Greenpeace "shuts down" BP stations in London

kevinquinnyo · 27th July 2010, 04:00 AM

Greenpeace ~~shuts down~~ childishly vandalizes a few BP gas station/convenience stores in London: http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/index.html

They are calling for a "tough new law against dirty gas."

Speaking of laws...

kevinquinnyo · 27th July 2010, 04:06 AM

http://twitpic.com/photos/greenpeaceuk

Photo chronicle of the vandalism.

Aren't those the emergency shut off valves they are removing? That's not cool.

For some reason, part of me says they only did this to one or two, and the rest is just a big PR stunt. Either way, Greenpeace is a joke.

Aepervius · 27th July 2010, 04:14 AM

I am about to tout old law on vandalism here...

Bell · 27th July 2010, 05:17 AM

Because those franchisers are totally responsible for the oil leak. Oh, wait...

Tricky · 27th July 2010, 05:33 AM

Yeah, let's cause a big explosion at a petrol station. That will show them not to let another explosion... um... hang on.

Arisia · 27th July 2010, 06:47 AM

I have noticed that the local BP stations are very quiet these days, sad for the local station that switched from Gulf to BP about six months ago (I think, I know it's been less than a year). A bit of misplaced punishment, but at least it's average consumers speaking with their wallets, rather than 'activists' with vandalism.

richardm · 27th July 2010, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by Tricky

Yeah, let's cause a big explosion at a petrol station. That will show them not to let another explosion... um... hang on.

They turned the pump isolation switches off then disconnected them so that they couldn't be switched back on. It's not very nice, but it's not likely to cause an explosion; it's not as though they were unfastening pipes or anything.

fuelair · 27th July 2010, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by kevinquinnyo

Greenpeace ~~shuts down~~ childishly vandalizes a few BP gas station/convenience stores in London: http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/index.html

They are calling for a "tough new law against dirty gas."

Speaking of laws...

Greenpeace = childish

and I am very pro:environment.

fuelair · 27th July 2010, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by richardm

They turned the pump isolation switches off then disconnected them so that they couldn't be switched back on. It's not very nice, but it's not likely to cause an explosion; it's not as though they were unfastening pipes or anything.

Frankly, it would not bother me at all if there was an explosion while they were playing in their little sandbox.

Psi Baba · 27th July 2010, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by Arisia

I have noticed that the local BP stations are very quiet these days, sad for the local station that switched from Gulf to BP about six months ago (I think, I know it's been less than a year). A bit of misplaced punishment, but at least it's average consumers speaking with their wallets, rather than 'activists' with vandalism.

The thing to do would be to patronize the mini-mart, but just not purchase gasoline. We're always told that the owners of gas stations don't make any money on gas anyway, and only on what they sell in the stores. If that's true (I've yet to see any real evidence of it), then just don't buy the gas, but spend money in the mini-mart.

Mister Earl · 27th July 2010, 09:17 AM

I've got no love for Greenpeace (and peta), but I'm not seeing vandalism here. Shutting off the pumps aside, all they are doing is putting up signs. From what everyone made it sounds like, I had the impression they were going into the marts and trashing everything. Signs are a minor thing.

ponderingturtle · 27th July 2010, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Psi Baba

The thing to do would be to patronize the mini-mart, but just not purchase gasoline. We're always told that the owners of gas stations don't make any money on gas anyway, and only on what they sell in the stores. If that's true (I've yet to see any real evidence of it), then just don't buy the gas, but spend money in the mini-mart.

The thing is it doesn't really matter if you buy the gas there, if you don't they can just sell it, gas is a fungible commodity after all. Hell they might well not be getting the same gas out of a pipeline that the put into it. They might put 1000 barrels in at one end and get 1000 barrels out at the other, but it might well not be the same 1000 barrels.

dudalb · 27th July 2010, 11:14 AM

More idiocy from Greenpeace.
What gets to me is how stupid this is as a way of getting your message across. They are a lot like PETA in that regard.

Checkmite · 27th July 2010, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Mister Earl

I've got no love for Greenpeace (and peta), but I'm not seeing vandalism here. Shutting off the pumps aside, all they are doing is putting up signs. From what everyone made it sounds like, I had the impression they were going into the marts and trashing everything. Signs are a minor thing.

