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Yahweh · 10th February 2004, 02:16 AM

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geni · 10th February 2004, 03:47 AM

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Originally posted by Rolfe
Explanation of the "Korsakovian" dilution method included in this page here.

Pragmatism rules OK.

Time to find something toxic with a ver high affinity for glass

geni · 11th February 2004, 12:33 PM

The mounthly poll thread over I hpathy is still going on. they must be disscussing the current poll

Eos of the Eons · 11th February 2004, 06:27 PM

I just saw their essay or whatever on us. They included my temper tantrum

We're all very infamous over there now. I feel just a tad guilty, but I didn't even post once on their forum.

Hey, at least we're viruses. Funny thing is, most homeopaths don't believe in viruses. Afterall, it is not microbes that cause disease...it's an "imbalance" in your "energy" that causes the disease.

Aren't they being inconsistent?

xouper · 11th February 2004, 06:54 PM

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Eos of the Eons:

I just saw their essay or whatever on us. They included my temper tantrum

We're all very infamous over there now.

I saw it too.

http://www.hpathy.com/papersnew/dial...ith_hpathy.asp

Bhatia is a real piece of work, eh? He complains about lack of funds and yet ignores an easy million dollar prize if he can do what he claims to be able to do with homeopathy. What a maroon.

Rolfe · 12th February 2004, 02:02 AM

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Originally posted by xouper
Bhatia is a real piece of work, eh? He complains about lack of funds and yet ignores an easy million dollar prize if he can do what he claims to be able to do with homeopathy. What a maroon.

How much profit does Boiron make every year? No overheads on safety or efficacy testing, or quality control, or developing products that don't come up to snuff, just shake the bottle and off you go.

They funded Benveniste's research, which was very speculative and which, if negative, in no way challenged the basic principles of homoeopathy. But nobody seems very keen to get involved and carry out the simple, black/white, yes/no studies that would demonstrate whethere the remedies have any discernable biological effect at all.

Rolfe.

Darat · 12th February 2004, 02:57 AM

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Originally posted by Rolfe
How much profit does Boiron make every year? No overheads on safety or efficacy testing, or quality control, or developing products that don't come up to snuff, just shake the bottle and off you go.

They funded Benveniste's research, which was very speculative and which, if negative, in no way challenged the basic principles of homoeopathy. But nobody seems very keen to get involved and carry out the simple, black/white, yes/no studies that would demonstrate whethere the remedies have any discernable biological effect at all.

Rolfe.

Quite easy to find out, all the financial information is here:http://www.boiron.com/en/htm/06-grou...nance_avis.htm

See http://www.boiron.com/en/htm/06-grou...nance_avis.htm for a summary of sales.

Statement says Net Group income estimated to be over 25 million for 2003.

(Edited to add.)

Another good one to keep on file for when we hear accusations of "big business" and "interested parties".

geni · 12th February 2004, 01:56 PM

This is the site from which a lot of the critisms of the horizen and the abc program are originating from.

http://www.homeopathic.com/articles/media/

Rolfe · 12th February 2004, 02:11 PM

THAT'S interesting. Nearly as interesting as the way none of the people doing the quoting actually said where they were getting it from.

I'm afraid I've almost stopped believing a single word any homoeopath says, starting with Dana Ullmann.

I'm so glad someone finally explained to me what "no true Scotsman" means. Hasn't all that nit-picking of the negative studies given these guys even the slightest inkling of how to design a valid, repeatable, falsifiable trial for themselves? After all, proving a positive effect with something so striking in its actions as homoeopathy ought to be a piece of cake. [/sarcasm] The best answer to all these people who keep doing the experiments wrong so that they come out negative, would surely be to do one right so that it comes out positive.

No?

Rolfe.

PS. I've just watched tonight's Horizon. Turns out that thalidomide is some sort of wonder drug against certain sorts of inflammation, and cancers - especially multiple myeloma. They've even got a souped-up new improved version which isn't teratogenic. Any thoughts on whether certain people will shut up about this one as their best example of the evils of modern Medicine?

geni · 13th February 2004, 04:00 PM

Anyone who has not been banned form hhbb I think It would be a very good idea to do something about this thread

http://www.homeopathyhome.com/ultima...683;p=1#000000

geni · 13th February 2004, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rolfe

PS. I've just watched tonight's Horizon. Turns out that thalidomide is some sort of wonder drug against certain sorts of inflammation, and cancers - especially multiple myeloma. They've even got a souped-up new improved version which isn't teratogenic. Any thoughts on whether certain people will shut up about this one as their best example of the evils of modern Medicine?

