Wikileaks damage to alternative 9/11 theories - Page 3

funk de fino · 11th August 2010, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by paloalto

See DE #939, entered into the Moussaoui trial on March 11, 2006, which has email from former CIA Deputy Chief of the CIA Bin Laden unit , Tom Wilshire, back to his CIA CTC managers, Richard Blee, Head of the CIA Bin Laden unit, Cofer Black head of the CIA CTC unit and likely George Tenet, on July 23, 2001. This email said that Khalid al-Mihdhar would be found at the point of the next big al Qaeda attack. Wilshire in the DOJ IG report had also already stated in his July 5, 2001 email back to his CIA CTC managers that the he thought the people at the Kuala Lumpur meeting were connected to the warnings the CIA and FBI had been receiving since April 2001 of a huge al Qaeda attack aimed at the United States. These people would have been Mihdhar and Hazmi. Wilshire, as did the CIA already knew Hazmi had a US visa and was inside of the US, and knew Mihdhar had a US multi-entry visa.

According DE 939, Wilshire was not given permission to his two requests on July 13, 2001, and July 23, 2001 to turn the information on Kuala Lumpur meeting over to the FBI Cole bombing investigators, even though his CIA managers, Richard Blee and Cofer Black along with George Tenet were holding an urgent meeting, on July 10, 2001, with Rice and Clark in the White house warning Rice and Clark that the al Qaeda terrorists were planning an attack inside of the US that would kill thousands of Americans. see State of Denial by Bob Woodward. On July 17, Blee, Black and Tenet gave the same warning to Ashcroft, and Rumsfeld. Whatever the warning, Ashcroft quite flying commercial aircraft on AJ business on July 26, 2001 due to some still unexplained threat from the FBI?

Less than one month after his July 23, 2001 email back to Blee and Black indicating that Mihdhar would be found at the location of the next big al Qaeda attack, on August 22, 2001 FBI Agent Margret Gillespie, aka Mary, working at the CIA Bin Laden unit tells FBI HQ Agent Dina Corsi and CIA officer Tom Wilshire, working at that time as the FBI ITOS Deputy Chief, that the INS had discovered both Mihdhar and Hazmi inside of the US. It is clear that Wilshire and most likely Corsi know that that point that both Mihdhar and Hazmi are inside of the US to take part in the al Qaeda attack they are aware of that will kill thousands of Americans. It is clear that neither Corsi nor Wilshire raised any alarms with anyone at the FBI that was in a position to stop this attack. Instead they work together to shut down the only investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi that could have prevented this attack. See description of DE 061/062 below.

On August 23, 2001 Gillespie had the CIA Bin Laden unit send out an alert for Mihdhar and Hazmi, and indicated that these al Qaeda terrorists are inside of the US. At that point anyone at the CIA who had received Wilshire’s July 23, 2001 and July 5, 2001 email, or who were aware of the massive warnings of an al Qaeda attack inside of the US would also know that al Qaeda terrorists Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US to carry out the al Qaeda attacks the CIA and FBI HQ had been warned about since April 2001.

See the following webs sites; http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notable...aoui/exhibits/ and www.eventson911.com.

In addition to DE 939, the most chilling of these is DE-0681 and DE 0682. In DE 681/682, FBI HQ IOS Agent Dina Corsi tells Bongardt on August 28, 2001, that he and his team must shut down any investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi because the information came from intelligence through the NSA. But on August 27, 2001 the day before, the NSA had already given Corsi written permission to give all of this NSA information to the criminal investigators on the Cole bombing investigation, see DE-0448 for this actual release from the NSA.
Corsi also tells Bongardt on August 29, 2001 that a NSLU attorney had ruled that Bongardt and his team could have no part in the investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi but per Sherry Sabol’s testimony to DOJ IG investigators, on November 7, 2002, in the DOJ IG report, it is clear that Sabol, the NSLU attorney Corsi had contacted, had ruled in fact just the opposite and had ruled that Bongardt and his team could be part of any investigation and search for of Mihdhar since the NSA information had no connection to any FISA warrant.

