Can one be any MORE clueless?

Mark6 · 2nd September 2010, 12:16 PM

Actually seen on Usenet some years ago:

"Why is everyone so excited about [movie] Lord of The Rings? The characters are complete sterotypes, they could be right out of Player's Handbook!"

Gawdzilla · 2nd September 2010, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Mark6

Actually seen on Usenet some years ago:

"Why is everyone so excited about [movie] Lord of The Rings? The characters are complete sterotypes, they could be right out of Player's Handbook!"

Always one who hasn't checked in with reality.

Morrigan · 2nd September 2010, 12:23 PM

You got tr0ll3d.

theprestige · 2nd September 2010, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Mark6

Actually seen on Usenet some years ago:

"Why is everyone so excited about [movie] Lord of The Rings? The characters are complete sterotypes, they could be right out of Player's Handbook!"

thatsthejoke.jpg

Lukraak_Sisser · 3rd September 2010, 02:15 AM

Well, I'm sure I've read a news story at some point about a petition to rename The Two Towers, because it was harmful to name a movie that way to cash in on 9/11

Yup

http://www.houseofplum.com/plumcrazy...es/000324.html

Some people really ARE that clueless

Cuddles · 3rd September 2010, 07:04 AM

Tolkein totally ripped off Elton Speedwagon.

NoZed Avenger · 3rd September 2010, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by Cuddles

Tolkein totally ripped off ~~Elton~~Elric Speedwagon.

Fixed.

Alareth · 3rd September 2010, 08:34 AM

About as dumb as Warcraft fans accusing Warhammer of ripping off Blizzard

dafydd · 3rd September 2010, 11:55 AM

Doctor,every night I dream that I'm writing Lord Of The Rings.........You've been Tolkien in your sleep.

Marquis de Carabas · 3rd September 2010, 12:21 PM

I'd be thankful to be that clueless.

Belgian thought · 3rd September 2010, 12:40 PM

... whoever was first - still crap though.

The Fallen Serpent · 3rd September 2010, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Alareth

About as dumb as Warcraft fans accusing Warhammer of ripping off Blizzard

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/4/10/

Lensman · 3rd September 2010, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by dafydd

Doctor,every night I dream that I'm writing Lord Of The Rings.........You've been Tolkien in your sleep.

Tolkien can be hobbit forming.

NoZed Avenger · 3rd September 2010, 03:12 PM

More clueless?

Sure. They could taking grooming tips from Scrut.

Or marriage tips from KateHL.

bit_pattern · 4th September 2010, 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by Lensman

Tolkien can be hobbit forming.

Giving him up is mordor

HansMustermann · 4th September 2010, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by Alareth

About as dumb as Warcraft fans accusing Warhammer of ripping off Blizzard

Actually, as someone who has played both WoW and WAR, I'd say the dumb gang are those who dismiss it that superficially based on just hearsay of half the story. Yes, while Blizzard doesn't even make a secret that they got the orcs and whatnot ideas from Games Workshop, that's not what WAR is accused of copying from WoW.

There are game mechanics copied that were not in the board game at all, and even classes changed to be far less like the tabletop units and more like basically Blizzard's cash cow.

E.g., if someone were to point out that, say, squig herders are a copy of WoW's hunter, pointing out that they got it from their own board game would actually be the dumb answer. The board game squig herders don't actually do the things they do in the online game. In fact, they don't even actually do much more than be accessories to the squigs, in the board game.

E.g., making the White Lion class a pet class is basically another such deviation. In the board game the White Lion guards are people who killed a white lion in hand to hand combat and wear its pelt as a sign of courage. They're not people who tame one and use it as a combat pet, like in the online game.

E.g., there is no such thing in the board game as the combo points that work exactly like on the WoW rogue.

E.g., there is no such thing in the board game as a rider on a Disc Of Tzeentch that wears only cloth to be like the standard MMO mages.

Etc.

Now a case may be made that those are more generic MMO tropes and don't necessarily come via WoW. But dismissing the complaint as on par with the LOTR one just tells me that someone is in a rush to shoot their mouth without even understanding what's actually being discussed.

