Matthew Simmons (1943 – 2010)

JihadJane · 11th August 2010, 02:42 AM

Investment banker, Member of the Council on Foreign Relations, energy advisor to Bush/Cheney and author of the iconoclastic book Twilight in the Desert: The Coming Saudi Oil Shock and the World Economy has died.

A tribute from a friend, by Michael C. Ruppert:

http://www.collapsenet.com/index.php...ns-1943-–-2010

The Central Scrutinizer · 11th August 2010, 07:05 AM

Who?

paximperium · 11th August 2010, 07:20 AM

Who?

NWO Sentryman · 11th August 2010, 08:30 AM

Sledge · 11th August 2010, 08:44 AM

... ok.

TragicMonkey · 11th August 2010, 08:50 AM

Not Richard Simmons, then.

portlandatheist · 11th August 2010, 08:52 AM

Michael C. Ruppert is 9/11 truther celebrity and Simmons is a peak oil celebrity. He's also a republican and has worked with Bush and company which for some very odd ironic reason, gives him extra clout with people like JJ

ectoplasm · 11th August 2010, 10:26 AM

I expect there is some kind of conspiracy to explain his untimely death.

Quote:

Arthur Berman, a geologist who lives near Houston and writes for the Oil Drum energy website, said he shared Simmons’s views on peak oil. Simmons did have “some peculiar ideas” on the BP Plc spill such as the size of the disaster, Berman said, and he’d hoped to talk with Simmons about the reasons for some of his thoughts.

Simmons was a frequent critic of BP’s efforts to stanch its oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, suggesting at one point that the best option would be to detonate a small nuclear bomb undersea to kill the well.

bloomberg

JihadJane · 11th August 2010, 10:40 AM

Anyone read Twilight in the Desert?

Sword_Of_Truth · 11th August 2010, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by JihadJane

A tribute from a friend, by Michael C. Ruppert:

How many women were sexually harassed writing that "tribute"?

Pardalis · 11th August 2010, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Not Richard Simmons, then.

I think we're stuck with that one for a long while.

The Central Scrutinizer · 11th August 2010, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by JihadJane

Anyone read Twilight in the Desert?

Is that the vampire book?

Number Six · 11th August 2010, 03:35 PM

Matthew Simmons was on the wrong side of a very foolish (for him) long term public bet that will be settled on Jan 1, 2011.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simmons...%93Tierney_bet

portlandatheist · 11th August 2010, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by JihadJane

Anyone read Twilight in the Desert?

yes I read it.

MikeMangum · 11th August 2010, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by portlandatheist

yes I read it.

Let me guess, she has to choose between a vampire and a djinn?

ectoplasm · 11th August 2010, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Number Six

Matthew Simmons was on the wrong side of a very foolish (for him) long term public bet that will be settled on Jan 1, 2011.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simmons...%93Tierney_bet

I think that might explain his unexpected death.

portlandatheist · 11th August 2010, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by ectoplasm

I think that might explain his unexpected death.

Are you suggesting suicide so he wouldn't have to pay out for his bet? He has plenty of money to cover for it (currently in escrow) and its almost certain that he would have lost the bet as its very unlikely the price of oil will go up from $77.35 to $200 in the next 4 1/2 months.

portlandatheist · 11th August 2010, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by MikeMangum

Let me guess, she has to choose between a vampire and a djinn?

The little known prequel of the Twilight Saga

Travis · 11th August 2010, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by ectoplasm

I think that might explain his unexpected death.

What? He was going to lose handily.

ectoplasm · 11th August 2010, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Travis

What? He was going to lose handily.

yes and he didn't want to face the music.

JihadJane · 12th August 2010, 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by portlandatheist

yes I read it.

