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quarky · 20th July 2010, 03:00 AM

Originally Posted by Tricky

Probably. I have a southern accent. I'm from Alabama. Every summer when I was a child we'd go to my grandfather's cabin in Gulf Shores and play on the beautiful white sand beaches. I am heartbroken that those beaches are now dirty. I hope we will be able to make them recover. I'm sure going to try.

I wish I didn't know about your accent. Now, whenever I read a post of yours, I'll have to add the accent. And, if I'm ever admonished by you, in an official capacity, I'll be forced to add the Southern State Trouper attitude.

Back on topic,

I have complete trust that all forces are working at maximum effort. Its completely to their advantage to do so.

The blame game, if their is one, should be worked on a bit later so that it doesn't suck-up too much of B.P.'s resources, or the Government's brain power. I feel for Tricky in this, and not just as a suck-up.
I also love those waters, and have a southern hillbilly accent; though I can do new England college professor if I have to.

I ask this general question:
Has there ever been a peace-time effort of this scale to stop an environmental problem? I don't know, but I can't think of one off-hand.

And one specific question: The relief wells that are being drilled seem to be for the purpose of plugging up the hole. Why can't they be used to keep that pool on line; gather it in the usual way; relieve that pressure, etc.?
Seems like there's a lot of oil down there.

Tricky · 20th July 2010, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by quarky

I wish I didn't know about your accent. Now, whenever I read a post of yours, I'll have to add the accent. And, if I'm ever admonished by you, in an official capacity, I'll be forced to add the Southern State Trouper attitude.

Well, it's not pure southern. It's been modified by working for BP for thirty years. Think Andy Griffith doing the dead parrot sketch.

Originally Posted by quarky

And one specific question: The relief wells that are being drilled seem to be for the purpose of plugging up the hole. Why can't they be used to keep that pool on line; gather it in the usual way; relieve that pressure, etc.?
Seems like there's a lot of oil down there.

That is indeed likely. The first thing, though, is to get the oil stopped and evaluate the damage as well as possible. One thing to note is that this was a field that was not yet being produced. Even had the well been completed, it would have been tested and shut-in (probably). Producing the field is a very complex science that requires that you tap certain parts first and others later in order to maintain formation pressure.

But in all liklihood, this well will never be used for production. There is probably a great amount of formation damage from the unrestricted flow. You see, oil flow in completed wells is restricted or "choked" for any number of reasons to optimize flow, or to keep the reservoir from collapsing from differential pressure between sections. It's a lot more complex than that, but I'm not qualified to give you a better description. However, if it looks like this well can be used, then it will. Shutting a well in is a temporary step and allows it to be re-entered.

Tricky · 20th July 2010, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by Cain

Buuuuuuuull****. By the sound of it I can not only tell he's a phony, but where he's really from. I backtraced it.

Right, Professor Higgins. You are familiar with every form of southern accent and you are certain that a person's accent cannot be modified by factors other than their place of birth.

JimBenArm · 20th July 2010, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by Tricky

Right, Professor Higgins. You are familiar with every form of southern accent and you are certain that a person's accent cannot be modified by factors other than their place of birth.

My sister, born and raised in Kansas City, has lived in Louisiana for 30 years. She's picked up a bit of a Cajun accent over that time. Don't know if it's just an affect on her part, but it's there.

Tricky · 20th July 2010, 06:28 AM

Let's put the acrimony on hold for a few minutes. I agree, this is pretty funny.

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Howie Felterbush · 20th July 2010, 06:39 AM

None of those people has Southern accents...

What are you trying to pull on us Tricky?

Tricky · 20th July 2010, 06:58 AM

I'm not trying to pull anything. It was Halliburton.

Checkmite · 20th July 2010, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Elizabeth I

Actually, that was me, and I stand by what I said. To me that commercial smacks of W in a flight suit on a carrier deck proclaiming "mission accomplished."

And my original post was something in the sense of a "last straw" thing - BP screwed around with the safety of people and the environment, repeatedly, and now that the thing has finally, inevitably blown up in their faces, they think that sending some guy out on a boat to cruise around and talk in a Southern accent should make us forgive and trust them and quit screaming for Tony Hayward's head on a platter.

Oh, so YOU'RE the one, not him. I blame you for confusing me.

