Van Der Sloot is a dead man.

Cainkane1 · 21st June 2010, 05:41 AM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/....shtml?tag=pop

Ladewig · 21st June 2010, 06:34 AM

Another news program showed a short clip of inmates and how they live in the place where he is being held. It is a gruesome and violent place. The guy in the CBS story is right. That's why Van Der Sloot is trying so hard to make a deal with the Aruba authorities to serve time there instead of Peru.

I do disagree with this part

Quote:

"And he's probably trying to plan his next move, but he doesn't have a lot of options. This isn't like the U.S. judicial system, where you're innocent until proven guilty. It's the Napoleonic system, where you're guilty until proven innocent. He's got a lawyer who he probably cannot understand.

The type of legal system is irrelevant after you confess in detail and when there is videotape of you and the victim going into your hotel room, you leaving, and no one else entering until the body was discovered.

ETA: and the alleged DNA evidence under her fingernails

fuelair · 21st June 2010, 06:36 AM

As long as it isn't fast.

Eddie Dane · 21st June 2010, 06:36 AM

Most people I know think he has it coming.
He is a lying, remorseless douche-bag. He probably killed that Holloway girl. He really enjoyed the media attention and exploited it for all it was worth. He toyed with the emotions of the Holloway's loved ones. He very probably killed that Flores girl in Peru, judging by the camera evidence.
And in between all those things he has also tried his hand at human trafficking in Thailand and tried to extort money from Holloway's mother by promising to tell her where Natalee's body is buried.

I can understand the media fascination. He's like a character out of a mini-series.
In fact if this had been a movie, I'd have put it down to bad and hammy writing.
He actually played to the public eye flaunting the fact that there was no evidence and he could not be convicted and what does he do? Kill a young woman from a prominent family in a country that quite literary has the worst prisons in the world.

Remember the thread about 'what happened to your bully' a while ago?
Some people can probably join that thread and say; 'My bully was stabbed in the neck in Peruvian jail'.

Ultimately it is all tragic.

His mother gave an interview recently in which she stated that she had convinced her son to go into a psychiatric ward. He was having severe trouble since his fathers'death.
Four days before being committed, he ran off to Peru.
In an ultimate irony, because that country has no extradition deal with the Netherlands.

And boy, would he like to be extradited now.

Thunder · 21st June 2010, 06:38 AM

too bad his name isn't Van der Sexxxxxxxxxxx.

Quad4_72 · 21st June 2010, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by Cainkane1

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/....shtml?tag=pop

You have been here since 2005. You know its in bad taste to post news articles without a description, brief summary, quote from the article, or even your opinion. Just posting links is called spamming.

As for the article, I hope the guy does get killed in prison. Serves him right.

tusenfem · 21st June 2010, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by Eddie Dane

His mother gave an interview recently in which she stated that she had convinced her son to go into a psychiatric ward. He was having severe trouble since his fathers'death.
Four days before being committed, he ran off to Peru.
In an ultimate irony, because that country has no extradition deal with the Netherlands.

He had problems before his father's death, in the Holloway case his father played some misty scheme helping him. Too bad for Joran his (on Aruba) influential daddy is no longer there for him now.

Eddie Dane · 21st June 2010, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by tusenfem

He had problems before his father's death, in the Holloway case his father played some misty scheme helping him. Too bad for Joran his (on Aruba) influential daddy is no longer there for him now.

I think the guy has a major personality disorder.
His life would have ended up a train wreck one way or another.

He managed to do it in a especially spectacular way, though.

There was talk of him being involved in the disappearance of other girls before the Flores case. If that turns out to be true he's a serial killer, not just a violent sociopathic nut.

Drudgewire · 21st June 2010, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by Thunder

too bad his name isn't Van der Sexxxxxxxxxxx.

Check back in a week.

funk de fino · 21st June 2010, 07:10 AM

What I find really freaky are the Nancy Grace shows and those of that ilk.