And...?

~~~~~~~~

Another tribute, at The Oil Drum, outlining more of Matt's important contributions to our understanding of the world's oil supply - some interesting comments follow the article:

Matt Simmons, Author of "Twilight in the Desert" and Peak Oil Speaker, Dies at Age 67

Thanks, in advance, for any further intelligent, thoughtful contributions to this thread

ectoplasm · 12th August 2010, 09:07 AM

Hubbert came up with the idea of peak oil in 1956. It wasn't Simmon's idea, he just used it for grandstanding. He did have a point about how vague our knowledge of oil reserves is, and there is an incentive for countries to overstate reserves. I will give him credit for that.

Judging from Simmon's comments on the BP oil spill he'd lost the plot some time ago.

MikeMangum · 12th August 2010, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by portlandatheist

Are you suggesting suicide so he wouldn't have to pay out for his bet? He has plenty of money to cover for it (currently in escrow) and its almost certain that he would have lost the bet as its very unlikely the price of oil will go up from $77.35 to $200 in the next 4 1/2 months.

That wouldn't do it. The price has to average >= $200/barrel for 2010.

portlandatheist · 12th August 2010, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by MikeMangum

That wouldn't do it. The price has to average >= $200/barrel for 2010.

Good point. I'm too lazy to do the math right now but in order for him to win the bet oil prices would have to be somewhere in the neighborhood of $500/barrel from now to the end of the year for him to have won the bet.

geni · 12th August 2010, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Number Six

Matthew Simmons was on the wrong side of a very foolish (for him) long term public bet that will be settled on Jan 1, 2011.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simmons...%93Tierney_bet

He was kinda unlucky with the credit crunch mind.

portlandatheist · 12th August 2010, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by JihadJane

And...?

I loathe to admit that I liked the same book as you but I did. I agree with ectoplasm. He had a good understanding of the politics of reserve estimates and the situation in Saudi Arabia. It's a fool's errand to predict when peak oil will happen but it will inevitably happen and likely very soon if not already. There's probably one thing we can actually agree on. Where we differ dramatically is in both the consequences and mitigation of the challenge facing us. It's not going to be the end of the world as we know it but we will have to adjust and come up with alternatives, socialism and totalitarianism not being one of the better solutions that many peak oilers seem to think will be a good way to deal with the challenge as evidenced with their love of Cuba as an guiding light of perfection of how society should organize itself.
We will have oil over $200/barrel someday as Simmons predicted but nobody knows when that day will come and it serves all of us for not only the consequences of less oil available than we are used to, but because of global warming, energy independence, and so on. Looking to Cuba for guidance as a shining light and believing 9/11 conspiracy theories, obsessed with the destruction of Israel, and so on as many peak oilers obviously do, will not accomplish anything beneficial for anybody.

Thunder · 12th August 2010, 07:05 PM

one less scumbag to worry about

The Central Scrutinizer · 12th August 2010, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by JihadJane

And...?

~~~~~~~~

Another tribute, at The Oil Drum, outlining more of Matt's important contributions to our understanding of the world's oil supply - some interesting comments follow the article:

Matt Simmons, Author of "Twilight in the Desert" and Peak Oil Speaker, Dies at Age 67

Thanks, in advance, for any further intelligent, thoughtful contributions to this thread

JihadJane · 13th August 2010, 04:08 AM

Good start but then you drifted off what looks like right-wing, paranoid fantasy land.

Originally Posted by portlandatheist

I loathe to admit that I liked the same book as you but I did. I agree with ectoplasm. He had a good understanding of the politics of reserve estimates and the situation in Saudi Arabia. It's a fool's errand to predict when peak oil will happen but it will inevitably happen and likely very soon if not already. There's probably one thing we can actually agree on. Where we differ dramatically is in both the consequences and mitigation of the challenge facing us. It's not going to be the end of the world as we know it but we will have to adjust and come up with alternatives, socialism and totalitarianism not being one of the better solutions that many peak oilers seem to think will be a good way to deal with the challenge as evidenced with their love of Cuba as an guiding light of perfection of how society should organize itself.

Widespread economic collapse appears to have started already and barely any mitigation efforts have begun.

The "peak oilers" focus on Cuba is because, with the collapse of imports from the disintegrating Soviet Union, it experienced an advanced version of what a global decline in energy supplies might look like. It is hard to imagine that the US would have been able to transform its agriculture as effectively as Cuba did in response to its emergency.

Representing this focus as "love" smells like latterday McCarthyist dementia!

Quote:

We will have oil over $200/barrel someday as Simmons predicted but nobody knows when that day will come and it serves all of us for not only the consequences of less oil available than we are used to, but because of global warming, energy independence, and so on.

