Can Dimethyltryptamine DMT create Psychic Visions

woddyallen · 15th June 2010, 03:27 PM

Just 3 years ago I was an Extreme hard-core SKEPTIC on Psychics, ESP, Remote viewing or what ever you want to call it. Today I am not a skeptic but I am still very cautious. You see, I never really believed in Psychics, ESP or Remote viewing after the age of 14, I am 43 today. Actually I was going to be a physicist when I was younger and I was strictly Newtonian Cartesian, the Quantum I couldn't really agree with because it had a bit of a metaphysics flavor to it, it just didn't feel right.

I began becoming aware of having premonitions just last year, and my denial of Psychics, ESP and Remote Viewing finally broke in April of 2010. The visions I was having through out my life I would chalk up to random chance, or the possibility that the human brain being the most powerful computer on earth was extrapolating data and predicting the most probable out come.

Here is my site outlining my question on if DMT can create Psychic visions...

I can not paste URL's in this forum as I am a new member and as a new member I must have 15 posts behind my belt before I can paste URL's So to get around this...

Please cut and paste this "brownskinwife.yolasite.com" into Google the first Hit should be "Dr Strassman DMT dimethyltryptamine"...Please Click on this and read.

Then Please read the "My Story" Section of the site. Like many of you I was a skeptic as well so I know where you are coming from, but remember, please read those 2 pages. The Home page (Dr Strassman DMT dimethyltryptamine) and the My Story page as well.

Or check out the entire site, it is a cool read, anyway and like I said earlier though today I am not a skeptic I am still cautious.

If people complain about the links I will edit and shorten the text and put it in the forum in place of the link, I do not want to make anyone upset.

I know James Has a 1 Million Dollar give away for anyone claiming to Posses Senses out side of our 5 physical senses, but it is not the money that is important to me, it is the truth that is important to me. I am an Alturist, my possessions include a Broken Lap Top, 10 Books and a few photographs. I have shelter, I have food and I have amazing wicked friends that I call family as well as family, which is all I need. So the 1 million dollars really doesn't matter to me. Love, helping people, healing and giving are what are important to me, it is apart of my DNA.

Can DMT create Psychic Visions? I am not special, I for lack of a better word, was angry against Psychics, I used to laugh when ever I saw a "Neon "Psychic" sign and a "Out of business" sign at the same location. I used to joke and say..."I wonder if they saw that one coming?". I don't laugh today however.

Please look at my site and help me answer this question, "Can DMT create Psychic Visions?" Please James keep the 1 million, help people with it perhaps or help to discover the truth with it.

Are there any studys currently done with Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) in relation to ESP? If so can I partake in a study to finally answer this question, if there are no studys then my question is "WHY?", what are we afraid to discover from a simple study?

Naddig74 · 15th June 2010, 04:15 PM

Interesting. I was considering starting a thread myself on ''Why do so many drug users ascribe 'mystical' qualities to their high.'' I'll be interested to see how this develops.

ETA: Well, I assumed this was a 'take DMT, see the future thing. ' but it seems he claims to create DMT within his body by meditation and prayer. Go figure.

Czarcasm · 15th June 2010, 04:16 PM

Random capitalization? Check.
Consistent misspelling of common words(studys)? Check.
Misuse of scientific terms? Check.
Vague claim? Check.
"Yoosta be a skeptic till I saw the light"? Check.

Rat · 15th June 2010, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Czarcasm

Random capitalization? Check.
Consistent misspelling of common words(studys)? Check.
Misuse of scientific terms? Check.
Vague claim? Check.
"Yoosta be a skeptic till I saw the light"? Check.

"Don't want or need the million" (even to give to a worthy cause for ten minutes' work?) Check.

Naddig74 · 15th June 2010, 04:29 PM

Anyone else reading the link get the feeling he's getting higher and higher as it goes along?

kedo1981 · 15th June 2010, 04:46 PM

Psychic Visions no!
Sounds more like it turns you into a pathetic lying attention whore.
But hey to each it’s own

Olowkow · 15th June 2010, 05:07 PM

Here's the link:

http://brownskinwife.yolasite.com/

Welcome to the JREF woodyallen. Good luck!

Naddig74 · 15th June 2010, 05:11 PM

Ok, waded through it all (and took a short sanity break to watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md1CK...os=5YS0aZSN1No half way through).

Confused usage of there/their/they're; check.

It's the nets longest, wierdest, most rambling dating ad.

Can you predict something, and divulge the details to us before it actually happens?

Olowkow · 15th June 2010, 05:18 PM

What psychic visions did you have? What documented evidence do you have that you saw the future? If you have none, your claims are not something that will find acceptance here.

Gord_in_Toronto · 15th June 2010, 05:51 PM

ROTFL.

Bloodtoes · 15th June 2010, 06:12 PM

... Joe Rogan, is that you?