Aside from this case, which seems pretty watertight, how can anyone ever have a fair trial after being on that travesty? Who actually watches this crap?

fuelair · 21st June 2010, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by funk de fino

What I find really freaky are the Nancy Grace shows and those of that ilk.

Aside from this case, which seems pretty watertight, how can anyone ever have a fair trial after being on that travesty? Who actually watches this crap?

The same people who watch other "reality " shows.

BenBurch · 21st June 2010, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by fuelair

As long as it isn't fast.

Seconded.

LibraryLady · 21st June 2010, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Eddie Dane

*snip*He actually played to the public eye flaunting the fact that there was no evidence and he could not be convicted and what does he do? Kill a young woman from a prominent family in a country that quite literary has the worst prisons in the world.

*snip*

This reminds me somewhat of Ted Bundy, who escaped from prison where he was being held on murder charges, went to Florida, where they actually execute condemned people quite a lot, and raped and murdered a 12 year old girl. I hesitate to call it an actual death wish, but maybe it's a pushing of the line, a risk taking behavior taken to the extreme.

Whatever it is, one way or the other, I will not grieve to see him ending his days in a Peruvian prison.

ravdin · 21st June 2010, 10:20 AM

I've deliberately avoided following the story. But based on what little I know, I also wouldn't call Bobby the Bookmaker to place any bets on his life either.

dudalb · 21st June 2010, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by funk de fino

What I find really freaky are the Nancy Grace shows and those of that ilk.

Aside from this case, which seems pretty watertight, how can anyone ever have a fair trial after being on that travesty? Who actually watches this crap?

I despise Nancy Grace, and if her courtroom persona is anything like her TV Persona, no wonder she was fired from her job as a prosecutor.
That's the big joke..Grace failed as a prosecuting attoney in the real world.
But people like Nancy Grace is the price we pay for free speech.....you hae to permit the A Holes of the world to have their say too.
But..yeah, Van Sloot is toast.Open and Shut case.

Skeptic Guy · 21st June 2010, 12:07 PM

He is now claiming he was "tricked" into confessing.

LibraryLady · 21st June 2010, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I despise Nancy Grace, and if her courtroom persona is anything like her TV Persona, no wonder she was fired from her job as a prosecutor.
That's the big joke..Grace failed as a prosecuting attoney in the real world.
But people like Nancy Grace is the price we pay for free speech.....you hae to permit the A Holes of the world to have their say too.
But..yeah, Van Sloot is toast.Open and Shut case.

I agree about Nancy Grace.

Jekyll's Guest · 21st June 2010, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Guy

He is now claiming he was "tricked" into confessing.

"I didn't plan on admitting I was a murderer! I demand a mulligan!"

saraban · 21st June 2010, 05:01 PM

If he is killed in prison I hope his killers (if found) are prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

qayak · 21st June 2010, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by saraban

If he is killed in prison I hope his killers (if found) are prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Better yet, they could be pardoned, or given time off their sentence for performing a good deed for all of humanity.

fuelair · 21st June 2010, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by saraban

If he is killed in prison I hope his killers (if found) are prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

and pardoned back into prison (they get a mulligan on the good deed)

.

Darth Rotor · 21st June 2010, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Quad4_72

You have been here since 2005. You know its in bad taste to post news articles without a description, brief summary, quote from the article, or even your opinion. Just posting links is called spamming.

As for the article, I hope the guy does get killed in prison. Serves him right.

So, let me get this right:

you are for a death penalty not handed down as a sentence by a judge and jury in a court of law?

Just playing Devil's Advocate here ...

Roma · 21st June 2010, 11:16 PM

Oh I'm sure Joran will be killed in jail but not because the prisoners in there feel any moral outrage by what he did.
My guess is that big money is up for grabs to any person that kills Joran.

Ian Osborne · 22nd June 2010, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

But people like Nancy Grace is the price we pay for free speech.....you hae to permit the A Holes of the world to have their say too.

