It's about time, Obama! Finally, you grow a pair!

thaiboxerken · 6th September 2010, 02:17 PM

Obama gave a great speech today punching the GOP right between the eyes. He pointed out that it was the GOP and it's ideology that led to the great recession. That it was their economic policies that we tried that brought our country to the toilet. He pointed out that they want to implement the same, failed policies again if they get into power. The GOP is the reason the democrats have had a very hard time getting anything done. That despite this, the DNC has done quite a bit.

It's about time, President. I hope you keep this up, as we need your leadership to keep the party of no out of office and to keep this country on it's upward trend. We need you to remind the people that it was the GOP who wrecked the car but is trying to blame the accident on the DNC. To remind the people that the GOP should not have the keys again until they learn responsibility. Thank you, Obama, and do NOT take your fighting gloves off.

The Charnel Expanse · 6th September 2010, 02:23 PM

Here, here!

Cobalt · 6th September 2010, 02:24 PM

Ah, yes, "It's THEIR fault! Not ours!"

How's hope and change coming along again?

thaiboxerken · 6th September 2010, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Cobalt

Ah, yes, "It's THEIR fault! Not ours!"

How's hope and change coming along again?

It's a call to NOT re-live what the GOP sent us through. I don't want to do that again. Do you?

The Charnel Expanse · 6th September 2010, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Cobalt

How's hope and change coming along again?

Incrementally better than "compassionate conservatism" or whatever other nonsense slogan the last administration threw at us.

leftysergeant · 6th September 2010, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Cobalt

Ah, yes, "It's THEIR fault! Not ours!"

How's hope and change coming along again?

We're standing down in Iraq. Major victory for rational thought.

rwguinn · 6th September 2010, 03:07 PM

His next move?
"Prepare 3 envelopes..."

shemp · 6th September 2010, 03:37 PM

Ah yes, the good old Labor Day speech. It must be getting close to elction time again. Wake me when the recession ends and the criminals who got us here have been hanged.

Cicero · 6th September 2010, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

It's about time, President. I hope you keep this up, as we need your leadership to keep the party of no out of office and to keep this country on it's upward trend.

Current unemployment rate 9.6%
When Bush 43 left office it was 8%

The Democrats have controlled Congress since January 2007.
7 million people have lost their jobs since the Democrats took over Congress.

The Republican POTUS and Republican controlled Congress budget had a deficit of $160 billion. The Democrat POTUS and Democrat controlled houses, budget will close at a $1.6 trillion deficit.

Quote:

Thank you, Obama, and do NOT take your fighting gloves off.

Perhaps POTUS Obama should take off the kid gloves?

thaiboxerken · 6th September 2010, 03:44 PM

Unemployment was on a downward trend when Bush left. It's on an upward trend now. Try again, Cic.

seewhatflows · 6th September 2010, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Cicero

Current unemployment rate 9.6%
When Bush 43 left office it was 8%

The Democrats have controlled Congress since January 2007.
7 million people have lost their jobs since the Democrats took over Congress.

The Republican POTUS and Republican controlled Congress budget had a deficit of $160 billion. The Democrat POTUS and Democrat controlled houses, budget will close at a $1.6 trillion deficit.

Perhaps POTUS Obama should take off the kid gloves?

Because the effects of change in policy/administration on the economy can always be seen IMMEDIATELY, right?

johnny karate · 6th September 2010, 03:50 PM

When Bush was in office, we were comfortably seated in a car speeding directly towards a brick wall.

But now that Obama is in office, our car has crashed.

Thanks a lot Obama!

thaiboxerken · 6th September 2010, 03:51 PM

I think the ditch analogy is a bit more accurate.

leftysergeant · 6th September 2010, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Cicero

Current unemployment rate 9.6%
When Bush 43 left office it was 8%

And it was not until after he was packing his bags that we realized how badly the Shrub had screwed up the ecconomy.

Quote:

The Republican POTUS and Republican controlled Congress budget had a deficit of $160 billion. The Democrat POTUS and Democrat controlled houses, budget will close at a $1.6 trillion deficit.

