Examples of Freeman success stories

[timhau]

Originally Posted by cocana

Yes, if it's not through the official channels as I'm sure this wouldn't have been.

We could see a contempt application come out of this as well!

Ha! Another chance to strike a mortal blow against tyranny!

[jeffwode]

Denial doesn't get much deeper than this:

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suedenimon said...
@Anonymous
What you seem to have missed is that the court (if it actually can be called that) has been fought to a standstill and the judge (if he actually is one) has agreed in principle that the council paperwork may have been issued by an illegal and/or unlawful court

Roger ends up dictating the terms to the judge!(or didn't you notice that bit?) This IS a victory for the freeman, indeed for every man/woman for the 'court' has had to admit that there may well be an issue with whether the council's 'issuing court' is a court at all.

Wake up and smell the roses m8! victories at this stage and level are about points of law being established they may appear small to you or even non existent but nonetheless they are still there, has he been bankrupted...no, has he as yet paid them anything..no, has he established that this 'court' will not abide by its own rules in proving its jurisdiction...yes!,Has a sitting judge found himself to be uncomfortably close to having his 'collar' felt...yes!

[jeffwode]

That was from the comments to this:

http://captainranty.blogspot.com/201...f-freemen.html

[cocana]

Originally Posted by jargon buster

It would appear that the guys over at Ickes have their fingers in their ears over this, I wonder why no one is posting the result, after all they read this forum dilligently.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=158003

I would let them know but I have no sock puppets left.

The usual dribblers are busy proclaiming this as more fantastic work by a brave freedom fighter. Nothing if not predictable. We've even got the usual weetabix jibe. As I say, nothing if not predictable.

We just need someone to post up the 'contracting with the strawman' point and they'll have a full house.

[tsig]

Originally Posted by jeffwode

That was from the comments to this:

http://captainranty.blogspot.com/201...f-freemen.html

Mark takes a different tack than TFB does, and quite rightly makes this point:

2. It must also be clear that a liability for a tax is not enforceable against a human being, as such. If somebody turns up at HM Revenue & Customs, cheerfully admits that he has been paid cash in hand all his life and spent it all on wine, women and song and does not have a penny to his name, there is b-gger all that the tax man can do about it. For sure, the man could be declared bankrupt or imprisoned, but that does not recover one penny in tax, does it?

Which is impossible to fault.



Bankruptcy, some jail time but hey your peers will be right there for you.

[jeffwode]

Judge: The only basis on which I'm prepared to adjourn today's hearing - and one can well understand why I wouldn't want to - would be that that in 14 days time, within that 14 day period, the amount that is owed on the liability orders is paid in full - subject to your right subsequently on behalf of Mr Roger Hayes to challenge the validity of the liability order and if is found that there is no liability then of course that money will be refundable to you [nb. FOTL claims the liability order is a forgery]. Do you agree to that?

FOTL: Sir, under duress, yes I do. Happy with that Sir?

Judge: Do you agree to that?

FOTL: Sir, yes I do, sir.

Judge: It is not under duress. It is a proposition that allows this case to be settled.

FOTL: Sir, I agree in principle to what you suggest.

Judge: With the concurrence of your advocate?

[inaudible]

Judge: Is it agreed that the money is going to be paid?

FOTL: Yes, sir. It is, sir.

http://www.zshare.net/audio/86639170f5c6b230/

[jeffwode]

Originally Posted by tsig

Mark takes a different tack than TFB does, and quite rightly makes this point:

2. It must also be clear that a liability for a tax is not enforceable against a human being, as such. If somebody turns up at HM Revenue & Customs, cheerfully admits that he has been paid cash in hand all his life and spent it all on wine, women and song and does not have a penny to his name, there is b-gger all that the tax man can do about it. For sure, the man could be declared bankrupt or imprisoned, but that does not recover one penny in tax, does it?

Which is impossible to fault.



Bankruptcy, some jail time but hey your peers will be right there for you.

My favourite bit is:

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How can they deny me a defence which was provided for in an 800 year old Treaty? Many wrongly assume that MC1215 is a statute. It is not. It was written 50 years before we even had a parliament. For those that argue that it was not a Treaty between the King and the People, rather it was a Treaty between the King and the Barons, fair enough. For that reason I have revoked my allegiance to the monarch and sworn it instead to the Barons Committee.

A google search for the Barons' Committee brings up the usual bunch of FOTL websites.

[gtm]

Yozhiks 'two pennies worth' on this 'historic' case.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...7&postcount=31

[Vladd]

Ah so even when they are wrong they are right? Who comes up with this stuff? Are they missed by the March Hare and the Dormouse at the teaparty?

