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Uncayimmy · 17th August 2010, 11:44 AM

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Childs defended his actions during a long court trial, saying that he was only doing his job, and that his supervisor, Department of Technology and Information Services Chief Operations Officer Richard Robinson, was unqualified to have access to the passwords. Childs eventually handed over the passwords to San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom.

http://www.infoworld.com/d/adventure...infoworld_news

What a control freak.

CynicalSkeptic · 18th August 2010, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by UncaYimmy

What a control freak.

Sounds like a typical sysadmin.

GodMark2 · 18th August 2010, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by CynicalSkeptic

Sounds like a typical sysadmin.

I thought he was referring to the government bureaucrat.

Dancing David · 19th August 2010, 04:32 AM

Um, the city owns the network, the dude is your boss and now you are in prison.

What would happen if we all refused to cooperate with those we felt were unqualified?

Zep · 19th August 2010, 04:49 AM

And when the network DOES get hacked because the passwords get circulated freely by accident if not properly controlled, they will realise he was just doing his job and wish they had him back in control.

I would also say that "denial of service" really means stopping service to users, not stopping access to managers. So since the network continued to operate successfully throughout, I would ask what service was denied.

ETA: I've been on many a clean-up crew AFTER managers decided they could be sysadmins...

Cainkane1 · 19th August 2010, 05:32 AM

There was a guy accussed of having Child porn on his computer but it was password protected. He refused to give the police his password. I wish I could remember how this turned out.

plumjam · 19th August 2010, 05:46 AM

Bend over; Bubba don't need no password.

Dancing David · 22nd August 2010, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by Zep

And when the network DOES get hacked because the passwords get circulated freely by accident if not properly controlled, they will realise he was just doing his job and wish they had him back in control.

I would also say that "denial of service" really means stopping service to users, not stopping access to managers. So since the network continued to operate successfully throughout, I would ask what service was denied.

ETA: I've been on many a clean-up crew AFTER managers decided they could be sysadmins...

That is just standard bussiness practice. And that is too bad. Just like my employer had no AV for about four months, because teh school board though we didn't need it.

negativ · 24th August 2010, 07:08 PM

A well-known company I once worked for had a written policy that there were certain passwords that were only to be known by a fairly short list of people, all in the IT department, and divulging any of those passwords to anyone not on the list, including people far higher than you on the food chain, was a no-questions-asked firing offense.

I'm not defending the person who was sent to prison, but there are instances in the insane world of IT where you are expected, as a matter of policy, to refuse access to people who would otherwise be considered a "supervisor".

rjh01 · 24th August 2010, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by negativ

A well-known company I once worked for had a written policy that there were certain passwords that were only to be known by a fairly short list of people, all in the IT department, and divulging any of those passwords to anyone not on the list, including people far higher than you on the food chain, was a no-questions-asked firing offense.

I'm not defending the person who was sent to prison, but there are instances in the insane world of IT where you are expected, as a matter of policy, to refuse access to people who would otherwise be considered a "supervisor".

Where I work you are responsible for your own password. If someone else uses your logon and does something against regulations then both of you are in trouble. That does include being sacked. Where I work being sacked does not just mean being unemployed, it means being unemployable.

dudalb · 29th August 2010, 02:56 PM

He shoud not go to prison,but I could understand firing his butt if he refused a direct,legal, order from his supervisor.

Uncayimmy · 29th August 2010, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

He shoud not go to prison,but I could understand firing his butt if he refused a direct,legal, order from his supervisor.

Do you object to his conviction for denial of computer service, the punishment, or that this law exists in the first place? His actions denied access to the network by the very people who owned it, which in my book is a crime.

rjh01 · 29th August 2010, 05:08 PM

I think the system is also at fault. There should be a way to reset the unknown passwords by other people. One person should not have total power that cannot be challenged. Suppose the convicted man had dropped dead. Then the passwords would be lost and no one would be able to access the system at all.

Sorry but I cannot blame the man for much. The system was at fault.