Here in the UK, we have sub judice laws that greatly limit what the media can say about issues that are still going through the legal process. What Nancy Grace does is disgusting, and would see her in the dock facing two years in jail and an unlimited fine for contempt of court.

I don't want to turn this into a UK vs US mudslinging match, but in my opinion, our sub judice laws are an acceptable limit on free speech. I was genuinely shocked during the William Kennedy Smith trial, when a guest appeared on the Oprah show telling the world how she was also raped by Smith.

I can see the difficulties in passing such a law in America, where the Constitution prevents Government restriction on free speech, but perhaps it's time for a rethink. The defendant's right to a fair trial should trump our wish to read about the case s/he's facing in gory detail.

Cainkane1 · 22nd June 2010, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by Quad4_72

You have been here since 2005. You know its in bad taste to post news articles without a description, brief summary, quote from the article, or even your opinion. Just posting links is called spamming.

As for the article, I hope the guy does get killed in prison. Serves him right.

I apologise if you feel that this post is spam. I felt that this article spoke for itself and needed no elaboration from me. There is a video on MSN that describes how the prisoners want to kill this punk and I hope they succeed.

defaultdotxbe · 22nd June 2010, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by Ian Osborne

Here in the UK, we have sub judice laws that greatly limit what the media can say about issues that are still going through the legal process. What Nancy Grace does is disgusting, and would see her in the dock facing two years in jail and an unlimited fine for contempt of court.

I don't want to turn this into a UK vs US mudslinging match, but in my opinion, our sub judice laws are an acceptable limit on free speech. I was genuinely shocked during the William Kennedy Smith trial, when a guest appeared on the Oprah show telling the world how she was also raped by Smith.

I can see the difficulties in passing such a law in America, where the Constitution prevents Government restriction on free speech, but perhaps it's time for a rethink. The defendant's right to a fair trial should trump our wish to read about the case s/he's facing in gory detail.

in the US the jury is (technically) barred from reading about or discussing the case outside of court or jury deliberation, in order to be able to provide a fair trial, and if this happens it can be ruled a mistrial and starts over from square one (obviously the system is not perfect, but no system is, not even sub judice)

this is why jury selection is such a big deal for high profile cases (OJ, michael jackson, michael vick) because you have to have a jury that doesnt have an opinion already (and preferably hasnt heard of the defendant)

Ian Osborne · 22nd June 2010, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe

in the US the jury is (technically) barred from reading about or discussing the case outside of court or jury deliberation, in order to be able to provide a fair trial, and if this happens it can be ruled a mistrial and starts over from square one (obviously the system is not perfect, but no system is, not even sub judice)

this is why jury selection is such a big deal for high profile cases (OJ, michael jackson, michael vick) because you have to have a jury that doesnt have an opinion already (and preferably hasnt heard of the defendant)

I can see where you're coming from here, and I agree no system is perfect, but in the UK the reporting restrictions come into play as soon as an arrest is made and charges are likely. To me, this makes more sense than allowing media reports then limiting your jury selection to the terminally uninformed.

I suspect the US already has laws that limit press freedoms in criminal cases. Can the American media name a rape victim, for example, or a child involved as a witness? Any step away from freedom of speech should be taken with care, but IMHO, this one would be a step in the right direction.

ETA: Once again, I hope this doesn't come across as a nose-thumb about our system being better than your system. I think the UK could learn a lot from America's libel laws and separation of church and state, but sub judace is something I feel we Brits have got right (or at least mostly right).

defaultdotxbe · 22nd June 2010, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by Ian Osborne

I can see where you're coming from here, and I agree no system is perfect, but in the UK the reporting restrictions come into play as soon as an arrest is made and charges are likely. To me, this makes more sense than allowing media reports then limiting your jury selection to the terminally uninformed.

just one of the many ways criminal rights get reconciled with other freedoms in america

maybe the UK system would be better, but most people here dont think our system is broken (at least not in this respect) so theres little desire to change it