Accounting trick. They didn't include the money that the Shrub was stuffing down the rat hole in Iraq. Not to worry too much. One of Shrubby's biggest dirty tricks runs out in a couple months and the fat and useless class will have to start paying reasonable taxes again. that and the stand-down in Iraq should help.

Cicero · 6th September 2010, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Unemployment was on a downward trend when Bush left. It's on an upward trend now. Try again, Cic.

Keep repeating: Bush did it. Bush did it.

Juniversal · 6th September 2010, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Obama gave a great speech today punching the GOP right between the eyes. He pointed out that it was the GOP and it's ideology that led to the great recession. That it was their economic policies that we tried that brought our country to the toilet. He pointed out that they want to implement the same, failed policies again if they get into power. The GOP is the reason the democrats have had a very hard time getting anything done. That despite this, the DNC has done quite a bit.

Don't be silly. Obama has done absolutely nothing!! *sarcasm*

But seriously there's still some people out there that have the nerve to claim Obama has done "nothing". I wonder how much he has to do before his opponents admit he has done "something" (regardless if they agree with what he's done or not).

Cicero · 6th September 2010, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Juniversal

Don't be silly. Obama has done absolutely nothing!! *sarcasm*

Don't be silly. He hired 125,000 census workers.

thaiboxerken · 6th September 2010, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Cicero

Keep repeating: Bush did it. Bush did it.

No need to, it's self-evident. But you keep on apologizing for Bush, it won't fool anyone.

Trakar · 6th September 2010, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

We're standing down in Iraq. Major victory for rational thought.

A "major" victory would involve embracing that we were wrong to go in the first place.

For me, this speech and increasingly more of the WH words sound like electioneering, whereas the actions of WH lawyers and administration policy decisions seem a little too much like Bush-lite for my tastes and rational thoughts,...but worse, and a little bit less worse are about the only candidates the media will allow to compete for our votes, or so it seems.

The Charnel Expanse · 6th September 2010, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Cicero

The Republican POTUS and Republican controlled Congress budget had a deficit of $160 billion. The Democrat POTUS and Democrat controlled houses, budget will close at a $1.6 trillion deficit.

And that's why we have to keep the tax cuts for the top 2%, right?

...right?

Face it, "Conservative" Republicans only care about budget deficits when they're not setting the legislative agenda. Once they win the White House they inevitably increase the size of government and run massive deficits.
It happened under Reagan. It happened under Bush II and it'll happen under the next Republican president, whoever that may be.

Cicero · 6th September 2010, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

No need to, it's self-evident. But you keep on apologizing for Bush, it won't fool anyone.

Bush 43 hasn't been in office since January 2009. This is POTUS Obama's economy. It would appear that you are apologizing for POTUS Obama.

icerat · 6th September 2010, 04:19 PM

ahhh, now I understand the extraordinary (probably) fox-fueled rant by a right wing facebook friend. Here's just a part of his comments -

Obama has done all he could to take over American Financial institutions by forcing them to take bailouts even when several of them didn't want to, so the government had controling interest in their businesses. Same with the Auto industry and Health Care.

You don't have to delve too deep into Obama's history to see who his heros are. Most if not all are radicals, either Socialist or Communist. You can look at his friends; Ayers and Dorn, George Soros, Chavez, Castro, Chicago thugs, Jerimiah Wright, the Unions. Too many to name here.

His goal is to destroy America and all I can hope is that Americans will wake up and tell him to go to Hell. Fire his ass and the other Liberal democrats in Washington and replace them with people that LOVE America and want to see us be great like we once were.

Less Government, Less Regulations. Let the States run their states and Local governments run Local issues. Obama is about as EVIL as they come. The sooner he is gone, the better.

I'm not sure which part I found the most astounding.

Probably the idea that George Soros is a radical socialist/communist.

Cicero · 6th September 2010, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

We're standing down in Iraq. Major victory for rational thought.

Right. All U.S. forces have left the theater...............except for the 50,000 soldiers still there. That's more than the number of U.S. forces in South Korea.

thaiboxerken · 6th September 2010, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Cicero

Bush 43 hasn't been in office since January 2009. This is POTUS Obama's economy. It would appear that you are apologizing for POTUS Obama.

