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Zero · 5th February 2004, 12:36 PM

Just because I have been thinking about all the benefits of marriage, I've decided that all marriage benefits are unfair. For the sake of fairness, I want to marry myself, and get half of all the marriage benefits(since there is just the one of me).

What do you think?

shanek · 5th February 2004, 12:40 PM

As I pointed out in my thread on the topic, these "benefits" are things that would have been our rights anyway; they were taken away from us and granted back solely to married couples. So if we got the government completely out of the marriage business, you would enjoy these "benefits" as the natural rights of yours that they are.

Zero · 5th February 2004, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shanek
As I pointed out in my thread on the topic, these "benefits" are things that would have been our rights anyway; they were taken away from us and granted back solely to married couples. So if we got the government completely out of the marriage business, you would enjoy these "benefits" as the natural rights of yours that they are.

No, I want EXTRA!!

patnray · 5th February 2004, 12:42 PM

You'll pay higher taxes.

Preserve the gay tax break! Ban gay marriages!

no one in particular · 5th February 2004, 12:44 PM

Marrying myself, well… I can say this for it: If I was to stay faithful to myself then at least my sex life would not be much different than when I lived with my wife.

Zero · 5th February 2004, 12:46 PM

Yeah, but I want a certain amount of paid family leave time if I get sick, so I can stay home and take care of myself.

WildCat · 5th February 2004, 12:52 PM

So that's why you take so long in the bathroom! Fulfilling your marital obligations...

Skeptic · 5th February 2004, 02:29 PM

Good idea. Many people told me to go f--k myself. Now, it can be made official.

Agammamon · 6th February 2004, 05:12 AM

But will it still be illegal to have sex with yourself?

Ed · 6th February 2004, 05:45 AM

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Originally posted by Agammamon
But will it still be illegal to have sex with yourself?

depends___ for some it would be beastiality

subgenius · 6th February 2004, 08:43 AM

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Charlie Monoxide · 6th February 2004, 11:46 AM

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jj · 6th February 2004, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shanek
As I pointed out in my thread on the topic, these "benefits" are things that would have been our rights anyway; they were taken away from us and granted back solely to married couples. So if we got the government completely out of the marriage business, you would enjoy these "benefits" as the natural rights of yours that they are.

Interesting. This relates to things like health insurance as part of employment benefits how, then?

shanek · 6th February 2004, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jj
Interesting. This relates to things like health insurance as part of employment benefits how, then?

Absent government, it would (and should) be up to the individual insurance companies as to what benefits people get. In all likelihood, they'd consider any pair of individuals living in the same household equally. Employment benefits are likewise up to the employer. You really need to start thinking out of the tiny little box big government has shoved you in.

ZeeGerman · 6th February 2004, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by no one in particular
Marrying myself, well… I can say this for it: If I was to stay faithful to myself then at least my sex life would not be much different than when I lived with my wife.

Man that sounds hard

Was it that bad?

Zee

epepke · 6th February 2004, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shanek

Absent government, it would (and should) be up to the individual insurance companies as to what benefits people get. In all likelihood, they'd consider any pair of individuals living in the same household equally. Employment benefits are likewise up to the employer. You really need to start thinking out of the tiny little box big government has shoved you in.

You have a point there. (But if you comb your hair just right... no, seriously.)

Corporations are way ahead of the gubmint in providing health insurance benefits to same-sex couples. I worked for a company with 6000 employees, and we had health insurance for same-sex couples, even though only one employee took advantage of it. But, hey, we had it, and every single benefit announcement we sent out mentioned it. It required a separate contract with a different insurance company which probably cost the corporate office more money to maintain than the sum of all benefits to maintain it, but we had it.

TillEulenspiegel · 6th February 2004, 07:09 PM

Bah! Dennis Rodman has ya all beat by years!

Edit to add:
Hey Zero you get a new guitar or sumtin? Go Buy Vai live at the avalon and Satrani live . It will become a coatrack hehehe.

Brian · 6th February 2004, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shanek

Absent government, it would (and should) be up to the individual insurance companies as to what benefits people get. In all likelihood, they'd consider any pair of individuals living in the same household equally. Employment benefits are likewise up to the employer. You really need to start thinking out of the tiny little box big government has shoved you in.