Quote:

I suspect the US already has laws that limit press freedoms in criminal cases. Can the American media name a rape victim, for example, or a child involved as a witness? Any step away from freedom of speech should be taken with care, but IMHO, this one would be a step in the right direction.

the media is generally prevented from naming victims in any case, or minors involved in a case (although they do have access to the information)

this is something that came up a few years ago, IIRC a child was a key witness in a case, but due to safety concerns they wanted to keep the child anonymous, even to observers in court, and especially to the defendant. this led to a claim he was being denied his right to face his accuser

anyway sorry for the OT, i dont want this to devolve into US vs UK either

applecorped · 22nd June 2010, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Quad4_72

You have been here since 2005. You know its in bad taste to post news articles without a description, brief summary, quote from the article, or even your opinion. Just posting links is called spamming.

Spam tastes good. Especially if fried.

Cainkane1 · 22nd June 2010, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Ian Osborne

Here in the UK, we have sub judice laws that greatly limit what the media can say about issues that are still going through the legal process. What Nancy Grace does is disgusting, and would see her in the dock facing two years in jail and an unlimited fine for contempt of court.

I don't want to turn this into a UK vs US mudslinging match, but in my opinion, our sub judice laws are an acceptable limit on free speech. I was genuinely shocked during the William Kennedy Smith trial, when a guest appeared on the Oprah show telling the world how she was also raped by Smith.

I can see the difficulties in passing such a law in America, where the Constitution prevents Government restriction on free speech, but perhaps it's time for a rethink. The defendant's right to a fair trial should trump our wish to read about the case s/he's facing in gory detail.

As an American I agree with you. No need to hinder Justice with idle gossip.

Cainkane1 · 22nd June 2010, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

So, let me get this right:

you are for a death penalty not handed down as a sentence by a judge and jury in a court of law?

Just playing Devil's Advocate here ...

I hope he gets murdered in prison myself. Peru has no death penalty but in this case I hope the prisoners deal with him harshly. A shiv in his back would be very satisfying to me.

NoScotsman · 22nd June 2010, 10:27 AM

Actually, Van Der Sloot might ENJOY his stay at that prison.

Xephyr · 22nd June 2010, 10:29 AM

Heh. Leave it to an average Joe ex-prisoner to call a spade a spade and tell it straight. No political correctness or beating around the bush there.

*snicker snicker*

Cainkane1 · 22nd June 2010, 10:53 AM

Theres a video circulating on the web that shows a convicted rapist in Guatamala being forced to wear womens clothes and do things I cannot describe on this forum. He is in for many years and while he is doing the unmentionable the guards laugh at him. I hope this will be Sloots fate.

Suddenly · 22nd June 2010, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Cainkane1

Theres a video circulating on the web that shows a convicted rapist in Guatamala being forced to wear womens clothes and do things I cannot describe on this forum. He is in for many years and while he is doing the unmentionable the guards laugh at him. I hope this will be Sloots fate.

Yeah. Leave "real justice" up to prison sociopaths. Would this be different if Sloot somehow was the person administrating this "punishment" rather than some other random psycho?

Eddie Dane · 22nd June 2010, 01:07 PM

There is an element of poetic justice to this.
Especially as he escaped jail in the Holloway case because his dad had political influence in Aruba, and is now in total hell because he killed a young woman who's dad has political influence in Peru.

Still, I'm uncomfortable with the gloating over VDS's fate.

Years of sexual abuse is not a punishment that a civilized society dishes out.

TraneWreck · 22nd June 2010, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by LibraryLady

This reminds me somewhat of Ted Bundy, who escaped from prison where he was being held on murder charges, went to Florida, where they actually execute condemned people quite a lot, and raped and murdered a 12 year old girl. I hesitate to call it an actual death wish, but maybe it's a pushing of the line, a risk taking behavior taken to the extreme.

