th October 2010, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by BobHaulk

It's the mods that i dislike the most. The posters are clearly stupid but the mods and icke are out to rip you off, pure and simple.

How does one become a 'mod' on the Icke forum? (not that I'm interested myself of course) Do you need to show a confirmed history of moonbattery thoughout your 'career' online? Do you need to spend x number of £'s on Icke books & events?

BobHaulk · 15th October 2010, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by gtm

How does one become a 'mod' on the Icke forum? (not that I'm interested myself of course) Do you need to show a confirmed history of moonbattery thoughout your 'career' online? Do you need to spend x number of £'s on Icke books & events?

I think it helps if you tell dave how great he is, he likes that or maybe buy him a drink, he likes a drink, mainly though you must be spectacularly dim.

jargon buster · 15th October 2010, 01:11 AM

The best way to deal with Menard and Ickes is to simply bury his posts in more freeman success stories.
The more nonsense there is on there the sooner people coming to the site will see how deluded he is.
Disagreeing just gives him a platform for his stupidity.
Just agree with him and post ever whackier claims (i know, its whacky enough now)

Cavorite · 15th October 2010, 03:45 AM

I do wonder if Menard doesn't hope that some sort of Hundredth Monkey effect will kick in if enough people start practicing his nonsense - that a critical mass will be reached in which The System will be overwhelmed by mass disobedience. He surely knows his techniques don't work, but perhaps he consciously believes that if he shovels enough idiots into the maw of the beast it'll choke on them. Let's face it, many revolutionaries do just that - talk a lot from a safe distance while exhorting others to make the ultimate sacrifice so the great leader can reap the benefits.

jargon buster · 15th October 2010, 04:31 AM

What they fail to see is that the success of the FMOTL movement would actually be its undoing, if it became mainstream then everyone would cease to work and just A4V all their bills.
WHERE WOULD ALL THE MONEY COME FROM?
FMOTL needs society in place to sponge off as most of its advocates are unemployed layabout potheads in reciept of state benefits.
To be a success it needs to maintain the status quo, which is quite ironic as the status quo doesnt recognise the argument in the first place.

jargon buster · 15th October 2010, 09:27 AM

Menard is now trying to get another poster on David Ickes banned by suggesting they are me.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...=95168&page=26

Quote:

HI jillza!
Welcome to the forum. I see you have met our resident troll. Read what was forwarded to me, from another forum where 'catnap' is know as Jargon Buster...

Quote:
The best way to deal with Menard and Ickes is to simply bury his posts in more freeman success stories.
The more nonsense there is on there the sooner people coming to the site will see how deluded he is.
Disagreeing just gives him a platform for his stupidity.
Just agree with him and post ever whackier claims (i know, its whacky enough now)
He is my internet stalker, and is seriously obsessed with me and apparently anyone willing to think for themselves. He is likely insane, seeing as how much energy he gives to a topic he claims is bogus and bull.

According to him, he wants to make sure people such as yourself do not form your own opinions, but follow his.

I am sure you can figure out how sad of a case he truly is. I am also sure you can sense that his response and fear is in fact evidence that FMOTL does resonate with many, and he fears that resonance, as it leads people away from his arena of control.

Once again welcome, and I hope you enjoy this forum, though you will have to initialize your troll shields.

he also welcomes to the forum jillza whos third post was this

Quote:

Hey Catflap,
do you have ANY idea how whiney you come across? Demanding and acting like Rob and any other person, has a duty to reply, graciously, to your quite rude comments and then you get your knickers in a twist when people act like youre not worth going to the trouble. No one is obligated to please you, and the more you bitch about it the less anyone will take what you are typing seriously.
I dont like violence - but id kick your tits in I reckon if I met ya in person...
oh, wait..
I see someone already has!

Now bearing in mind catflap has already admitted that she is suffering from cancer, this post could hardly fall within the boundaries of cause no loss or harm.
I wouldn't be surprised if this person was there at the behest of Menard.
Lets see if melonclone the Mod does anything about that post, which in my opinion should warrant a ban.

jargon buster · 15th October 2010, 09:37 AM

Rob wrote

Quote:

HI jillza!
Welcome to the forum. I see you have met our resident troll. Read what was forwarded to me, from another forum where 'catnap' is know as Jargon Buster...

Hes still trying to make people believe that he doesn't actually visit here and his minions keep him updated as to whats posted about him.