Anyway; where was I? Oh yes:

Most reasonable people, I believe, would allow that some kind of PR announcement is warranted or at least permissible given the circumstances. You, however, seem to think of it as evidence of how truly diabolical BP is. Your posts come off as if your finger is this close to the Caps Lock key.

Well no, you don't really appear to be ranting. But you certainly seem just as prone as I am to hyperbole. Again, the people who live in Louisiana are going to talk like people who live in Louisiana. Are you suggesting that, in order to appear "less smacking of mission accomplished", they should've flown in somebody from Michigan or New Hampshire to do the commercial, rather than the person who's actually in charge of the cleanup?

Checkmite · 20th July 2010, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by Tricky

I'm not trying to pull anything. It was Halliburton.

Confirmed an employee of a major Corporation using the term "pull" in a matter related to demolition.

I Ratant · 20th July 2010, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by Tricky

I'm not trying to pull anything. It was Halliburton.

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LOL!
Betcha H. DID have a oar in there too!

funk de fino · 20th July 2010, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan

I'm British too.

Tricky, I echo some of what has been said. I think that the overall management of the company BP are absolute amoral bastards who really don't care in the slightest. They rack up saftey violations like most people rack up breaths. It's a joke to think that they are in any way as bad as any company with less violations. Sure, they might well do a better job cleaning up the mess they made, but they still make a shocking amount of the total mess.

The problem is if you actually look at the reports, most of the other companies had more violations and more repeat ones. The reporting of violations is skewed against BP. Funnily enough.

TraneWreck · 20th July 2010, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by Tricky

Let's put the acrimony on hold for a few minutes. I agree, this is pretty funny.

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I think we can all agree that the best thing to come out of this mess is the phrase "junk shot."

ZirconBlue · 20th July 2010, 11:21 AM

From my perspective, I'm not sure that any ads right now are going to go over well. My preferred action plan for BP: Continue busting your ass to stop and clean up the leak. Continue making sure compensation claims are made quickly and fairly to those impacted. Worry about rebuilding your image after the bulk of the clean up efforts are behind us.

Originally Posted by Tricky

There is nobody in the world who wants this cleaned up more than BP folks.

Let's not go overboard. We'll never know for sure without a Want-O-Meter, but I suspect that there are people whose livelihoods have been devastated by this disaster who "want" it more than BP folks.

Originally Posted by PogoPedant

What's a neutral accent?

The one newscasters typically adopt.

Nogbad · 20th July 2010, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan

I'm British too.

Ooops so you are

Obviously BP are gits - they are an oil company. I think it is compulsory or something.

Tricky · 20th July 2010, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by ZirconBlue

From my perspective, I'm not sure that any ads right now are going to go over well. My preferred action plan for BP: Continue busting your ass to stop and clean up the leak. Continue making sure compensation claims are made quickly and fairly to those impacted. Worry about rebuilding your image after the bulk of the clean up efforts are behind us.

Do you mean stony silence, or speak only when spoken to? Frankly I think most people appreciate communication.

Originally Posted by ZirconBlue

Let's not go overboard. We'll never know for sure without a Want-O-Meter, but I suspect that there are people whose livelihoods have been devastated by this disaster who "want" it more than BP folks.

You think BP employees won't be devastated if the company, because it did a lousy job of cleaning up, is forced out of the US market? I'm sweatin' bullets, man.

Originally Posted by ZirconBlue

The one newscasters typically adopt.

They always sound phony to me. Who the hell really talks like that?

ZirconBlue · 20th July 2010, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Tricky

Do you mean stony silence, or speak only when spoken to? Frankly I think most people appreciate communication.

We've been getting plenty of communication that's reported on pretty much daily. I'm just talking about PR-type activities.

Quote:

You think BP employees won't be devastated if the company, because it did a lousy job of cleaning up, is forced out of the US market? I'm sweatin' bullets, man.

I'm sure they will, and I'm sure you are. But, some of the Gulf Coast residents have already been devastated.

Quote:

They always sound phony to me. Who the hell really talks like that?

I think I do. Not in newspeak, but in a general lack of accent.

Rolfe · 20th July 2010, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by ZirconBlue

I think I do. Not in newspeak, but in a general lack of accent.

Now I have to say that is delusional. Everybody has an accent.

Rolfe.

Tricky · 20th July 2010, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Rolfe

Now I have to say that is delusional. Everybody has an accent.

I was living in Alabama when Jimmy Carter was elected. Some wag in a local paper said, "Finally, a President without an accent."