Whatever it is, one way or the other, I will not grieve to see him ending his days in a Peruvian prison.

Not to derail the thread, but, if it's even possible, Bundy's time in Florida was even more horrific.

The episode was something out of a bad slasher movie:

Quote:

On Saturday, January 14, Bundy broke into Florida State University's Chi Omega sorority house and bludgeoned and strangled to death two women, raping one of them and brutally biting her on her buttocks and one nipple. He beat two others over the head with a log. They survived which investigators attribute to fello roommate Nita Neary, who came home and interrupted Bundy before he was able to kill the other two victims.

http://crime.about.com/od/serial/p/tedbundy2.htm

He broke into a sorority and just went nuts.

Stellafane · 22nd June 2010, 01:37 PM

I saw a recent news item in which Mr. van der Sloot was bragging about all the marriage proposals he's been receiving lately. This may be one of the few things he's uttered in his life that has so much as a grain of truth to it. However, I suspect the consummation of any such proposals will involve his playing a role a bit closer to the bride's rather than the groom's.

Psi Baba · 22nd June 2010, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

Another news program showed a short clip of inmates and how they live in the place where he is being held. It is a gruesome and violent place. The guy in the CBS story is right. That's why Van Der Sloot is trying so hard to make a deal with the Aruba authorities to serve time there instead of Peru.

When the story about the incident in Peru broke my first thought was, what an idiot, he could have been in prison in Aruba, now he'll be in prison in Peru. Biiiiiiiiiig difference. Furthermore, this girl was the only daughter in the family--she had three loving, protective brothers. Whether he does to prison or not, I think he's doomed either way.

fuelair · 22nd June 2010, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Psi Baba

When the story about the incident in Peru broke my first thought was, what an idiot, he could have been in prison in Aruba, now he'll be in prison in Peru. Biiiiiiiiiig difference. Furthermore, this girl was the only daughter in the family--she had three loving, protective brothers. Whether he does to prison or not, I think he's doomed either way.

Given that, I would prefer the bothers have a chance to adjust him rather than the prisoners. I believe victim family should always have first crack at the thing if they want it. Otherwise....

21st June 2010, 05:41 AM	#1
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Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,827	Another news program showed a short clip of inmates and how they live in the place where he is being held. It is a gruesome and violent place. The guy in the CBS story is right. That's why Van Der Sloot is trying so hard to make a deal with the Aruba authorities to serve time there instead of Peru. I do disagree with this part Quote: "And he's probably trying to plan his next move, but he doesn't have a lot of options. This isn't like the U.S. judicial system, where you're innocent until proven guilty. It's the Napoleonic system, where you're guilty until proven innocent. He's got a lawyer who he probably cannot understand. The type of legal system is irrelevant after you confess in detail and when there is videotape of you and the victim going into your hotel room, you leaving, and no one else entering until the body was discovered. ETA: and the alleged DNA evidence under her fingernails
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Eddie Dane Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,432	Most people I know think he has it coming. He is a lying, remorseless douche-bag. He probably killed that Holloway girl. He really enjoyed the media attention and exploited it for all it was worth. He toyed with the emotions of the Holloway's loved ones. He very probably killed that Flores girl in Peru, judging by the camera evidence. And in between all those things he has also tried his hand at human trafficking in Thailand and tried to extort money from Holloway's mother by promising to tell her where Natalee's body is buried. I can understand the media fascination. He's like a character out of a mini-series. In fact if this had been a movie, I'd have put it down to bad and hammy writing. He actually played to the public eye flaunting the fact that there was no evidence and he could not be convicted and what does he do? Kill a young woman from a prominent family in a country that quite literary has the worst prisons in the world. Remember the thread about 'what happened to your bully' a while ago? Some people can probably join that thread and say; 'My bully was stabbed in the neck in Peruvian jail'. Ultimately it is all tragic. His mother gave an interview recently in which she stated that she had convinced her son to go into a psychiatric ward. He was having severe trouble since his fathers'death. Four days before being committed, he ran off to Peru. In an ultimate irony, because that country has no extradition deal with the Netherlands. And boy, would he like to be extradited now.
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21st June 2010, 06:49 AM	#7
tusenfem Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2008 Location: Graz, Austria Posts: 1,111	Originally Posted by Eddie Dane His mother gave an interview recently in which she stated that she had convinced her son to go into a psychiatric ward. He was having severe trouble since his fathers'death. Four days before being committed, he ran off to Peru. In an ultimate irony, because that country has no extradition deal with the Netherlands. He had problems before his father's death, in the Holloway case his father played some misty scheme helping him. Too bad for Joran his (on Aruba) influential daddy is no longer there for him now.
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Eddie Dane Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,432	Originally Posted by tusenfem He had problems before his father's death, in the Holloway case his father played some misty scheme helping him. Too bad for Joran his (on Aruba) influential daddy is no longer there for him now. I think the guy has a major personality disorder. His life would have ended up a train wreck one way or another. He managed to do it in a especially spectacular way, though. There was talk of him being involved in the disappearance of other girls before the Flores case. If that turns out to be true he's a serial killer, not just a violent sociopathic nut.