What a clown

gtm · 15th October 2010, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by jargon buster

Rob wrote

Hes still trying to make people believe that he doesn't actually visit here and his minions keep him updated as to whats posted about him.

What a clown

Hiya JB

Do you know anything about a 'Brian T Collins' who Rob is currently crossing horns with over on Icke?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137758

Stacey Grove · 15th October 2010, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by jargon buster

he also welcomes to the forum jillza whos third post was this

Reading the very poor quality of jillza's posts I would imagine Menard has recognised another customer ready to be fleeced and has therefore pounced.

D'rok · 15th October 2010, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by gtm

Hiya JB

Do you know anything about a 'Brian T Collins' who Rob is currently crossing horns with over on Icke?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137758

He's just as messed up as Menard:

Quote:

I must point out that there is no Criminal Code of Canada. The Criminal Code is in fact a United Nations Concordance that falls under the international ecclesiastical jurisdiction of United Nations enforcement. Common law was completely abolished under the United Nations "Curia" or trusteeship, so agruing "Common Law Rights" in a de facto juristiction are useless.

FMOTL is wrong, but that's not why.

gtm · 15th October 2010, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by D'rok

He's just as messed up as Menard:

FMOTL is wrong, but that's not why.

Self evidently.

I'm sure you noticed this :-

A Woman terminal with cancer attributes my music as one of the main factors to her miraculous recovery which baffled doctors
I introduced her to using 432hz music/frequency and alkaline water the combination along with her determination and Belief cured her after 7 months.

and this :-

The issue about Criminal code of Canada is minor compared to the bigger picture.
The CCC is a concordance, a UN enforcement on the waters
it's all under roman law dead corpus trust Rob administered by High courts of Rota.

The cancer treatment thing is really too insane to comment on constructively. I haven't got a clue why he's attempting to relate the Canadian Criminal Code with the Roman Rota (which is an appellant Court dealing with Cannon law cases in the Vatican - ie defrocked priests). We need Robert Langdon to decode this conundrum for us.

D'rok · 15th October 2010, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by gtm

Self evidently.

I'm sure you noticed this :-

A Woman terminal with cancer attributes my music as one of the main factors to her miraculous recovery which baffled doctors
I introduced her to using 432hz music/frequency and alkaline water the combination along with her determination and Belief cured her after 7 months.

and this :-

The issue about Criminal code of Canada is minor compared to the bigger picture.
The CCC is a concordance, a UN enforcement on the waters
it's all under roman law dead corpus trust Rob administered by High courts of Rota.

The cancer treatment thing is really too insane to comment on constructively. I haven't got a clue why he's attempting to relate the Canadian Criminal Code with the Roman Rota (which is an appellant Court dealing with Cannon law cases in the Vatican - ie defrocked priests). We need Robert Langdon to decode this conundrum for us.

Yup. And kooks who "cure" cancer with magnets or sound waves or whatever are even lower on the social scumbag scale than FOTLers.

jargon buster · 15th October 2010, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Hiya JB

Do you know anything about a 'Brian T Collins' who Rob is currently crossing horns with over on Icke?

First I've heard about him, it will be a bit of a change for Rob to debate with someone on an equal footing as they are both barnpots.

Macgyver1968 · 15th October 2010, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by gtm

How does one become a 'mod' on the Icke forum? (not that I'm interested myself of course) Do you need to show a confirmed history of moonbattery thoughout your 'career' online? Do you need to spend x number of £'s on Icke books & events?

I'm not sure...but here's a thread started by a mod I found amusing.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138451

I love how he sees all of this imagery in the photo...until it's explained later it's a tribute to John Lennon.

gtm · 15th October 2010, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Macgyver1968

I'm not sure...but here's a thread started by a mod I found amusing.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138451

I love how he sees all of this imagery in the photo...until it's explained later it's a tribute to John Lennon.

Merlincove is a complete idiot.

Elizabeth I · 15th October 2010, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by gtm

Quote:

A Woman terminal with cancer attributes my music as one of the main factors to her miraculous recovery which baffled doctors
I introduced her to using 432hz music/frequency and alkaline water the combination along with her determination and Belief cured her after 7 months.

Now, that's really interesting because I quite clearly remember reading some "alternative healer" who insisted that alkalinity was the source of all our problems and said that she would "balance your pH" to cure what ailed ya.

Confusion, confusion, confusion, and conflict - how do you know who to believe?

tsig · 15th October 2010, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by gtm

Merlincove is a complete idiot.