Naddig74 · 15th June 2010, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Bloodtoes

... Joe Rogan, is that you?

I know...I'd developed a lot of respect for Joe -he knows his BJJ- and a lot of it just evaporated.

Loss Leader · 15th June 2010, 06:21 PM

Call me crazy, but for some reason I think the real Woody Allen would approve of his post.

Because, you know, Woody Allen loves tripping his face off.

23_Tauri · 16th June 2010, 01:52 AM

I've worked with ayahuasceros in the Amazon jungle and at no point did any of them ever claim to be able to see into the future. Where does this idea that DMT can make you psychic come from? Whacked out woo Westerners?

wardenclyffe · 16th June 2010, 01:58 AM

woddyallen,

Since you were a hardcore skeptic before you discovered your ability to have psychic visions, why don't you tell us what you think would be an appropriate test? I'm willing to believe that you are serious. Put yourself in the shoes you wore three years ago. How would you have approached someone with your claims? Please suggest a starting point for a test protocol and we can go from there.

Thanks,
Ward

Sledge · 16th June 2010, 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by woddyallen

Just 3 years ago I was an Extreme hard-core SKEPTIC

No you weren't. Why?

Originally Posted by woddyallen

the Quantum I couldn't really agree with because it had a bit of a metaphysics flavor to it, it just didn't feel right.

Yeah, that's how we determine what's true, whether it feels right.

Ethan Thane Athen · 16th June 2010, 05:18 AM

Originally Posted by woddyallen

I know James Has a 1 Million Dollar give away for anyone claiming to Posses Senses out side of our 5 physical senses, but it is not the money that is important to me... So the 1 million dollars really doesn't matter to me. Love, helping people, healing and giving are what are important to me, it is apart of my DNA....

1 Million Dollars would help a lot of people....and if you don't win it, it's just going to sit in the bank....or be won by someone less altruistic than yourself.

Sooo, following that logic, what reason are you going to give now for not getting tested.....?

fagin · 16th June 2010, 05:21 AM

In a word

No
No
No
No
No
No
No

fagin · 16th June 2010, 05:22 AM

Where did the thumbs up come from?

uk_dave · 16th June 2010, 06:29 AM

I think it's Roman

23_Tauri · 16th June 2010, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by woddyallen

Are there any studys currently done with Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) in relation to ESP?

No.
Research that has been carried out focuses the more practical and more widely reported psycho-therapeutic benefits due to the effects of DMT on neuro-chemistry and neuro-genesis.

Naddig74 · 16th June 2010, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by fagin

In a word

No
No
No
No
No
No
No

That's 7 words.

Who thinks we'll hear from 'Woddy' again?

geirka · 16th June 2010, 07:31 AM

The effects of Dimethyltryptamine as a hallucinogenic drug has been covered in Alexander Shulgin's bizarre (but fairly amusing) book "Tryptamines I Have Known And Loved" (TIHKAL). I guess linking to it is borderline illegal in an American forum, but this quote is representative:

Quote:

(with 60 mg smoked) "Rapid onset, and in a completely stoned isolation in about a minute for about three minutes. Slow return but continued afterglow (pleasant) for thirty minutes. Repeated three times, with no apparent tolerance or change in chronology. Easily handled. The intoxication is of limited usefulness but the residues are completely relaxing."

ESP? Psychic? Don't think so...

Naddig74 · 16th June 2010, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by geirka

The effects of Dimethyltryptamine as a hallucinogenic drug has been covered in Alexander Shulgin's bizarre (but fairly amusing) book "Tryptamines I Have Known And Loved" (TIHKAL). I guess linking to it is borderline illegal in an American forum, but this quote is representative:
ESP? Psychic? Don't think so...

Did you read PIHKAL? (Phenylethamines I Have Known And Loved) That was quite entertaining, I never read such a big book so quickly.

roger · 16th June 2010, 07:44 AM

woddyallen, the JREF challenge isn't going to do any test that requires illegal actions (possessing, using a controlled substance), so there is no point in pursuing that. of course, if you are getting the DMT through meditation or something, you should be fine. I (none of us) speak for the JREF, but stuff like this (no illegalities) is pretty standard.

As far as the million goes, if you were able to test and win, you could give the money to any charity in the world. So don't turn your nose up to it is my suggestion.

Your website is not convincing. As a former skeptic, you should understand that skepticism isn't just rolling your eyes at something you find doubtful, instead, it is the active search for solid evidence, and reserving judgement until them.

The first step is evidence of existence. Your site seems to go into method a lot - meditation and the like. It really doesn't matter how you do what you do at this stage. We won't even entertain the question until we have evidence that you actually achieve something.

