Recession ended in June 2009 - Page 4

BeAChooser · 15th October 2010, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by lomiller

As drkitten points out, however, nothing in your post reflects realty.

So you claiming all those links I supplied on unemployment changes over time in Germany and the US aren't reality?

So you are claiming that the SDP (sorry, I dyslexically abbreviated it SPD in the my post) didn't come to power when I said and go in and out of power as I noted?

So you are claiming that all those European sources I supplied that indicate Germany didn't do what you claim it did are just wrong?

So you are claiming that all those European news sources and financial news sources that I supplied that say strong export growth is what drove Germany's recover are wrong?

And what did you supply to prove what you claim? One article from a far left, obama supporting blog?

Perhaps you've just been misleading readers by making them think that Germany's "stimulus" efforts were the similar to what Obama and democrats pushed through in the US, when all along they weren't? My articles would suggest they weren't. My articles (and I could post many more) suggest they tried something entirely different than the "stimulus" of Obama and company.

And I've simply pointed out that logically it's no more than a guess on their part that what they did try is the real source of their recovery. Like I noted, since we've seen recoveries after deep recessions that were just as rapid as Germany has seen, in case after case where no massive stimulus and nothing equivalent to kurzarbeit was tried, how can they or you be certain that kurzarbeit (their version of *stimulus*) was the real cause of Germany's recovery? Maybe it would have happened anyway, as long as they didn't do what the US (under Bush and Obama) and so many other struggling European countries decided to do?

angrysoba · 15th October 2010, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by lomiller

Ironically BaC provided the very data he's trying dodge. Not only that he provided it, insisted we comment, then tried to change the subject when I did!

I'm glad someone else has noticed BaC's MO.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...&postcount=579

BeAChooser · 15th October 2010, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

I'm glad someone else has noticed BaC's MO.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...&postcount=579

I hope EVERYONE takes a close look at the thread that post you linked comes from, angrysoba. Because then they will learn your "MO", that you debate like a Truther.

NewtonTrino · 15th October 2010, 10:10 PM

I like the idea of spending some money on infrastructure. All of you should pony up and start paying your fair share in taxes like I do.

Dorian Gray · 16th October 2010, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by BeAChooser

I hope EVERYONE takes a close look at the thread that post you linked comes from, angrysoba. Because then they will learn your "MO", that you debate like a Truther.

Nope, unfortunately for you what I noticed was that angrysoba is right. You change subjects like spent ammunition clips for BB guns, not realizing you're hemorrhaging from self-inflicted wounds - hard to do with BBs, but you are an expert at failure.

BeAChooser · 18th October 2010, 04:47 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/143714/Ga...d-October.aspx

Quote:

Gallup Finds U.S. Unemployment at 10.0% in Mid-October

kuroyume0161 · 18th October 2010, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by NewtonTrino

I like the idea of spending some money on infrastructure. All of you should pony up and start paying your fair share in taxes like I do.

I have always paid my taxes, usually my unfair share.

Yes, our infrastructure, especially bridges, levies, and dams, is becoming (if not already) outdated. It was constructed to be replaced in 50 years and some of it is beyond that. Some of it is in failure mode, such as that bridge collapse in Minnesota in 2007. Much of it gets failing marks for integrity. New roads, bridges, dams, levies, pipes (as in the numerous mains breaks recently), buildings, railways not only increase employment but improve safety and reduce injuries and fatalities from failures.

The U.S. is slowly reaching for that Second World status...

15th October 2010, 03:30 PM	#121
BeAChooser Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,716	Originally Posted by lomiller As drkitten points out, however, nothing in your post reflects realty. So you claiming all those links I supplied on unemployment changes over time in Germany and the US aren't reality? So you are claiming that the SDP (sorry, I dyslexically abbreviated it SPD in the my post) didn't come to power when I said and go in and out of power as I noted? So you are claiming that all those European sources I supplied that indicate Germany didn't do what you claim it did are just wrong? So you are claiming that all those European news sources and financial news sources that I supplied that say strong export growth is what drove Germany's recover are wrong? And what did you supply to prove what you claim? One article from a far left, obama supporting blog? Perhaps you've just been misleading readers by making them think that Germany's "stimulus" efforts were the similar to what Obama and democrats pushed through in the US, when all along they weren't? My articles would suggest they weren't. My articles (and I could post many more) suggest they tried something entirely different than the "stimulus" of Obama and company. And I've simply pointed out that logically it's no more than a guess on their part that what they did try is the real source of their recovery. Like I noted, since we've seen recoveries after deep recessions that were just as rapid as Germany has seen, in case after case where no massive stimulus and nothing equivalent to kurzarbeit was tried, how can they or you be certain that kurzarbeit (their version of stimulus) was the real cause of Germany's recovery? Maybe it would have happened anyway, as long as they didn't do what the US (under Bush and Obama) and so many other struggling European countries decided to do?
BeAChooser Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,716

15th October 2010, 09:57 PM	#123
BeAChooser Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,716	Originally Posted by angrysoba I'm glad someone else has noticed BaC's MO. http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...&postcount=579 I hope EVERYONE takes a close look at the thread that post you linked comes from, angrysoba. Because then they will learn your "MO", that you debate like a Truther.
BeAChooser Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,716

16th October 2010, 06:34 AM	#125
Dorian Gray Hypocrisy Detector Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 20,207	Originally Posted by BeAChooser I hope EVERYONE takes a close look at the thread that post you linked comes from, angrysoba. Because then they will learn your "MO", that you debate like a Truther. Nope, unfortunately for you what I noticed was that angrysoba is right. You change subjects like spent ammunition clips for BB guns, not realizing you're hemorrhaging from self-inflicted wounds - hard to do with BBs, but you are an expert at failure.
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18th October 2010, 04:47 PM	#126
BeAChooser Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,716	http://www.gallup.com/poll/143714/Ga...d-October.aspx Quote: Gallup Finds U.S. Unemployment at 10.0% in Mid-October
BeAChooser Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,716

15th October 2010, 07:44 PM	#122
angrysoba Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 8,881	Originally Posted by lomiller Ironically BaC provided the very data he's trying dodge. Not only that he provided it, insisted we comment, then tried to change the subject when I did! I'm glad someone else has noticed BaC's MO. http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...&postcount=579

15th October 2010, 10:10 PM	#124
NewtonTrino Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bothell, WA Posts: 3,803	I like the idea of spending some money on infrastructure. All of you should pony up and start paying your fair share in taxes like I do.

18th October 2010, 11:55 PM	#127
kuroyume0161 Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Loveland, CO, USA Posts: 1,628	Originally Posted by NewtonTrino I like the idea of spending some money on infrastructure. All of you should pony up and start paying your fair share in taxes like I do. I have always paid my taxes, usually my unfair share. Yes, our infrastructure, especially bridges, levies, and dams, is becoming (if not already) outdated. It was constructed to be replaced in 50 years and some of it is beyond that. Some of it is in failure mode, such as that bridge collapse in Minnesota in 2007. Much of it gets failing marks for integrity. New roads, bridges, dams, levies, pipes (as in the numerous mains breaks recently), buildings, railways not only increase employment but improve safety and reduce injuries and fatalities from failures. The U.S. is slowly reaching for that Second World status...