Looking to Cuba for guidance as a shining light and believing 9/11 conspiracy theories, obsessed with the destruction of Israel, and so on as many peak oilers obviously do [bollocks! - JJ], will not accomplish anything beneficial for anybody.

Why do you feel so threatened by Cuba?

Originally Posted by Thunder

one less scumbag to worry about

In what way was Matt Simmons a "scumbag", Thunder?

Your comment is bizarre and idiotic.

WildCat · 13th August 2010, 05:04 AM

Originally Posted by JihadJane

In what way was Matt Simmons a "scumbag", Thunder?

Your comment is bizarre and idiotic.

JihadJane · 21st August 2010, 07:34 AM

"In the days following Simmon's death some 400 obituaries appeared on the web, on television broadcasts and in hard copy publications around the world. Some of these were written by people and organizations who understand the threat of peaking world oil supplies and praised Matt for his leadership in analyzing and publicizing the issue. Others were written by hostile skeptics who sought to play down his significance or focused on those instances in his voluminous pronouncements where he was wrong. A few even attributed his death to assassination at the hands of the CIA or BP because of recent anti-BP comments on the Gulf oil spill.

Many of the obituaries however were prepared by mainstream and financial news organizations that are either agnostic about peak oil or hold plainly hostile attitudes towards the concept because of the threat a falling oil supply holds for the American way of life or perhaps even to capitalism. Forced to say something because of Simmon's position in the business community, it is interesting to see just how peak oil treated is in the various obituaries that appeared in the financial press."

On the Death of Matthew Simmons

by Tom Whipple.

Alt+F4 · 21st August 2010, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by portlandatheist

Are you suggesting suicide so he wouldn't have to pay out for his bet? He has plenty of money to cover for it (currently in escrow) and its almost certain that he would have lost the bet as its very unlikely the price of oil will go up from $77.35 to $200 in the next 4 1/2 months.

Why the heck would anyone with more than two brain cells think that the price of oil would be over $200 by 2011?

Alt+F4 · 21st August 2010, 07:49 AM

[quote=JihadJane;6222374]Widespread economic collapse appears to have started already...]

No.

The Central Scrutinizer · 21st August 2010, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by JihadJane

"In the days following Simmon's death some 400 obituaries appeared on the web, on television broadcasts and in hard copy publications around the world. Some of these were written by people and organizations who understand the threat of peaking world oil supplies and praised Matt for his leadership in analyzing and publicizing the issue. Others were written by hostile skeptics who sought to play down his significance or focused on those instances in his voluminous pronouncements where he was wrong. A few even attributed his death to assassination at the hands of the CIA or BP because of recent anti-BP comments on the Gulf oil spill.

Many of the obituaries however were prepared by mainstream and financial news organizations that are either agnostic about peak oil or hold plainly hostile attitudes towards the concept because of the threat a falling oil supply holds for the American way of life or perhaps even to capitalism. Forced to say something because of Simmon's position in the business community, it is interesting to see just how peak oil treated is in the various obituaries that appeared in the financial press."

On the Death of Matthew Simmons

by Tom Whipple.

So?

Sword_Of_Truth · 22nd August 2010, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by JihadJane

In what way was Matt Simmons a "scumbag", Thunder?

His friends include at least one sexual predator.

He could have kept better company.

portlandatheist · 22nd August 2010, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

His friends include at least one sexual predator.

He could have kept better company.

It gets even worse. Michael Ruppert is also a truther.

JihadJane · 24th August 2010, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by portlandatheist

It gets even worse. Michael Ruppert is also a truther.

I'm sure you will have educated yourself about the case against him. Otherwise you yourself might be mistaken for a gossip truther, a fate worse than measles!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Peak Oil Workhorse Matt Simmons: 1943-2010

Soapy Sam · 24th August 2010, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by Alt+F4

Why the heck would anyone with more than two brain cells think that the price of oil would be over $200 by 2011?

What is a dollar actually worth?
How many bills would you have to burn to get your car to go a mile?
How many hundred dollar bills?
Is the energy content of a $100 bill any higher than that of a $1 bill?

How many promissory notes a gallon of oil is "worth" is a matter for buyer and seller to arrange.
One more offshore screwup, possibly eight well placed bombs along thousands of miles of pipeline and one Iranian tank battalion could double that $200 in a week.

paximperium · 24th August 2010, 09:32 AM

Who?