So that is why some of the posts above ask for verifiable predictions. Let's face it, no one has presented solid evidence for ESP in the entire history of the world, and you are claiming to take reality altering drugs. The most likely explanation is merely that you are mistaken. But, if you are not, you are going to have to provide solid evidence, not websites about meditation, chi, and the like. For example, a prediction like "At 803UTM, January 3rd, 2011, flight 7343 will crash in Quito..." would be very testable and fairly convincing. A prediction like "a major tragedy will occur within six months" is both completely untestable (tragedies happen everyday) and totally unconvincing.

People here will happily work with you to figure out tests, but you have to stop accusing people of being "afraid".

Offer something concrete to us, we are anxious to help you. Really. But only if you stick to reality and drop the accusations of fear and what not.

(some of the rest of you posting are welcome in the "bullying" thread, I'm sure)

sadhatter · 16th June 2010, 08:43 AM

You know what bugs me. I enjoy a bit of puff from time , and in my younger days had a few other drugs.

What the hell are people expecting when they do drugs? Their intent is to mess with your brain, and all these woo's get that effect and then ascribe something mystical to it.

To answer the op, No, this is actually the exact opposite of an unexplained phenomenon. You are ingesting a drug and your mind is firing weirdly. If your experience was real, then i would like to give a warning to everyone here that there is no less than one dragon on earth that tends to fly around a beer store in my area. Personally i think this was a hallucination brought on by things i ingested at the time, but if suddenly things experienced on drugs are real, watch out friends.

woddyallen · 16th June 2010, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by Naddig74

That's 7 words.

Who thinks we'll hear from 'Woddy' again?

I have since edited this post, I got frustrated and spoke a harsh truth from my perspective.

I JUST WANT STUDY'S NOT DEBATE!!!

CAN DMT create psychic visions?!?!?!

Naddig74 · 16th June 2010, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by sadhatter

You know what bugs me. I enjoy a bit of puff from time , and in my younger days had a few other drugs.

What the hell are people expecting when they do drugs? Their intent is to mess with your brain, and all these woo's get that effect and then ascribe something mystical to it.

Agreed. Several acquaintances of mine insist on the existence of 'pixies' on Dartmoor because they did a load of mushrooms and saw them... This wasn't a hallucination brought on by psylocybin, oh no, mushrooms give you the power to see the pixies. The girl I was seeing at the time left me because I scoffed at this; in retrospect, no real loss.

ETA: By this logic, there really is a werewolf living in my garden who looked in the window and told me good jokes, and my friend Paul has the ability to transform himself into a goat.

godless dave · 16th June 2010, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by geirka

The effects of Dimethyltryptamine as a hallucinogenic drug has been covered in Alexander Shulgin's bizarre (but fairly amusing) book "Tryptamines I Have Known And Loved" (TIHKAL). I guess linking to it is borderline illegal in an American forum,

As long as you are not selling or distributing the drug, there is nothing illegal about linking to a book or article about illegal drugs. Remember, Americans can legally buy High Times at a newsstand or bookstore. American drug laws are insane, but they have not yet been successfully extended to infringe on free speech.

JREF may have stricter policies, however.

godless dave · 16th June 2010, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by Naddig74

ETA: Well, I assumed this was a 'take DMT, see the future thing. ' but it seems he claims to create DMT within his body by meditation and prayer. Go figure.

The human body creates DMT naturally, so this claim is not necessarily impossible.

Naddig74 · 16th June 2010, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by woddyallen

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I am Asking IF DMT CAN create Psychic visions?

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And we are answering 'No, we don't think so.''

Naddig74 · 16th June 2010, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by godless dave

The human body creates DMT naturally, so this claim is not necessarily impossible.

Granted.

Crossbow · 16th June 2010, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by woddyallen

Just 3 years ago I was an Extreme hard-core SKEPTIC on Psychics, ESP, Remote viewing or what ever you want to call it.

... snipped for brevity ...

Are there any studys currently done with Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) in relation to ESP? If so can I partake in a study to finally answer this question, if there are no studys then my question is "WHY?", what are we afraid to discover from a simple study?

How odd! A few years ago there was someone here at JREF who said almost the same sort of thing.

I think it was 'UndercoverElephant' who claimed that he could communicate with extra-terrestials while under the influence of DMT and therefore he should be awarded the $ 1,000,000 prize money. Of course, he could never proove his claim, so he never got the money.

In short, people can imagine all sorts of things while under the influence of drugs, but that does not mean those things are real.

Therefore, my advice is for you to keep off drugs, to stay sober, and to make money honestly; and you will be much better off.

Hokulele · 16th June 2010, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by woddyallen

I am Asking IF DMT CAN create Psychic visions?

So AGAIN lets perform a clinical study. Be real skeptics and prove this with SCIENCE

CAN DMT CREATE PSYCHIC VISIONS! PROVE IT RIGHT OR WRONG WITH SCIENCE

PUT UP OR SHUT UP

If you are regularly receiving visions, the easiest way to test this will be to create a diary that is posted on-line and can be verified to see if any of the visions come true. Not posting things after the fact. We had a poster here not long ago who claimed to have visions similar to this (although they were spontaneous, not triggered by, er, stuff). When he posted them in detail, none of them came true.