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21st June 2010, 11:39 AM	#15
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,848	Originally Posted by funk de fino What I find really freaky are the Nancy Grace shows and those of that ilk. Aside from this case, which seems pretty watertight, how can anyone ever have a fair trial after being on that travesty? Who actually watches this crap? I despise Nancy Grace, and if her courtroom persona is anything like her TV Persona, no wonder she was fired from her job as a prosecutor. That's the big joke..Grace failed as a prosecuting attoney in the real world. But people like Nancy Grace is the price we pay for free speech.....you hae to permit the A Holes of the world to have their say too. But..yeah, Van Sloot is toast.Open and Shut case.

21st June 2010, 12:07 PM	#16
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21st June 2010, 12:30 PM	#17
LibraryLady ...but not JUST a LibraryLady Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Building a house in the common ground Posts: 13,082	Originally Posted by dudalb I despise Nancy Grace, and if her courtroom persona is anything like her TV Persona, no wonder she was fired from her job as a prosecutor. That's the big joke..Grace failed as a prosecuting attoney in the real world. But people like Nancy Grace is the price we pay for free speech.....you hae to permit the A Holes of the world to have their say too. But..yeah, Van Sloot is toast.Open and Shut case. I agree about Nancy Grace.
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21st June 2010, 01:08 PM	#18
Jekyll's Guest Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,948	Originally Posted by Skeptic Guy He is now claiming he was "tricked" into confessing. "I didn't plan on admitting I was a murderer! I demand a mulligan!"

