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bigjelmapro · 2nd October 2010, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by a_unique_person

It was another one of Netanyahu's loopholes. Prior to the official freeze, the number of starts was increased, so that during the freeze, there was plenty of extra construction work going on anyway.

And the connection of these illegal 'new building sites' to the Israeli government is where again? If there's evidence to suggest that the government authorized this, then present it, rather than this post hoc allegation that there is a connection to these 'new building sites' as presented...

Do you understand now?

Thunder · 2nd October 2010, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by bigjelmapro

And the connection of these illegal 'new building sites' to the Israeli government is where again? If there's evidence to suggest that the government authorized this, then present it, rather than this post hoc allegation that there is a connection to these 'new building sites' as presented...

Do you understand now?

Israel is planning on retroactively authorizing illegal settlements.

mortimer · 2nd October 2010, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Thunder

Israel is planning on retroactively authorizing illegal settlements.

Yes, it's just a first step towards their plan to take over the world.

bit_pattern · 2nd October 2010, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by mortimer

Yes, it's just a first step towards their plan to take over the world.

No, just to killing the peace process, and keeping the American's happy for a few more years by portraying the Arabs as the recalcitrants, giving them a chance to tighten the screws on the occupation and get in a few more wars with Hamas and Hezbollah before the next president and the next "peace" charade.

Thunder · 2nd October 2010, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by mortimer

Yes, it's just a first step towards their plan to take over the world.

I didn't realize you believed in anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.

mortimer · 2nd October 2010, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Thunder

I didn't realize you believed in anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.

Believe me, I was just as surprised to find out the same about you.

Only, my response was intended as satire about unsourced conspiracies. Somehow, I doubt the post I replied to was intended as satire.

Certainly, you have evidence to back up your bold claim that Israel intends to retroactively legalize illegal settlement activity.

Thunder · 2nd October 2010, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by mortimer

Certainly, you have evidence to back up your bold claim that Israel intends to retroactively legalize illegal settlement activity.

of course, I do. why else would I make such a claim?

unlike right-wing Zionists, I do not make such accusations without knowing I can prove it.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national...sEnabled=false

http://peacenow.org/entries/archive4690 (Go to Outpost Shellgame)

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/12/30/i...-construction/

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/ISRAEL...NK.-a064039372

mortimer · 2nd October 2010, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Thunder

of course, I do. why else would I make such a claim?

unlike right-wing Zionists, I do not make such accusations without knowing I can prove it.

Feel free to do so, then. You might even win $1M in the process.

a_unique_person · 2nd October 2010, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by mortimer

Yes, it's just a first step towards their plan to take over the world.

No.

bigjelmapro · 3rd October 2010, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by mortimer

Yes, it's just a first step towards their plan to take over the world.

Eh? According to some radical Muslim clerics, the Jews have already taken over the world...

bigjelmapro · 3rd October 2010, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by Thunder

unlike right-wing Zionists, I do not make such accusations without knowing I can prove it.

You make baseless claims all the time. Pure comedy.

Thunder · 3rd October 2010, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by bigjelmapro

You make baseless claims all the time. Pure comedy.

really? prove it.

show me an example of a claim that I made that I did not prove when challenged, refused to prove, or did not recant when I found it was wrong.

put up or shut up, Bigjel.

mortimer · 3rd October 2010, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by Thunder

really? prove it.

show me an example of a claim that I made that I did not prove when challenged, refused to prove, or did not recant when I found it was wrong.

put up or shut up, Bigjel.

Here ya go.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...31&postcount=1

Pardalis · 3rd October 2010, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by a_unique_person

No.

Everything alright AUP?

Everybody can see that Mortimer was being sarcastic, except you. I wonder why that is. It takes a certain level of sophistication to have a sense of humor, and some people just don't have it.

a_unique_person · 4th October 2010, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by Pardalis

Everything alright AUP?

Everybody can see that Mortimer was being sarcastic, except you. I wonder why that is. It takes a certain level of sophistication to have a sense of humor, and some people just don't have it.

It completely avoided Thunder's point by just making an absurd statement.

Quote:

The hilltop on which the illegal outpost Givat Hayovel sits will be a busy place in the coming days, and not because you can see the Jordan Valley from there. Its height is expected to be the next excuse for legitimizing an illegal act carried out there. The Israel Defense Forces will tell the High Court of Justice that the hill is a "commanding height" where the IDF's presence is essential. So it's important to set up a community there.
This is a kind of magic act - the IDF has discovered that it needs these sites just when it has to raze the homes of two officers killed in battle - majors Eliraz Peretz and Ro'i Klein. There is no better combination than "commanding heights" and bereavement to legitimize a crime. Not only did the chief of staff promise to do everything to gain the necessary authorization to prevent the razing of the homes, but even Peace Now, in a humanitarian gesture, withdrew its petition on demolishing the officers' homes.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...crime-1.284467

bigjelmapro · 4th October 2010, 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by Thunder

really? prove it.

show me an example of a claim that I made that I did not prove when challenged, refused to prove, or did not recant when I found it was wrong.

put up or shut up, Bigjel.