The Central Scrutinizer · 24th August 2010, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

Who?

Originally Posted by paximperium

Who?

Ahem...

11th August 2010, 02:42 AM	#1
JihadJane Penultimate Satisfaction Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 42,708	Matthew Simmons (1943 – 2010) Investment banker, Member of the Council on Foreign Relations, energy advisor to Bush/Cheney and author of the iconoclastic book Twilight in the Desert: The Coming Saudi Oil Shock and the World Economy has died. A tribute from a friend, by Michael C. Ruppert: http://www.collapsenet.com/index.php...ns-1943-–-2010
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11th August 2010, 08:44 AM	#5
Sledge Grammaton Cleric Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Swingin' on a star Posts: 7,123	... ok.
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11th August 2010, 08:50 AM	#6
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Pither Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,067	Not Richard Simmons, then.
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11th August 2010, 08:52 AM	#7
portlandatheist Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,111	Michael C. Ruppert is 9/11 truther celebrity and Simmons is a peak oil celebrity. He's also a republican and has worked with Bush and company which for some very odd ironic reason, gives him extra clout with people like JJ

11th August 2010, 10:26 AM	#8
ectoplasm Thinker Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 213	I expect there is some kind of conspiracy to explain his untimely death. Quote: Arthur Berman, a geologist who lives near Houston and writes for the Oil Drum energy website, said he shared Simmons’s views on peak oil. Simmons did have “some peculiar ideas” on the BP Plc spill such as the size of the disaster, Berman said, and he’d hoped to talk with Simmons about the reasons for some of his thoughts. Simmons was a frequent critic of BP’s efforts to stanch its oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, suggesting at one point that the best option would be to detonate a small nuclear bomb undersea to kill the well. bloomberg
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11th August 2010, 10:40 AM	#9
JihadJane Penultimate Satisfaction Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 42,708	Anyone read Twilight in the Desert?
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11th August 2010, 01:00 PM	#10
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Originally Posted by JihadJane A tribute from a friend, by Michael C. Ruppert: How many women were sexually harassed writing that "tribute"?

11th August 2010, 01:18 PM	#11
Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 25,831	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Not Richard Simmons, then. I think we're stuck with that one for a long while.

11th August 2010, 02:00 PM	#12
The Central Scrutinizer Penultimate Amazing Pither Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The White Zone Posts: 42,266	Originally Posted by JihadJane Anyone read Twilight in the Desert? Is that the vampire book?
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11th August 2010, 03:35 PM	#13
Number Six JREF Kid Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,017	Matthew Simmons was on the wrong side of a very foolish (for him) long term public bet that will be settled on Jan 1, 2011. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simmons...%93Tierney_bet
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11th August 2010, 05:05 PM	#14
portlandatheist Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by JihadJane Anyone read Twilight in the Desert? yes I read it.

11th August 2010, 05:47 PM	#15
MikeMangum Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,725	Originally Posted by portlandatheist yes I read it. Let me guess, she has to choose between a vampire and a djinn?
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11th August 2010, 06:41 PM	#16
ectoplasm Thinker Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 213	Originally Posted by Number Six Matthew Simmons was on the wrong side of a very foolish (for him) long term public bet that will be settled on Jan 1, 2011. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simmons...%93Tierney_bet I think that might explain his unexpected death.
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11th August 2010, 07:12 PM	#17
portlandatheist Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by ectoplasm I think that might explain his unexpected death. Are you suggesting suicide so he wouldn't have to pay out for his bet? He has plenty of money to cover for it (currently in escrow) and its almost certain that he would have lost the bet as its very unlikely the price of oil will go up from $77.35 to $200 in the next 4 1/2 months.

