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Old 5th August 2010, 09:42 AM   #1
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Wristwatch Damaged by Heat at Stonehenge?

I recently visited Stonehenge and was told by the tour guide, Steve Evans (http://steve-tourguide.com) that a few weeks ago his rather expensive watch stopped working there as he conducted an "inner circle" tour (walking among the stones -- not permitted on most tours). He says that he sent the watch for repairs, and was told that the repair cost would be 170 pounds (about 210 Euros or 275 American dollars), as the internal parts of the watch had been damaged by heat. He claims to be a skeptic about the paranormal, but says that he is unable to account for how his watch could have been damaged by heat.
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Heat=evaporation=moisture?
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Maybe he was telling what he though made for an interesting story so that you would recommend him to your friends?
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Maybe he's lying his wristwatch off.
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I suspect he's been telling that story for as long as he's been a tour guide.
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So the watch was damaged by heat but his wrist wasn't scorched?
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Old 5th August 2010, 10:22 AM   #7
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Maybe he left it by the heater the night before and didn't notice it wasn't running when he got up. Or, maybe he's a typical tour guide for a mysterious woo place and knows that spinning a good yarn makes for better tips at the end of the tour. Only the all-knowing spirits of the stones know which it is.
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Dodgy watch repairer?
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Old 5th August 2010, 10:28 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
I recently visited Stonehenge and was told by the tour guide, Steve Evans (http://steve-tourguide.com) that a few weeks ago his rather expensive watch stopped working there as he conducted an "inner circle" tour (walking among the stones -- not permitted on most tours). He says that he sent the watch for repairs, and was told that the repair cost would be 170 pounds (about 210 Euros or 275 American dollars), as the internal parts of the watch had been damaged by heat. He claims to be a skeptic about the paranormal, but says that he is unable to account for how his watch could have been damaged by heat.

Where would a tour guide get an expensive watch?

What kind of heat damage?
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Originally Posted by 3bodyproblem View Post
Heat=evaporation=moisture?
Non sequitur. Evaporation makes something cooler. It's why you sweat.
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How can heat damage the internal parts of a watch, without damaging the rest of it? What evidence is there that any part of the watch was damaged by heat? Did you see the repair bill? £170 for that sort of repair to a quality watch doesn't sound right, it should be a lot more.
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Originally Posted by KingMerv00 View Post
So the watch was damaged by heat but his wrist wasn't scorched?
That explanation is far, far too simple. Must have been fairies.
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Also add that 'expensive' isn't a synonym for 'well made' or 'robust'
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Originally Posted by tsig View Post
What kind of heat damage?
Lasers.

I suspect sharks were inviolved.

Or at least really mean-tempered sea bass
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Lasers.

I suspect sharks were inviolved.

Or at least really mean-tempered sea bass
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unable to account for = paranormal

Mystery solved ...
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Well, typically, there's a lack of information. we don't even know what kind of watch it was do we? What if it was a coal fired watch?

It's quite possible to have some parts of something heat up more than others, or for a watch to heat up internally, and not transmit significant amounts of heat to the wearer. Both electronic and mechanical watches are a mix of insulators and metals of varying conductivity. You only need heat to build up on the wrong side of an insulator and a small amount of heat can do a lot of damage.

If it's an electronic watch, I'd go for a lithium battery short. If it's a mechanical watch, I'd go for it being left out in the sun, such that the face acts as a combination greenhouse and magnifying glass.

There you go, problem solved. Next!
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Tour Guide + Tall tail = gossip and thus generates more punters

Its not paranormal, its just business.
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Originally Posted by WanderingSkeptic View Post
Tour Guide + Tall tail = gossip and thus generates more punters

Its not paranormal, its just business.
I don't think a heat damaged watch is necessarily a tall tale. But lets look at it.... If you are a tour guide in the UK, and you own a watch, then should your watch break, the chances that it'll break at a historic monument are rather high.

I suspect it has a basis in fact, but has been blown up to seem more mysterious than it is.

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A defective, shorted battery would account for the described condition.....
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I love giving guided tours, and I can see why so many tour guides get carried away and end up talking utter tosh. Because most of them do. Some tours of historic sites I've been on have been basically urban myth bingo. It would be fascinating to do a study to see how basically sound scripts morph into palpable arsegravy after just a few years in the re-telling.

The problem is a total lack of critical thought and an emphasis on the sensational. The basic, verifiable facts of even the most amazing site are usually very few. Hence the embellishment. Archaeologist's theories about a place are bad enough (though based on sound evidence) without resorting to folklore or just plain making stuff up.

As for Steve, he's a Blue Badge Guide. The last one I met was at pains to point out to me that telling 'a good story' was a lot more important than 'the facts'. He actually wanted me to weave him a story about the artefact he'd brought in for identification.
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I don't think a heat damaged watch is necessarily a tall tale. But lets look at it.... If you are a tour guide in the UK, and you own a watch, then should your watch break, the chances that it'll break at a historic monument are rather high.