None.

Personal Grudge · 16th June 2010, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by woddyallen

"No" is only a word, it is NOT a study, I know about reeling people in to emotions and flaming, I don't want a debate I want a STUDY!

So my question Again, and again and again, Let us do a Clinical Scientific Study and shut me up...do you skeptics want to put this to rest..???

I am not saying DMT Creates Psychic visions!

I am Asking IF DMT CAN create Psychic visions?

So AGAIN lets perform a clinical study. Be real skeptics and prove this with SCIENCE

CAN DMT CREATE PSYCHIC VISIONS! PROVE IT RIGHT OR WRONG WITH SCIENCE

PUT UP OR SHUT UP

There would first need to be some evidence that psychic visions even exist before a study should be conducted to determine causes. Searching for the cause of a non-existent effect is a complete waste of time.

SonOfLaertes · 16th June 2010, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by sadhatter

You know what bugs me. I enjoy a bit of puff from time , and in my younger days had a few other drugs.

What the hell are people expecting when they do drugs? Their intent is to mess with your brain, and all these woo's get that effect and then ascribe something mystical to it.

To answer the op, No, this is actually the exact opposite of an unexplained phenomenon. You are ingesting a drug and your mind is firing weirdly. If your experience was real, then i would like to give a warning to everyone here that there is no less than one dragon on earth that tends to fly around a beer store in my area. Personally i think this was a hallucination brought on by things i ingested at the time, but if suddenly things experienced on drugs are real, watch out friends.

Perhaps the dragon was underaged and was just looking for someone to buy him and his buddies a case or two.

I have never ingested the "harder" hallucinogenic drugs; it must be passing strange to see something like a dragon, even if you realize that it is an effect of the drug.

Woddyallen, we cannot encourage or participate in a study that is illegal in nature. You should be able to understand that.

woddyallen · 16th June 2010, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by roger

woddyallen, the JREF challenge isn't going to do any test that requires illegal actions (possessing, using a controlled substance), so there is no point in pursuing that. of course, if you are getting the DMT through meditation or something, you should be fine. I (none of us) speak for the JREF, but stuff like this (no illegalities) is pretty standard.

Doing a clinical study isn't illegal, can you folks make this happen?

Originally Posted by roger

So that is why some of the posts above ask for verifiable predictions. Let's face it, no one has presented solid evidence for ESP in the entire history of the world, and you are claiming to take reality altering drugs. The most likely explanation is merely that you are mistaken. But, if you are not, you are going to have to provide solid evidence, not websites about meditation, chi, and the like. For example, a prediction like "At 803UTM, January 3rd, 2011, flight 7343 will crash in Quito..." would be very testable and fairly convincing. A prediction like "a major tragedy will occur within six months" is both completely untestable (tragedies happen everyday) and totally unconvincing.

I thought about including my exwife as a verifiable witness to the DC Sniper being 2 black males one younger one older shooting from the trunk of heir big blue late to mid 80's car, taking turns shooting out of the trunk...When the FBI was looking for a white male in a white van.

But I will ask her for her permission If she is talks Directly To James and you as well Roger, this should not be a problem for her. But she is very fragile and I wouldn't want to expose her to any abuse and bulling from some people, not all here but a couple that may harm her. If you have James ear roger could you relay my idea of doing a study. Keep the money to help people or to expose the true FRAUDS that harm people out there. My Motivation is not money, fame or anything other than seeing if DMT can in fact create Psychic visions. And I think doing a scientific clinical study isn't illegal!

Originally Posted by roger

People here will happily work with you to figure out tests, but you have to stop accusing people of being "afraid".

I will no longer accuse people of being afraid, actually it is I who is afraid which is why you picked up on my accusation, I am sorry, I make mistakes and I admit when I am wrong, I WAS WRONG!

Originally Posted by roger

Offer something concrete to us, we are anxious to help you. Really. But only if you stick to reality and drop the accusations of fear and what not.

LETS DO THIS, James has connections to psychologists and I am sure as a scientific skeptic he MORE than anyone on earth can MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

Personal Grudge · 16th June 2010, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by woddyallen

LETS DO THIS, James has connections to psychologists and I am sure as a scientific skeptic he MORE than anyone on earth can MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

But WHY would he make this happen? If you provided evidence first that psychic visions do exist, then I'm sure scientists will line up at your door wanting to perform experiments to discover the mechanism.

Without evidence, you are asking people to conduct an experiment to discover the cause of an event that almost certainly does not occur.