Rolfe · 20th July 2010, 02:35 PM

As far as I'm concerned, you all have American accents. I would struggle to separate you by state or region, but American, that I can recognise.

I recall as a child, a schoolmate saying how glad she was she didn't have a Scottish accent like her granny. In fact her granny was speaking Scots, not English, but at the time it was fashionable to discourage children from speaking their native tongue. I remarked that I rather suspected anyone from England would consider that both of us had Scottish accents.

The closer a particular accent is to your own, the finer you can place it. But everybody has an accent.

Rolfe.

I Ratant · 20th July 2010, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Rolfe

Now I have to say that is delusional. Everybody has an accent.

Rolfe.

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I spent a few years in Caroline County in VA. Not that far south from Wash. DC.
A couple years after moving to the DC area, I had to go back to Caroline for the draft physical for the Cuban Missile Crisis.
I found the local dialect nearly impossible to understand after only a few years away.
That Southern Drawl can be a killer for comprehension.
Didn't hear anything like it in the BP commercial.

Elizabeth I · 20th July 2010, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Checkmite

Oh, so YOU'RE the one, not him. I blame you for confusing me.

Anyway; where was I? Oh yes:

Most reasonable people, I believe, would allow that some kind of PR announcement is warranted or at least permissible given the circumstances. You, however, seem to think of it as evidence of how truly diabolical BP is. Your posts come off as if your finger is this close to the Caps Lock key.

Well no, you don't really appear to be ranting. But you certainly seem just as prone as I am to hyperbole. Again, the people who live in Louisiana are going to talk like people who live in Louisiana. Are you suggesting that, in order to appear "less smacking of mission accomplished", they should've flown in somebody from Michigan or New Hampshire to do the commercial, rather than the person who's actually in charge of the cleanup?

Well, actually I work in PR, and yes, some kind of statement from the company would be, if not required, certainly strongly recommended. It always fascinates me why almost no one will follow the Tylenol model: admit responsibility, apologize, tell people explicitly what you're going to do (e.g., we will close the plant and cease production of Tylenol until we can figure out how this happened and how to prevent it in the future), then come back periodically and tell them explicitly what you have done and what kind of success your efforts have had. It worked for Tylenol and is still considered a textbook case of crisis communication, but unfortunately most companies seem to consider that stonewalling first and lying next is the way to go.

BP had their CEO whining about wanting his life back and people understating the rate of flow after the blowout, and then all of a sudden some guy from the south talking vaguely about booms and skimmers. I will admit that in the latest commercial they did give an estimate of how many gallons or barrels or whatever it was of oil, and that's a step in the right direction when it comes to communication. Again, I think it's too little, too late, and it looks to me as if they're trying to deflect criticism by having it delivered in a regional accent.

Furcifer · 20th July 2010, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by Elizabeth I

It always fascinates me why almost no one will follow the Tylenol model: admit responsibility, apologize, tell people explicitly what you're going to do (e.g., we will close the plant and cease production of Tylenol until we can figure out how this happened and how to prevent it in the future), then come back periodically and tell them explicitly what you have done and what kind of success your efforts have had.

Because they have no intention of doing so. I think we've come to a point in history where the companies weigh the cost and probability of the fine against operating in the margins.

People are too busy to remember. Are you going to pass a BP station when you need gas because of this? I bet statistically no you won't.

The bean counters know if they keep the price of unleaded at $0.99/g over the long weekend they will make up the difference by Easter 2011.

ponderingturtle · 21st July 2010, 03:34 AM

Originally Posted by ZirconBlue

I'm sure they will, and I'm sure you are. But, some of the Gulf Coast residents have already been devastated.

But they are getting free oil handouts from BP, what more do they want?

richardm · 21st July 2010, 03:37 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

But they are getting free oil handouts from BP, what more do they want?

If gasoline is really only 99c a gallon, how is that a bonus? In the UK it is £5.40 a gallon. Really BP should have a massive oil spill here where it would be properly appreciated.

Tricky · 21st July 2010, 05:27 AM

Since this thread is about the media and BP, I'm hoping this isn't too far off topic.

There was an accident at BP today. I witnessed it. Not a terrible accident. it was just a fender-bender in the parking lot, but it could have been avoided. One car was speeding, ignoring the clearly marked signs and running a stop sign at a cross-walk. It hit another car coming out the "drive-through" in the middle of the lot. Wouldn't you know it, the press was there immediately. The press was there immediately because the jerk that was speeding was a member of the press who was probably at our office reporting on what careless jerks BP are. (At least, that's what I'm guessing from the ID sticker from a local TV station. He spoke with a "neutral accent".)