17th August 2010, 11:44 AM	#1
Uncayimmy Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 7,485	Network Admin Gets 4 Years for Withholding Passwords Quote: Childs defended his actions during a long court trial, saying that he was only doing his job, and that his supervisor, Department of Technology and Information Services Chief Operations Officer Richard Robinson, was unqualified to have access to the passwords. Childs eventually handed over the passwords to San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom. http://www.infoworld.com/d/adventure...infoworld_news What a control freak.
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18th August 2010, 04:24 PM	#3
GodMark2 Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 1,050	Originally Posted by CynicalSkeptic Sounds like a typical sysadmin. I thought he was referring to the government bureaucrat.
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19th August 2010, 04:32 AM	#4
Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,919	Um, the city owns the network, the dude is your boss and now you are in prison. What would happen if we all refused to cooperate with those we felt were unqualified?
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19th August 2010, 04:49 AM	#5
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	And when the network DOES get hacked because the passwords get circulated freely by accident if not properly controlled, they will realise he was just doing his job and wish they had him back in control. I would also say that "denial of service" really means stopping service to users, not stopping access to managers. So since the network continued to operate successfully throughout, I would ask what service was denied. ETA: I've been on many a clean-up crew AFTER managers decided they could be sysadmins...
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19th August 2010, 05:32 AM	#6
Cainkane1 Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The great American southeast Posts: 7,237	There was a guy accussed of having Child porn on his computer but it was password protected. He refused to give the police his password. I wish I could remember how this turned out.
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18th August 2010, 06:51 AM	#2
CynicalSkeptic Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: state of denial Posts: 1,407	Originally Posted by UncaYimmy What a control freak. Sounds like a typical sysadmin.

19th August 2010, 05:46 AM	#7
plumjam Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Valencia, Spain Posts: 7,837	Bend over; Bubba don't need no password.

22nd August 2010, 06:48 AM	#8
Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,919	Originally Posted by Zep And when the network DOES get hacked because the passwords get circulated freely by accident if not properly controlled, they will realise he was just doing his job and wish they had him back in control. I would also say that "denial of service" really means stopping service to users, not stopping access to managers. So since the network continued to operate successfully throughout, I would ask what service was denied. ETA: I've been on many a clean-up crew AFTER managers decided they could be sysadmins... That is just standard bussiness practice. And that is too bad. Just like my employer had no AV for about four months, because teh school board though we didn't need it.
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24th August 2010, 07:08 PM	#9
negativ Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: the land of make-believe Posts: 1,905	A well-known company I once worked for had a written policy that there were certain passwords that were only to be known by a fairly short list of people, all in the IT department, and divulging any of those passwords to anyone not on the list, including people far higher than you on the food chain, was a no-questions-asked firing offense. I'm not defending the person who was sent to prison, but there are instances in the insane world of IT where you are expected, as a matter of policy, to refuse access to people who would otherwise be considered a "supervisor".
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24th August 2010, 09:27 PM	#10
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 17,320	Originally Posted by negativ A well-known company I once worked for had a written policy that there were certain passwords that were only to be known by a fairly short list of people, all in the IT department, and divulging any of those passwords to anyone not on the list, including people far higher than you on the food chain, was a no-questions-asked firing offense. I'm not defending the person who was sent to prison, but there are instances in the insane world of IT where you are expected, as a matter of policy, to refuse access to people who would otherwise be considered a "supervisor". Where I work you are responsible for your own password. If someone else uses your logon and does something against regulations then both of you are in trouble. That does include being sacked. Where I work being sacked does not just mean being unemployed, it means being unemployable.

29th August 2010, 02:56 PM	#11
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 23,023	He shoud not go to prison,but I could understand firing his butt if he refused a direct,legal, order from his supervisor.

29th August 2010, 04:16 PM	#12
Uncayimmy Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 7,485	Originally Posted by dudalb He shoud not go to prison,but I could understand firing his butt if he refused a direct,legal, order from his supervisor. Do you object to his conviction for denial of computer service, the punishment, or that this law exists in the first place? His actions denied access to the network by the very people who owned it, which in my book is a crime.
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29th August 2010, 05:08 PM	#13
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 17,320	I think the system is also at fault. There should be a way to reset the unknown passwords by other people. One person should not have total power that cannot be challenged. Suppose the convicted man had dropped dead. Then the passwords would be lost and no one would be able to access the system at all. Sorry but I cannot blame the man for much. The system was at fault.