21st June 2010, 05:01 PM	#19
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21st June 2010, 06:22 PM	#20
qayak Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 8,715	Originally Posted by saraban If he is killed in prison I hope his killers (if found) are prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Better yet, they could be pardoned, or given time off their sentence for performing a good deed for all of humanity.
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21st June 2010, 06:40 PM	#21
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961	Originally Posted by saraban If he is killed in prison I hope his killers (if found) are prosecuted to the full extent of the law. and pardoned back into prison (they get a mulligan on the good deed).
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21st June 2010, 06:56 PM	#22
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,279	Originally Posted by Quad4_72 You have been here since 2005. You know its in bad taste to post news articles without a description, brief summary, quote from the article, or even your opinion. Just posting links is called spamming. As for the article, I hope the guy does get killed in prison. Serves him right. So, let me get this right: you are for a death penalty not handed down as a sentence by a judge and jury in a court of law? Just playing Devil's Advocate here ...
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21st June 2010, 11:16 PM	#23
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22nd June 2010, 01:11 AM	#24
Ian Osborne JREF Kid Tagger Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 6,383	Originally Posted by dudalb But people like Nancy Grace is the price we pay for free speech.....you hae to permit the A Holes of the world to have their say too. Here in the UK, we have sub judice laws that greatly limit what the media can say about issues that are still going through the legal process. What Nancy Grace does is disgusting, and would see her in the dock facing two years in jail and an unlimited fine for contempt of court. I don't want to turn this into a UK vs US mudslinging match, but in my opinion, our sub judice laws are an acceptable limit on free speech. I was genuinely shocked during the William Kennedy Smith trial, when a guest appeared on the Oprah show telling the world how she was also raped by Smith. I can see the difficulties in passing such a law in America, where the Constitution prevents Government restriction on free speech, but perhaps it's time for a rethink. The defendant's right to a fair trial should trump our wish to read about the case s/he's facing in gory detail.
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22nd June 2010, 06:43 AM	#25
Cainkane1 Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The great American southeast Posts: 7,198	Originally Posted by Quad4_72 You have been here since 2005. You know its in bad taste to post news articles without a description, brief summary, quote from the article, or even your opinion. Just posting links is called spamming. As for the article, I hope the guy does get killed in prison. Serves him right. I apologise if you feel that this post is spam. I felt that this article spoke for itself and needed no elaboration from me. There is a video on MSN that describes how the prisoners want to kill this punk and I hope they succeed.
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22nd June 2010, 06:55 AM	#26
defaultdotxbe Drunken Shikigami Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Dark Side of the Sun Posts: 7,482	Originally Posted by Ian Osborne Here in the UK, we have sub judice laws that greatly limit what the media can say about issues that are still going through the legal process. What Nancy Grace does is disgusting, and would see her in the dock facing two years in jail and an unlimited fine for contempt of court. I don't want to turn this into a UK vs US mudslinging match, but in my opinion, our sub judice laws are an acceptable limit on free speech. I was genuinely shocked during the William Kennedy Smith trial, when a guest appeared on the Oprah show telling the world how she was also raped by Smith. I can see the difficulties in passing such a law in America, where the Constitution prevents Government restriction on free speech, but perhaps it's time for a rethink. The defendant's right to a fair trial should trump our wish to read about the case s/he's facing in gory detail. in the US the jury is (technically) barred from reading about or discussing the case outside of court or jury deliberation, in order to be able to provide a fair trial, and if this happens it can be ruled a mistrial and starts over from square one (obviously the system is not perfect, but no system is, not even sub judice) this is why jury selection is such a big deal for high profile cases (OJ, michael jackson, michael vick) because you have to have a jury that doesnt have an opinion already (and preferably hasnt heard of the defendant)
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22nd June 2010, 07:21 AM	#27
Ian Osborne JREF Kid Tagger Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 6,383	Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe in the US the jury is (technically) barred from reading about or discussing the case outside of court or jury deliberation, in order to be able to provide a fair trial, and if this happens it can be ruled a mistrial and starts over from square one (obviously the system is not perfect, but no system is, not even sub judice) this is why jury selection is such a big deal for high profile cases (OJ, michael jackson, michael vick) because you have to have a jury that doesnt have an opinion already (and preferably hasnt heard of the defendant) I can see where you're coming from here, and I agree no system is perfect, but in the UK the reporting restrictions come into play as soon as an arrest is made and charges are likely. To me, this makes more sense than allowing media reports then limiting your jury selection to the terminally uninformed. I suspect the US already has laws that limit press freedoms in criminal cases. Can the American media name a rape victim, for example, or a child involved as a witness? Any step away from freedom of speech should be taken with care, but IMHO, this one would be a step in the right direction. ETA: Once again, I hope this doesn't come across as a nose-thumb about our system being better than your system. I think the UK could learn a lot from America's libel laws and separation of church and state, but sub judace is something I feel we Brits have got right (or at least mostly right).