Nobody hurt, no serious damage, fortunately. About all that might happen is that that car will be prohibited from parking in the deck, since I reported its tag number. I'm pretty sure you won't even see anything on the news about it.

quarky · 21st July 2010, 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by Tricky

Since this thread is about the media and BP, I'm hoping this isn't too far off topic.

There was an accident at BP today. I witnessed it. Not a terrible accident. it was just a fender-bender in the parking lot, but it could have been avoided. One car was speeding, ignoring the clearly marked signs and running a stop sign at a cross-walk. It hit another car coming out the "drive-through" in the middle of the lot. Wouldn't you know it, the press was there immediately. The press was there immediately because the jerk that was speeding was a member of the press who was probably at our office reporting on what careless jerks BP are. (At least, that's what I'm guessing from the ID sticker from a local TV station. He spoke with a "neutral accent".)

Nobody hurt, no serious damage, fortunately. About all that might happen is that that car will be prohibited from parking in the deck, since I reported its tag number. I'm pretty sure you won't even see anything on the news about it.

This is where I get all my news.

Are you blaming the press?

richardm · 21st July 2010, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by ZirconBlue

I haven't seen $0.99/gal gas in years. Well, I saw a sign for gas at that price yesterday, but it was a sign for a gas station that was torn down years ago. I think the current national average is around $2.80. Much higher in some places, lower in others, of course.

Originally Posted by 3bodyproblem

The bean counters know if they keep the price of unleaded at $0.99/g over the long weekend they will make up the difference by Easter 2011.

3bodyproblem must be spoiled

ZirconBlue · 21st July 2010, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by richardm

3bodyproblem must be spoiled

Maybe he meant $0.99 per gram.

EHocking · 21st July 2010, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by Elizabeth I

..Again, I think it's too little, too late, and it looks to me as if they're trying to deflect criticism by having it delivered in a regional accent.

Sorry for just jumping in like this, but I read an interesting article today on the subject.

Quote:

Shiri Lev-Ari, co-author of "Why Don't We Believe Non-native Speakers? The Influence of Accent on Credibility", said: "Accent might reduce the credibility of non-native job seekers, eyewitnesses, reporters or people taking calls in foreign call centers."

As part of the research, published in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, American participants were asked to judge the truthfulness of trivia statements by native or non-native speakers of English, such as, "A giraffe can go without water longer than a camel can."

Even though they knew the speakers were reciting from a script, they were less likely to believe what was said by those speaking with a foreign accent.

quadraginta · 21st July 2010, 06:56 AM

[quote=EHocking;6145832]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth I

..Again, I think it's too little, too late, and it looks to me as if they're trying to deflect criticism by having it delivered in a regional accent.

Sorry for just jumping in like this, but I read an interesting article today on the subject.

Quote:

Shiri Lev-Ari, co-author of "Why Don't We Believe Non-native Speakers? The Influence of Accent on Credibility", said: "Accent might reduce the credibility of non-native job seekers, eyewitnesses, reporters or people taking calls in foreign call centers."

As part of the research, published in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, American participants were asked to judge the truthfulness of trivia statements by native or non-native speakers of English, such as, "A giraffe can go without water longer than a camel can."

Even though they knew the speakers were reciting from a script, they were less likely to believe what was said by those speaking with a foreign accent.

Sad to say, for much of the U.S. "Southern" is a foreign accent.

Furcifer · 21st July 2010, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by richardm

3bodyproblem must be spoiled

hehe, kinda subconsciously did that. It's $0.99/l right now. I was trying to imagine a cheap US price that would get people to buy. I suppose $1.99/g would do it.

I Ratant · 21st July 2010, 10:05 AM

Don't understand Frog Yards anyway.