Haha, right Parky. Last time I did this, you stated all were derails and still avoided them. Its a proven fact that you make baseless claims all the time.

Thunder · 4th October 2010, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by bigjelmapro

Its a proven fact that you make baseless claims all the time.

is it?

give me some examples of claims I have made, that I have refused to back up.

Thunder · 4th October 2010, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by mortimer

Here ya go.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...31&postcount=1

I pointed out evidence to back up this claim. you FAIL.

mortimer · 4th October 2010, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by Thunder

I pointed out evidence to back up this claim. you FAIL.

Actually, your own evidence disproved your claim.

Thunder · 4th October 2010, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by mortimer

Actually, your own evidence disproved your claim.

wrong. very very wrong. try again.

mortimer · 4th October 2010, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Thunder

wrong. very very wrong. try again.

How about you return to the thread where you made this claim. The thread you abandoned after being proven wrong?

Thunder · 4th October 2010, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by mortimer

How about you return to the thread where you made this claim. The thread you abandoned after being proven wrong?

how about you provide evidence for your claims.

mortimer · 4th October 2010, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Thunder

how about you provide evidence for your claims.

I did. In the thread you started and abandoned. I'm not going to continue derailing this thread just to continue pointing out the false claim you made in another thread and abandoned.

ETA: Just in case you forgot, here's the thread: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=187402

Thunder · 4th October 2010, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by mortimer

I'm not going to continue derailing this thread

err...nothings ever stopped you before.

bigjelmapro · 5th October 2010, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by Thunder

is it?

give me some examples of claims I have made, that I have refused to back up.

There's an ongoing, real-time one in another thread at this very moment.

Even the hapless one that's the OP of this thread is a 2nd example.

I don't expect this to be the last one either.

Thunder · 5th October 2010, 05:10 AM

Originally Posted by bigjelmapro

There's an ongoing, real-time one in another thread at this very moment.

Even the hapless one that's the OP of this thread is a 2nd example.

I don't expect this to be the last one either.

you have a major claim, awaiting evidence..my friend.

bigjelmapro · 6th October 2010, 12:17 PM

Not really.

Thunder · 6th October 2010, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by bigjelmapro

Not really.

i will remind you of this little event, every time you accuse me of not backing up my claims. your lack of respect for academic skepticism is noted.

bigjelmapro · 7th October 2010, 09:30 AM

No, Parky, you can't play this card when there's nothing for you to play to begin with.

Nice try though.

Thunder · 7th October 2010, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by bigjelmapro

No, Parky, you can't play this card when there's nothing for you to play to begin with.

I am not the only one to ask you for evidence for your claim. But I will remind everyone at JREF, how you respond to requests for evidence and sources for your claims.

And I will NOT respond to any request from you, for evidence or sources, until you finally address the request made to you.

bigjelmapro · 8th October 2010, 01:45 AM

I've addressed it. You're still using it as a deflection in answering 'of their own accord' in that thread. Simple as that.

Thunder · 8th October 2010, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by bigjelmapro

I've addressed it. You're still using it as a deflection in answering 'of their own accord' in that thread. Simple as that.

folks who are not forced out by a deportation or exile decree, leave on their own accord. just as my ancestors fled the bigotry and violence in Imperial Russia in 1984, on their own accord. they were not forced out or ordered to leave Russia.

just like many of the Jews of the Middle East. they were not ordered to leave. they CHOSE to leave.

it is a LIE to sat that all the Jews from the Middle East were deported or exiled.

bigjelmapro · 9th October 2010, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by Thunder

folks who are not forced out by a deportation or exile decree, leave on their own accord. just as my ancestors fled the bigotry and violence in Imperial Russia in 1984, on their own accord. they were not forced out or ordered to leave Russia.

just like many of the Jews of the Middle East. they were not ordered to leave. they CHOSE to leave.

it is a LIE to sat that all the Jews from the Middle East were deported or exiled.

And yet, you still haven't found a link that supports this 'on their own accord' in reference to Jews in the NA and ME regions. The 1980's Soviet strawman doesn't support 'on their own accord' either.

Try again.

Just out of curiosity though, do you think there were no Arabs residing in 1948 Israel and the territories that left 'on their own accord'?

Thunder · 9th October 2010, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by bigjelmapro

And yet, you still haven't found a link that supports this 'on their own accord' in reference to Jews in the NA and ME regions. The 1980's Soviet strawman doesn't support 'on their own accord' either.

more BS games from you, I see.