Who's never wrong:

ironic then that imagine was a song of peacefull existance away from opression, and it's image is being used by a site that propogates big brother's watchfull gaze.

Except for spelling and capitalization .

BaaBaa · 16th October 2010, 06:45 PM

propur speelin iz a tool of teh Man

Midnight · 17th October 2010, 02:11 AM

Maynard is just low life scum. I try not to hate people but I really loathe this person and everything he stands for.

I would love to see him thoroughly taken down (just to be clear I mean taken down as verbally demolished) in public so that there is no doubt left that he is what he is - scum.

psionl0 · 23rd October 2010, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by 1pso fact0

So A4V is based on an idea that the signature is currency, and as the bankers can't lend money they don't have it does fit that the bank funds a loan from a pot that is accesed by the signature. Seems quite logical to me. A4V is just another signature that allows access to the over all fund.

That is the way i have come to see what FMOLers say, and why there is no proof the theory to me sounds sound. Unless anyone is able to proove that loans are given on a base amount of money collateral in the bank and not on the strength of a signature?

Originally Posted by drkitten

Not really. Banks fund loans from the pot of deposits they already have. Essentially, they double-count the money (it's owed to two places at once), which sounds problematic in theory but in practice is generally sound.

A good explanation of FRB drkitten but you probably missed the more fanciful notion in 1pso fact0's post which is that you create money with your signature.

The FOTL theory is that having "created" money by signing a "promissory note", you then deposit the PN at the bank in the same way that you would deposit a cheque or cash. So you are the "source" of the money the bank says it lent you.

Of course the flaw in that self serving logic is that the value of a PN is in the future payments that the signatory has promised to pay - not the signature itself. Unfortunately, if I point this out on a FOTL thread, the thread dies a natural death only for a new thread to appear in due course again promoting the SIGNATURE=MONEY theory.

I don't know if Rob Menard promotes this theory but it sounds probable based on the posts of his that I have read.

theshillbarrett · 23rd October 2010, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Sledge

I love how woos never want money. They can't think of a single thing to do with the wealth on offer to them. Make their own lives easier, give it to charity, pay a celebrity to have sex with them, none of these things appeal to them. Strange that.

I agree. Strange that indeed.

jargon buster · 28th October 2010, 09:10 AM

brian t collins has challenged Rob to an open skype debate
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...137758&page=11

After reading brians beliefs I fear the level of woo during this debate will be off the scale.

LightinDarkness · 28th October 2010, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by jargon buster

brian t collins has challenged Rob to an open skype debate
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...137758&page=11

After reading brians beliefs I fear the level of woo during this debate will be off the scale.

I really hope this happens. Its the most intriguing part of fights between woos. Its like they think their opponent is nuts, but don't see the insanity in their own woo.

Regardless, two crazies debating over who can out-woo the other with Freeman mythology should provide quality entertainment.

Hans · 28th October 2010, 10:00 AM

Quote:

In Canada, every birth certificates are kept in Thunder Bay near the water for it to apply to "Admiralty Law".

From the link JB provide - prime time woo insanity....woo...wooo

D'rok · 28th October 2010, 11:01 AM

Menard is just a plain old scoundrel and rogue. His con routine is transparent to all but the spectacularly dim. This Collins chap, however, is straight up nuts.

God I hope they drop the gloves and go at it live. And, oh please, please let them record and post the "debate".

Hans · 28th October 2010, 12:17 PM

WARNING

Quote:

God I hope they drop the gloves and go at it live. And, oh please, please let them record and post the "debate".

Concentrated woo like that can not only cut kitchen grease but permanently cause alien artifacts to appear on the Moon and the Annunaki to return - best not to watch it or acknowledge its existence.

Collins may be mad but Menard is not - he won't show

Captain_Swoop · 28th October 2010, 12:46 PM

Woomageddon.

BobHaulk · 29th October 2010, 01:20 AM

Over at Icke's Menard is now claiming he is still representing people in court even though the canadian courts have ruled that he isn't allowed too
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...141146&page=17
He is obviously lying, again. Who would want a bum representing them in court. I'm sure the courts might be interested that he's claiming he is and still can represent people in court when he's been banned from doing that. He hasn't posted any evidence but then the morons on the icke site don't seem to want any.

Hans · 29th October 2010, 01:26 AM

I thought he was banned only in BC?

Stacey Grove · 29th October 2010, 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by Hans

I thought he was banned only in BC?