This has been around for a while. I can't see it haveing any effect.

Rolfe · 13th February 2004, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by geni
This has been around for a while. I can't see it haveing any effect.

Well, we've already established tonight that I'm pretty slow.

You're right, thalidomide derivatives could cure everything from cancer to ingrowing toenails and it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference.

Rolfe.

geni · 13th February 2004, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rolfe
You're right, thalidomide derivatives could cure everything from cancer to ingrowing toenails and it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference.

Intestestingly thalidomide is as far as we know perfectly safe. The problem was that the drug was not emantomericly pure and it was one of the alturnative enantomers that caused all the problems.

Rolfe · 13th February 2004, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by geni
Anyone who has not been banned form hhbb I think It would be a very good idea to do something about this thread

http://www.homeopathyhome.com/ultima...683;p=1#000000

I'm not subscribed. Other people have gone out to dinner, I believe.

Toronto is a civilised place. I hope the people looking after this kid would have something to say about relatives who tried to bale out to homoeopathy. On the other hand, isn't CCH preying on the area relatively near there?

Rolfe.

Badly Shaved Monkey · 15th February 2004, 07:09 AM

One of the funniest things about that thread is Divina's mad rant.

HansW is correct. Within their own fantasy world he knows what the rules are better than the rest of them. He is spot on when criticism the maniac Divina for thinking of applying homeopathic remedies in an 'allopathic' style.

Yet it is also she who is the only one to claim that they could cure cancer if only they could get their hands on the cases. The others seem content to pretend that they palliate the side effects of treatment. no mention then of the impossibility of prescribing accurately when the symtom pattern has been 'deranged' by proper medicine. Yet another example of them trynig to have it both ways. A bit like the weird mental contortions that Bach requires us to do when talking about antidoting remedies at hpathy.com

geni · 15th February 2004, 07:10 AM

Isn't hansw the one who claimed to have cured cancer?

Badly Shaved Monkey · 15th February 2004, 08:34 AM

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Originally posted by geni
Isn't hansw the one who claimed to have cured cancer?

Don't know.

They have a tendency to be able to cure anything in principle because homeopathy is a cure-all, but when it comes down to clearcut serious diseases they all bleat that they never get their hands on a case.

Look up Cystic Fibrosis at HoHom for a thread showing this.

Cystic Fibrosis

Rolfe · 15th February 2004, 09:46 AM

Wow! Well, maybe that unedifying catfight will scare off the original enquirer. I hope so, anyway.

I had a look at the CF thread too - I hadn't realised that Hahnemann had been quite so openly mocked to his face in his lifetime! The delusional nature of the whole thing would just be sad if it wasn't that it sucks sick and vulnerable people in, and potentially away from interventions that might actually make a difference.

By the time Albert starts declaring that allopaths are all murderers and allopathy has never cured anything (well, that may be true in the strict sense of the term, because "allopathy" is nothing but a non-existent straw-man constructed by Hahnemann, but we all know that he means real medicine), it becomes only too clear that the poor dears merely differ in the depth to which they take the delusion.

Rolfe.

Badly Shaved Monkey · 15th February 2004, 11:00 AM

Scandal:

Hideous Freudian slip means Feud was talking bollocks.

I wrote;

" They have a tendency to be able to cure anything in principle because homeopathy is a cure-all, but when it comes down to clearcut serious diseases they all bleat that they never get their hands on a case."

I meant to write;

" They have a tendency to claim to be able to cure anything in principle because homeopathy is a cure-all, but when it comes down to clearcut serious diseases they all bleat that they never get their hands on a case."

But didn't spot it until after the 60min window ended.

Whatever dear old Siggy might say I definitely did not subconsciously intend to write the first version, it's just that I think faster than I can type. (A drunken slug can think faster than I can type)

Rolfe · 15th February 2004, 11:40 AM

Actually, what you originally wrote conveyed your meaning perfectly well. There's a big difference between being about to cure anything in principle, and being able to cure anything at all in practice.

Rolfe (still reading incredulously through that CF thread....).

Eos of the Eons · 15th February 2004, 08:01 PM

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Regarding vaccination also, your views are not correct. I agree that some vaccines can be done without but not all, e.g. polio, small pox etc. Statistics have repeatedly shown decline of these diseases and it is attributable only to vaccination.
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The diseases you are talking about here do not affect people living in sanitary conditions who get enough to eat. It is widely known and accepted even in the medical field that nutrition and sanitation improvements have been responsible for eliminating the dangers of these diseases. Not vaccines.