Yeah, BP must be a dodgy operation if hanging a fake closed sign in front of one is all it takes to put one "out of service".

AvalonXQ · 27th July 2010, 12:29 PM

So, now Greanpeace is organizing criminal acts? How disgusting!
Here's hoping BP sues the organization for every dime they have, shutting them down for good.

Bell · 27th July 2010, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by AvalonXQ

So, now Greanpeace is organizing criminal acts? How disgusting!
Here's hoping BP sues the organization for every dime they have, shutting them down for good.

BP doesn't have a good track record of getting things shut down.

uk_dave · 27th July 2010, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Bell

BP doesn't have a good track record of getting things shut down.

So sharp!

KoihimeNakamura · 27th July 2010, 01:56 PM

... S... [rule10] them.

THEY don't hve to explain to customers why the station can't pump!

George152 · 27th July 2010, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Bell

BP doesn't have a good track record of getting things shut down.

They should have let the US government handle the leak.

Saturday Quarterbacks always know more than the experts

groupthinker · 27th July 2010, 02:14 PM

crazy commie liberals at it again... surprise surprise

WildCat · 27th July 2010, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by George152

They should have let the US government handle the leak.

Saturday Quarterbacks always know more than the experts

Uh, that's Monday morning quarterbacks, because the NFL plays (usually) on Sundays. Saturday is when college football teams play (usually).

/free lesson to foreigners

Cleon · 27th July 2010, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Uh, that's Monday morning quarterbacks, because the NFL plays (usually) on Sundays. Saturday is when college football teams play (usually).

/free lesson to foreigners

Well, it's a sticker wicket.

AvalonXQ · 27th July 2010, 02:51 PM

I prefer the term "armchair quarterbacks" myself, since it applies to folks even while a disaster is ongoing.

Soapy Sam · 28th July 2010, 03:10 AM

What next? Hit the emergency stop switch on a London Underground escalator during rush hour?
The underground uses all sorts of BP products.

The people Greenpeace need to get their message across to are not the energy producers, but the consumers. Us.

Had all the oil and gas from the Macondo well been successfully produced and pumped ashore, how many people would have boycotted it then? How many of those criticising BP now would have happily burned it taking their kids to school? On balance, did BP actually do the world a favour by diumping it in the ocean?

Harpo · 28th July 2010, 04:18 AM

Originally Posted by Mister Earl

.....but I'm not seeing vandalism here. Shutting off the pumps aside, all they are doing is putting up signs....blah

So the photographs of activists using screwdrivers to remove the emergency shut off valve levers isn't proof of them commiting multiple acts of vandalism?

Putting up signs isn't all they're doing!!

Xephyr · 28th July 2010, 08:46 AM

I wonder if these Greenpeace ~~hooligans~~ activists walked to the BP station... or did they drive there ?

Were they wearing hand-woven hemp cloth clothing and footwear... or were they wearing mass-produced jeans, t-shirt, and running shoes with rubber soles ?

Prior to commiting their ~~crime~~ protest, did they bathe in their backyard rain-water collection tub... or did they shower in their personal bathroom's locally pumped in water supply ?

Speaking of showering... Did they shampoo their hair with a hand-made bar of soap... or did they use mass-produced shampoo in a plastic bottle ?

After they finished ~~vandalizing~~ getting their point across, did they walk to their local pub and celebrate with an organically produced hand-carved wooden cup of carrot juice... or did they have a mass-produced dark lager poured into a factory made drinking glass ?

Did they then peddle their bikes over to the local Greenpeace headquarters to announce the news of their ~~damage~~ victory to their local brethren... or did they jump onto their plastic computers and send off a mass e-mail ?

Just wondering...

The Central Scrutinizer · 28th July 2010, 09:31 AM

Where is the owner of the station? I'd be out there removing the ladder. "Ooops, I didn't realize you were up there!"

Xephyr · 28th July 2010, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

Where is the owner of the station? I'd be out there removing the ladder. "Ooops, I didn't realize you were up there!"