Menard claims that court order is not against him.
Because the order states: "The Respondent, Robert Arthur Menard" it can't be Menard because his name is not "The Respondent", so it must be somebody else.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...=141146&page=7

It is so pathetic, yet still his followers worship him.

D'rok · 29th October 2010, 03:34 AM

Originally Posted by Hans

I thought he was banned only in BC?

Yup.

11th October 2010, 06:00 AM	#321
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,053	http://www.buildfreedom.com/resplev.htm It would appear that its true, there are 3 levels??? Quote: (a) Level 1 -- Basic. At this level, freedom activists learn about freedom philosophy, try to educate people, participate in Libertarian Party politics, try to change the system, etc. (b) Level 2 -- Intermediate. At this level, freedom activists essentially learn how to withdraw material support from "coercive political systems" and they extricate themselves as far as practical from these "systems." They focus on aspects like personal empowerment, health, wealth, etc. (c) Level 3 -- Advanced. At this level, freedom activists withdraw conceptual, intellectual, and semantic support from supposed "coercive political systems." They discover the most basic nature of pretended "coercive political systems." They cure themselves from Slavespeak (and "Slavethink"). I cant see why you cant just go to level three immediatly, a hard knock on the head would do it.
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11th October 2010, 06:06 AM	#322
D'rok Free Barbarian on The Land Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 6,235	Originally Posted by jargon buster http://www.buildfreedom.com/resplev.htm It would appear that its true, there are 3 levels??? I cant see why you cant just go to level three immediatly, a hard knock on the head would do it. Or you can get some Advanced Freedom Solutions^tm! Ugh. These people make me want to punch babies.* *(Disclaimer: I don't actually want to punch babies).
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14th October 2010, 01:48 AM	#323
BobHaulk Muse Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 690	Menards got a challenge to his freeman status in this thread. He's resorted to attacking the poster rather than what he said. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137758 There seems to be a few new posters, all with just a handful of posts, i wonder which one i might be
BobHaulk Muse Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 690

14th October 2010, 02:47 AM	#324
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,053	Robs now posting random e-mails he has claimed to have recieved in the success stories section. He obviously has been taking advice from steven1 http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...=95168&page=24 Quote: REPORT FROM EMAIL Hey Rob, How's it going, bud? I want you to know that, largely because of you and the light you've shared, I have won my mortgage case on default. Your guidance on "you have the right to say 'I don't understand this, this & that'," acquiescence, legalese, general private administrative processes, basic contract elements, the difference between law and statutes, how to claim rights, how to always be asking questions instead of making statements, basic maxims of law and the like have enabled me to follow a private administrative process and construct a pleading in district court so solid that I have won my case on default. The alleged lender, the alleged servicer, the alleged trustees, all other alleged parties of interest and representing attorneys have all tucked tail & run, handing me my property on default. Despite my constant contact with the attorneys after filing my suit, they didn't file an answer, didn't show up for any hearings and didn't file a shred of anything into the case. After they defaulted I contacted the lead attorney to inquire as to whether or not he was aware that his firm was now in default. His comment to me was, "You know, somehow I think you already knew we'd not be able to respond to your pleading." As a result, the debt must be released with no option to re-pursue in the future, the note/title/all related instruments irrevocably signed over to me and marked as "SATISFIED IN FULL," all negative credit marks must be removed and marked as "SATISFIED IN FULL," and all payments I ever made must be returned to me at the same interest rate I was paying. You should also know that the attorney firm I was facing is one of the largest debt collection firms in the nation with over 200 attorneys - and I handed them their asses with help mostly from you! You should also know that from day-one the court was already on the bank's side without hearing anything nor seeing any evidence from the defendant, and so I found my self fighting not only the bank, but the court as well (has to file for a judge's recusal along the way and stand my ground with a subsequent judge, which I could never have done without having been woken up as to how to claim my rights). The things I've learned from you are no longer theory - I've seen them work, and man did they!!! Keep up the good fight and hurry the hell up with that book! I want copy #1!!! :-) Quote: Rob: Recently I got pulled over and denied the police consent to search me. They broke my window and pulled me out of my car at gun point, only to find crumbs enough to make a joint with. They brought me down to the station, and I'm 100% sure their supervisor ripped them a new *******. They couldn't get me out of jail fast enough. I owe it all to you, and your words of wisdom. Exercise your right to say nothing. do you understand? No. Do you want a lawyer? No response. Andrew-Michael Beauchamp his fans appear to be lapping them up, i wonder why they didnt believe steven1s claims?
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14th October 2010, 03:57 AM	#325
Toke Godless Socialist Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 7,600	Originally Posted by jargon buster Robs now posting random e-mails he has claimed to have recieved in the success stories section. He obviously has been taking advice from steven1 http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...=95168&page=24 his fans appear to be lapping them up, i wonder why they didnt believe steven1s claims? It must be jealousy, I see no difference in credibility. The only other explanation is that steven1 wrote of his exploits in an coherent manner, that does mark him as a bit of an outsider.
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14th October 2010, 04:03 AM	#326
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,053	Quote: There seems to be a few new posters, all with just a handful of posts, i wonder which one i might be mmmm.... yes i wonder which one I might be? I cant make my mind up which way to take it, if i go all freeman they may think steven1 has decided to come back and if I go skepic they may think Im back on as Asky. I bet the mods are in a bit of a fix, they will be banning everyone whatever their calling.
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14th October 2010, 05:17 AM	#327
LightinDarkness Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,554	Originally Posted by jargon buster his fans appear to be lapping them up, i wonder why they didnt believe steven1s claims? Rob is a vain person in love with himself, but I would not be surprised if the emails are real - the facts of the cases, of course, are never like the freeman claim though. Usually what I've found is all these people celebrating victory think that because they engaged in paperwork terrorism with a law firm and didn't get a response in whatever deadline they set that they now "win" - that was probably the case with the mortgage guy. Of course, when he goes to court he'll see that its not the case at all and his little self-imposed deadline means nothing and he'll lose the house as usual. But he won't email Rob about that one.

