What nearly punched a hole in this Japanese oil tanker?

Accidental Martyr · 30th July 2010, 12:25 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot...ese-oil-tanker

A Japanese oil tanker suffered....something Wednesday in the Strait of Hormuz.

T.A.M. · 30th July 2010, 12:29 PM

A collision with a small borg ship?

TAM

Aitch · 30th July 2010, 12:45 PM

Superman?

AvalonXQ · 30th July 2010, 12:53 PM

Replicators.

KingMerv00 · 30th July 2010, 12:56 PM

Ice cube right ahead!

Accidental Martyr · 30th July 2010, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Aitch

Superman?

Come on, get serious. Superman would have punched a hole completely through the ship!

BenBurch · 30th July 2010, 01:17 PM

An old mine is the most likely candidate.

Aepervius · 30th July 2010, 01:59 PM

A whale ?

Ziggurat · 30th July 2010, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

An old mine is the most likely candidate.

If the details in that link are correct, that seems unlikely to me. They said the dent extended from the waterline up. A mine should have caused the dent primarily below the waterline, shouldn't it? I'm going with terrorist attack if the Japanese crew are telling the truth, collision if they aren't.

blutoski · 30th July 2010, 02:02 PM

The cavitation is above the current waterline... was the ship emptied since the incident, or did it have the same draught as in the photo?

If it was the same draught, it really looks like it was struck above the waterline, which strongly suggests a slow-speed collision with a relatively big boat or buoy.

"The crew reported no collision." - well, of course not... they'd get fired.

kalen · 30th July 2010, 03:28 PM

You should see the other guy.

Seriously, there should be some evidence of what caused this still on the ship. If it was an explosion, there would be residue. If it was a collision, there should be paint chips, or scratches, or DNA, or something...

dasmiller · 30th July 2010, 03:49 PM

I'm thinking collision with another ship, maybe a sideswipe or a glancing blow. Notice how the paint looks like it's scraped off over the ribs? An explosion wouldn't do that, but I'd think a collision would.

I suspect that it's actually pretty tricky to get an explosion that will stove in the skin over a large area without rupturing it.

Dancing David · 30th July 2010, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by Aepervius

A whale ?

Moby Duck!

(The Great White Mallard!)

Dancing David · 30th July 2010, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by dasmiller

I'm thinking collision with another ship, maybe a sideswipe or a glancing blow. Notice how the paint looks like it's scraped off over the ribs? An explosion wouldn't do that, but I'd think a collision would.

I suspect that it's actually pretty tricky to get an explosion that will stove in the skin over a large area without rupturing it.

Bingo!

It looks like a collision, but I am not a structural person, would a focused explosion make such a rectangular pattern?

geni · 30th July 2010, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Dancing David

Bingo!

It looks like a collision, but I am not a structural person, would a focused explosion make such a rectangular pattern?

The shape is due to the struts that support the skin.

Mike! · 30th July 2010, 04:32 PM

Al Gore banged his head against it, several times.

noreligion · 30th July 2010, 05:53 PM

The son of Godzilla

wendyinthewind · 30th July 2010, 06:04 PM

Chuck Norris

BenBurch · 30th July 2010, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

If the details in that link are correct, that seems unlikely to me. They said the dent extended from the waterline up. A mine should have caused the dent primarily below the waterline, shouldn't it? I'm going with terrorist attack if the Japanese crew are telling the truth, collision if they aren't.

A floating mine would not cause much below the waterline. The energy would "want" to escape the easiest way possible and that is into the less-dense air.

noreligion · 30th July 2010, 07:10 PM

What about that small iceberg floating around in the straight of Hormuz? Or possibly the Romaine?

Halfcentaur · 30th July 2010, 07:18 PM

MOnsters!

casebro · 30th July 2010, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by noreligion

What about that small iceberg floating around in the straight of Hormuz? Or possibly the Romaine?

Arugula would be a bitter pill fo the captain to swallow.

TSR · 30th July 2010, 07:55 PM

.
Okay, I did it.

But that tanker had it coming -- it insulted my mother.
.

Ysidro · 30th July 2010, 08:03 PM

Either Cthulhu is sleepwalking or Spongebob is bigger than we thought!

Furcifer · 30th July 2010, 08:14 PM

What's the plural of Kraken? That.