Smallpox vaccines continue to create massive harm in people generations after they were administered. Read the Materia medica for Thuja if you would like to know the insidious and pervasive nature of this disease, which we all carry in latency because of that vaccine.

http://www.homeopathyhome.com/ultima...2;t=007323;p=2

Argh argh argh!!!!! Freakin liar. I'm glad someone there is calling her out on it. Sheessshhhh

Francine sure is getting the runaround

"umn ah umm, well you see, it's not genes that are the cause of CF,,,yah, umm, allopathy has no idea what they are talking about when it comes to genes...and uh, we are trying to find out. We don't know how to cure CF yet, but uhhhhhh....we're finding out what energy mackathinga causes it so we can address it since allopaths are soooo ignorant and cannot...yah..oh, this person said it better [Curing CF isn't dependent on "fixing" or "replacing" the gene that's "wrong". It is dependent on restoring the individual vital force's ability to function optimally, despite what genes exist or do not exist.

"In some cases, the genetic determinants may be a factor which hinders the extent to which full vital force integrity can be restored...in other cases, this will have no bearing. It all depends on the individual patient]. Yeah, what he said, and CF has spontaneous remission anyway, you know, when allopathy isn't mucking with patient"

idioms on idioms. ugh.

geni · 17th February 2004, 01:36 PM

Hahnemann belived that homeopathy could kill.

Quote:

. If we wish, for example, to attenuate a drop of the juice of sundew, (Drosera rotundifolia, a plant, which, along with its various species, grows on moist meadow-ground, and is very noxious to sheep.) to the decillointh, but shake each of the bottles with twenty or more succusions from a powerful arm, in the hand of which the bottle is held, in that case this medicine, which I have discovered to be the specific remedy for the frightful epidemic hooping-cough of children, will have become so powerful in the fifteenth attenuation (spiritualization) that a drop of it given in a tea-spoonful of water would endanger the life of such a child;

http://www.minutus.org/howsmall.htm

The rest of the article is also quite interesting (ie wrong)

So now we have it on the ultimate homeopathic authority. Homeopathy can kill.

10th February 2004, 02:16 AM	#41
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10th February 2004, 02:30 AM	#42
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11th February 2004, 06:27 PM	#45
Eos of the Eons Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Alberta Posts: 13,894	I just saw their essay or whatever on us. They included my temper tantrum We're all very infamous over there now. I feel just a tad guilty, but I didn't even post once on their forum. Hey, at least we're viruses. Funny thing is, most homeopaths don't believe in viruses. Afterall, it is not microbes that cause disease...it's an "imbalance" in your "energy" that causes the disease. Aren't they being inconsistent?
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11th February 2004, 06:54 PM	#46
xouper Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,189	Quote: Eos of the Eons: I just saw their essay or whatever on us. They included my temper tantrum We're all very infamous over there now. I saw it too. http://www.hpathy.com/papersnew/dial...ith_hpathy.asp Bhatia is a real piece of work, eh? He complains about lack of funds and yet ignores an easy million dollar prize if he can do what he claims to be able to do with homeopathy. What a maroon.
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12th February 2004, 02:02 AM	#47
Rolfe Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 34,312	Quote: Originally posted by xouper Bhatia is a real piece of work, eh? He complains about lack of funds and yet ignores an easy million dollar prize if he can do what he claims to be able to do with homeopathy. What a maroon. How much profit does Boiron make every year? No overheads on safety or efficacy testing, or quality control, or developing products that don't come up to snuff, just shake the bottle and off you go. They funded Benveniste's research, which was very speculative and which, if negative, in no way challenged the basic principles of homoeopathy. But nobody seems very keen to get involved and carry out the simple, black/white, yes/no studies that would demonstrate whethere the remedies have any discernable biological effect at all. Rolfe.
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10th February 2004, 03:47 AM	#43
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,555	Quote: Originally posted by Rolfe Explanation of the "Korsakovian" dilution method included in this page here. Pragmatism rules OK. Time to find something toxic with a ver high affinity for glass

11th February 2004, 12:33 PM	#44
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,555	The mounthly poll thread over I hpathy is still going on. they must be disscussing the current poll