I suspect it has a basis in fact, but has been blown up to seem more mysterious than it is.
Perhaps you are correct ... but its the Stonehenge link that makes me highly suspicious
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Perhaps you are correct ... but its the Stonehenge link that makes me highly suspicious
I bet if his car had broken down within 2 days of visiting stonehenge, that would the story that became embellished instead.

You probably find that's the story he told, until his watch broke, then he just upgraded.
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It's a bit reminiscent of Geller's TV programmes during which viewers' non-working watches suddenly started working.
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Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
I recently visited Stonehenge and was told by the tour guide, Steve Evans (http://steve-tourguide.com) that a few weeks ago his rather expensive watch stopped working there as he conducted an "inner circle" tour (walking among the stones -- not permitted on most tours). He says that he sent the watch for repairs, and was told that the repair cost would be 170 pounds (about 210 Euros or 275 American dollars), as the internal parts of the watch had been damaged by heat. He claims to be a skeptic about the paranormal, but says that he is unable to account for how his watch could have been damaged by heat.
The answer to that is a simple "and?".

Also is there meant to be a link between his watch, some old stones that no one knows what they were used for, how they were used or why they were placed there and the paranormal?
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Nothing for it but that he continue wearing it until it starts back up in some future dive into the inner sanctum.
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Perhaps it's an early symptom of spontaneous human combustion, and he'll be found one morning done to a turn.
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Nothing for it but that he continue wearing it until it starts back up in some future dive into the inner sanctum.
Experience tells me it's best to remove watches and other jewellery before diving into someone's inner sanctum.
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I see by "Britain's Highest Recorded Temperatures for Each Month of the Year, 1875 To 2006" at: http://www.torro.org.uk/TORRO/britwx...s/maxtemps.php

That a high of 35.6C(96.1F) was recorded at Trowbridge, Wiltshire on 2 July 1976.

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If the watch had been heat damaged before and some effect of Stonehenge had repaired it, that might be interesting.
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If the watch had been heat damaged before and some effect of Stonehenge had repaired it, that might be interesting.
But everybody knows that broken watches only repair themselves in Crop Circles.

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Quartz or mechanical watch? LCD or analog (with hands) if quartz? As said above, not nearly enough information.

FYI, figure the cost of a complete service of a high-grade mechanical watch to be roughly ten percent (one tenth) of the purchase price. That's assuming nothing stupid has been done to the watch, like letting it get full of sea water and then letting it sit for a few weeks.

Watches with LCD displays can have a "greenhouse" effect if the display is left facing the full sun on a hot day.

There isn't too much to be heat-damaged in a mechanical watch. Everything inside is either steel, elinvar, brass, or fused aluminum oxide (the friction jeweling). The oils might degrade at high temperature, and the shellac used to secure certain jewels in position might melt or soften, but I can't see any way of having a mechanical watch overheat on a wrist and the owners' hand still be attached to the arm. I mean, you'd notice that amount of heat.

Watches stop all the time for no apparent reason. Either that battery you put in four years ago finally died, or the cologne you wear has finally permeated through the gaskets and turned the lubricating oil to tar (this happens more frequently than you'd think).

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Watches stop all the time for no apparent reason. Either that battery you put in four years ago finally died, or the cologne you wear has finally permeated through the gaskets and turned the lubricating oil to tar (this happens more frequently than you'd think).
...or, the oscillatory sphagnum energy of quantum granitic molecular balance of the spheres producing gravitational hermeticity only found at Stonehenge turns the metal parts to stone.
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Originally Posted by TubbaBlubba View Post
Non sequitur. Evaporation makes something cooler. It's why you sweat.
Even water resistant watches, defined by their ability to withstand about 30m of head, are notoriously bad at getting moisture in them.

So..heat makes you sweat which gets in the watch, sequitor

"Heat damage" isn't exactly the way i would put it, but if repairman was legit he may have glossed over the middle part and said that was the cause. Especially if it was during a heatwave.
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BTW, a lot of so-called "broken" mechanical watches can be magically re-started simply by holding them in your hands for a few minutes. Why? Well, the majority of wind-up watch stoppages are caused by poor or bad lubrication (i.e. the oil has "soured" or thickened to wax). People will put a full wind on the watch, which doesn't run, and they will put it aside. Now, if you hold a watch in your hands, you are doing two things to it: you're warming it (which causes the oils to thin and soften), and you're shaking it (it's impossible to hold a watch perfectly still), which introduces motion and oscillation in the system. In a lot of cases, you will reach a point where the oil gets warm enough where the induced motion causes the wheel train to break free and overcome the blockage.

This doesn't work for most quartz watches, however; just the ones you wind.

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The answer to that is a simple "and?".

Also is there meant to be a link between his watch, some old stones that no one knows what they were used for, how they were used or why they were placed there and the paranormal?
Possibly -- who knows? If the story as related happened to you, what would your reaction be?
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Possibly -- who knows? If the story as related happened to you, what would your reaction be?
Apathy and semi-amusement at being sold a nice tall tale during a vacation.
What was yours?
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