This was the exact argument that FBI Agent Steve Bongardt had raised when he asked Corsi on August 28, 2001 to get a legal ruling from the NSLU, the FBI legal unit, to see if he could investigate and search for Mihdhar and Hazmi. Bongardt even tells Corsi on August 29, 2001 as she is shutting down his investigation, that these terrorists are inside of the US to carry out yet another horrific al Qaeda terrorist attack, and people will die because of this ruling. See testimony of Sherry Sabol, aka Sherry S. 9/11 Commission report page 538, footnote 81.

Corsi also never tells Bongardt as she is shutting down his investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi that she is aware that the CIA had been deliberately hiding the photograph of Walid Bin Attash, mastermind of the Cole bombing, taken at Kuala Lumpur, from him and his Cole bombing investigating team, a photograph that directly connects both Mihdhar and Hazmi, who were at the same meeting, to the planning of the Cole bombing, see page 302 DOJ IG report.

How can you be so detailed yet miss the glaring point?

Whoosh indeed.

paloalto · 11th August 2010, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by paloalto
While warnings of the attacks on 9/11 had been given to both the FBI HQ and the CIA since April 2001, both agencies knew on August 22, 2001 when both Mihdhar and Hazmi were discovered inside of the US, that these al Qaeda terrorists were inside of the US only in order to take part in the massive al Qaeda attack these agencies had been warned would kill thousands of Americans. This knowledge and the fact that the FBI HQ working with the CIA shut down the only investigation of these terrorists that could have prevented the attacks on 9/11, even when these agencies knew shutting down this investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi by FBI Agent Steve Bongardt and his Cole bombing investigators, would result in the deaths of thousands of Americans, has never been explained!
This is incorrect. Not only that but it has been explained. You're just being willfully ignorant.

Great then exactly what is the explanation of why the FBI HQ working with the CIA shut down the only investigation of these terrorists that could have prevented the attacks on 9/11, even when these agencies knew shutting down this investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi by FBI Agent Steve Bongardt and his Cole bombing investigators, would result in the deaths of thousands of Americans.

paloalto · 11th August 2010, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by funk de fino

How can you be so detailed yet miss the glaring point?

Whoosh indeed.

Maybe you can enlighten us on exactly what glaring point was missed, PLEASE!

Furcifer · 11th August 2010, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by paloalto

Great then exactly what is the explanation of why the FBI HQ working with the CIA shut down the only investigation of these terrorists that could have prevented the attacks on 9/11, even when these agencies knew shutting down this investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi by FBI Agent Steve Bongardt and his Cole bombing investigators, would result in the deaths of thousands of Americans.

They didn't "know", they suspected. But that's what there job is to do. At any given point the NSA probably has thousands of "suspects" based on their intelligence.

In fact, right now if you put enough trigger words in a post or email it's possible you could become a suspect. That doesn't give the FBI or CIA the right to pull you out of bed and bring you in for questioning. And at the time it didn't give the CIA the authority to share intelligence with the FBI.

What you don't understand is the LAW. (I know I don't)

The law was in place at the time that prevented them from sharing intelligence. The law is there for a good reason and it has to be followed. Sometimes the law lets murders go free, sometimes it lets terrorists complete their plans. It's not a perfect system, but it's better than Anarchy.

TruthersLie · 11th August 2010, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by paloalto

Maybe you can enlighten us on exactly what glaring point was missed, PLEASE!

You have been pointed to three very indepth books which detail what was known, who knew it, and how it was flubbed.

I know that the library you are posting from either has them or can get them for you.

Spying Blind.
the Secrets Factory
and
The looming Tower.

Go and educate yourself.

JihadJane · 12th August 2010, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by aggle-rithm

I don't, because there aren't any.

Unless you have some...?

No...?

That's OK, I hadn't gotten my hopes up.

Why are you participating in this thread, then?