12th February 2004, 02:57 AM	#48
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,732	Quote: Originally posted by Rolfe How much profit does Boiron make every year? No overheads on safety or efficacy testing, or quality control, or developing products that don't come up to snuff, just shake the bottle and off you go. They funded Benveniste's research, which was very speculative and which, if negative, in no way challenged the basic principles of homoeopathy. But nobody seems very keen to get involved and carry out the simple, black/white, yes/no studies that would demonstrate whethere the remedies have any discernable biological effect at all. Rolfe. Quite easy to find out, all the financial information is here:http://www.boiron.com/en/htm/06-grou...nance_avis.htm See http://www.boiron.com/en/htm/06-grou...nance_avis.htm for a summary of sales. Statement says Net Group income estimated to be over 25 million for 2003. (Edited to add.) Another good one to keep on file for when we hear accusations of "big business" and "interested parties".
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12th February 2004, 01:56 PM	#49
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,555	This is the site from which a lot of the critisms of the horizen and the abc program are originating from. http://www.homeopathic.com/articles/media/

12th February 2004, 02:11 PM	#50
Rolfe Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 34,312	THAT'S interesting. Nearly as interesting as the way none of the people doing the quoting actually said where they were getting it from. I'm afraid I've almost stopped believing a single word any homoeopath says, starting with Dana Ullmann. I'm so glad someone finally explained to me what "no true Scotsman" means. Hasn't all that nit-picking of the negative studies given these guys even the slightest inkling of how to design a valid, repeatable, falsifiable trial for themselves? After all, proving a positive effect with something so striking in its actions as homoeopathy ought to be a piece of cake. [/sarcasm] The best answer to all these people who keep doing the experiments wrong so that they come out negative, would surely be to do one right so that it comes out positive. No? Rolfe. PS. I've just watched tonight's Horizon. Turns out that thalidomide is some sort of wonder drug against certain sorts of inflammation, and cancers - especially multiple myeloma. They've even got a souped-up new improved version which isn't teratogenic. Any thoughts on whether certain people will shut up about this one as their best example of the evils of modern Medicine?
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13th February 2004, 04:00 PM	#51
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,555	Anyone who has not been banned form hhbb I think It would be a very good idea to do something about this thread http://www.homeopathyhome.com/ultima...683;p=1#000000

13th February 2004, 04:04 PM	#52
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,555	Quote: Originally posted by Rolfe PS. I've just watched tonight's Horizon. Turns out that thalidomide is some sort of wonder drug against certain sorts of inflammation, and cancers - especially multiple myeloma. They've even got a souped-up new improved version which isn't teratogenic. Any thoughts on whether certain people will shut up about this one as their best example of the evils of modern Medicine? This has been around for a while. I can't see it haveing any effect.

13th February 2004, 04:18 PM	#53
Rolfe Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 34,312	Quote: Originally posted by geni This has been around for a while. I can't see it haveing any effect. Well, we've already established tonight that I'm pretty slow. You're right, thalidomide derivatives could cure everything from cancer to ingrowing toenails and it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference. Rolfe.
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13th February 2004, 04:59 PM	#54
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,555	Quote: Originally posted by Rolfe You're right, thalidomide derivatives could cure everything from cancer to ingrowing toenails and it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference. Intestestingly thalidomide is as far as we know perfectly safe. The problem was that the drug was not emantomericly pure and it was one of the alturnative enantomers that caused all the problems.

13th February 2004, 05:05 PM	#55
Rolfe Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 34,312	Quote: Originally posted by geni Anyone who has not been banned form hhbb I think It would be a very good idea to do something about this thread http://www.homeopathyhome.com/ultima...683;p=1#000000 I'm not subscribed. Other people have gone out to dinner, I believe. Toronto is a civilised place. I hope the people looking after this kid would have something to say about relatives who tried to bale out to homoeopathy. On the other hand, isn't CCH preying on the area relatively near there? Rolfe.
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15th February 2004, 07:09 AM	#56
Badly Shaved Monkey Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Outside a banana and far from a razor Posts: 5,262	One of the funniest things about that thread is Divina's mad rant. HansW is correct. Within their own fantasy world he knows what the rules are better than the rest of them. He is spot on when criticism the maniac Divina for thinking of applying homeopathic remedies in an 'allopathic' style. Yet it is also she who is the only one to claim that they could cure cancer if only they could get their hands on the cases. The others seem content to pretend that they palliate the side effects of treatment. no mention then of the impossibility of prescribing accurately when the symtom pattern has been 'deranged' by proper medicine. Yet another example of them trynig to have it both ways. A bit like the weird mental contortions that Bach requires us to do when talking about antidoting remedies at hpathy.com

15th February 2004, 07:10 AM	#57
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,555	Isn't hansw the one who claimed to have cured cancer?

