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DarkMagician · 9th February 2004, 09:45 PM

With Itchy's constant references to numbers, I thought a primer in numerology was in order.

1. Find two numbers relating to events.
2a. If the two numbers match, you have a success.
2b. If not, pick and choose menial numbers from the list to add to either number.

add 1 for one word
add the number of syllables
add digits together
pull another number from a related event and add it in.
If it sort of sounds like a number word, add that number.
If sex was involved, add 2
If really good sex was involved, add 3.
Count the number of letters in some researchers name, ignore those that don't help you.
Go to bathroom, add number that your feces looks like
etc.

3. Go back to two until you succeed.

And there you have it, numerology! Only effective in some stories like "MacBeth", and to detect some scary similarities. Almost utterly useless in real life.

Iacchus · 9th February 2004, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DarkMagician

With Itchy's constant references to numbers, I thought a primer in numerology was in order.

1. Find two numbers relating to events.
2a. If the two numbers match, you have a success.
2b. If not, pick and choose menial numbers from the list to add to either number.

add 1 for one word

add the number of syllables

add digits together

pull another number from a related event and add it in.

If it sort of sounds like a number word, add that number.

If sex was involved, add 2

If really good sex was involved, add 3.

Count the number of letters in some researchers name, ignore those that don't help you.

Go to bathroom, add number that your feces looks like

etc.

3. Go back to two until you succeed.

And there you have it, numerology! Only effective in some stories like "MacBeth", and to detect some scary similarities. Almost utterly useless in real life.

What better way to acknowledge that something doesn't exist except through numbers?

I mean if it's there, then there must be some sort of recognizable pattern then right?

neutrino_cannon · 9th February 2004, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Iacchus
What better way to acknowledge that something doesn't exist except through numbers?

I mean if it's there, then there must be some sort of recognizable pattern then right?

Especially when the revelatory pattern is custom manufactured to amaze.

Iacchus · 9th February 2004, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by neutrino_cannon

Especially when the revelatory pattern is custom manufactured to amaze.

Indeed, custom jobs are usually quite more impressive!

9th February 2004, 10:44 PM

Don't forget: MAKE the numbers match a past event that occurred AFTER the book was published. It's especially "miraculous" that way.

I have yet to see an incident where these so-called "predictions" were descovered before a real-world event, and were used in any way to publicize the possibility, or be used to prevent the event in question.

DarkMagician · 10th February 2004, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by evildave
Don't forget: MAKE the numbers match a past event that occurred AFTER the book was published. It's especially "miraculous" that way.

I have yet to see an incident where these so-called "predictions" were descovered before a real-world event, and were used in any way to publicize the possibility, or be used to prevent the event in question.

Yeah, I knew I forgot something.

xouper · 10th February 2004, 06:49 AM

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evildave: I have yet to see an incident where these so-called "predictions" were descovered before a real-world event, and were used in any way to publicize the possibility, or be used to prevent the event in question.

Counter-example — Michael Drosnin's "bible code" technique "predicted" the assasination of Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin, before it happened. Also, Drosnin apparently tried to warn Rabin of this prediction.

Of course, mathematicians know that even a blind squirrel will find a nut now and then, and that Drosnin's before-the-fact prediction is not really so remarkable. But it is an example of a "prediction" made before the event.

But getting back to your other point, this example does not legitimize any of the post hoc "predictions" made by the numerologists. I only mention it so you can revise your comment, "I have yet to see more than one incident where these so-called "predictions" were descovered before a real-world event, ..."

Iacchus · 10th February 2004, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xouper
Counter-example — Michael Drosnin's "bible code" technique "predicted" the assasination of Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin, before it happened. Also, Drosnin apparently tried to warn Rabin of this prediction.

Of course, mathematicians know that even a blind squirrel will find a nut now and then, and that Drosnin's before-the-fact prediction is not really so remarkable. But it is an example of a "prediction" made before the event.

But getting back to your other point, this example does not legitimize any of the post hoc "predictions" made by the numerologists. I only mention it so you can revise your comment, "I have yet to see more than one incident where these so-called "predictions" were descovered before a real-world event, ..."

Speaking of numerology, check out this thread, Synchronicity / James Randi?

tamiO · 10th February 2004, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xouper

Of course, mathematicians know that even a blind squirrel will find a nut now and then, and that Drosnin's before-the-fact prediction is not really so remarkable.

Among my favorite numerology stories are the ones surrounding the events on September 11th, 2001. Even the lottery played along in the coincidence game.

One of the things that led me astray from reality was my own personal notation of 11's.

xouper · 10th February 2004, 07:31 AM

Quote:

tamiO: Among my favorite numerology stories are the ones surrounding the events on September 11th, 2001. Even the lottery played along in the coincidence game.

I guess I should update my article to include the NY lottery drawing on Sep 11, 2002 and 2003.

http://www.xoup.net/peeves/wtceleven.php

tamiO · 10th February 2004, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xouper
I guess I should update my article to include the NY lottery drawing on Sep 11, 2002 and 2003.

http://www.xoup.net/peeves/wtceleven.php

Very nice.

I am jealous of your skills, you know.

I recall just one 911 coincidence with the lottery, but I don't recall which year it was. Did it happen twice?

edited to add: Will this never end? I'm going insane! "GOING INSANE???" Eleven letters!!