Well let's hope they at least used a hand-made hemp rope ladder, and not one of those factory manufactured metal ones that you can pick up at your local hardware store...

WildCat · 28th July 2010, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Xephyr

Prior to commiting their ~~crime~~ protest, did they bathe in their backyard rain-water collection tub... or did they shower in their personal bathroom's locally pumped in water supply ?

Speaking of showering... Did they shampoo their hair with a hand-made bar of soap... or did they use mass-produced shampoo in a plastic bottle ?

Uh, these were Greenpeace activists... odds of any sort of bathing are remote.

Cain · 28th July 2010, 10:07 AM

In college a friend of mine had a squeegee in his car.
Cain: Hey, you got a squeegee.
Rich: Yeah, I stole it.
(off-Cain's reaction)
Rich: Yep. From Shell. They kill people in Nigeria so I said ****'em!

This guy would also steal books from Borders. He and this other friend (who worked for and then was fired from Z-Magazine) knew that one of the detectors was busted, so they'd just stack up copies of Chomsky, Parenti, Zinn, Churchill (the cool one), and then run out.

He rationalized it as follows: Who am I hurting? An evil corporation. It's not going to raise prices on customers or harm employees by putting the place out of business. ****'em.

(This guy rarely curses, so ****'em always had a special bite. His father was a pastor, disappointed his son became an atheist. As far as I know he's getting a Ph.D in philosophy from Syracuse. He was hard-core into post-modernism when we last communicated, claiming that sex organs are the only difference between boys and girls.)

God, in retrospect this should have its own thread. I'll never forget his reaction to 9/11.

Cain · 28th July 2010, 10:11 AM

I don't want to come off as anti-vandalism though. Private property destruction can be cool; it has a place. In the above case, my friend profited from his activity, which is a big no-no.

I support this **** more when it comes to animal rights violations, which I suppose is related to the BP oil spill. It serves as a kind of cruelty tax. ****'em.

geni · 28th July 2010, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Xephyr

I wonder if these Greenpeace ~~hooligans~~ activists walked to the BP station... or did they drive there ?

It's london so I doubt they drove.

Mister Earl · 28th July 2010, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by Harpo

So the photographs of activists using screwdrivers to remove the emergency shut off valve levers isn't proof of them commiting multiple acts of vandalism?

Putting up signs isn't all they're doing!!

I'm not familiar enough with the shutoff system. I see them using a screwdriver, but are they actually removing it, or disabling it via a mechanism intended for that purpose? I.E., if all they are doing is throwing a switch, so to speak, then it's still wrong, but not vandalism. If they're damaging it so it can't be used, it is vandalism. If they're removing a part and taking it away, then it's theft.

Bell · 28th July 2010, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Mister Earl

I'm not familiar enough with the shutoff system. I see them using a screwdriver, but are they actually removing it, or disabling it via a mechanism intended for that purpose? I.E., if all they are doing is throwing a switch, so to speak, then it's still wrong, but not vandalism. If they're damaging it so it can't be used, it is vandalism. If they're removing a part and taking it away, then it's theft.

http://twitpic.com/292x0b

luchog · 29th July 2010, 03:57 AM

Originally Posted by Xephyr

Prior to commiting their ~~crime~~ protest, did they bathe in their backyard rain-water collection tub... or did they shower in their personal bathroom's locally pumped in water supply ?

That criticism would only be valid if they actually did bathe. My (downwind) experience says otherwise.

Soapy Sam · 30th July 2010, 12:17 AM

My instinct and experience tells me that any unauthorised person screwing with safety switches on fuel lines in a city is not doing something altruistic.
A very swift boot up the arse seems to be in order

Ziggurat · 30th July 2010, 04:11 AM

Originally Posted by Cain

I don't want to come off as anti-vandalism though.

God forbid.

Quote:

Private property destruction can be cool

So can doing crack, bustin' caps, and pimping ho's. What's "cool" is frequently not what's right.

Quote:

it has a place. In the above case, my friend profited from his activity, which is a big no-no.

That's the primary reason your friend does it. But beyond his self-serving rationalizations, why would it be a good thing if he just went out and burned all those books he stole? Is he really so hopelessly stupid as to think that hurting a corporation magically does good? Are you so hopelessly stupid?