20th July 2010, 03:00 AM	#81
quarky Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 20,454	Originally Posted by Tricky Probably. I have a southern accent. I'm from Alabama. Every summer when I was a child we'd go to my grandfather's cabin in Gulf Shores and play on the beautiful white sand beaches. I am heartbroken that those beaches are now dirty. I hope we will be able to make them recover. I'm sure going to try. I wish I didn't know about your accent. Now, whenever I read a post of yours, I'll have to add the accent. And, if I'm ever admonished by you, in an official capacity, I'll be forced to add the Southern State Trouper attitude. Back on topic, I have complete trust that all forces are working at maximum effort. Its completely to their advantage to do so. The blame game, if their is one, should be worked on a bit later so that it doesn't suck-up too much of B.P.'s resources, or the Government's brain power. I feel for Tricky in this, and not just as a suck-up. I also love those waters, and have a southern hillbilly accent; though I can do new England college professor if I have to. I ask this general question: Has there ever been a peace-time effort of this scale to stop an environmental problem? I don't know, but I can't think of one off-hand. And one specific question: The relief wells that are being drilled seem to be for the purpose of plugging up the hole. Why can't they be used to keep that pool on line; gather it in the usual way; relieve that pressure, etc.? Seems like there's a lot of oil down there.
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20th July 2010, 05:57 AM	#84
JimBenArm Based on a true story! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 13,018	Originally Posted by Tricky Right, Professor Higgins. You are familiar with every form of southern accent and you are certain that a person's accent cannot be modified by factors other than their place of birth. My sister, born and raised in Kansas City, has lived in Louisiana for 30 years. She's picked up a bit of a Cajun accent over that time. Don't know if it's just an affect on her part, but it's there.
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20th July 2010, 06:39 AM	#86
Howie Felterbush Bow Tie Daddy Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: In the twilight, singing all the old lullabies Posts: 5,333	None of those people has Southern accents... What are you trying to pull on us Tricky?
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20th July 2010, 08:25 AM	#88
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Third in line Posts: 14,976	Originally Posted by Elizabeth I Actually, that was me, and I stand by what I said. To me that commercial smacks of W in a flight suit on a carrier deck proclaiming "mission accomplished." And my original post was something in the sense of a "last straw" thing - BP screwed around with the safety of people and the environment, repeatedly, and now that the thing has finally, inevitably blown up in their faces, they think that sending some guy out on a boat to cruise around and talk in a Southern accent should make us forgive and trust them and quit screaming for Tony Hayward's head on a platter. Oh, so YOU'RE the one, not him. I blame you for confusing me. Anyway; where was I? Oh yes: Most reasonable people, I believe, would allow that some kind of PR announcement is warranted or at least permissible given the circumstances. You, however, seem to think of it as evidence of how truly diabolical BP is. Your posts come off as if your finger is this close to the Caps Lock key. Well no, you don't really appear to be ranting. But you certainly seem just as prone as I am to hyperbole. Again, the people who live in Louisiana are going to talk like people who live in Louisiana. Are you suggesting that, in order to appear "less smacking of mission accomplished", they should've flown in somebody from Michigan or New Hampshire to do the commercial, rather than the person who's actually in charge of the cleanup?
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20th July 2010, 08:35 AM	#89
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Third in line Posts: 14,976	Originally Posted by Tricky I'm not trying to pull anything. It was Halliburton. Confirmed an employee of a major Corporation using the term "pull" in a matter related to demolition.
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20th July 2010, 05:42 AM	#82
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,403	Originally Posted by quarky I wish I didn't know about your accent. Now, whenever I read a post of yours, I'll have to add the accent. And, if I'm ever admonished by you, in an official capacity, I'll be forced to add the Southern State Trouper attitude. Well, it's not pure southern. It's been modified by working for BP for thirty years. Think Andy Griffith doing the dead parrot sketch. Originally Posted by quarky And one specific question: The relief wells that are being drilled seem to be for the purpose of plugging up the hole. Why can't they be used to keep that pool on line; gather it in the usual way; relieve that pressure, etc.? Seems like there's a lot of oil down there. That is indeed likely. The first thing, though, is to get the oil stopped and evaluate the damage as well as possible. One thing to note is that this was a field that was not yet being produced. Even had the well been completed, it would have been tested and shut-in (probably). Producing the field is a very complex science that requires that you tap certain parts first and others later in order to maintain formation pressure. But in all liklihood, this well will never be used for production. There is probably a great amount of formation damage from the unrestricted flow. You see, oil flow in completed wells is restricted or "choked" for any number of reasons to optimize flow, or to keep the reservoir from collapsing from differential pressure between sections. It's a lot more complex than that, but I'm not qualified to give you a better description. However, if it looks like this well can be used, then it will. Shutting a well in is a temporary step and allows it to be re-entered.