TSR · 30th July 2010, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by 3bodyproblem

What's the plural of Kraken? That.

.
"Lisa"

Always blame Lisa.
.

Soapy Sam · 30th July 2010, 08:26 PM

My guess is a harbour wall.

There's no sign of paint scraping or gouging, so if it was a collision with something, either it was moving at the same speed as the tanker, or the tanker was stationary.
The square shape is just an artifact of the welded structure of panels.
The damage is near the stern. Nearly every time I've seen impacted panel damage near the rear of a ship, it's been because , while manoevring on thrusters, they smacked into a wall or other fixed structure.

In short, I suspect they did it themselves, possibly long before reaching the Strait of Hormuz.

luchog · 31st July 2010, 02:00 AM

Sharks with frikkin' laser beams.

Aepervius · 31st July 2010, 02:50 AM

It was gamora. AS this thread from Edge shows.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=181581

Dancing David · 31st July 2010, 03:57 AM

Originally Posted by geni

The shape is due to the struts that support the skin.

That is what I figured, is the strength of materials why it seems to end line above the water line?

Wolrab · 31st July 2010, 04:25 AM

As a graduate of the Anders Bjorkman School of Maritime Physics, I can definitively say that another tanker was dropped on the ship from a height of two miles.

Hallo Alfie · 31st July 2010, 04:31 AM

Global warming.

bit_pattern · 31st July 2010, 04:35 AM

It was da groupthink dat done it!

Hallo Alfie · 31st July 2010, 05:21 AM

Coulda been a queue of asylum seeker boats.

noreligion · 31st July 2010, 05:28 AM

Could have been an angry Bruce Banner.

Hallo Alfie · 31st July 2010, 05:32 AM

Pentagon plane parts?

Furcifer · 31st July 2010, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Wolrab

As a graduate of the Anders Bjorkman School of Maritime Physics, I can definitively say that another tanker was dropped on the ship from a height of two miles.

It's clearly in the shape of a pizza box.

wendyinthewind · 31st July 2010, 10:26 AM

Bigfoot, obviously.

jhunter1163 · 31st July 2010, 10:35 AM

Blimps.

Mikemcc · 31st July 2010, 10:44 AM

A need to cover up poor piloting to the ships owners...?

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Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 26,224	Originally Posted by BenBurch An old mine is the most likely candidate. If the details in that link are correct, that seems unlikely to me. They said the dent extended from the waterline up. A mine should have caused the dent primarily below the waterline, shouldn't it? I'm going with terrorist attack if the Japanese crew are telling the truth, collision if they aren't.
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blutoski Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 5,993	The cavitation is above the current waterline... was the ship emptied since the incident, or did it have the same draught as in the photo? If it was the same draught, it really looks like it was struck above the waterline, which strongly suggests a slow-speed collision with a relatively big boat or buoy. "The crew reported no collision." - well, of course not... they'd get fired.
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Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,738	Originally Posted by dasmiller I'm thinking collision with another ship, maybe a sideswipe or a glancing blow. Notice how the paint looks like it's scraped off over the ribs? An explosion wouldn't do that, but I'd think a collision would. I suspect that it's actually pretty tricky to get an explosion that will stove in the skin over a large area without rupturing it. Bingo! It looks like a collision, but I am not a structural person, would a focused explosion make such a rectangular pattern?
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BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,222	Originally Posted by Ziggurat If the details in that link are correct, that seems unlikely to me. They said the dent extended from the waterline up. A mine should have caused the dent primarily below the waterline, shouldn't it? I'm going with terrorist attack if the Japanese crew are telling the truth, collision if they aren't. A floating mine would not cause much below the waterline. The energy would "want" to escape the easiest way possible and that is into the less-dense air.
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Soapy Sam NLH Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 25,885	My guess is a harbour wall. There's no sign of paint scraping or gouging, so if it was a collision with something, either it was moving at the same speed as the tanker, or the tanker was stationary. The square shape is just an artifact of the welded structure of panels. The damage is near the stern. Nearly every time I've seen impacted panel damage near the rear of a ship, it's been because , while manoevring on thrusters, they smacked into a wall or other fixed structure. In short, I suspect they did it themselves, possibly long before reaching the Strait of Hormuz.
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