[Paul]

Originally Posted by gtm

Yozhiks 'two pennies worth' on this 'historic' case.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...7&postcount=31

Freeloaders are so confusing, I thought teh joos ran everything but now it appears that everything is an anti-semitic conspiracy. It's still all about commerce though, so that's comforting

[cocana]

Originally Posted by gtm

Yozhiks 'two pennies worth' on this 'historic' case.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...7&postcount=31

[original comment deleted - for the moment...]

[jargon buster]

why is yozhik now labelling everyone else anti-Semitic?
Is it because other posters on Ickes have reported his posts and got his last rant of anti semitic remarks removed to the rant room?

IS THIS HIS WAY OF TRYING TO REDEEM HIMSELF?

An apology would have been better than pointing at others in order to deflect from his own stink.

[gtm]

Originally Posted by jargon buster

why is yozhik now labelling everyone else anti-Semitic?
Is it because other posters on Ickes have reported his posts and got his last rant of anti semitic remarks removed to the rant room?

IS THIS HIS WAY OF TRYING TO REDEEM HIMSELF?

An apology would have been better than pointing at others in order to deflect from his own stink.

He's a rabid anti semite himself & to label the very people who flagged up his vicious bigotry as anti semites is his idea of a 'little joke'. It's what passes for humour in his rotten little mind.

[cocana]

Yes, he's a total bell end. Enough said. He's not even worth the energy that it takes to type this.

[Sledge]

Originally Posted by jeffwode

Judge: The only basis on which I'm prepared to adjourn today's hearing - and one can well understand why I wouldn't want to - would be that that in 14 days time, within that 14 day period, the amount that is owed on the liability orders is paid in full - subject to your right subsequently on behalf of Mr Roger Hayes to challenge the validity of the liability order and if is found that there is no liability then of course that money will be refundable to you [nb. FOTL claims the liability order is a forgery]. Do you agree to that?

FOTL: Sir, under duress, yes I do. Happy with that Sir?

Judge: Do you agree to that?

FOTL: Sir, yes I do, sir.

Judge: It is not under duress. It is a proposition that allows this case to be settled.

FOTL: Sir, I agree in principle to what you suggest.

Judge: With the concurrence of your advocate?

[inaudible]

Judge: Is it agreed that the money is going to be paid?

FOTL: Yes, sir. It is, sir.

http://www.zshare.net/audio/86639170f5c6b230/

Sounds like the judge was making quite an effort not to just throw the asshat in jail and have done with it. Can't wait to see what excuse perfectly legitimate explanation backed by Black's Law Dictionary is wheeled out to explain why our footle friend doesn't pay within the 14 days.

[timhau]

"Sir, I had my fingers crossed the whole time."

[Vladd]

Originally Posted by Sledge

Sounds like the judge was making quite an effort not to just throw the asshat in jail and have done with it. Can't wait to see what excuse perfectly legitimate explanation backed by Black's Law Dictionary is wheeled out to explain why our footle friend doesn't pay within the 14 days.

Where upon he will be 'kidnapped' and brought before the illegal court again.

[Lisa Simpson]

Is this a success?

Sarasota detective fired for trying to secede from U.S.

[tsig]

Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson

Is this a success?

Sarasota detective fired for trying to secede from U.S.

Looks like he's having second thoughts about losing his $75,000 job.

Laughlin has hired a private attorney and plans to appeal the firing. Laughlin now says he made clear that the freeman paperwork was a mistake and that he realizes there should be consequences.

"I screwed up and I deserve to take my lumps," he said. "I know what I did was stupid. But I don't think I deserve to lose my job over it. I have been a police officer since I was 19 years old. This is all I know."

[Sledge]

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In doing so, Laughlin, 42, joined a small but growing group of U.S. citizens who claim they are not subject to federal law, that they no longer have to pay taxes and that their homes are their embassies.

Last week, he was fired for it.

Of course it's a success! He doesn't have to pay income tax now.

[Toke]

Originally Posted by Sledge

Of course it's a success! He doesn't have to pay income tax now.

It is kind of odd how he does not seem to appreciate it as much as the average freeman on the dole?

[Lisa Simpson]

A police officer/Sovereign citizen is a very confusing concept to me.

[Lxj]

Originally Posted by Horatius

Hey! I found one!


"freeman on the land escapes policy enforcers"

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I AGREE

I've been laughing at these threads all day but that was depressing. He is not all there and the cops were incredibly easy on the guy.

Good job Rob, too bad I know he doesn't have a conscience.