11th August 2010, 07:13 PM	#18
portlandatheist Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by MikeMangum Let me guess, she has to choose between a vampire and a djinn? The little known prequel of the Twilight Saga

11th August 2010, 08:47 PM	#19
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 17,937	Originally Posted by ectoplasm I think that might explain his unexpected death. What? He was going to lose handily.
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11th August 2010, 09:10 PM	#20
ectoplasm Thinker Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 213	Originally Posted by Travis What? He was going to lose handily. yes and he didn't want to face the music.
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12th August 2010, 02:25 AM	#21
JihadJane Penultimate Satisfaction Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 42,708	Originally Posted by portlandatheist yes I read it. And...? ~~~~~~~~ Another tribute, at The Oil Drum, outlining more of Matt's important contributions to our understanding of the world's oil supply - some interesting comments follow the article: Matt Simmons, Author of "Twilight in the Desert" and Peak Oil Speaker, Dies at Age 67 Thanks, in advance, for any further intelligent, thoughtful contributions to this thread
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12th August 2010, 09:07 AM	#22
ectoplasm Thinker Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 213	Hubbert came up with the idea of peak oil in 1956. It wasn't Simmon's idea, he just used it for grandstanding. He did have a point about how vague our knowledge of oil reserves is, and there is an incentive for countries to overstate reserves. I will give him credit for that. Judging from Simmon's comments on the BP oil spill he'd lost the plot some time ago.
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12th August 2010, 11:55 AM	#23
MikeMangum Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,725	Originally Posted by portlandatheist Are you suggesting suicide so he wouldn't have to pay out for his bet? He has plenty of money to cover for it (currently in escrow) and its almost certain that he would have lost the bet as its very unlikely the price of oil will go up from $77.35 to $200 in the next 4 1/2 months. That wouldn't do it. The price has to average >= $200/barrel for 2010.
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12th August 2010, 06:44 PM	#24
portlandatheist Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by MikeMangum That wouldn't do it. The price has to average >= $200/barrel for 2010. Good point. I'm too lazy to do the math right now but in order for him to win the bet oil prices would have to be somewhere in the neighborhood of $500/barrel from now to the end of the year for him to have won the bet.

12th August 2010, 06:49 PM	#25
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,561	Originally Posted by Number Six Matthew Simmons was on the wrong side of a very foolish (for him) long term public bet that will be settled on Jan 1, 2011. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simmons...%93Tierney_bet He was kinda unlucky with the credit crunch mind.

12th August 2010, 06:57 PM	#26
portlandatheist Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,111	Originally Posted by JihadJane And...? I loathe to admit that I liked the same book as you but I did. I agree with ectoplasm. He had a good understanding of the politics of reserve estimates and the situation in Saudi Arabia. It's a fool's errand to predict when peak oil will happen but it will inevitably happen and likely very soon if not already. There's probably one thing we can actually agree on. Where we differ dramatically is in both the consequences and mitigation of the challenge facing us. It's not going to be the end of the world as we know it but we will have to adjust and come up with alternatives, socialism and totalitarianism not being one of the better solutions that many peak oilers seem to think will be a good way to deal with the challenge as evidenced with their love of Cuba as an guiding light of perfection of how society should organize itself. We will have oil over $200/barrel someday as Simmons predicted but nobody knows when that day will come and it serves all of us for not only the consequences of less oil available than we are used to, but because of global warming, energy independence, and so on. Looking to Cuba for guidance as a shining light and believing 9/11 conspiracy theories, obsessed with the destruction of Israel, and so on as many peak oilers obviously do, will not accomplish anything beneficial for anybody.