9th February 2004, 09:45 PM	#1
DarkMagician Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Des Moines, IA Posts: 1,539	Numerology in a nutshell. With Itchy's constant references to numbers, I thought a primer in numerology was in order. 1. Find two numbers relating to events. 2a. If the two numbers match, you have a success. 2b. If not, pick and choose menial numbers from the list to add to either number. add 1 for one word add the number of syllables add digits together pull another number from a related event and add it in. If it sort of sounds like a number word, add that number. If sex was involved, add 2 If really good sex was involved, add 3. Count the number of letters in some researchers name, ignore those that don't help you. Go to bathroom, add number that your feces looks like etc. 3. Go back to two until you succeed. And there you have it, numerology! Only effective in some stories like "MacBeth", and to detect some scary similarities. Almost utterly useless in real life.
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9th February 2004, 10:07 PM	#2
Iacchus Suspended Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 10,085	Re: Numerology in a nutshell. Quote: Originally posted by DarkMagician With Itchy's constant references to numbers, I thought a primer in numerology was in order. 1. Find two numbers relating to events. 2a. If the two numbers match, you have a success. 2b. If not, pick and choose menial numbers from the list to add to either number. add 1 for one word add the number of syllables add digits together pull another number from a related event and add it in. If it sort of sounds like a number word, add that number. If sex was involved, add 2 If really good sex was involved, add 3. Count the number of letters in some researchers name, ignore those that don't help you. Go to bathroom, add number that your feces looks like etc. 3. Go back to two until you succeed. And there you have it, numerology! Only effective in some stories like "MacBeth", and to detect some scary similarities. Almost utterly useless in real life. What better way to acknowledge that something doesn't exist except through numbers? I mean if it's there, then there must be some sort of recognizable pattern then right?

9th February 2004, 10:17 PM	#3
neutrino_cannon Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seventh circle of limbo Posts: 2,575	Re: Re: Numerology in a nutshell. Quote: Originally posted by Iacchus What better way to acknowledge that something doesn't exist except through numbers? I mean if it's there, then there must be some sort of recognizable pattern then right? Especially when the revelatory pattern is custom manufactured to amaze.
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9th February 2004, 10:44 PM	#5
evildave Guest Posts: n/a	Don't forget: MAKE the numbers match a past event that occurred AFTER the book was published. It's especially "miraculous" that way. I have yet to see an incident where these so-called "predictions" were descovered before a real-world event, and were used in any way to publicize the possibility, or be used to prevent the event in question.
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10th February 2004, 06:18 AM	#6
DarkMagician Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Des Moines, IA Posts: 1,539	Quote: Originally posted by evildave Don't forget: MAKE the numbers match a past event that occurred AFTER the book was published. It's especially "miraculous" that way. I have yet to see an incident where these so-called "predictions" were descovered before a real-world event, and were used in any way to publicize the possibility, or be used to prevent the event in question. Yeah, I knew I forgot something.
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9th February 2004, 10:27 PM	#4
Iacchus Suspended Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 10,085	Quote: Originally posted by neutrino_cannon Especially when the revelatory pattern is custom manufactured to amaze. Indeed, custom jobs are usually quite more impressive!

10th February 2004, 06:49 AM	#7
xouper Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,189	Quote: evildave: I have yet to see an incident where these so-called "predictions" were descovered before a real-world event, and were used in any way to publicize the possibility, or be used to prevent the event in question. Counter-example — Michael Drosnin's "bible code" technique "predicted" the assasination of Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin, before it happened. Also, Drosnin apparently tried to warn Rabin of this prediction. Of course, mathematicians know that even a blind squirrel will find a nut now and then, and that Drosnin's before-the-fact prediction is not really so remarkable. But it is an example of a "prediction" made before the event. But getting back to your other point, this example does not legitimize any of the post hoc "predictions" made by the numerologists. I only mention it so you can revise your comment, "I have yet to see more than one incident where these so-called "predictions" were descovered before a real-world event, ..."
xouper Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,189

10th February 2004, 07:21 AM	#8
Iacchus Suspended Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 10,085	Quote: Originally posted by xouper Counter-example — Michael Drosnin's "bible code" technique "predicted" the assasination of Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin, before it happened. Also, Drosnin apparently tried to warn Rabin of this prediction. Of course, mathematicians know that even a blind squirrel will find a nut now and then, and that Drosnin's before-the-fact prediction is not really so remarkable. But it is an example of a "prediction" made before the event. But getting back to your other point, this example does not legitimize any of the post hoc "predictions" made by the numerologists. I only mention it so you can revise your comment, "I have yet to see more than one incident where these so-called "predictions" were descovered before a real-world event, ..." Speaking of numerology, check out this thread, Synchronicity / James Randi?

10th February 2004, 07:22 AM	#9
tamiO Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,287	Quote: Originally posted by xouper Of course, mathematicians know that even a blind squirrel will find a nut now and then, and that Drosnin's before-the-fact prediction is not really so remarkable. Among my favorite numerology stories are the ones surrounding the events on September 11th, 2001. Even the lottery played along in the coincidence game. One of the things that led me astray from reality was my own personal notation of 11's.
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10th February 2004, 07:31 AM	#10
xouper Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,189	Quote: tamiO: Among my favorite numerology stories are the ones surrounding the events on September 11th, 2001. Even the lottery played along in the coincidence game. I guess I should update my article to include the NY lottery drawing on Sep 11, 2002 and 2003. http://www.xoup.net/peeves/wtceleven.php
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10th February 2004, 07:53 AM	#11
tamiO Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,287	Quote: Originally posted by xouper I guess I should update my article to include the NY lottery drawing on Sep 11, 2002 and 2003. http://www.xoup.net/peeves/wtceleven.php Very nice. I am jealous of your skills, you know. I recall just one 911 coincidence with the lottery, but I don't recall which year it was. Did it happen twice? edited to add: Will this never end? I'm going insane! "GOING INSANE???" Eleven letters!!
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