[dudalb]

I might be beating a dead horse with this analogy, but every time I read about one of these clowns screaming about how his rights are be violated, I think of the "HelP Help,I;m being oppresed" peasent from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail".

[timhau]

Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson

A police officer/Sovereign citizen is a very confusing concept to me.

Maybe he only catches consenting criminals.

[Lxj]

Originally Posted by Bosozoku

Truly one of the most mind-boggling threads I've ever read. I can't imagine how embarrassed I would be if I gave legal advice to someone that ended up getting that person evicted, but not girlgye - no, she decided to continue her unauthorized practice of law by giving her opinion that the eviction was an illegal entry of the poster's home.

She lost her house, these Freemen are criminals; isn't giving out legal advice illegal or is it only illegal to charge for it? That is if you're not a member of the BAR.

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I honestly can't imagine why anyone reading that thread would continue to take FMOTL seriously. If what they were saying had a shred of truth to it, every lawyer in the country would be making these arguments. What lawyer wouldn't want to tell his client he doesn't have to pay taxes or honor any of his debts?

What attorney wouldn't apply those principals to themselves? That's like people think that drug companies are hiding a cure for cancer. Doctors have to seriously believe in the value of this conspiracy if they die of cancer to keep the lid on it.

[Lxj]

Originally Posted by BobHaulk

You've got to question the bank that loaned her the money. Why are banks lending money to people who have no chance of meeting the payments? Still it just adds to the growing number of fmotl failures. I wonder when the number of failures will be enough for the muppets who believe it to think maybe it's all rubbish. I notice she has some kind of transport, maybe she could drive to freeman village, no wait, sorry, robs utopia didn't get off the ground. Damn, looks like it's the side of the road then.

Simple, she had collateral, her house.

I won't go into the the ethics of loaning someone $222,000 dollars on property worth that much but not having the means to pay if that was the case. I don't know and I doubt we'll ever get the whole sordid story.

If she could meet the monthly payments and then lost her job, I would have sympathy for her but I don't know what happened. Banks will work with you, they don't get their investment back when they repo a house that like all houses have, has lost its equity. Plus, she trashed it on the way out and bragged about it. Courts, of course take a dim view of these kinds of actions.

[Ladewig]

Originally Posted by Lxj

She lost her house, these Freemen are criminals; isn't giving out legal advice illegal or is it only illegal to charge for it? That is if you're not a member of the BAR.


What attorney wouldn't apply those principals to themselves? That's like people think that drug companies are hiding a cure for cancer. Doctors have to seriously believe in the value of this conspiracy if they die of cancer to keep the lid on it.

Yes. I've read posts on Freeman boards in which believers asset that attorneys accused to victimless crimes actually go to jail and serve time rather that blow the lid off the whole system.

[Lxj]

Originally Posted by Sledge

Yeah, giving the benefit of the doubt that any of it is true, the bank has probably given him a couple of months to sort himself out rather than being landed with another house they'd have trouble selling. Why, it's almost as if being honest with people you owe money to is the best policy!

That's probably exactly what happened. No Freemen woo needed, call the bank and make arrangements. They're not sitting licking their chops over the idea of getting back a house that is probably worth less than the loan now and it'll be a foreclosure sale, not exactly profitable.

I don't see banks as knights in shining armor but they aren't sitting around with bags of money with a $ sign on them either.

[Lxj]

Originally Posted by gtm

About 4 but I think he's trying to be 'clever' and is making some 'point' about banks & mortgages .

We should take notice of Yozhiks 'wit' & 'repartee'. He's an important personage in the FMOTL milleau now that he's a moderator on the UCADIA forum .

I'm new to this Freeman b.s but what is girlgye's gender???? Seems to be a little confusion in the name for some reason...

[Lxj]

OK, am I hallucinating or does the cool looking kitteh in your avatar move?

[jargon buster]

female, her names mary gye, here have a read about her here

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84422

[Lisa Simpson]

Yes, that is my kitty Trouble and the avatar moves. I forgot who made it for me. And to bring this back on-topic, Trouble is a Free Cat on the Land. He consents to scritches only when he feels like it. He's quite a success as he has the claws to back it up.

[tsig]

Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson

Yes, that is my kitty Trouble and the avatar moves. I forgot who made it for me. And to bring this back on-topic, Trouble is a Free Cat on the Land. He consents contracts to scritches only when he feels like it. He's quite a success as he has the claws to back it up.

ftfy.

[Rara]

we have our own Freeman....see here...http://www.sovereignshetland.com/PublicNotice.pdf

If you Google his name or nickname "Captain calamity" (there's probably more than one mind)and Forvik...you will get that this is just his latest attempt for attention...that and the "caveman diet"
I will keep you informed of his success...sigh

[Horatius]

Originally Posted by tsig

ftfy.