15th February 2004, 08:34 AM	#58
Badly Shaved Monkey Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Outside a banana and far from a razor Posts: 5,262	Quote: Originally posted by geni Isn't hansw the one who claimed to have cured cancer? Don't know. They have a tendency to be able to cure anything in principle because homeopathy is a cure-all, but when it comes down to clearcut serious diseases they all bleat that they never get their hands on a case. Look up Cystic Fibrosis at HoHom for a thread showing this. Cystic Fibrosis

15th February 2004, 09:46 AM	#59
Rolfe Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 34,312	Wow! Well, maybe that unedifying catfight will scare off the original enquirer. I hope so, anyway. I had a look at the CF thread too - I hadn't realised that Hahnemann had been quite so openly mocked to his face in his lifetime! The delusional nature of the whole thing would just be sad if it wasn't that it sucks sick and vulnerable people in, and potentially away from interventions that might actually make a difference. By the time Albert starts declaring that allopaths are all murderers and allopathy has never cured anything (well, that may be true in the strict sense of the term, because "allopathy" is nothing but a non-existent straw-man constructed by Hahnemann, but we all know that he means real medicine), it becomes only too clear that the poor dears merely differ in the depth to which they take the delusion. Rolfe.
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15th February 2004, 11:00 AM	#60
Badly Shaved Monkey Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Outside a banana and far from a razor Posts: 5,262	Scandal: Hideous Freudian slip means Feud was talking bollocks. I wrote; " They have a tendency to be able to cure anything in principle because homeopathy is a cure-all, but when it comes down to clearcut serious diseases they all bleat that they never get their hands on a case." I meant to write; " They have a tendency to claim to be able to cure anything in principle because homeopathy is a cure-all, but when it comes down to clearcut serious diseases they all bleat that they never get their hands on a case." But didn't spot it until after the 60min window ended. Whatever dear old Siggy might say I definitely did not subconsciously intend to write the first version, it's just that I think faster than I can type. (A drunken slug can think faster than I can type)

15th February 2004, 11:40 AM	#61
Rolfe Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 34,312	Actually, what you originally wrote conveyed your meaning perfectly well. There's a big difference between being about to cure anything in principle, and being able to cure anything at all in practice. Rolfe (still reading incredulously through that CF thread....).
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15th February 2004, 08:01 PM	#62
Eos of the Eons Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Alberta Posts: 13,894	Quote: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regarding vaccination also, your views are not correct. I agree that some vaccines can be done without but not all, e.g. polio, small pox etc. Statistics have repeatedly shown decline of these diseases and it is attributable only to vaccination. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The diseases you are talking about here do not affect people living in sanitary conditions who get enough to eat. It is widely known and accepted even in the medical field that nutrition and sanitation improvements have been responsible for eliminating the dangers of these diseases. Not vaccines. Smallpox vaccines continue to create massive harm in people generations after they were administered. Read the Materia medica for Thuja if you would like to know the insidious and pervasive nature of this disease, which we all carry in latency because of that vaccine. http://www.homeopathyhome.com/ultima...2;t=007323;p=2 Argh argh argh!!!!! Freakin liar. I'm glad someone there is calling her out on it. Sheessshhhh Francine sure is getting the runaround "umn ah umm, well you see, it's not genes that are the cause of CF,,,yah, umm, allopathy has no idea what they are talking about when it comes to genes...and uh, we are trying to find out. We don't know how to cure CF yet, but uhhhhhh....we're finding out what energy mackathinga causes it so we can address it since allopaths are soooo ignorant and cannot...yah..oh, this person said it better [Curing CF isn't dependent on "fixing" or "replacing" the gene that's "wrong". It is dependent on restoring the individual vital force's ability to function optimally, despite what genes exist or do not exist. "In some cases, the genetic determinants may be a factor which hinders the extent to which full vital force integrity can be restored...in other cases, this will have no bearing. It all depends on the individual patient]. Yeah, what he said, and CF has spontaneous remission anyway, you know, when allopathy isn't mucking with patient" idioms on idioms. ugh.
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17th February 2004, 01:36 PM	#63
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,555	Hahnemann belived that homeopathy could kill. Quote: . If we wish, for example, to attenuate a drop of the juice of sundew, (Drosera rotundifolia, a plant, which, along with its various species, grows on moist meadow-ground, and is very noxious to sheep.) to the decillointh, but shake each of the bottles with twenty or more succusions from a powerful arm, in the hand of which the bottle is held, in that case this medicine, which I have discovered to be the specific remedy for the frightful epidemic hooping-cough of children, will have become so powerful in the fifteenth attenuation (spiritualization) that a drop of it given in a tea-spoonful of water would endanger the life of such a child; http://www.minutus.org/howsmall.htm The rest of the article is also quite interesting (ie wrong) So now we have it on the ultimate homeopathic authority. Homeopathy can kill.