I'm missing something here. Would you elaborate. Mostly on this point "In all likelihood, they'd consider any pair of individuals living in the same household equally". I honestly don't understand what you mean. Is it that insurance companies will insure a persons roommate, or that they will treat a spouse as a roommate and not insure him/her? Or, something else alltogether.

peptoabysmal · 6th February 2004, 10:00 PM

If you were to be able to draw any financial benefits from masturbation, you wouldn't be the first person I ever saw who got paid for jerking off.

Nice guitar, I used to have one of the Ibanez musician series back in the late seventies. My favorite was the Mosrite I had (like the Ventures used) when "surf music" was all the rage. "Ha, ha, ha... Wipeout!"

shanek · 7th February 2004, 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brian

I'm missing something here. Would you elaborate. Mostly on this point "In all likelihood, they'd consider any pair of individuals living in the same household equally". I honestly don't understand what you mean. Is it that insurance companies will insure a persons roommate, or that they will treat a spouse as a roommate and not insure him/her? Or, something else alltogether.

I'm saying that they'd probably offer the same type of coverage for members of households regardless of their relationship status.

Ed · 7th February 2004, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by shanek

I'm saying that they'd probably offer the same type of coverage for members of households regardless of their relationship status.

Why would they do that?

shanek · 7th February 2004, 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ed
Why would they do that?

Because they'd make more money that way.

Zero · 7th February 2004, 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TillEulenspiegel
Bah! Dennis Rodman has ya all beat by years!

Oops, I forgot all about that...jeez, that man was an ugly bride!!

Quote:

Edit to add:
Hey Zero you get a new guitar or sumtin? Go Buy Vai live at the avalon and Satrani live . It will become a coatrack hehehe.

Either a coatrack, or permanently grafted to my fingers...

Ed · 7th February 2004, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by shanek

Because they'd make more money that way.

Unclear. The cost to two unrelated individuals is greater than the cost to two related individuals. Why provide a discount?

Did you see Kurt Russel on O'Rielly the other night? He is a libertarian and came accross a lot better than most hollywood bozo's that I have seen interviewed. Seems like a smart guy.

shanek · 7th February 2004, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ed
Unclear. The cost to two unrelated individuals is greater than the cost to two related individuals.

Evidence?

Quote:

Why provide a discount?

Because then they'd be getting both customers. And if they didn't, their competition could easily offer a deal to both and take both customers away from them.

Quote:

Did you see Kurt Russel on O'Rielly the other night? He is a libertarian and came accross a lot better than most hollywood bozo's that I have seen interviewed. Seems like a smart guy.

No, I missed that.

Brian · 7th February 2004, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by shanek

Evidence?

Because then they'd be getting both customers. And if they didn't, their competition could easily offer a deal to both and take both customers away from them.

But if I had a wife and 3 kids my health insurance would cover us all. Do you think if I rented a house with 4 roommates we'd all be covered if one of us had insurance?

5th February 2004, 12:36 PM	#1
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5th February 2004, 12:40 PM	#2
shanek by Charles M. Schulz Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 15,990	As I pointed out in my thread on the topic, these "benefits" are things that would have been our rights anyway; they were taken away from us and granted back solely to married couples. So if we got the government completely out of the marriage business, you would enjoy these "benefits" as the natural rights of yours that they are.
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5th February 2004, 12:42 PM	#3
Zero Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,535	Quote: Originally posted by shanek As I pointed out in my thread on the topic, these "benefits" are things that would have been our rights anyway; they were taken away from us and granted back solely to married couples. So if we got the government completely out of the marriage business, you would enjoy these "benefits" as the natural rights of yours that they are. No, I want EXTRA!!
Zero Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,535	__________________ "I felt like putting a bullet between the eyes of every Panda that wouldn't screw to save its species. I wanted to open the dump valves on oil tankers and smother all the French beaches I'd never see. I wanted to breathe smoke.