Right. Keep sipping on the slushy.

leftysergeant · 6th September 2010, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Cicero

Bush 43 hasn't been in office since January 2009. This is POTUS Obama's economy. It would appear that you are apologizing for POTUS Obama.

WRONG! The first year was with the Shrub's budget and the second year he was still saddled with the moron's tax-giveaways to the super-rich while everybody else's ability to pay taxes went down the toilet with their jobs.

We are suffering the after-effects of a cancer just recently removed. Recovery takes time.

Trakar · 6th September 2010, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Juniversal

Don't be silly. Obama has done absolutely nothing!! *sarcasm*

But seriously there's still some people out there that have the nerve to claim Obama has done "nothing". I wonder how much he has to do before his opponents admit he has done "something" (regardless if they agree with what he's done or not).

It doesn't take a lot of brain-power that figure out the duplicity of claiming someone has done nothing, and has done it all wrong, in the same breath, but people don't generally use reason when it comes to politics, its emotion and personal subjective opinions and beliefs. For most, its not what a person actually does/has done, its what they stand for, or claim to stand for. Scary stuff.

The Charnel Expanse · 6th September 2010, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by icerat

ahhh, now I understand the extraordinary (probably) fox-fueled rant by a right wing facebook friend. Here's just a part of his comments -

Obama has done all he could to take over American Financial institutions by forcing them to take bailouts even when several of them didn't want to, so the government had controling interest in their businesses. Same with the Auto industry and Health Care.

You don't have to delve too deep into Obama's history to see who his heros are. Most if not all are radicals, either Socialist or Communist. You can look at his friends; Ayers and Dorn, George Soros, Chavez, Castro, Chicago thugs, Jerimiah Wright, the Unions. Too many to name here.

His goal is to destroy America and all I can hope is that Americans will wake up and tell him to go to Hell. Fire his ass and the other Liberal democrats in Washington and replace them with people that LOVE America and want to see us be great like we once were.

Less Government, Less Regulations. Let the States run their states and Local governments run Local issues. Obama is about as EVIL as they come. The sooner he is gone, the better.

I'm not sure which part I found the most astounding.

Probably the idea that George Soros is a radical socialist/communist.

See, I couldn't imagine having friends like that on Facebook or in any other context. Not because I don't agree with him but because he's clearly divorced from reality.

Trakar · 6th September 2010, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Cicero

Right. All U.S. forces have left the theater...............except for the 50,000 soldiers still there. That's more than the number of U.S. forces in South Korea.

Valid points, IMO

Tricky · 6th September 2010, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Cicero

Bush 43 hasn't been in office since January 2009. This is POTUS Obama's economy. It would appear that you are apologizing for POTUS Obama.

Starting with a pretty good surplus, Bush had eight years to set the direction of the economy, much of it with both houses in GOP hands. Obama has had less than two years to try and get it back to some semblance of the shape it was when Bush took over. Things are better, but not good. At least we're out of the death spiral we were in at the end of 2008. But the Democrats will pay anyway. The American People are not known for their long memories, a fact that the GOP will exploit. The Dems trying to remind us of why we're here in the first place won't work. That's just politics.

icerat · 6th September 2010, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by The Charnel Expanse

See, I couldn't imagine having friends like that on Facebook or in any other context. Not because I don't agree with him but because he's clearly divorced from reality.

Never met the guy in real life, we have some common business interests. I regularly come close to removing him on FB, but I think he plays a useful role in helping me understand the divorced from reality nature of US politics.

Cicero · 6th September 2010, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by icerat

You can look at his friends; Jerimiah Wright,

Is Michelle Obama responsible for the Jeremiah Wright fiasco?

"What can it be that has kept Obama in Wright's pews, and at Wright's mercy, for so long and at such a heavy cost to his aspirations?"

By Christopher Hitchens

http://www.slate.com/id/2190589/

Quote:

I'm not sure which part I found the most astounding.

Christopher Hitchens found the above part astounding.

leftysergeant · 6th September 2010, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Cicero

[b]Christopher Hitchens found the above part astounding.