Lensman · 6th September 2010, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by bit_pattern

Giving him up is mordor

Indeed

The Fallen Serpent · 6th September 2010, 01:27 PM

Hmm, I have never heard anyone deny that WAR copied many of the mechanical aspects of WoW. That was sort of a given and a rather common situation in an MMO if it wants to be successful. The complaint about WAR I came across was that it copied the thematic and story elements of WoW, as among the circles I have experience in it was assumed that a fair amount of mechanics and roles would be copied if it was going to be an MMO. I never got into either and only played WoW briefly so my experience with the complaints were largely secondary.

Lukraak_Sisser · 6th September 2010, 02:09 PM

The Penny Arcade joke plays on the fact that some of the younger and more vocal players of WoW claimed that WAR 'stole' a lot of the fantasy elements, without knowing (or bothering to look up) that Warhammer was older and used its own miniature models for the graphics. But since all fantasy borrows from tolkien to a greater or lesser degree.. meh

OnlyTellsTruths · 7th September 2010, 02:09 AM

WOW (2004) is a Phantasy Star Online (2000) clone anyway. They didn't even rip it off first, that honor goes to Final Fantasy XI Online (2002).

Then again it's not like the first Warcraft games (nothing like WOW) were original at all either....

(Yes I'm trolling for EverQuest fanboys.)

timhau · 7th September 2010, 04:26 AM

The OP reminds me of most of the 50 reasons why LOTR sucks. (31 is my favorite.)

arthwollipot · 7th September 2010, 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by OnlyTellsTruths

(Yes I'm trolling for EverQuest fanboys.)

They still exist?

Gawdzilla · 8th September 2010, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by timhau

The OP reminds me of most of the 50 reasons why LOTR sucks. (31 is my favorite.)

That reminds me very little of the time I saw a full-scale brawl develop when some inane soul referred to Charles Bronson as an "actor".

wollery · 8th September 2010, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by bit_pattern

Giving him up is mordor

But you can get support from the national elf service.

Vortigern99 · 8th September 2010, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by bit_pattern

Giving him up is mordor

I've got to kick that nasty hobbit.

TragicMonkey · 8th September 2010, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Vortigern99

I've got to kick that nasty hobbit.

It's okay to indulge orcasionally, in mordoration.

HansMustermann · 8th September 2010, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

They still exist?

No idea about EQ1, but after dabbling in EQ2, I can tell you there is no shortage of people witnessing how it's God's gift to humanity and only deluded brainwashed kiddies would play WoW instead. If that's not a fanboy, I dunno what is

dafydd · 8th September 2010, 02:39 PM

Is this true? I heard that the film The Madness Of King George III didn't do to well in the States because people thought that they'd missed the first two?

HansMustermann · 8th September 2010, 03:32 PM

I always thought they're pulling a Lucas and starting with episode 3. They'll probably release George I and II as prequels

Madalch · 8th September 2010, 03:54 PM

I overheard a chemistry student say, "Iron is a -metal-? Oh, this is soooo confusing..."

wollery · 8th September 2010, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Madalch

I overheard a chemistry student say, "Iron is a -metal-? Oh, this is soooo confusing..."

I'm an astronomer. Everything except hydrogen is a metal!

NoZed Avenger · 8th September 2010, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by HansMustermann

I always thought they're pulling a Lucas and starting with episode 3. They'll probably release George I and II as prequels

I feel much better about Malcolm X now.

HansMustermann · 9th September 2010, 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by wollery

I'm an astronomer. Everything except hydrogen is a metal!

Actually, except helium too, innit?

Damien Evans · 9th September 2010, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by timhau

The OP reminds me of most of the 50 reasons why LOTR sucks. (31 is my favorite.)

Real or parody? It's on freerepublic so I'm not sure...

HansMustermann · 9th September 2010, 10:59 AM

I'd say they did a fine job of keeping it borderline Poe, but if you make it all the way to 42, "Too many characters to keep track of. The dwarf was clearly only there as a token dwarf character to sell tickets to lucrative movie-going dwarf demographic. Lose him." I'd say you can't get a much clearer indication that it's a parody. I mean, geesh, the only way to make it more blatant would be to talk about the elf or orc demographic.

cwalner · 9th September 2010, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by dafydd

Is this true? I heard that the film The Madness Of King George III didn't do to well in the States because people thought that they'd missed the first two?

The story I heard was that they renamed the US release to 'The Madness of King George' because of fears of this.

Bloodtoes · 9th September 2010, 11:16 AM

It was such bad form for them to name their movie "the two towers" so soon after 9/11.

Madalch · 9th September 2010, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by cwalner

The story I heard was that they renamed the US release to 'The Madness of King George' because of fears of this.