20th July 2010, 05:45 AM	#83
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,403	Originally Posted by Cain Buuuuuuuull****. By the sound of it I can not only tell he's a phony, but where he's really from. I backtraced it. Right, Professor Higgins. You are familiar with every form of southern accent and you are certain that a person's accent cannot be modified by factors other than their place of birth.

20th July 2010, 06:58 AM	#87
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,403	I'm not trying to pull anything. It was Halliburton.

20th July 2010, 09:16 AM	#90
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	Originally Posted by Tricky I'm not trying to pull anything. It was Halliburton. . LOL! Betcha H. DID have a oar in there too!

20th July 2010, 09:16 AM	#91
funk de fino Dreaming of unicorns Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Alba Posts: 10,813	Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan I'm British too. Tricky, I echo some of what has been said. I think that the overall management of the company BP are absolute amoral bastards who really don't care in the slightest. They rack up saftey violations like most people rack up breaths. It's a joke to think that they are in any way as bad as any company with less violations. Sure, they might well do a better job cleaning up the mess they made, but they still make a shocking amount of the total mess. The problem is if you actually look at the reports, most of the other companies had more violations and more repeat ones. The reporting of violations is skewed against BP. Funnily enough.
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20th July 2010, 11:21 AM	#93
ZirconBlue Sole Survivor of L-Town Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wilson, North Carolina, USA, Earth Posts: 11,402	From my perspective, I'm not sure that any ads right now are going to go over well. My preferred action plan for BP: Continue busting your ass to stop and clean up the leak. Continue making sure compensation claims are made quickly and fairly to those impacted. Worry about rebuilding your image after the bulk of the clean up efforts are behind us. Originally Posted by Tricky There is nobody in the world who wants this cleaned up more than BP folks. Let's not go overboard. We'll never know for sure without a Want-O-Meter, but I suspect that there are people whose livelihoods have been devastated by this disaster who "want" it more than BP folks. Originally Posted by PogoPedant What's a neutral accent? The one newscasters typically adopt.
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20th July 2010, 01:26 PM	#94
Nogbad Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 2,517	Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan I'm British too. Ooops so you are Obviously BP are gits - they are an oil company. I think it is compulsory or something.
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20th July 2010, 01:29 PM	#95
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,403	Originally Posted by ZirconBlue From my perspective, I'm not sure that any ads right now are going to go over well. My preferred action plan for BP: Continue busting your ass to stop and clean up the leak. Continue making sure compensation claims are made quickly and fairly to those impacted. Worry about rebuilding your image after the bulk of the clean up efforts are behind us. Do you mean stony silence, or speak only when spoken to? Frankly I think most people appreciate communication. Originally Posted by ZirconBlue Let's not go overboard. We'll never know for sure without a Want-O-Meter, but I suspect that there are people whose livelihoods have been devastated by this disaster who "want" it more than BP folks. You think BP employees won't be devastated if the company, because it did a lousy job of cleaning up, is forced out of the US market? I'm sweatin' bullets, man. Originally Posted by ZirconBlue The one newscasters typically adopt. They always sound phony to me. Who the hell really talks like that?

20th July 2010, 01:57 PM	#96
ZirconBlue Sole Survivor of L-Town Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wilson, North Carolina, USA, Earth Posts: 11,402	Originally Posted by Tricky Do you mean stony silence, or speak only when spoken to? Frankly I think most people appreciate communication. We've been getting plenty of communication that's reported on pretty much daily. I'm just talking about PR-type activities. Quote: You think BP employees won't be devastated if the company, because it did a lousy job of cleaning up, is forced out of the US market? I'm sweatin' bullets, man. I'm sure they will, and I'm sure you are. But, some of the Gulf Coast residents have already been devastated. Quote: They always sound phony to me. Who the hell really talks like that? I think I do. Not in newspeak, but in a general lack of accent.
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20th July 2010, 02:17 PM	#97
Rolfe Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 34,406	Originally Posted by ZirconBlue I think I do. Not in newspeak, but in a general lack of accent. Now I have to say that is delusional. Everybody has an accent. Rolfe.
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20th July 2010, 02:29 PM	#98
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,403	Originally Posted by Rolfe Now I have to say that is delusional. Everybody has an accent. I was living in Alabama when Jimmy Carter was elected. Some wag in a local paper said, "Finally, a President without an accent."