14th October 2010, 06:49 AM	#328
BobHaulk Muse Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 690	Originally Posted by jargon buster mmmm.... yes i wonder which one I might be? I cant make my mind up which way to take it, if i go all freeman they may think steven1 has decided to come back and if I go skepic they may think Im back on as Asky. I bet the mods are in a bit of a fix, they will be banning everyone whatever their calling. It's the mods that i dislike the most. The posters are clearly stupid but the mods and icke are out to rip you off, pure and simple.
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14th October 2010, 06:56 AM	#329
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,053	The mods dont seem to have an issue with Rob plugging his new book either. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...=95168&page=26 Quote: Originally Posted by rob menard REPORT FROM EMAIL Hey Rob, How's it going, bud? I want you to know that, largely because of you and the light you've shared, I have won my mortgage case on default. Your guidance on "you have the right to say 'I don't understand this, this & that'," acquiescence, legalese, general private administrative processes, basic contract elements, the difference between law and statutes, how to claim rights, how to always be asking questions instead of making statements, basic maxims of law and the like have enabled me to follow a private administrative process and construct a pleading in district court so solid that I have won my case on default. The alleged lender, the alleged servicer, the alleged trustees, all other alleged parties of interest and representing attorneys have all tucked tail & run, handing me my property on default. Despite my constant contact with the attorneys after filing my suit, they didn't file an answer, didn't show up for any hearings and didn't file a shred of anything into the case. After they defaulted I contacted the lead attorney to inquire as to whether or not he was aware that his firm was now in default. His comment to me was, "You know, somehow I think you already knew we'd not be able to respond to your pleading." As a result, the debt must be released with no option to re-pursue in the future, the note/title/all related instruments irrevocably signed over to me and marked as "SATISFIED IN FULL," all negative credit marks must be removed and marked as "SATISFIED IN FULL," and all payments I ever made must be returned to me at the same interest rate I was paying. You should also know that the attorney firm I was facing is one of the largest debt collection firms in the nation with over 200 attorneys - and I handed them their asses with help mostly from you! You should also know that from day-one the court was already on the bank's side without hearing anything nor seeing any evidence from the defendant, and so I found my self fighting not only the bank, but the court as well (has to file for a judge's recusal along the way and stand my ground with a subsequent judge, which I could never have done without having been woken up as to how to claim my rights). The things I've learned from you are no longer theory - I've seen them work, and man did they!!! Keep up the good fight and hurry the hell up with that book! I want copy #1!!! :-) Peace
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14th October 2010, 07:11 AM	#330
gtm Muse Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 598	Originally Posted by BobHaulk It's the mods that i dislike the most. The posters are clearly stupid but the mods and icke are out to rip you off, pure and simple. How does one become a 'mod' on the Icke forum? (not that I'm interested myself of course) Do you need to show a confirmed history of moonbattery thoughout your 'career' online? Do you need to spend x number of £'s on Icke books & events?
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15th October 2010, 12:07 AM	#331
BobHaulk Muse Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 690	Originally Posted by gtm How does one become a 'mod' on the Icke forum? (not that I'm interested myself of course) Do you need to show a confirmed history of moonbattery thoughout your 'career' online? Do you need to spend x number of £'s on Icke books & events? I think it helps if you tell dave how great he is, he likes that or maybe buy him a drink, he likes a drink, mainly though you must be spectacularly dim.
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15th October 2010, 01:11 AM	#332
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,053	The best way to deal with Menard and Ickes is to simply bury his posts in more freeman success stories. The more nonsense there is on there the sooner people coming to the site will see how deluded he is. Disagreeing just gives him a platform for his stupidity. Just agree with him and post ever whackier claims (i know, its whacky enough now)
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15th October 2010, 03:45 AM	#333
Cavorite Scholar Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 69	I do wonder if Menard doesn't hope that some sort of Hundredth Monkey effect will kick in if enough people start practicing his nonsense - that a critical mass will be reached in which The System will be overwhelmed by mass disobedience. He surely knows his techniques don't work, but perhaps he consciously believes that if he shovels enough idiots into the maw of the beast it'll choke on them. Let's face it, many revolutionaries do just that - talk a lot from a safe distance while exhorting others to make the ultimate sacrifice so the great leader can reap the benefits.
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15th October 2010, 04:31 AM	#334
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,053	What they fail to see is that the success of the FMOTL movement would actually be its undoing, if it became mainstream then everyone would cease to work and just A4V all their bills. WHERE WOULD ALL THE MONEY COME FROM? FMOTL needs society in place to sponge off as most of its advocates are unemployed layabout potheads in reciept of state benefits. To be a success it needs to maintain the status quo, which is quite ironic as the status quo doesnt recognise the argument in the first place.
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15th October 2010, 09:27 AM	#335