The British version was called 'The Madness of George III', since every Brit can recognize the name of a King by the fact that there's a number after his name. They felt that Americans ought to have the fact that George was a King specified, and dropped the number to keep the title form getting too long.

At least, that's the most reasonable version I've heard.

TragicMonkey · 9th September 2010, 11:47 AM

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the "George I and II" movies explanation is a myth.

George III is one of the few kings most Americans would actually have heard of, thanks to the Revolution and stuff. Henry VIII because of the wives, and Richard and John because of Robin Hood. Elizabeth rounds out the picture because of being picturesque. Bloody Mary because of the drink, although most Americans will confuse her with Mary Queen of Scots.

Madalch · 9th September 2010, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

George III is one of the few kings most Americans would actually have heard of, thanks to the Revolution and stuff. Henry VIII because of the wives, and Richard and John because of Robin Hood.

But would they remember George's number?

I suspect Henry VIII would be more recognizable (just as the name) when written "Henry the Eighth" (as it's pronounced).

2nd September 2010, 12:16 PM	#1
Mark6 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,176	Can one be any MORE clueless? Actually seen on Usenet some years ago: "Why is everyone so excited about [movie] Lord of The Rings? The characters are complete sterotypes, they could be right out of Player's Handbook!"
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Gawdzilla 121.92-meter mutant fire-breathing lizard-thingy Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northern St. Louis County, Missouri. Posts: 13,485	Originally Posted by Mark6 Actually seen on Usenet some years ago: "Why is everyone so excited about [movie] Lord of The Rings? The characters are complete sterotypes, they could be right out of Player's Handbook!" Always one who hasn't checked in with reality.
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2nd September 2010, 07:29 PM	#4
theprestige Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,605	Originally Posted by Mark6 Actually seen on Usenet some years ago: "Why is everyone so excited about [movie] Lord of The Rings? The characters are complete sterotypes, they could be right out of Player's Handbook!" thatsthejoke.jpg
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3rd September 2010, 07:04 AM	#6
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3rd September 2010, 02:15 AM	#5
Lukraak_Sisser Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,619	Well, I'm sure I've read a news story at some point about a petition to rename The Two Towers, because it was harmful to name a movie that way to cash in on 9/11 Yup http://www.houseofplum.com/plumcrazy...es/000324.html Some people really ARE that clueless

3rd September 2010, 07:34 AM	#7
NoZed Avenger Bitter Whiner Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 11,313	Originally Posted by Cuddles Tolkein totally ripped off ~~Elton~~Elric Speedwagon. Fixed.
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3rd September 2010, 08:34 AM	#8
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dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,478	Doctor,every night I dream that I'm writing Lord Of The Rings.........You've been Tolkien in your sleep.

3rd September 2010, 12:21 PM	#10
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3rd September 2010, 12:40 PM	#11
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3rd September 2010, 12:59 PM	#12
The Fallen Serpent Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Not Oregon, Texas Posts: 1,929	Originally Posted by Alareth About as dumb as Warcraft fans accusing Warhammer of ripping off Blizzard http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/4/10/
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3rd September 2010, 03:10 PM	#13
Lensman Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: Caerphilly Posts: 1,411	Originally Posted by dafydd Doctor,every night I dream that I'm writing Lord Of The Rings.........You've been Tolkien in your sleep. Tolkien can be hobbit forming.
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4th September 2010, 02:12 AM	#15
bit_pattern Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,349	Originally Posted by Lensman Tolkien can be hobbit forming. Giving him up is mordor
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4th September 2010, 07:02 AM	#16
HansMustermann Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 9,846	Originally Posted by Alareth About as dumb as Warcraft fans accusing Warhammer of ripping off Blizzard Actually, as someone who has played both WoW and WAR, I'd say the dumb gang are those who dismiss it that superficially based on just hearsay of half the story. Yes, while Blizzard doesn't even make a secret that they got the orcs and whatnot ideas from Games Workshop, that's not what WAR is accused of copying from WoW. There are game mechanics copied that were not in the board game at all, and even classes changed to be far less like the tabletop units and more like basically Blizzard's cash cow. E.g., if someone were to point out that, say, squig herders are a copy of WoW's hunter, pointing out that they got it from their own board game would actually be the dumb answer. The board game squig herders don't actually do the things they do in the online game. In fact, they don't even actually do much more than be accessories to the squigs, in the board game. E.g., making the White Lion class a pet class is basically another such deviation. In the board game the White Lion guards are people who killed a white lion in hand to hand combat and wear its pelt as a sign of courage. They're not people who tame one and use it as a combat pet, like in the online game. E.g., there is no such thing in the board game as the combo points that work exactly like on the WoW rogue. E.g., there is no such thing in the board game as a rider on a Disc Of Tzeentch that wears only cloth to be like the standard MMO mages. Etc. Now a case may be made that those are more generic MMO tropes and don't necessarily come via WoW. But dismissing the complaint as on par with the LOTR one just tells me that someone is in a rush to shoot their mouth without even understanding what's actually being discussed.