Hitchens will probably find reality astounding if he ever sobers up.

Cicero · 6th September 2010, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Tricky

At least we're out of the death spiral we were in at the end of 2008.

Right. We ran out of gas.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4w...lling-hare_fun

Cicero · 6th September 2010, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Hitchens will probably find reality astounding if he ever sobers up.

I'm sure the cancer stricken Hitch will appreciate your advice.

The Charnel Expanse · 6th September 2010, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Cicero

Is Michelle Obama responsible for the Jeremiah Wright fiasco?

"What can it be that has kept Obama in Wright's pews, and at Wright's mercy, for so long and at such a heavy cost to his aspirations?"

By Christopher Hitchens

http://www.slate.com/id/2190589/

Christopher Hitchens found the above part astounding.

Michelle Obama isn't president and Jeremiah Wright isn't relevant.

Next...

Cicero · 6th September 2010, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by The Charnel Expanse

Michelle Obama isn't president and Jeremiah Wright isn't relevant.

Next...

And Bush 43 ain't the POTUS.

Next....

The Charnel Expanse · 6th September 2010, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Cicero

I'm sure the cancer stricken Hitch will appreciate your advice.

Given that Hitchens is dying of esophageal cancer, the primary cause of which is excessive alcohol consumption, it's probably advice he should have taken.
No disrespect to Hitchens, but he really made his own bed.

The Charnel Expanse · 6th September 2010, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Cicero

And Bush 43 ain't the POTUS.

Next....

This all-or-nothing game you're playing is pretty tiresome. Every president from Reagan to Obama deserves a share of the blame for the current recession. We can argue over who deserves the biggest share, but to say that just because GWB is no longer president, he shouldn't figure into the discussion is really dishonest.

seewhatflows · 6th September 2010, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by The Charnel Expanse

This all-or-nothing game you're playing is pretty tiresome. Every president from Reagan to Obama deserves a share of the blame for the current recession. We can argue over who deserves the biggest share, but to say that just because GWB is no longer president, he shouldn't figure into the discussion is really dishonest.

amen.

icerat · 6th September 2010, 05:14 PM

Anyone who thinks it only takes 19 months to completely make or break a countries economy doesn't know much about economics.

Well, I suppose you could break it in that time

6th September 2010, 02:17 PM	#1
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 20,960	It's about time, Obama! Finally, you grow a pair! Obama gave a great speech today punching the GOP right between the eyes. He pointed out that it was the GOP and it's ideology that led to the great recession. That it was their economic policies that we tried that brought our country to the toilet. He pointed out that they want to implement the same, failed policies again if they get into power. The GOP is the reason the democrats have had a very hard time getting anything done. That despite this, the DNC has done quite a bit. It's about time, President. I hope you keep this up, as we need your leadership to keep the party of no out of office and to keep this country on it's upward trend. We need you to remind the people that it was the GOP who wrecked the car but is trying to blame the accident on the DNC. To remind the people that the GOP should not have the keys again until they learn responsibility. Thank you, Obama, and do NOT take your fighting gloves off.
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6th September 2010, 02:23 PM	#2
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6th September 2010, 02:24 PM	#3
Cobalt Tobikan Judan Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,631	Ah, yes, "It's THEIR fault! Not ours!" How's hope and change coming along again?
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6th September 2010, 02:29 PM	#4
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 20,960	Originally Posted by Cobalt Ah, yes, "It's THEIR fault! Not ours!" How's hope and change coming along again? It's a call to NOT re-live what the GOP sent us through. I don't want to do that again. Do you?
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6th September 2010, 02:33 PM	#5
The Charnel Expanse Muse Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: The Transition Hospital Posts: 940	Originally Posted by Cobalt How's hope and change coming along again? Incrementally better than "compassionate conservatism" or whatever other nonsense slogan the last administration threw at us.
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6th September 2010, 02:54 PM	#6
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	Originally Posted by Cobalt Ah, yes, "It's THEIR fault! Not ours!" How's hope and change coming along again? We're standing down in Iraq. Major victory for rational thought.
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6th September 2010, 03:07 PM	#7
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6th September 2010, 03:37 PM	#8
shemp Timothy, Timothy, where on earth did you go? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: trapped in a cave-in with Joe Posts: 12,885	Ah yes, the good old Labor Day speech. It must be getting close to elction time again. Wake me when the recession ends and the criminals who got us here have been hanged.
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6th September 2010, 03:40 PM	#9
Cicero Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 7,861	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken It's about time, President. I hope you keep this up, as we need your leadership to keep the party of no out of office and to keep this country on it's upward trend. Current unemployment rate 9.6% When Bush 43 left office it was 8% The Democrats have controlled Congress since January 2007. 7 million people have lost their jobs since the Democrats took over Congress. The Republican POTUS and Republican controlled Congress budget had a deficit of $160 billion. The Democrat POTUS and Democrat controlled houses, budget will close at a $1.6 trillion deficit. Quote: Thank you, Obama, and do NOT take your fighting gloves off. Perhaps POTUS Obama should take off the kid gloves?
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6th September 2010, 03:44 PM	#10
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 20,960	Unemployment was on a downward trend when Bush left. It's on an upward trend now. Try again, Cic.
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6th September 2010, 03:48 PM	#11
seewhatflows Scholar Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 73	Originally Posted by Cicero Current unemployment rate 9.6% When Bush 43 left office it was 8% The Democrats have controlled Congress since January 2007. 7 million people have lost their jobs since the Democrats took over Congress. The Republican POTUS and Republican controlled Congress budget had a deficit of $160 billion. The Democrat POTUS and Democrat controlled houses, budget will close at a $1.6 trillion deficit. Perhaps POTUS Obama should take off the kid gloves? Because the effects of change in policy/administration on the economy can always be seen IMMEDIATELY, right?