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,053	Menard is now trying to get another poster on David Ickes banned by suggesting they are me. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...=95168&page=26 Quote: HI jillza! Welcome to the forum. I see you have met our resident troll. Read what was forwarded to me, from another forum where 'catnap' is know as Jargon Buster... Quote: The best way to deal with Menard and Ickes is to simply bury his posts in more freeman success stories. The more nonsense there is on there the sooner people coming to the site will see how deluded he is. Disagreeing just gives him a platform for his stupidity. Just agree with him and post ever whackier claims (i know, its whacky enough now) He is my internet stalker, and is seriously obsessed with me and apparently anyone willing to think for themselves. He is likely insane, seeing as how much energy he gives to a topic he claims is bogus and bull. According to him, he wants to make sure people such as yourself do not form your own opinions, but follow his. I am sure you can figure out how sad of a case he truly is. I am also sure you can sense that his response and fear is in fact evidence that FMOTL does resonate with many, and he fears that resonance, as it leads people away from his arena of control. Once again welcome, and I hope you enjoy this forum, though you will have to initialize your troll shields. he also welcomes to the forum jillza whos third post was this Quote: Hey Catflap, do you have ANY idea how whiney you come across? Demanding and acting like Rob and any other person, has a duty to reply, graciously, to your quite rude comments and then you get your knickers in a twist when people act like youre not worth going to the trouble. No one is obligated to please you, and the more you bitch about it the less anyone will take what you are typing seriously. I dont like violence - but id kick your tits in I reckon if I met ya in person... oh, wait.. I see someone already has! Now bearing in mind catflap has already admitted that she is suffering from cancer, this post could hardly fall within the boundaries of cause no loss or harm. I wouldn't be surprised if this person was there at the behest of Menard. Lets see if melonclone the Mod does anything about that post, which in my opinion should warrant a ban.
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15th October 2010, 09:37 AM	#336
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,053	Rob wrote Quote: HI jillza! Welcome to the forum. I see you have met our resident troll. Read what was forwarded to me, from another forum where 'catnap' is know as Jargon Buster... Hes still trying to make people believe that he doesn't actually visit here and his minions keep him updated as to whats posted about him. What a clown
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15th October 2010, 10:08 AM	#337
gtm Muse Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 598	Originally Posted by jargon buster Rob wrote Hes still trying to make people believe that he doesn't actually visit here and his minions keep him updated as to whats posted about him. What a clown Hiya JB Do you know anything about a 'Brian T Collins' who Rob is currently crossing horns with over on Icke? http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137758
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15th October 2010, 10:12 AM	#338
Stacey Grove Muse Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: W1 Posts: 830	Originally Posted by jargon buster he also welcomes to the forum jillza whos third post was this Reading the very poor quality of jillza's posts I would imagine Menard has recognised another customer ready to be fleeced and has therefore pounced.
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15th October 2010, 10:22 AM	#339
D'rok Free Barbarian on The Land Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 6,235	Originally Posted by gtm Hiya JB Do you know anything about a 'Brian T Collins' who Rob is currently crossing horns with over on Icke? http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137758 He's just as messed up as Menard: Quote: I must point out that there is no Criminal Code of Canada. The Criminal Code is in fact a United Nations Concordance that falls under the international ecclesiastical jurisdiction of United Nations enforcement. Common law was completely abolished under the United Nations "Curia" or trusteeship, so agruing "Common Law Rights" in a de facto juristiction are useless. FMOTL is wrong, but that's not why.
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15th October 2010, 10:31 AM	#340
gtm Muse Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 598	Originally Posted by D'rok He's just as messed up as Menard: FMOTL is wrong, but that's not why. Self evidently. I'm sure you noticed this :- A Woman terminal with cancer attributes my music as one of the main factors to her miraculous recovery which baffled doctors I introduced her to using 432hz music/frequency and alkaline water the combination along with her determination and Belief cured her after 7 months. and this :- The issue about Criminal code of Canada is minor compared to the bigger picture. The CCC is a concordance, a UN enforcement on the waters it's all under roman law dead corpus trust Rob administered by High courts of Rota. The cancer treatment thing is really too insane to comment on constructively. I haven't got a clue why he's attempting to relate the Canadian Criminal Code with the Roman Rota (which is an appellant Court dealing with Cannon law cases in the Vatican - ie defrocked priests). We need Robert Langdon to decode this conundrum for us.
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15th October 2010, 10:34 AM	#341
D'rok Free Barbarian on The Land Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 6,235	Originally Posted by gtm Self evidently. I'm sure you noticed this :- A Woman terminal with cancer attributes my music as one of the main factors to her miraculous recovery which baffled doctors I introduced her to using 432hz music/frequency and alkaline water the combination along with her determination and Belief cured her after 7 months. and this :- The issue about Criminal code of Canada is minor compared to the bigger picture. The CCC is a concordance, a UN enforcement on the waters it's all under roman law dead corpus trust Rob administered by High courts of Rota. The cancer treatment thing is really too insane to comment on constructively. I haven't got a clue why he's attempting to relate the Canadian Criminal Code with the Roman Rota (which is an appellant Court dealing with Cannon law cases in the Vatican - ie defrocked priests). We need Robert Langdon to decode this conundrum for us. Yup. And kooks who "cure" cancer with magnets or sound waves or whatever are even lower on the social scumbag scale than FOTLers.