MortFurd · 16th June 2010, 09:32 AM

Actually, you've got a concrete suggestion already given above:
Log all your predictions online before the predicted event happens. If the predictions come true, then you've got proof of something that can be investigated. Up to that point, no one has to know how you got your visions. Whether you are taking DMT, licking tomatoes, or sticking beans up your nose to cause the visions is irrelevant. Once you prove that you can actually predict the future, you can begin worrying about the HOW of predicting the future.

Since you say that you are causing DMT to be produced wihtin your body by meditating, all you really need to do is provide some checkable predictions. There's no need to try to get anyone to start a study and get hold of DMT to dose people with.

Prove to yourself FIRST that you really can predict the future. You can prove it to us at the same time. If you really can do it, then the study can be done - but I'd suggest checking for the presence of DMT in the body. That is to say, don't take any. Do your meditation, predict the future, and see if your natural DMT level is elevated (there are tests for such things.)

No need really at all for anyone to be taking controlled substances.

BoogieWoogieWookie · 16th June 2010, 09:53 AM

Why is it that people come here, make claims, then ask us to prove their claims for them?

15th June 2010, 03:27 PM	#1
woddyallen Student Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 26	Can Dimethyltryptamine DMT create Psychic Visions Just 3 years ago I was an Extreme hard-core SKEPTIC on Psychics, ESP, Remote viewing or what ever you want to call it. Today I am not a skeptic but I am still very cautious. You see, I never really believed in Psychics, ESP or Remote viewing after the age of 14, I am 43 today. Actually I was going to be a physicist when I was younger and I was strictly Newtonian Cartesian, the Quantum I couldn't really agree with because it had a bit of a metaphysics flavor to it, it just didn't feel right. I began becoming aware of having premonitions just last year, and my denial of Psychics, ESP and Remote Viewing finally broke in April of 2010. The visions I was having through out my life I would chalk up to random chance, or the possibility that the human brain being the most powerful computer on earth was extrapolating data and predicting the most probable out come. Here is my site outlining my question on if DMT can create Psychic visions... I can not paste URL's in this forum as I am a new member and as a new member I must have 15 posts behind my belt before I can paste URL's So to get around this... Please cut and paste this "brownskinwife.yolasite.com" into Google the first Hit should be "Dr Strassman DMT dimethyltryptamine"...Please Click on this and read. Then Please read the "My Story" Section of the site. Like many of you I was a skeptic as well so I know where you are coming from, but remember, please read those 2 pages. The Home page (Dr Strassman DMT dimethyltryptamine) and the My Story page as well. Or check out the entire site, it is a cool read, anyway and like I said earlier though today I am not a skeptic I am still cautious. If people complain about the links I will edit and shorten the text and put it in the forum in place of the link, I do not want to make anyone upset. I know James Has a 1 Million Dollar give away for anyone claiming to Posses Senses out side of our 5 physical senses, but it is not the money that is important to me, it is the truth that is important to me. I am an Alturist, my possessions include a Broken Lap Top, 10 Books and a few photographs. I have shelter, I have food and I have amazing wicked friends that I call family as well as family, which is all I need. So the 1 million dollars really doesn't matter to me. Love, helping people, healing and giving are what are important to me, it is apart of my DNA. Can DMT create Psychic Visions? I am not special, I for lack of a better word, was angry against Psychics, I used to laugh when ever I saw a "Neon "Psychic" sign and a "Out of business" sign at the same location. I used to joke and say..."I wonder if they saw that one coming?". I don't laugh today however. Please look at my site and help me answer this question, "Can DMT create Psychic Visions?" Please James keep the 1 million, help people with it perhaps or help to discover the truth with it. Are there any studys currently done with Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) in relation to ESP? If so can I partake in a study to finally answer this question, if there are no studys then my question is "WHY?", what are we afraid to discover from a simple study?
woddyallen Student Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 26

15th June 2010, 04:15 PM	#2
Naddig74 Has a Rucksack Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Heading For the Hills Posts: 1,639	Interesting. I was considering starting a thread myself on ''Why do so many drug users ascribe 'mystical' qualities to their high.'' I'll be interested to see how this develops. ETA: Well, I assumed this was a 'take DMT, see the future thing. ' but it seems he claims to create DMT within his body by meditation and prayer. Go figure.
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15th June 2010, 04:16 PM	#3
Czarcasm Muse Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 976	Random capitalization? Check. Consistent misspelling of common words(studys)? Check. Misuse of scientific terms? Check. Vague claim? Check. "Yoosta be a skeptic till I saw the light"? Check.
Czarcasm Muse Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 976	__________________ The sun is out, the birds are singing and all is right with the world. I loooove my meds!