5th February 2004, 12:44 PM	#5
no one in particular muse Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 1,005	Marrying myself, well… I can say this for it: If I was to stay faithful to myself then at least my sex life would not be much different than when I lived with my wife.
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5th February 2004, 12:46 PM	#6
Zero Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,535	Yeah, but I want a certain amount of paid family leave time if I get sick, so I can stay home and take care of myself.
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5th February 2004, 12:52 PM	#7
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5th February 2004, 02:29 PM	#8
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6th February 2004, 12:25 PM	#13
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6th February 2004, 12:43 PM	#14
shanek by Charles M. Schulz Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 15,990	Quote: Originally posted by jj Interesting. This relates to things like health insurance as part of employment benefits how, then? Absent government, it would (and should) be up to the individual insurance companies as to what benefits people get. In all likelihood, they'd consider any pair of individuals living in the same household equally. Employment benefits are likewise up to the employer. You really need to start thinking out of the tiny little box big government has shoved you in.
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6th February 2004, 12:48 PM	#15
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6th February 2004, 03:03 PM	#16
epepke Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,953	Quote: Originally posted by shanek Absent government, it would (and should) be up to the individual insurance companies as to what benefits people get. In all likelihood, they'd consider any pair of individuals living in the same household equally. Employment benefits are likewise up to the employer. You really need to start thinking out of the tiny little box big government has shoved you in. You have a point there. (But if you comb your hair just right... no, seriously.) Corporations are way ahead of the gubmint in providing health insurance benefits to same-sex couples. I worked for a company with 6000 employees, and we had health insurance for same-sex couples, even though only one employee took advantage of it. But, hey, we had it, and every single benefit announcement we sent out mentioned it. It required a separate contract with a different insurance company which probably cost the corporate office more money to maintain than the sum of all benefits to maintain it, but we had it.
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6th February 2004, 07:09 PM	#17
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6th February 2004, 07:21 PM	#18
Brian Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,780	Quote: Originally posted by shanek Absent government, it would (and should) be up to the individual insurance companies as to what benefits people get. In all likelihood, they'd consider any pair of individuals living in the same household equally. Employment benefits are likewise up to the employer. You really need to start thinking out of the tiny little box big government has shoved you in. I'm missing something here. Would you elaborate. Mostly on this point "In all likelihood, they'd consider any pair of individuals living in the same household equally". I honestly don't understand what you mean. Is it that insurance companies will insure a persons roommate, or that they will treat a spouse as a roommate and not insure him/her? Or, something else alltogether.
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shanek by Charles M. Schulz Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 15,990	Quote: Originally posted by Brian I'm missing something here. Would you elaborate. Mostly on this point "In all likelihood, they'd consider any pair of individuals living in the same household equally". I honestly don't understand what you mean. Is it that insurance companies will insure a persons roommate, or that they will treat a spouse as a roommate and not insure him/her? Or, something else alltogether. I'm saying that they'd probably offer the same type of coverage for members of households regardless of their relationship status.
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7th February 2004, 05:04 AM	#21
Ed god Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,691	Quote: Originally posted by shanek I'm saying that they'd probably offer the same type of coverage for members of households regardless of their relationship status. Why would they do that?
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7th February 2004, 05:49 AM	#22
shanek by Charles M. Schulz Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 15,990	Quote: Originally posted by Ed Why would they do that? Because they'd make more money that way.
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7th February 2004, 06:34 AM	#23
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7th February 2004, 07:01 AM	#24
Ed god Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,691	Quote: Originally posted by shanek Because they'd make more money that way. Unclear. The cost to two unrelated individuals is greater than the cost to two related individuals. Why provide a discount? Did you see Kurt Russel on O'Rielly the other night? He is a libertarian and came accross a lot better than most hollywood bozo's that I have seen interviewed. Seems like a smart guy.
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shanek by Charles M. Schulz Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 15,990	Quote: Originally posted by Ed Unclear. The cost to two unrelated individuals is greater than the cost to two related individuals. Evidence? Quote: Why provide a discount? Because then they'd be getting both customers. And if they didn't, their competition could easily offer a deal to both and take both customers away from them. Quote: Did you see Kurt Russel on O'Rielly the other night? He is a libertarian and came accross a lot better than most hollywood bozo's that I have seen interviewed. Seems like a smart guy. No, I missed that.
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7th February 2004, 10:11 AM	#26
Brian Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,780	Quote: Originally posted by shanek Evidence? Because then they'd be getting both customers. And if they didn't, their competition could easily offer a deal to both and take both customers away from them. But if I had a wife and 3 kids my health insurance would cover us all. Do you think if I rented a house with 4 roommates we'd all be covered if one of us had insurance?
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