20th July 2010, 02:35 PM	#99
Rolfe Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 34,406	As far as I'm concerned, you all have American accents. I would struggle to separate you by state or region, but American, that I can recognise. I recall as a child, a schoolmate saying how glad she was she didn't have a Scottish accent like her granny. In fact her granny was speaking Scots, not English, but at the time it was fashionable to discourage children from speaking their native tongue. I remarked that I rather suspected anyone from England would consider that both of us had Scottish accents. The closer a particular accent is to your own, the finer you can place it. But everybody has an accent. Rolfe.
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20th July 2010, 04:42 PM	#100
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	Originally Posted by Rolfe Now I have to say that is delusional. Everybody has an accent. Rolfe. . I spent a few years in Caroline County in VA. Not that far south from Wash. DC. A couple years after moving to the DC area, I had to go back to Caroline for the draft physical for the Cuban Missile Crisis. I found the local dialect nearly impossible to understand after only a few years away. That Southern Drawl can be a killer for comprehension. Didn't hear anything like it in the BP commercial.

20th July 2010, 07:15 PM	#101
Elizabeth I Olympic Equestrian Wannabe Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Defending the Alamo Posts: 9,355	Originally Posted by Checkmite Oh, so YOU'RE the one, not him. I blame you for confusing me. Anyway; where was I? Oh yes: Most reasonable people, I believe, would allow that some kind of PR announcement is warranted or at least permissible given the circumstances. You, however, seem to think of it as evidence of how truly diabolical BP is. Your posts come off as if your finger is this close to the Caps Lock key. Well no, you don't really appear to be ranting. But you certainly seem just as prone as I am to hyperbole. Again, the people who live in Louisiana are going to talk like people who live in Louisiana. Are you suggesting that, in order to appear "less smacking of mission accomplished", they should've flown in somebody from Michigan or New Hampshire to do the commercial, rather than the person who's actually in charge of the cleanup? Well, actually I work in PR, and yes, some kind of statement from the company would be, if not required, certainly strongly recommended. It always fascinates me why almost no one will follow the Tylenol model: admit responsibility, apologize, tell people explicitly what you're going to do (e.g., we will close the plant and cease production of Tylenol until we can figure out how this happened and how to prevent it in the future), then come back periodically and tell them explicitly what you have done and what kind of success your efforts have had. It worked for Tylenol and is still considered a textbook case of crisis communication, but unfortunately most companies seem to consider that stonewalling first and lying next is the way to go. BP had their CEO whining about wanting his life back and people understating the rate of flow after the blowout, and then all of a sudden some guy from the south talking vaguely about booms and skimmers. I will admit that in the latest commercial they did give an estimate of how many gallons or barrels or whatever it was of oil, and that's a step in the right direction when it comes to communication. Again, I think it's too little, too late, and it looks to me as if they're trying to deflect criticism by having it delivered in a regional accent.
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20th July 2010, 07:32 PM	#102
Furcifer miscreant Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: hohm Posts: 13,379	Originally Posted by Elizabeth I It always fascinates me why almost no one will follow the Tylenol model: admit responsibility, apologize, tell people explicitly what you're going to do (e.g., we will close the plant and cease production of Tylenol until we can figure out how this happened and how to prevent it in the future), then come back periodically and tell them explicitly what you have done and what kind of success your efforts have had. Because they have no intention of doing so. I think we've come to a point in history where the companies weigh the cost and probability of the fine against operating in the margins. People are too busy to remember. Are you going to pass a BP station when you need gas because of this? I bet statistically no you won't. The bean counters know if they keep the price of unleaded at $0.99/g over the long weekend they will make up the difference by Easter 2011.

21st July 2010, 03:34 AM	#103
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tarrytown, NY Posts: 26,547	Originally Posted by ZirconBlue I'm sure they will, and I'm sure you are. But, some of the Gulf Coast residents have already been devastated. But they are getting free oil handouts from BP, what more do they want?
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21st July 2010, 03:37 AM	#104
richardm Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,270	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle But they are getting free oil handouts from BP, what more do they want? If gasoline is really only 99c a gallon, how is that a bonus? In the UK it is £5.40 a gallon. Really BP should have a massive oil spill here where it would be properly appreciated.
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21st July 2010, 05:27 AM	#105
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,403	Since this thread is about the media and BP, I'm hoping this isn't too far off topic. There was an accident at BP today. I witnessed it. Not a terrible accident. it was just a fender-bender in the parking lot, but it could have been avoided. One car was speeding, ignoring the clearly marked signs and running a stop sign at a cross-walk. It hit another car coming out the "drive-through" in the middle of the lot. Wouldn't you know it, the press was there immediately. The press was there immediately because the jerk that was speeding was a member of the press who was probably at our office reporting on what careless jerks BP are. (At least, that's what I'm guessing from the ID sticker from a local TV station. He spoke with a "neutral accent".) Nobody hurt, no serious damage, fortunately. About all that might happen is that that car will be prohibited from parking in the deck, since I reported its tag number. I'm pretty sure you won't even see anything on the news about it.