6th September 2010, 03:50 PM	#12
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6th September 2010, 03:51 PM	#13
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 20,960	I think the ditch analogy is a bit more accurate.
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6th September 2010, 03:56 PM	#14
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	Originally Posted by Cicero Current unemployment rate 9.6% When Bush 43 left office it was 8% And it was not until after he was packing his bags that we realized how badly the Shrub had screwed up the ecconomy. Quote: The Republican POTUS and Republican controlled Congress budget had a deficit of $160 billion. The Democrat POTUS and Democrat controlled houses, budget will close at a $1.6 trillion deficit. Accounting trick. They didn't include the money that the Shrub was stuffing down the rat hole in Iraq. Not to worry too much. One of Shrubby's biggest dirty tricks runs out in a couple months and the fat and useless class will have to start paying reasonable taxes again. that and the stand-down in Iraq should help.
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6th September 2010, 03:59 PM	#15
Cicero Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 7,861	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken Unemployment was on a downward trend when Bush left. It's on an upward trend now. Try again, Cic. Keep repeating: Bush did it. Bush did it.
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6th September 2010, 04:00 PM	#16
Juniversal CIA + FBI + NWO Employee Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cincinnati, USA Posts: 1,845	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken Obama gave a great speech today punching the GOP right between the eyes. He pointed out that it was the GOP and it's ideology that led to the great recession. That it was their economic policies that we tried that brought our country to the toilet. He pointed out that they want to implement the same, failed policies again if they get into power. The GOP is the reason the democrats have had a very hard time getting anything done. That despite this, the DNC has done quite a bit. Don't be silly. Obama has done absolutely nothing!! sarcasm But seriously there's still some people out there that have the nerve to claim Obama has done "nothing". I wonder how much he has to do before his opponents admit he has done "something" (regardless if they agree with what he's done or not).
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6th September 2010, 04:06 PM	#17
Cicero Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 7,861	Originally Posted by Juniversal Don't be silly. Obama has done absolutely nothing!! sarcasm Don't be silly. He hired 125,000 census workers.
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6th September 2010, 04:09 PM	#18
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 20,960	Originally Posted by Cicero Keep repeating: Bush did it. Bush did it. No need to, it's self-evident. But you keep on apologizing for Bush, it won't fool anyone.
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6th September 2010, 04:14 PM	#19
Trakar Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,920	Originally Posted by leftysergeant We're standing down in Iraq. Major victory for rational thought. A "major" victory would involve embracing that we were wrong to go in the first place. For me, this speech and increasingly more of the WH words sound like electioneering, whereas the actions of WH lawyers and administration policy decisions seem a little too much like Bush-lite for my tastes and rational thoughts,...but worse, and a little bit less worse are about the only candidates the media will allow to compete for our votes, or so it seems.
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6th September 2010, 04:15 PM	#20
The Charnel Expanse Muse Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: The Transition Hospital Posts: 940	Originally Posted by Cicero The Republican POTUS and Republican controlled Congress budget had a deficit of $160 billion. The Democrat POTUS and Democrat controlled houses, budget will close at a $1.6 trillion deficit. And that's why we have to keep the tax cuts for the top 2%, right? ...right? Face it, "Conservative" Republicans only care about budget deficits when they're not setting the legislative agenda. Once they win the White House they inevitably increase the size of government and run massive deficits. It happened under Reagan. It happened under Bush II and it'll happen under the next Republican president, whoever that may be.
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6th September 2010, 04:17 PM	#21
Cicero Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 7,861	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken No need to, it's self-evident. But you keep on apologizing for Bush, it won't fool anyone. Bush 43 hasn't been in office since January 2009. This is POTUS Obama's economy. It would appear that you are apologizing for POTUS Obama.
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6th September 2010, 04:19 PM	#22