11th August 2010, 03:16 PM	#81
funk de fino Dreaming of unicorns Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Alba Posts: 10,790	Originally Posted by paloalto See DE #939, entered into the Moussaoui trial on March 11, 2006, which has email from former CIA Deputy Chief of the CIA Bin Laden unit , Tom Wilshire, back to his CIA CTC managers, Richard Blee, Head of the CIA Bin Laden unit, Cofer Black head of the CIA CTC unit and likely George Tenet, on July 23, 2001. This email said that Khalid al-Mihdhar would be found at the point of the next big al Qaeda attack. Wilshire in the DOJ IG report had also already stated in his July 5, 2001 email back to his CIA CTC managers that the he thought the people at the Kuala Lumpur meeting were connected to the warnings the CIA and FBI had been receiving since April 2001 of a huge al Qaeda attack aimed at the United States. These people would have been Mihdhar and Hazmi. Wilshire, as did the CIA already knew Hazmi had a US visa and was inside of the US, and knew Mihdhar had a US multi-entry visa. According DE 939, Wilshire was not given permission to his two requests on July 13, 2001, and July 23, 2001 to turn the information on Kuala Lumpur meeting over to the FBI Cole bombing investigators, even though his CIA managers, Richard Blee and Cofer Black along with George Tenet were holding an urgent meeting, on July 10, 2001, with Rice and Clark in the White house warning Rice and Clark that the al Qaeda terrorists were planning an attack inside of the US that would kill thousands of Americans. see State of Denial by Bob Woodward. On July 17, Blee, Black and Tenet gave the same warning to Ashcroft, and Rumsfeld. Whatever the warning, Ashcroft quite flying commercial aircraft on AJ business on July 26, 2001 due to some still unexplained threat from the FBI? Less than one month after his July 23, 2001 email back to Blee and Black indicating that Mihdhar would be found at the location of the next big al Qaeda attack, on August 22, 2001 FBI Agent Margret Gillespie, aka Mary, working at the CIA Bin Laden unit tells FBI HQ Agent Dina Corsi and CIA officer Tom Wilshire, working at that time as the FBI ITOS Deputy Chief, that the INS had discovered both Mihdhar and Hazmi inside of the US. It is clear that Wilshire and most likely Corsi know that that point that both Mihdhar and Hazmi are inside of the US to take part in the al Qaeda attack they are aware of that will kill thousands of Americans. It is clear that neither Corsi nor Wilshire raised any alarms with anyone at the FBI that was in a position to stop this attack. Instead they work together to shut down the only investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi that could have prevented this attack. See description of DE 061/062 below. On August 23, 2001 Gillespie had the CIA Bin Laden unit send out an alert for Mihdhar and Hazmi, and indicated that these al Qaeda terrorists are inside of the US. At that point anyone at the CIA who had received Wilshire’s July 23, 2001 and July 5, 2001 email, or who were aware of the massive warnings of an al Qaeda attack inside of the US would also know that al Qaeda terrorists Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US to carry out the al Qaeda attacks the CIA and FBI HQ had been warned about since April 2001. See the following webs sites; http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notable...aoui/exhibits/ and www.eventson911.com. In addition to DE 939, the most chilling of these is DE-0681 and DE 0682. In DE 681/682, FBI HQ IOS Agent Dina Corsi tells Bongardt on August 28, 2001, that he and his team must shut down any investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi because the information came from intelligence through the NSA. But on August 27, 2001 the day before, the NSA had already given Corsi written permission to give all of this NSA information to the criminal investigators on the Cole bombing investigation, see DE-0448 for this actual release from the NSA. Corsi also tells Bongardt on August 29, 2001 that a NSLU attorney had ruled that Bongardt and his team could have no part in the investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi but per Sherry Sabol’s testimony to DOJ IG investigators, on November 7, 2002, in the DOJ IG report, it is clear that Sabol, the NSLU attorney Corsi had contacted, had ruled in fact just the opposite and had ruled that Bongardt and his team could be part of any investigation and search for of Mihdhar since the NSA information had no connection to any FISA warrant. This was the exact argument that FBI Agent Steve Bongardt had raised when he asked Corsi on August 28, 2001 to get a legal ruling from the NSLU, the FBI legal unit, to see if he could investigate and search for Mihdhar and Hazmi. Bongardt even tells Corsi on August 29, 2001 as she is shutting down his investigation, that these terrorists are inside of the US to carry out yet another horrific al Qaeda terrorist attack, and people will die because of this ruling. See testimony of Sherry Sabol, aka Sherry S. 9/11 Commission report page 538, footnote 81. Corsi also never tells Bongardt as she is shutting down his investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi that she is aware that the CIA had been deliberately hiding the photograph of Walid Bin Attash, mastermind of the Cole bombing, taken at Kuala Lumpur, from him and his Cole bombing investigating team, a photograph that directly connects both Mihdhar and Hazmi, who were at the same meeting, to the planning of the Cole bombing, see page 302 DOJ IG report. How can you be so detailed yet miss the glaring point? Whoosh indeed.