6th September 2010, 11:14 AM	#17
Lensman Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: Caerphilly Posts: 1,411	Originally Posted by bit_pattern Giving him up is mordor Indeed
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6th September 2010, 01:27 PM	#18
The Fallen Serpent Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Not Oregon, Texas Posts: 1,929	Hmm, I have never heard anyone deny that WAR copied many of the mechanical aspects of WoW. That was sort of a given and a rather common situation in an MMO if it wants to be successful. The complaint about WAR I came across was that it copied the thematic and story elements of WoW, as among the circles I have experience in it was assumed that a fair amount of mechanics and roles would be copied if it was going to be an MMO. I never got into either and only played WoW briefly so my experience with the complaints were largely secondary.
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6th September 2010, 02:09 PM	#19
Lukraak_Sisser Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,619	The Penny Arcade joke plays on the fact that some of the younger and more vocal players of WoW claimed that WAR 'stole' a lot of the fantasy elements, without knowing (or bothering to look up) that Warhammer was older and used its own miniature models for the graphics. But since all fantasy borrows from tolkien to a greater or lesser degree.. meh

7th September 2010, 02:09 AM	#20
OnlyTellsTruths Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 5,790	WOW (2004) is a Phantasy Star Online (2000) clone anyway. They didn't even rip it off first, that honor goes to Final Fantasy XI Online (2002). Then again it's not like the first Warcraft games (nothing like WOW) were original at all either.... (Yes I'm trolling for EverQuest fanboys.)
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7th September 2010, 04:26 AM	#21
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: East of Sweeden Posts: 9,673	The OP reminds me of most of the 50 reasons why LOTR sucks. (31 is my favorite.)
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7th September 2010, 04:32 AM	#22
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8th September 2010, 06:48 AM	#23
Gawdzilla 121.92-meter mutant fire-breathing lizard-thingy Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northern St. Louis County, Missouri. Posts: 13,485	Originally Posted by timhau The OP reminds me of most of the 50 reasons why LOTR sucks. (31 is my favorite.) That reminds me very little of the time I saw a full-scale brawl develop when some inane soul referred to Charles Bronson as an "actor".
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8th September 2010, 12:30 PM	#27
HansMustermann Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 9,846	Originally Posted by arthwollipot They still exist? No idea about EQ1, but after dabbling in EQ2, I can tell you there is no shortage of people witnessing how it's God's gift to humanity and only deluded brainwashed kiddies would play WoW instead. If that's not a fanboy, I dunno what is

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dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,478	Is this true? I heard that the film The Madness Of King George III didn't do to well in the States because people thought that they'd missed the first two?

8th September 2010, 03:32 PM	#29
HansMustermann Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 9,846	I always thought they're pulling a Lucas and starting with episode 3. They'll probably release George I and II as prequels

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8th September 2010, 05:13 PM	#32
NoZed Avenger Bitter Whiner Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 11,313	Originally Posted by HansMustermann I always thought they're pulling a Lucas and starting with episode 3. They'll probably release George I and II as prequels I feel much better about Malcolm X now.
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9th September 2010, 02:02 AM	#33
HansMustermann Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 9,846	Originally Posted by wollery I'm an astronomer. Everything except hydrogen is a metal! Actually, except helium too, innit?

9th September 2010, 10:36 AM	#34
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9th September 2010, 10:59 AM	#35
HansMustermann Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 9,846	I'd say they did a fine job of keeping it borderline Poe, but if you make it all the way to 42, "Too many characters to keep track of. The dwarf was clearly only there as a token dwarf character to sell tickets to lucrative movie-going dwarf demographic. Lose him." I'd say you can't get a much clearer indication that it's a parody. I mean, geesh, the only way to make it more blatant would be to talk about the elf or orc demographic.