icerat Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: sweden Posts: 3,132	ahhh, now I understand the extraordinary (probably) fox-fueled rant by a right wing facebook friend. Here's just a part of his comments - Obama has done all he could to take over American Financial institutions by forcing them to take bailouts even when several of them didn't want to, so the government had controling interest in their businesses. Same with the Auto industry and Health Care. You don't have to delve too deep into Obama's history to see who his heros are. Most if not all are radicals, either Socialist or Communist. You can look at his friends; Ayers and Dorn, George Soros, Chavez, Castro, Chicago thugs, Jerimiah Wright, the Unions. Too many to name here. His goal is to destroy America and all I can hope is that Americans will wake up and tell him to go to Hell. Fire his ass and the other Liberal democrats in Washington and replace them with people that LOVE America and want to see us be great like we once were. Less Government, Less Regulations. Let the States run their states and Local governments run Local issues. Obama is about as EVIL as they come. The sooner he is gone, the better. I'm not sure which part I found the most astounding. Probably the idea that George Soros is a radical socialist/communist.
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6th September 2010, 04:20 PM	#23
Cicero Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 7,861	Originally Posted by leftysergeant We're standing down in Iraq. Major victory for rational thought. Right. All U.S. forces have left the theater...............except for the 50,000 soldiers still there. That's more than the number of U.S. forces in South Korea.
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6th September 2010, 04:21 PM	#24
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 20,960	Originally Posted by Cicero Bush 43 hasn't been in office since January 2009. This is POTUS Obama's economy. It would appear that you are apologizing for POTUS Obama. Right. Keep sipping on the slushy.
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6th September 2010, 04:22 PM	#26
Trakar Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,920	Originally Posted by Juniversal Don't be silly. Obama has done absolutely nothing!! sarcasm But seriously there's still some people out there that have the nerve to claim Obama has done "nothing". I wonder how much he has to do before his opponents admit he has done "something" (regardless if they agree with what he's done or not). It doesn't take a lot of brain-power that figure out the duplicity of claiming someone has done nothing, and has done it all wrong, in the same breath, but people don't generally use reason when it comes to politics, its emotion and personal subjective opinions and beliefs. For most, its not what a person actually does/has done, its what they stand for, or claim to stand for. Scary stuff.
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6th September 2010, 04:22 PM	#27
The Charnel Expanse Muse Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: The Transition Hospital Posts: 940	Originally Posted by icerat ahhh, now I understand the extraordinary (probably) fox-fueled rant by a right wing facebook friend. Here's just a part of his comments - Obama has done all he could to take over American Financial institutions by forcing them to take bailouts even when several of them didn't want to, so the government had controling interest in their businesses. Same with the Auto industry and Health Care. You don't have to delve too deep into Obama's history to see who his heros are. Most if not all are radicals, either Socialist or Communist. You can look at his friends; Ayers and Dorn, George Soros, Chavez, Castro, Chicago thugs, Jerimiah Wright, the Unions. Too many to name here. His goal is to destroy America and all I can hope is that Americans will wake up and tell him to go to Hell. Fire his ass and the other Liberal democrats in Washington and replace them with people that LOVE America and want to see us be great like we once were. Less Government, Less Regulations. Let the States run their states and Local governments run Local issues. Obama is about as EVIL as they come. The sooner he is gone, the better. I'm not sure which part I found the most astounding. Probably the idea that George Soros is a radical socialist/communist. See, I couldn't imagine having friends like that on Facebook or in any other context. Not because I don't agree with him but because he's clearly divorced from reality.
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6th September 2010, 04:23 PM	#28
Trakar Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,920	Originally Posted by Cicero Right. All U.S. forces have left the theater...............except for the 50,000 soldiers still there. That's more than the number of U.S. forces in South Korea. Valid points, IMO
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6th September 2010, 04:28 PM	#29
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,359	Originally Posted by Cicero Bush 43 hasn't been in office since January 2009. This is POTUS Obama's economy. It would appear that you are apologizing for POTUS Obama. Starting with a pretty good surplus, Bush had eight years to set the direction of the economy, much of it with both houses in GOP hands. Obama has had less than two years to try and get it back to some semblance of the shape it was when Bush took over. Things are better, but not good. At least we're out of the death spiral we were in at the end of 2008. But the Democrats will pay anyway. The American People are not known for their long memories, a fact that the GOP will exploit. The Dems trying to remind us of why we're here in the first place won't work. That's just politics.