15th June 2010, 04:20 PM	#4
Rat Not bored. Never bored. Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leicester, UK Posts: 7,085	Originally Posted by Czarcasm Random capitalization? Check. Consistent misspelling of common words(studys)? Check. Misuse of scientific terms? Check. Vague claim? Check. "Yoosta be a skeptic till I saw the light"? Check. "Don't want or need the million" (even to give to a worthy cause for ten minutes' work?) Check.
	__________________ "Man muß den Menschen vor allem nach seinen Lastern beurteilen. Tugenden können vorgetäuscht sein. Laster sind echt." - Klaus Kinski UKLS 1988- Sitting on the fence throwing stones at both sides.

15th June 2010, 04:29 PM	#5
Naddig74 Has a Rucksack Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Heading For the Hills Posts: 1,639	Anyone else reading the link get the feeling he's getting higher and higher as it goes along?
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15th June 2010, 04:46 PM	#6
kedo1981 Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: ohio Posts: 2,083	Psychic Visions no! Sounds more like it turns you into a pathetic lying attention whore. But hey to each it’s own
	__________________ "Prove all things, hold fast that which is good" (I Thessalonians 5:21) I readily admit I don’t know enough to say for sure that there is no God. But I do know enough so say that anyone who claims to know the mind and will of a being such as God is a liar. I have no problem with Jesus, but his fan club sucks!

15th June 2010, 05:07 PM	#7
Olowkow Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,827	Here's the link: http://brownskinwife.yolasite.com/ Welcome to the JREF woodyallen. Good luck!
Olowkow Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,827	__________________ Our remedies oft in ourselves do lie, which we ascribe to heaven. --Shakespeare

15th June 2010, 05:11 PM	#8
Naddig74 Has a Rucksack Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Heading For the Hills Posts: 1,639	Ok, waded through it all (and took a short sanity break to watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md1CK...os=5YS0aZSN1No half way through). Confused usage of there/their/they're; check. It's the nets longest, wierdest, most rambling dating ad. Can you predict something, and divulge the details to us before it actually happens?

15th June 2010, 05:18 PM	#9
Olowkow Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,827	What psychic visions did you have? What documented evidence do you have that you saw the future? If you have none, your claims are not something that will find acceptance here.
Olowkow Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,827	__________________ Our remedies oft in ourselves do lie, which we ascribe to heaven. --Shakespeare

15th June 2010, 05:51 PM	#10
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 13,418	ROTFL.
	__________________ "Reality is what's left when you cease to believe." Philip K. Dick

15th June 2010, 06:12 PM	#11
Bloodtoes Muse Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 519	... Joe Rogan, is that you?
	__________________ I got nothin.

15th June 2010, 06:21 PM	#12
Naddig74 Has a Rucksack Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Heading For the Hills Posts: 1,639	Originally Posted by Bloodtoes ... Joe Rogan, is that you? I know...I'd developed a lot of respect for Joe -he knows his BJJ- and a lot of it just evaporated.

15th June 2010, 06:21 PM	#13
Loss Leader Opinionated Jerk Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York Posts: 11,885	Call me crazy, but for some reason I think the real Woody Allen would approve of his post. Because, you know, Woody Allen loves tripping his face off.
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16th June 2010, 01:52 AM	#14
23_Tauri Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: UK Posts: 4,947	I've worked with ayahuasceros in the Amazon jungle and at no point did any of them ever claim to be able to see into the future. Where does this idea that DMT can make you psychic come from? Whacked out woo Westerners?

16th June 2010, 01:58 AM	#15
wardenclyffe Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,485	woddyallen, Since you were a hardcore skeptic before you discovered your ability to have psychic visions, why don't you tell us what you think would be an appropriate test? I'm willing to believe that you are serious. Put yourself in the shoes you wore three years ago. How would you have approached someone with your claims? Please suggest a starting point for a test protocol and we can go from there. Thanks, Ward
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16th June 2010, 05:01 AM	#16
Sledge Grammaton Cleric Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Swingin' on a star Posts: 7,123	Originally Posted by woddyallen Just 3 years ago I was an Extreme hard-core SKEPTIC No you weren't. Why? Originally Posted by woddyallen the Quantum I couldn't really agree with because it had a bit of a metaphysics flavor to it, it just didn't feel right. Yeah, that's how we determine what's true, whether it feels right.
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16th June 2010, 05:18 AM	#17
Ethan Thane Athen Muse Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 950	Originally Posted by woddyallen I know James Has a 1 Million Dollar give away for anyone claiming to Posses Senses out side of our 5 physical senses, but it is not the money that is important to me... So the 1 million dollars really doesn't matter to me. Love, helping people, healing and giving are what are important to me, it is apart of my DNA.... 1 Million Dollars would help a lot of people....and if you don't win it, it's just going to sit in the bank....or be won by someone less altruistic than yourself. Sooo, following that logic, what reason are you going to give now for not getting tested.....?
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16th June 2010, 05:21 AM	#18
fagin Muse Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 904	In a word No No No No No No No
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16th June 2010, 05:22 AM	#19
fagin Muse Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 904	Where did the thumbs up come from?
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16th June 2010, 06:29 AM	#20
uk_dave Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,866	I think it's Roman
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16th June 2010, 06:39 AM	#21
23_Tauri Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: UK Posts: 4,947	Originally Posted by woddyallen Are there any studys currently done with Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) in relation to ESP? No. Research that has been carried out focuses the more practical and more widely reported psycho-therapeutic benefits due to the effects of DMT on neuro-chemistry and neuro-genesis.