12th August 2010, 07:05 PM	#27
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12th August 2010, 10:03 PM	#28
The Central Scrutinizer Penultimate Amazing Pither Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The White Zone Posts: 42,266	Originally Posted by JihadJane And...? ~~~~~~~~ Another tribute, at The Oil Drum, outlining more of Matt's important contributions to our understanding of the world's oil supply - some interesting comments follow the article: Matt Simmons, Author of "Twilight in the Desert" and Peak Oil Speaker, Dies at Age 67 Thanks, in advance, for any further intelligent, thoughtful contributions to this thread
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13th August 2010, 04:08 AM	#29
JihadJane Penultimate Satisfaction Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 42,708	Good start but then you drifted off what looks like right-wing, paranoid fantasy land. Originally Posted by portlandatheist I loathe to admit that I liked the same book as you but I did. I agree with ectoplasm. He had a good understanding of the politics of reserve estimates and the situation in Saudi Arabia. It's a fool's errand to predict when peak oil will happen but it will inevitably happen and likely very soon if not already. There's probably one thing we can actually agree on. Where we differ dramatically is in both the consequences and mitigation of the challenge facing us. It's not going to be the end of the world as we know it but we will have to adjust and come up with alternatives, socialism and totalitarianism not being one of the better solutions that many peak oilers seem to think will be a good way to deal with the challenge as evidenced with their love of Cuba as an guiding light of perfection of how society should organize itself. Widespread economic collapse appears to have started already and barely any mitigation efforts have begun. The "peak oilers" focus on Cuba is because, with the collapse of imports from the disintegrating Soviet Union, it experienced an advanced version of what a global decline in energy supplies might look like. It is hard to imagine that the US would have been able to transform its agriculture as effectively as Cuba did in response to its emergency. Representing this focus as "love" smells like latterday McCarthyist dementia! Quote: We will have oil over $200/barrel someday as Simmons predicted but nobody knows when that day will come and it serves all of us for not only the consequences of less oil available than we are used to, but because of global warming, energy independence, and so on. Looking to Cuba for guidance as a shining light and believing 9/11 conspiracy theories, obsessed with the destruction of Israel, and so on as many peak oilers obviously do [bollocks! - JJ], will not accomplish anything beneficial for anybody. Why do you feel so threatened by Cuba? Originally Posted by Thunder one less scumbag to worry about In what way was Matt Simmons a "scumbag", Thunder? Your comment is bizarre and idiotic.
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13th August 2010, 05:04 AM	#30
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,015	Originally Posted by JihadJane In what way was Matt Simmons a "scumbag", Thunder? Your comment is bizarre and idiotic.

21st August 2010, 07:34 AM	#31
JihadJane Penultimate Satisfaction Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 42,708	"In the days following Simmon's death some 400 obituaries appeared on the web, on television broadcasts and in hard copy publications around the world. Some of these were written by people and organizations who understand the threat of peaking world oil supplies and praised Matt for his leadership in analyzing and publicizing the issue. Others were written by hostile skeptics who sought to play down his significance or focused on those instances in his voluminous pronouncements where he was wrong. A few even attributed his death to assassination at the hands of the CIA or BP because of recent anti-BP comments on the Gulf oil spill. Many of the obituaries however were prepared by mainstream and financial news organizations that are either agnostic about peak oil or hold plainly hostile attitudes towards the concept because of the threat a falling oil supply holds for the American way of life or perhaps even to capitalism. Forced to say something because of Simmon's position in the business community, it is interesting to see just how peak oil treated is in the various obituaries that appeared in the financial press." On the Death of Matthew Simmons by Tom Whipple.
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21st August 2010, 07:42 AM	#32
Alt+F4 diabolical globalist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Department of Abandoned Places Posts: 9,782	Originally Posted by portlandatheist Are you suggesting suicide so he wouldn't have to pay out for his bet? He has plenty of money to cover for it (currently in escrow) and its almost certain that he would have lost the bet as its very unlikely the price of oil will go up from $77.35 to $200 in the next 4 1/2 months. Why the heck would anyone with more than two brain cells think that the price of oil would be over $200 by 2011?
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21st August 2010, 07:49 AM	#33
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21st August 2010, 08:38 AM	#34
The Central Scrutinizer Penultimate Amazing Pither Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The White Zone Posts: 42,266	Originally Posted by JihadJane "In the days following Simmon's death some 400 obituaries appeared on the web, on television broadcasts and in hard copy publications around the world. Some of these were written by people and organizations who understand the threat of peaking world oil supplies and praised Matt for his leadership in analyzing and publicizing the issue. Others were written by hostile skeptics who sought to play down his significance or focused on those instances in his voluminous pronouncements where he was wrong. A few even attributed his death to assassination at the hands of the CIA or BP because of recent anti-BP comments on the Gulf oil spill. Many of the obituaries however were prepared by mainstream and financial news organizations that are either agnostic about peak oil or hold plainly hostile attitudes towards the concept because of the threat a falling oil supply holds for the American way of life or perhaps even to capitalism. Forced to say something because of Simmon's position in the business community, it is interesting to see just how peak oil treated is in the various obituaries that appeared in the financial press." On the Death of Matthew Simmons by Tom Whipple. So?
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22nd August 2010, 05:02 PM	#35
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Originally Posted by JihadJane In what way was Matt Simmons a "scumbag", Thunder? His friends include at least one sexual predator. He could have kept better company.