6th September 2010, 04:30 PM	#30
icerat Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: sweden Posts: 3,132	Originally Posted by The Charnel Expanse See, I couldn't imagine having friends like that on Facebook or in any other context. Not because I don't agree with him but because he's clearly divorced from reality. Never met the guy in real life, we have some common business interests. I regularly come close to removing him on FB, but I think he plays a useful role in helping me understand the divorced from reality nature of US politics.
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6th September 2010, 04:34 PM	#31
Cicero Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 7,861	Originally Posted by icerat You can look at his friends; Jerimiah Wright, Is Michelle Obama responsible for the Jeremiah Wright fiasco? "What can it be that has kept Obama in Wright's pews, and at Wright's mercy, for so long and at such a heavy cost to his aspirations?" By Christopher Hitchens http://www.slate.com/id/2190589/ Quote: I'm not sure which part I found the most astounding. Christopher Hitchens found the above part astounding.
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6th September 2010, 04:41 PM	#32
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	Originally Posted by Cicero [b]Christopher Hitchens found the above part astounding. Hitchens will probably find reality astounding if he ever sobers up.
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6th September 2010, 04:47 PM	#33
Cicero Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 7,861	Originally Posted by Tricky At least we're out of the death spiral we were in at the end of 2008. Right. We ran out of gas. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4w...lling-hare_fun
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6th September 2010, 04:50 PM	#34
Cicero Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 7,861	Originally Posted by leftysergeant Hitchens will probably find reality astounding if he ever sobers up. I'm sure the cancer stricken Hitch will appreciate your advice.
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6th September 2010, 04:51 PM	#35
The Charnel Expanse Muse Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: The Transition Hospital Posts: 940	Originally Posted by Cicero Is Michelle Obama responsible for the Jeremiah Wright fiasco? "What can it be that has kept Obama in Wright's pews, and at Wright's mercy, for so long and at such a heavy cost to his aspirations?" By Christopher Hitchens http://www.slate.com/id/2190589/ Christopher Hitchens found the above part astounding. Michelle Obama isn't president and Jeremiah Wright isn't relevant. Next...
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6th September 2010, 04:52 PM	#36
Cicero Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 7,861	Originally Posted by The Charnel Expanse Michelle Obama isn't president and Jeremiah Wright isn't relevant. Next... And Bush 43 ain't the POTUS. Next....
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