16th June 2010, 07:13 AM	#22
Naddig74 Has a Rucksack Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Heading For the Hills Posts: 1,639	Originally Posted by fagin In a word No No No No No No No That's 7 words. Who thinks we'll hear from 'Woddy' again?

16th June 2010, 07:31 AM	#23
geirka New Blood Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 12	The effects of Dimethyltryptamine as a hallucinogenic drug has been covered in Alexander Shulgin's bizarre (but fairly amusing) book "Tryptamines I Have Known And Loved" (TIHKAL). I guess linking to it is borderline illegal in an American forum, but this quote is representative: Quote: (with 60 mg smoked) "Rapid onset, and in a completely stoned isolation in about a minute for about three minutes. Slow return but continued afterglow (pleasant) for thirty minutes. Repeated three times, with no apparent tolerance or change in chronology. Easily handled. The intoxication is of limited usefulness but the residues are completely relaxing." ESP? Psychic? Don't think so...
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16th June 2010, 07:33 AM	#24
Naddig74 Has a Rucksack Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Heading For the Hills Posts: 1,639	Originally Posted by geirka The effects of Dimethyltryptamine as a hallucinogenic drug has been covered in Alexander Shulgin's bizarre (but fairly amusing) book "Tryptamines I Have Known And Loved" (TIHKAL). I guess linking to it is borderline illegal in an American forum, but this quote is representative: ESP? Psychic? Don't think so... Did you read PIHKAL? (Phenylethamines I Have Known And Loved) That was quite entertaining, I never read such a big book so quickly.

16th June 2010, 07:44 AM	#25
roger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 11,021	woddyallen, the JREF challenge isn't going to do any test that requires illegal actions (possessing, using a controlled substance), so there is no point in pursuing that. of course, if you are getting the DMT through meditation or something, you should be fine. I (none of us) speak for the JREF, but stuff like this (no illegalities) is pretty standard. As far as the million goes, if you were able to test and win, you could give the money to any charity in the world. So don't turn your nose up to it is my suggestion. Your website is not convincing. As a former skeptic, you should understand that skepticism isn't just rolling your eyes at something you find doubtful, instead, it is the active search for solid evidence, and reserving judgement until them. The first step is evidence of existence. Your site seems to go into method a lot - meditation and the like. It really doesn't matter how you do what you do at this stage. We won't even entertain the question until we have evidence that you actually achieve something. So that is why some of the posts above ask for verifiable predictions. Let's face it, no one has presented solid evidence for ESP in the entire history of the world, and you are claiming to take reality altering drugs. The most likely explanation is merely that you are mistaken. But, if you are not, you are going to have to provide solid evidence, not websites about meditation, chi, and the like. For example, a prediction like "At 803UTM, January 3rd, 2011, flight 7343 will crash in Quito..." would be very testable and fairly convincing. A prediction like "a major tragedy will occur within six months" is both completely untestable (tragedies happen everyday) and totally unconvincing. People here will happily work with you to figure out tests, but you have to stop accusing people of being "afraid". Offer something concrete to us, we are anxious to help you. Really. But only if you stick to reality and drop the accusations of fear and what not. (some of the rest of you posting are welcome in the "bullying" thread, I'm sure)
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16th June 2010, 08:43 AM	#26
sadhatter Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,743	You know what bugs me. I enjoy a bit of puff from time , and in my younger days had a few other drugs. What the hell are people expecting when they do drugs? Their intent is to mess with your brain, and all these woo's get that effect and then ascribe something mystical to it. To answer the op, No, this is actually the exact opposite of an unexplained phenomenon. You are ingesting a drug and your mind is firing weirdly. If your experience was real, then i would like to give a warning to everyone here that there is no less than one dragon on earth that tends to fly around a beer store in my area. Personally i think this was a hallucination brought on by things i ingested at the time, but if suddenly things experienced on drugs are real, watch out friends.
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16th June 2010, 08:48 AM	#27
woddyallen Student Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 26	Originally Posted by Naddig74 That's 7 words. Who thinks we'll hear from 'Woddy' again? I have since edited this post, I got frustrated and spoke a harsh truth from my perspective. I JUST WANT STUDY'S NOT DEBATE!!! CAN DMT create psychic visions?!?!?!
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16th June 2010, 08:48 AM	#28
Naddig74 Has a Rucksack Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Heading For the Hills Posts: 1,639	Originally Posted by sadhatter You know what bugs me. I enjoy a bit of puff from time , and in my younger days had a few other drugs. What the hell are people expecting when they do drugs? Their intent is to mess with your brain, and all these woo's get that effect and then ascribe something mystical to it. Agreed. Several acquaintances of mine insist on the existence of 'pixies' on Dartmoor because they did a load of mushrooms and saw them... This wasn't a hallucination brought on by psylocybin, oh no, mushrooms give you the power to see the pixies. The girl I was seeing at the time left me because I scoffed at this; in retrospect, no real loss. ETA: By this logic, there really is a werewolf living in my garden who looked in the window and told me good jokes, and my friend Paul has the ability to transform himself into a goat.
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16th June 2010, 08:50 AM	#29
godless dave Great Dalmuti Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: St. Paul, Minnesota Posts: 6,131	Originally Posted by geirka The effects of Dimethyltryptamine as a hallucinogenic drug has been covered in Alexander Shulgin's bizarre (but fairly amusing) book "Tryptamines I Have Known And Loved" (TIHKAL). I guess linking to it is borderline illegal in an American forum, As long as you are not selling or distributing the drug, there is nothing illegal about linking to a book or article about illegal drugs. Remember, Americans can legally buy High Times at a newsstand or bookstore. American drug laws are insane, but they have not yet been successfully extended to infringe on free speech. JREF may have stricter policies, however.
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16th June 2010, 08:53 AM	#30
godless dave Great Dalmuti Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: St. Paul, Minnesota Posts: 6,131	Originally Posted by Naddig74 ETA: Well, I assumed this was a 'take DMT, see the future thing. ' but it seems he claims to create DMT within his body by meditation and prayer. Go figure. The human body creates DMT naturally, so this claim is not necessarily impossible.
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16th June 2010, 08:54 AM	#31
Naddig74 Has a Rucksack Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Heading For the Hills Posts: 1,639	Originally Posted by woddyallen ". I am Asking IF DMT CAN create Psychic visions? [/i][/b] And we are answering 'No, we don't think so.''