21st July 2010, 05:40 AM	#106
quarky Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 20,454	Originally Posted by Tricky Since this thread is about the media and BP, I'm hoping this isn't too far off topic. There was an accident at BP today. I witnessed it. Not a terrible accident. it was just a fender-bender in the parking lot, but it could have been avoided. One car was speeding, ignoring the clearly marked signs and running a stop sign at a cross-walk. It hit another car coming out the "drive-through" in the middle of the lot. Wouldn't you know it, the press was there immediately. The press was there immediately because the jerk that was speeding was a member of the press who was probably at our office reporting on what careless jerks BP are. (At least, that's what I'm guessing from the ID sticker from a local TV station. He spoke with a "neutral accent".) Nobody hurt, no serious damage, fortunately. About all that might happen is that that car will be prohibited from parking in the deck, since I reported its tag number. I'm pretty sure you won't even see anything on the news about it. This is where I get all my news. Are you blaming the press?
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21st July 2010, 05:52 AM	#107
richardm Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,270	Originally Posted by ZirconBlue I haven't seen $0.99/gal gas in years. Well, I saw a sign for gas at that price yesterday, but it was a sign for a gas station that was torn down years ago. I think the current national average is around $2.80. Much higher in some places, lower in others, of course. Originally Posted by 3bodyproblem The bean counters know if they keep the price of unleaded at $0.99/g over the long weekend they will make up the difference by Easter 2011. 3bodyproblem must be spoiled
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21st July 2010, 06:04 AM	#108
ZirconBlue Sole Survivor of L-Town Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wilson, North Carolina, USA, Earth Posts: 11,402	Originally Posted by richardm 3bodyproblem must be spoiled Maybe he meant $0.99 per gram.
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21st July 2010, 06:24 AM	#109
EHocking Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,418	Originally Posted by Elizabeth I ..Again, I think it's too little, too late, and it looks to me as if they're trying to deflect criticism by having it delivered in a regional accent. Sorry for just jumping in like this, but I read an interesting article today on the subject. Quote: Shiri Lev-Ari, co-author of "Why Don't We Believe Non-native Speakers? The Influence of Accent on Credibility", said: "Accent might reduce the credibility of non-native job seekers, eyewitnesses, reporters or people taking calls in foreign call centers." As part of the research, published in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, American participants were asked to judge the truthfulness of trivia statements by native or non-native speakers of English, such as, "A giraffe can go without water longer than a camel can." Even though they knew the speakers were reciting from a script, they were less likely to believe what was said by those speaking with a foreign accent.
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21st July 2010, 06:56 AM	#110
quadraginta What was the question? Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility Posts: 7,964	[quote=EHocking;6145832] Originally Posted by Elizabeth I ..Again, I think it's too little, too late, and it looks to me as if they're trying to deflect criticism by having it delivered in a regional accent. Sorry for just jumping in like this, but I read an interesting article today on the subject. Quote: Shiri Lev-Ari, co-author of "Why Don't We Believe Non-native Speakers? The Influence of Accent on Credibility", said: "Accent might reduce the credibility of non-native job seekers, eyewitnesses, reporters or people taking calls in foreign call centers." As part of the research, published in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, American participants were asked to judge the truthfulness of trivia statements by native or non-native speakers of English, such as, "A giraffe can go without water longer than a camel can." Even though they knew the speakers were reciting from a script, they were less likely to believe what was said by those speaking with a foreign accent. Sad to say, for much of the U.S. "Southern" is a foreign accent.
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21st July 2010, 09:29 AM	#111
Furcifer miscreant Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: hohm Posts: 13,379	Originally Posted by richardm 3bodyproblem must be spoiled hehe, kinda subconsciously did that. It's $0.99/l right now. I was trying to imagine a cheap US price that would get people to buy. I suppose $1.99/g would do it.

21st July 2010, 10:05 AM	#112
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