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15th October 2010, 11:29 AM	#342
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,053	Quote: Hiya JB Do you know anything about a 'Brian T Collins' who Rob is currently crossing horns with over on Icke? First I've heard about him, it will be a bit of a change for Rob to debate with someone on an equal footing as they are both barnpots.
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15th October 2010, 12:11 PM	#343
Macgyver1968 Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 3,610	Originally Posted by gtm How does one become a 'mod' on the Icke forum? (not that I'm interested myself of course) Do you need to show a confirmed history of moonbattery thoughout your 'career' online? Do you need to spend x number of £'s on Icke books & events? I'm not sure...but here's a thread started by a mod I found amusing. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138451 I love how he sees all of this imagery in the photo...until it's explained later it's a tribute to John Lennon.
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15th October 2010, 12:31 PM	#344
gtm Muse Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 598	Originally Posted by Macgyver1968 I'm not sure...but here's a thread started by a mod I found amusing. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138451 I love how he sees all of this imagery in the photo...until it's explained later it's a tribute to John Lennon. Merlincove is a complete idiot.
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15th October 2010, 05:58 PM	#345
Elizabeth I Olympic Equestrian Wannabe Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Defending the Alamo Posts: 9,261	Originally Posted by gtm Quote: A Woman terminal with cancer attributes my music as one of the main factors to her miraculous recovery which baffled doctors I introduced her to using 432hz music/frequency and alkaline water the combination along with her determination and Belief cured her after 7 months. Now, that's really interesting because I quite clearly remember reading some "alternative healer" who insisted that alkalinity was the source of all our problems and said that she would "balance your pH" to cure what ailed ya. Confusion, confusion, confusion, and conflict - how do you know who to believe?
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15th October 2010, 08:26 PM	#346
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,763	Originally Posted by gtm Merlincove is a complete idiot. Who's never wrong: ironic then that imagine was a song of peacefull existance away from opression, and it's* image is being used by a site that propogates big brother's watchfull gaze.* Except for spelling and capitalization .
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16th October 2010, 06:45 PM	#347
BaaBaa Semi-literate hench-person Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,419	propur speelin iz a tool of teh Man
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17th October 2010, 02:11 AM	#348
Midnight New Blood Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 17	Maynard is just low life scum. I try not to hate people but I really loathe this person and everything he stands for. I would love to see him thoroughly taken down (just to be clear I mean taken down as verbally demolished) in public so that there is no doubt left that he is what he is - scum.
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23rd October 2010, 11:14 AM	#349
psionl0 Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°58'S 115°57'E Posts: 4,768	Originally Posted by 1pso fact0 So A4V is based on an idea that the signature is currency, and as the bankers can't lend money they don't have it does fit that the bank funds a loan from a pot that is accesed by the signature. Seems quite logical to me. A4V is just another signature that allows access to the over all fund. That is the way i have come to see what FMOLers say, and why there is no proof the theory to me sounds sound. Unless anyone is able to proove that loans are given on a base amount of money collateral in the bank and not on the strength of a signature? Originally Posted by drkitten Not really. Banks fund loans from the pot of deposits they already have. Essentially, they double-count the money (it's owed to two places at once), which sounds problematic in theory but in practice is generally sound. A good explanation of FRB drkitten but you probably missed the more fanciful notion in 1pso fact0's post which is that you create money with your signature. The FOTL theory is that having "created" money by signing a "promissory note", you then deposit the PN at the bank in the same way that you would deposit a cheque or cash. So you are the "source" of the money the bank says it lent you. Of course the flaw in that self serving logic is that the value of a PN is in the future payments that the signatory has promised to pay - not the signature itself. Unfortunately, if I point this out on a FOTL thread, the thread dies a natural death only for a new thread to appear in due course again promoting the SIGNATURE=MONEY theory. I don't know if Rob Menard promotes this theory but it sounds probable based on the posts of his that I have read.
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23rd October 2010, 02:48 PM	#350
theshillbarrett Scholar Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Some Unspecified City In A Unspecified State In An Unspecified Country Posts: 70	Originally Posted by Sledge I love how woos never want money. They can't think of a single thing to do with the wealth on offer to them. Make their own lives easier, give it to charity, pay a celebrity to have sex with them, none of these things appeal to them. Strange that. I agree. Strange that indeed.