Wait, she gets paid for scritches? How did she pull that off?

[Stacey Grove]

Originally Posted by Horatius

Wait, she gets paid for scritches? How did she pull that off?

That's the advantage of having a fee schedule in place.

[TSR]

Originally Posted by Horatius

Wait, she gets paid for scritches? How did she pull that off?

.
Ours just demand them. Except for Pixel, AKA She Who Will Not Come Out From Under The Bed, whom we ... appropriated from D's sister, who neglected her. I keep hoping the others (Jonathan, Salami, and Peanut Butter) will teach her to *cover* her business in the litter box, but then if I had my way, they'd all be trained to use the d*mn toilet like *real* people anyway.

But cats don't have owners, they have staff.

Sorry, kind of a pet peeve, if you'll pardon the pun.

Pixel won't...
.

[Lxj]

That was depressing. I don't get any of this, the admiralty courts, the no car registration or insurance?

I'm glad to see you've got their number. I was actually angry after reading about the one woman who lost her 70 year old family house using the FMOTL tactics. I don't see that in their 'victory' section.

[jargon buster]

our friend grndslm has had a success he has decided to share with his forum members
http://freemen.freeforums.org/my-fir...ycle-t296.html

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SUCCESS!! Not the typical kind, but this sub-forum specifically states for us to share our success "no matter how it is".

Well... I've been riding my motorized bicycle every day for about a week or two. I've been riding OFF the road for the most part, so that the Rules of the Road won't even apply to me... or so I thought.

Two undercover cops must've pulled a U-turn and pulled off the road, right in front of me (I was to the left of the left-side of the road, basically)... with their undercover blue lights flashing. I waited 'til I was right beside them to stop, and I could hear them both screaming at me at that point to stop (as if the ambush attack wasn't enough). I stopped right then, cut the engine off, then just started smiling.

They started asking me, "Did you make that yourself? ... Or did you buy it like that?", "Does it have brakes?", "How fast does it go?", and "How big is that engine?"

- Well... I bought it, but I've had to change out most of the parts on here, so I've more or less rebuilt the whole thing.
- Yes, it has front and back brakes. (this is the only part in Mississippi statutes that mentions a motorized bike... the brakes section)
- This 2-stroke goes about 25mph, but my Subaru 4-stroke goes about 20mph, but I'm liking the little extra speed right now.
- It's a 33cc weedeater engine, basically.

They got a few chuckles out of my comments, and they definitely couldn't stop smiling, saying things like... "I know what I'm about to do with my weedeater when I get home", and the driver of the car had one very prominent question that was boggling his mind... "I just can't figure out if that's a bicycle or a motorcycle."

I HAVE LEARNED MY LESSON TO SHUT UP AROUND THOSE WHO THINK THEY KNOW WHAT THE LAW IS. I could have simply stated, "Well.. I ran into a cop a few years ago and ended up getting a no helmet and no headlight tickets", or "Well... I actually just found out at the Law Library that in the Brakes section of the Rules of the Road, this is the only place that motorized bicycles are mentioned, and I'd have to agree with the Attorney General's opinion that since the legislature goes out of their way to mention motorized bicycles in this section and no other sections, then it's not exactly a motor vehicle, as I can propel it around corners and intersections, like I do." BUT I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING.

I just let them look perplexed. The more confused the officer is, the less likely he will be able to understand what it is he's really trying to do.

I was prepared for them to ask for my identification or my name... but they didn't need all that, because I wasn't even on the road, first of all. I really wish they would've asked for it, just so I could bust out some Freeman-Fu, but I guess I got what I needed. Situation was diffused and certainly no animosity was formed.

They simply pointed at a couple cars approaching the intersection and were like, "See how they look to the left, before they look right? They're not looking for you coming from the right." I said, "I realize, but I'm looking out for me... and I'm taking it easy, but thanks for looking out for me, tho."

As the second undercover car was rolling up, the first two cops were letting me go. I started pedaling, telling them about how I was taking it to the weld shop because a fairly new weld had cracked. They kept screaming, "Crank it up!!" Took me a minute (air bubbles in my fuel line for some reason), but I got it. I really should put that 4-stroke Subaru on...

And I definitely need to make a copy of that Attorney General's Opinion to carry with me!!

I just find it funny that at my two stops on my MB... both times, the cops' first question was, "Did you make it yourself? .. Or did you buy it like that?"

Something tells me that cops actually understand commerce more than we give them credit for.

Oh well... I'm FREE!!

you couldn't make it up.
if you did you would make a better job of it than that