And have you considered getting a better class of friends?

KoihimeNakamura · 30th July 2010, 07:03 AM

Real cool. I mean it's not like the employees have to deal with that.

[/sarcasm]

Cicero · 30th July 2010, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Bell

BP doesn't have a good track record of getting things shut down.

They did shut down Tony Hayward.

Did shut down those who thought POTUS Obama was Superman.

Did shut down the leak, finally.

Cicero · 30th July 2010, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Cain

I support this **** more when it comes to animal rights violations, which I suppose is related to the BP oil spill.

Do you think your avatar cat feels violated?

27th July 2010, 04:00 AM	#1
kevinquinnyo Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Athens, GA, USA Posts: 1,584	Greenpeace "shuts down" BP stations in London Greenpeace ~~shuts down~~ childishly vandalizes a few BP gas station/convenience stores in London: http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/index.html They are calling for a "tough new law against dirty gas." Speaking of laws...

27th July 2010, 04:14 AM	#3
Aepervius Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bierland. I mean , germany. Posts: 7,761	I am about to tout old law on vandalism here...
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27th July 2010, 05:17 AM	#4
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27th July 2010, 06:59 AM	#7
richardm Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,270	Originally Posted by Tricky Yeah, let's cause a big explosion at a petrol station. That will show them not to let another explosion... um... hang on. They turned the pump isolation switches off then disconnected them so that they couldn't be switched back on. It's not very nice, but it's not likely to cause an explosion; it's not as though they were unfastening pipes or anything.
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27th July 2010, 08:22 AM	#8
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961	Originally Posted by kevinquinnyo Greenpeace ~~shuts down~~ childishly vandalizes a few BP gas station/convenience stores in London: http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/index.html They are calling for a "tough new law against dirty gas." Speaking of laws... Greenpeace = childish and I am very pro:environment.
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27th July 2010, 04:06 AM	#2
kevinquinnyo Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Athens, GA, USA Posts: 1,584	http://twitpic.com/photos/greenpeaceuk Photo chronicle of the vandalism. Aren't those the emergency shut off valves they are removing? That's not cool. For some reason, part of me says they only did this to one or two, and the rest is just a big PR stunt. Either way, Greenpeace is a joke.

27th July 2010, 05:33 AM	#5
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,371	Yeah, let's cause a big explosion at a petrol station. That will show them not to let another explosion... um... hang on.

27th July 2010, 06:47 AM	#6
Arisia Muse Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: 495 & MassPike, MA Posts: 584	I have noticed that the local BP stations are very quiet these days, sad for the local station that switched from Gulf to BP about six months ago (I think, I know it's been less than a year). A bit of misplaced punishment, but at least it's average consumers speaking with their wallets, rather than 'activists' with vandalism.

27th July 2010, 08:24 AM	#9
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961	Originally Posted by richardm They turned the pump isolation switches off then disconnected them so that they couldn't be switched back on. It's not very nice, but it's not likely to cause an explosion; it's not as though they were unfastening pipes or anything. Frankly, it would not bother me at all if there was an explosion while they were playing in their little sandbox.
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27th July 2010, 09:01 AM	#10
Psi Baba Homo Skepticalis Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Occupying my barstool Posts: 3,183	Originally Posted by Arisia I have noticed that the local BP stations are very quiet these days, sad for the local station that switched from Gulf to BP about six months ago (I think, I know it's been less than a year). A bit of misplaced punishment, but at least it's average consumers speaking with their wallets, rather than 'activists' with vandalism. The thing to do would be to patronize the mini-mart, but just not purchase gasoline. We're always told that the owners of gas stations don't make any money on gas anyway, and only on what they sell in the stores. If that's true (I've yet to see any real evidence of it), then just don't buy the gas, but spend money in the mini-mart.
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27th July 2010, 09:17 AM	#11
Mister Earl Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,138	I've got no love for Greenpeace (and peta), but I'm not seeing vandalism here. Shutting off the pumps aside, all they are doing is putting up signs. From what everyone made it sounds like, I had the impression they were going into the marts and trashing everything. Signs are a minor thing.