28th October 2010, 09:10 AM	#351
jargon buster Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,053	brian t collins has challenged Rob to an open skype debate http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...137758&page=11 After reading brians beliefs I fear the level of woo during this debate will be off the scale.
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28th October 2010, 09:20 AM	#352
LightinDarkness Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,554	Originally Posted by jargon buster brian t collins has challenged Rob to an open skype debate http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...137758&page=11 After reading brians beliefs I fear the level of woo during this debate will be off the scale. I really hope this happens. Its the most intriguing part of fights between woos. Its like they think their opponent is nuts, but don't see the insanity in their own woo. Regardless, two crazies debating over who can out-woo the other with Freeman mythology should provide quality entertainment.

28th October 2010, 10:00 AM	#353
Hans Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: NW United States Posts: 2,785	Quote: In Canada, every birth certificates are kept in Thunder Bay near the water for it to apply to "Admiralty Law". From the link JB provide - prime time woo insanity....woo...wooo

28th October 2010, 11:01 AM	#354
D'rok Free Barbarian on The Land Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 6,235	Menard is just a plain old scoundrel and rogue. His con routine is transparent to all but the spectacularly dim. This Collins chap, however, is straight up nuts. God I hope they drop the gloves and go at it live. And, oh please, please let them record and post the "debate".
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28th October 2010, 12:17 PM	#355
Hans Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: NW United States Posts: 2,785	WARNING Quote: God I hope they drop the gloves and go at it live. And, oh please, please let them record and post the "debate". Concentrated woo like that can not only cut kitchen grease but permanently cause alien artifacts to appear on the Moon and the Annunaki to return - best not to watch it or acknowledge its existence. Collins may be mad but Menard is not - he won't show