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22nd June 2010, 07:32 AM	#28
defaultdotxbe Drunken Shikigami Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Dark Side of the Sun Posts: 7,482	Originally Posted by Ian Osborne I can see where you're coming from here, and I agree no system is perfect, but in the UK the reporting restrictions come into play as soon as an arrest is made and charges are likely. To me, this makes more sense than allowing media reports then limiting your jury selection to the terminally uninformed. just one of the many ways criminal rights get reconciled with other freedoms in america maybe the UK system would be better, but most people here dont think our system is broken (at least not in this respect) so theres little desire to change it Quote: I suspect the US already has laws that limit press freedoms in criminal cases. Can the American media name a rape victim, for example, or a child involved as a witness? Any step away from freedom of speech should be taken with care, but IMHO, this one would be a step in the right direction. the media is generally prevented from naming victims in any case, or minors involved in a case (although they do have access to the information) this is something that came up a few years ago, IIRC a child was a key witness in a case, but due to safety concerns they wanted to keep the child anonymous, even to observers in court, and especially to the defendant. this led to a claim he was being denied his right to face his accuser anyway sorry for the OT, i dont want this to devolve into US vs UK either
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22nd June 2010, 09:10 AM	#29
applecorped Rotten to the Core Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 10,689	Originally Posted by Quad4_72 You have been here since 2005. You know its in bad taste to post news articles without a description, brief summary, quote from the article, or even your opinion. Just posting links is called spamming. Spam tastes good. Especially if fried.
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22nd June 2010, 09:21 AM	#30
Cainkane1 Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The great American southeast Posts: 7,198	Originally Posted by Ian Osborne Here in the UK, we have sub judice laws that greatly limit what the media can say about issues that are still going through the legal process. What Nancy Grace does is disgusting, and would see her in the dock facing two years in jail and an unlimited fine for contempt of court. I don't want to turn this into a UK vs US mudslinging match, but in my opinion, our sub judice laws are an acceptable limit on free speech. I was genuinely shocked during the William Kennedy Smith trial, when a guest appeared on the Oprah show telling the world how she was also raped by Smith. I can see the difficulties in passing such a law in America, where the Constitution prevents Government restriction on free speech, but perhaps it's time for a rethink. The defendant's right to a fair trial should trump our wish to read about the case s/he's facing in gory detail. As an American I agree with you. No need to hinder Justice with idle gossip.
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22nd June 2010, 09:23 AM	#31
Cainkane1 Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The great American southeast Posts: 7,198	Originally Posted by Darth Rotor So, let me get this right: you are for a death penalty not handed down as a sentence by a judge and jury in a court of law? Just playing Devil's Advocate here ... I hope he gets murdered in prison myself. Peru has no death penalty but in this case I hope the prisoners deal with him harshly. A shiv in his back would be very satisfying to me.
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22nd June 2010, 10:27 AM	#32
NoScotsman Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 292	Actually, Van Der Sloot might ENJOY his stay at that prison.

22nd June 2010, 10:29 AM	#33
Xephyr Muse Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 856	Heh. Leave it to an average Joe ex-prisoner to call a spade a spade and tell it straight. No political correctness or beating around the bush there. snicker snicker
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22nd June 2010, 10:53 AM	#34
Cainkane1 Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The great American southeast Posts: 7,198	Theres a video circulating on the web that shows a convicted rapist in Guatamala being forced to wear womens clothes and do things I cannot describe on this forum. He is in for many years and while he is doing the unmentionable the guards laugh at him. I hope this will be Sloots fate.
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22nd June 2010, 11:38 AM	#35
Suddenly No Punting Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Montani Semper Liberi Posts: 2,645	Originally Posted by Cainkane1 Theres a video circulating on the web that shows a convicted rapist in Guatamala being forced to wear womens clothes and do things I cannot describe on this forum. He is in for many years and while he is doing the unmentionable the guards laugh at him. I hope this will be Sloots fate. Yeah. Leave "real justice" up to prison sociopaths. Would this be different if Sloot somehow was the person administrating this "punishment" rather than some other random psycho?
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