27th July 2010, 09:34 AM	#12
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tarrytown, NY Posts: 26,432	Originally Posted by Psi Baba The thing to do would be to patronize the mini-mart, but just not purchase gasoline. We're always told that the owners of gas stations don't make any money on gas anyway, and only on what they sell in the stores. If that's true (I've yet to see any real evidence of it), then just don't buy the gas, but spend money in the mini-mart. The thing is it doesn't really matter if you buy the gas there, if you don't they can just sell it, gas is a fungible commodity after all. Hell they might well not be getting the same gas out of a pipeline that the put into it. They might put 1000 barrels in at one end and get 1000 barrels out at the other, but it might well not be the same 1000 barrels.
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27th July 2010, 11:14 AM	#13
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,836	More idiocy from Greenpeace. What gets to me is how stupid this is as a way of getting your message across. They are a lot like PETA in that regard.

27th July 2010, 12:24 PM	#14
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Third in line Posts: 14,887	Originally Posted by Mister Earl I've got no love for Greenpeace (and peta), but I'm not seeing vandalism here. Shutting off the pumps aside, all they are doing is putting up signs. From what everyone made it sounds like, I had the impression they were going into the marts and trashing everything. Signs are a minor thing. Yeah, BP must be a dodgy operation if hanging a fake closed sign in front of one is all it takes to put one "out of service".
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27th July 2010, 12:29 PM	#15
AvalonXQ Guest Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 11,853	So, now Greanpeace is organizing criminal acts? How disgusting! Here's hoping BP sues the organization for every dime they have, shutting them down for good.
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27th July 2010, 12:32 PM	#16
Bell beautiful freak Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 20,486	Originally Posted by AvalonXQ So, now Greanpeace is organizing criminal acts? How disgusting! Here's hoping BP sues the organization for every dime they have, shutting them down for good. BP doesn't have a good track record of getting things shut down.
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27th July 2010, 12:56 PM	#17
uk_dave Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,866	Originally Posted by Bell BP doesn't have a good track record of getting things shut down. So sharp!
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27th July 2010, 01:56 PM	#18
KoihimeNakamura Creativity Murderer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Graham, WA Posts: 6,862	... S... [rule10] them. THEY don't hve to explain to customers why the station can't pump!
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27th July 2010, 02:03 PM	#19
George152 Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hamilton New Zealand Posts: 2,043	Originally Posted by Bell BP doesn't have a good track record of getting things shut down. They should have let the US government handle the leak. Saturday Quarterbacks always know more than the experts
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27th July 2010, 02:14 PM	#20
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27th July 2010, 02:37 PM	#21
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,096	Originally Posted by George152 They should have let the US government handle the leak. Saturday Quarterbacks always know more than the experts Uh, that's Monday morning quarterbacks, because the NFL plays (usually) on Sundays. Saturday is when college football teams play (usually). /free lesson to foreigners