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11th August 2010, 04:40 PM	#82
paloalto Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 348	Quote: Originally Posted by paloalto While warnings of the attacks on 9/11 had been given to both the FBI HQ and the CIA since April 2001, both agencies knew on August 22, 2001 when both Mihdhar and Hazmi were discovered inside of the US, that these al Qaeda terrorists were inside of the US only in order to take part in the massive al Qaeda attack these agencies had been warned would kill thousands of Americans. This knowledge and the fact that the FBI HQ working with the CIA shut down the only investigation of these terrorists that could have prevented the attacks on 9/11, even when these agencies knew shutting down this investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi by FBI Agent Steve Bongardt and his Cole bombing investigators, would result in the deaths of thousands of Americans, has never been explained! This is incorrect. Not only that but it has been explained. You're just being willfully ignorant. Great then exactly what is the explanation of why the FBI HQ working with the CIA shut down the only investigation of these terrorists that could have prevented the attacks on 9/11, even when these agencies knew shutting down this investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi by FBI Agent Steve Bongardt and his Cole bombing investigators, would result in the deaths of thousands of Americans.
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11th August 2010, 04:43 PM	#83
paloalto Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 348	Originally Posted by funk de fino How can you be so detailed yet miss the glaring point? Whoosh indeed. Maybe you can enlighten us on exactly what glaring point was missed, PLEASE!
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11th August 2010, 11:08 PM	#85
TruthersLie This space for rent. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates Posts: 3,720	Originally Posted by paloalto Maybe you can enlighten us on exactly what glaring point was missed, PLEASE! You have been pointed to three very indepth books which detail what was known, who knew it, and how it was flubbed. I know that the library you are posting from either has them or can get them for you. Spying Blind. the Secrets Factory and The looming Tower. Go and educate yourself.
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12th August 2010, 02:29 AM	#86
JihadJane Penultimate Satisfaction Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 42,728	Originally Posted by aggle-rithm I don't, because there aren't any. Unless you have some...? No...? That's OK, I hadn't gotten my hopes up. Why are you participating in this thread, then?
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11th August 2010, 06:43 PM	#84
Furcifer miscreant Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: hohm Posts: 13,379	Originally Posted by paloalto Great then exactly what is the explanation of why the FBI HQ working with the CIA shut down the only investigation of these terrorists that could have prevented the attacks on 9/11, even when these agencies knew shutting down this investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi by FBI Agent Steve Bongardt and his Cole bombing investigators, would result in the deaths of thousands of Americans. They didn't "know", they suspected. But that's what there job is to do. At any given point the NSA probably has thousands of "suspects" based on their intelligence. In fact, right now if you put enough trigger words in a post or email it's possible you could become a suspect. That doesn't give the FBI or CIA the right to pull you out of bed and bring you in for questioning. And at the time it didn't give the CIA the authority to share intelligence with the FBI. What you don't understand is the LAW. (I know I don't) The law was in place at the time that prevented them from sharing intelligence. The law is there for a good reason and it has to be followed. Sometimes the law lets murders go free, sometimes it lets terrorists complete their plans. It's not a perfect system, but it's better than Anarchy.