16th June 2010, 08:55 AM	#32
Naddig74 Has a Rucksack Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Heading For the Hills Posts: 1,639	Originally Posted by godless dave The human body creates DMT naturally, so this claim is not necessarily impossible. Granted.

16th June 2010, 08:59 AM	#33
Crossbow Seeking Honesty and Sanity Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,294	Originally Posted by woddyallen Just 3 years ago I was an Extreme hard-core SKEPTIC on Psychics, ESP, Remote viewing or what ever you want to call it. ... snipped for brevity ... Are there any studys currently done with Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) in relation to ESP? If so can I partake in a study to finally answer this question, if there are no studys then my question is "WHY?", what are we afraid to discover from a simple study? How odd! A few years ago there was someone here at JREF who said almost the same sort of thing. I think it was 'UndercoverElephant' who claimed that he could communicate with extra-terrestials while under the influence of DMT and therefore he should be awarded the $ 1,000,000 prize money. Of course, he could never proove his claim, so he never got the money. In short, people can imagine all sorts of things while under the influence of drugs, but that does not mean those things are real. Therefore, my advice is for you to keep off drugs, to stay sober, and to make money honestly; and you will be much better off.
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16th June 2010, 09:02 AM	#34
Hokulele Official Nemesis Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trying to decide whether to set defenses against an army, or against mole rats. Posts: 27,272	Originally Posted by woddyallen I am Asking IF DMT CAN create Psychic visions? So AGAIN lets perform a clinical study. Be real skeptics and prove this with *SCIENCE* CAN DMT CREATE PSYCHIC VISIONS! PROVE IT RIGHT OR WRONG WITH SCIENCE *PUT UP OR SHUT UP* If you are regularly receiving visions, the easiest way to test this will be to create a diary that is posted on-line and can be verified to see if any of the visions come true. Not posting things after the fact. We had a poster here not long ago who claimed to have visions similar to this (although they were spontaneous, not triggered by, er, stuff). When he posted them in detail, none of them came true. None.
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16th June 2010, 09:04 AM	#35
Personal Grudge Thinker Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 197	Originally Posted by woddyallen "No" is only a word, it is NOT a study, I know about reeling people in to emotions and flaming, I don't want a debate I want a STUDY! So my question Again, and again and again, Let us do a *Clinical Scientific Study* and shut me up...do you skeptics want to put this to rest..??? I am not saying DMT Creates Psychic visions! I am Asking IF DMT CAN create Psychic visions? So AGAIN lets perform a clinical study. Be real skeptics and prove this with *SCIENCE* CAN DMT CREATE PSYCHIC VISIONS! PROVE IT RIGHT OR WRONG WITH SCIENCE *PUT UP OR SHUT UP* There would first need to be some evidence that psychic visions even exist before a study should be conducted to determine causes. Searching for the cause of a non-existent effect is a complete waste of time.
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