27th July 2010, 02:38 PM	#22
Cleon King of the Pod People Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 20,534	Originally Posted by WildCat Uh, that's Monday morning quarterbacks, because the NFL plays (usually) on Sundays. Saturday is when college football teams play (usually). /free lesson to foreigners Well, it's a sticker wicket.
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27th July 2010, 02:51 PM	#23
AvalonXQ Guest Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 11,853	I prefer the term "armchair quarterbacks" myself, since it applies to folks even while a disaster is ongoing.
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28th July 2010, 03:10 AM	#24
Soapy Sam NLH Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 25,885	What next? Hit the emergency stop switch on a London Underground escalator during rush hour? The underground uses all sorts of BP products. The people Greenpeace need to get their message across to are not the energy producers, but the consumers. Us. Had all the oil and gas from the Macondo well been successfully produced and pumped ashore, how many people would have boycotted it then? How many of those criticising BP now would have happily burned it taking their kids to school? On balance, did BP actually do the world a favour by diumping it in the ocean?
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28th July 2010, 04:18 AM	#25
Harpo Muse Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: England's Green & Pleasant Land Posts: 881	Originally Posted by Mister Earl .....but I'm not seeing vandalism here. Shutting off the pumps aside, all they are doing is putting up signs....blah So the photographs of activists using screwdrivers to remove the emergency shut off valve levers isn't proof of them commiting multiple acts of vandalism? Putting up signs isn't all they're doing!!
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28th July 2010, 08:46 AM	#26
Xephyr Muse Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 856	I wonder if these Greenpeace ~~hooligans~~ activists walked to the BP station... or did they drive there ? Were they wearing hand-woven hemp cloth clothing and footwear... or were they wearing mass-produced jeans, t-shirt, and running shoes with rubber soles ? Prior to commiting their ~~crime~~ protest, did they bathe in their backyard rain-water collection tub... or did they shower in their personal bathroom's locally pumped in water supply ? Speaking of showering... Did they shampoo their hair with a hand-made bar of soap... or did they use mass-produced shampoo in a plastic bottle ? After they finished ~~vandalizing~~ getting their point across, did they walk to their local pub and celebrate with an organically produced hand-carved wooden cup of carrot juice... or did they have a mass-produced dark lager poured into a factory made drinking glass ? Did they then peddle their bikes over to the local Greenpeace headquarters to announce the news of their ~~damage~~ victory to their local brethren... or did they jump onto their plastic computers and send off a mass e-mail ? Just wondering...
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28th July 2010, 09:31 AM	#27
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28th July 2010, 09:55 AM	#28
Xephyr Muse Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 856	Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer Where is the owner of the station? I'd be out there removing the ladder. "Ooops, I didn't realize you were up there!" Well let's hope they at least used a hand-made hemp rope ladder, and not one of those factory manufactured metal ones that you can pick up at your local hardware store...
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28th July 2010, 10:01 AM	#29
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,096	Originally Posted by Xephyr Prior to commiting their ~~crime~~ protest, did they bathe in their backyard rain-water collection tub... or did they shower in their personal bathroom's locally pumped in water supply ? Speaking of showering... Did they shampoo their hair with a hand-made bar of soap... or did they use mass-produced shampoo in a plastic bottle ? Uh, these were Greenpeace activists... odds of any sort of bathing are remote.

28th July 2010, 10:07 AM	#30
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28th July 2010, 10:11 AM	#31
Cain Straussian Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,938	I don't want to come off as anti-vandalism though. Private property destruction can be cool; it has a place. In the above case, my friend profited from his activity, which is a big no-no. I support this ** more when it comes to animal rights violations, which I suppose is related to the BP oil spill. It serves as a kind of cruelty tax. **'em.
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28th July 2010, 10:15 AM	#32
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,575	Originally Posted by Xephyr I wonder if these Greenpeace ~~hooligans~~ activists walked to the BP station... or did they drive there ? It's london so I doubt they drove.

28th July 2010, 10:19 AM	#33
Mister Earl Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,138	Originally Posted by Harpo So the photographs of activists using screwdrivers to remove the emergency shut off valve levers isn't proof of them commiting multiple acts of vandalism? Putting up signs isn't all they're doing!! I'm not familiar enough with the shutoff system. I see them using a screwdriver, but are they actually removing it, or disabling it via a mechanism intended for that purpose? I.E., if all they are doing is throwing a switch, so to speak, then it's still wrong, but not vandalism. If they're damaging it so it can't be used, it is vandalism. If they're removing a part and taking it away, then it's theft.

28th July 2010, 10:31 AM	#34
Bell beautiful freak Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 20,486	Originally Posted by Mister Earl I'm not familiar enough with the shutoff system. I see them using a screwdriver, but are they actually removing it, or disabling it via a mechanism intended for that purpose? I.E., if all they are doing is throwing a switch, so to speak, then it's still wrong, but not vandalism. If they're damaging it so it can't be used, it is vandalism. If they're removing a part and taking it away, then it's theft. http://twitpic.com/292x0b
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29th July 2010, 03:57 AM	#35
luchog Neo-Post-Retro-Revivalist Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Emerald City Posts: 7,958	Originally Posted by Xephyr Prior to commiting their ~~crime~~ protest, did they bathe in their backyard rain-water collection tub... or did they shower in their personal bathroom's locally pumped in water supply ? That criticism would only be valid if they actually did bathe. My (downwind) experience says otherwise.
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