It is estimated that 800,000 to 1,000,000 Jews were forced from their homes or fled the Arab countries from 1948 until the early 1970s; 260,000 reached Israel between 1948–1951, and 600,000 by 1972.[2][3][4] The Jews of Egypt and Libya were expelled while those of Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon and North Africa left as a result of physical and political insecurity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_...e_of_expulsion

bigjelmapro · 9th October 2010, 11:56 PM

Again, how does the above help you one iota in your 'on their own accord' claim? Its doesn't. This contradicts it.

DC · 10th October 2010, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by bigjelmapro

Again, how does the above help you one iota in your 'on their own accord' claim? Its doesn't. This contradicts it.

you mean poeple that flee to other countries in a war are all expelled?

Thunder · 10th October 2010, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by bigjelmapro

Again, how does the above help you one iota in your 'on their own accord' claim? Its doesn't. This contradicts it.

folks who are not expelled.......are not expelled.

its that simple.

no expulsion order? then you are not expelled.

just like my ancestors, who left Russia under threat and severe duress. but they were not expelled.

stop playing dumb.

FireGarden · 10th October 2010, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by Thunder

folks who are not expelled.......are not expelled.

its that simple.

no expulsion order? then you are not expelled.

just like my ancestors, who left Russia under threat and severe duress. but they were not expelled.

stop playing dumb.

In Syria, Morocco (and others, I suppose) there were actually laws preventing Jews from leaving. Jews left even while the laws were in place and the international community encouraged the lifting of such laws, which were clearly oppressive.

Maybe bigjel conciders escaping to be the same as being expelled.

bigjelmapro · 10th October 2010, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by FireGarden

In Syria, Morocco (and others, I suppose) there were actually laws preventing Jews from leaving. Jews left even while the laws were in place and the international community encouraged the lifting of such laws, which were clearly oppressive.

Maybe bigjel conciders escaping to be the same as being expelled.

Not discussing whether there were laws preventing expulsion of Jews but the baseless argument Parky put forth that stated that Jews left 'on their own accord'. Quite a difference.

Unlike a good deal of the Arabs that fled Israel proper which fled during wartime between the Israel and the Arab league nations in '48 and the disinformation ploy citing rampant massacres, rape and so forth of the Haganah against Arabs, Jews from Arab countries fled due to fear and persecution from violence/rioting, land appropriations, having their citizenship revoked, property (which was officially owned) taken, and/or bank accounts appropriated by the Arab countries.

An example of this was the statements by Heykal Pasha, which can be read here in part:

Why Jews Fled the Arab Countries

Make note that a portion of the expulsions and/or fleeing of Jews in Arab countries occurred prior to the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948.

All this refutes the dimwitted argument of Parky of 'on their own accord'. Laws in a few Arabs countries that prevented Jews from escaping doesn't support this argument either in addition to it actually being a quite laughable defense.

bigjelmapro · 10th October 2010, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by Thunder

folks who are not expelled.......are not expelled.

its that simple.

no expulsion order? then you are not expelled.

just like my ancestors, who left Russia under threat and severe duress. but they were not expelled.

stop playing dumb.

Your thickness precedes you again. Now its a defense of whether there was an expulsion order or not. If there wasn't one, then Jews left 'on their own accord'.

Stellar logic.

2nd October 2010, 09:21 AM	#201
bigjelmapro Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,505	Originally Posted by a_unique_person It was another one of Netanyahu's loopholes. Prior to the official freeze, the number of starts was increased, so that during the freeze, there was plenty of extra construction work going on anyway. And the connection of these illegal 'new building sites' to the Israeli government is where again? If there's evidence to suggest that the government authorized this, then present it, rather than this post hoc allegation that there is a connection to these 'new building sites' as presented... Do you understand now?
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2nd October 2010, 04:58 PM	#204
bit_pattern Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,349	Originally Posted by mortimer Yes, it's just a first step towards their plan to take over the world. No, just to killing the peace process, and keeping the American's happy for a few more years by portraying the Arabs as the recalcitrants, giving them a chance to tighten the screws on the occupation and get in a few more wars with Hamas and Hezbollah before the next president and the next "peace" charade.
bit_pattern Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,349	__________________ "You are the epitome of the 'pigeon playing chess'. No matter how good I am at chess, you are just going to knock the pieces over, **** on the board and strut around like you've won something" "In this political climate, all of science is vulnerable to ideological attack when reality disagrees with political beliefs."

2nd October 2010, 06:11 PM	#207
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by mortimer Certainly, you have evidence to back up your bold claim that Israel intends to retroactively legalize illegal settlement activity. of course, I do. why else would I make such a claim? unlike right-wing Zionists, I do not make such accusations without knowing I can prove it. http://www.haaretz.com/news/national...sEnabled=false http://peacenow.org/entries/archive4690 (Go to Outpost Shellgame) http://news.antiwar.com/2009/12/30/i...-construction/ http://www.thefreelibrary.com/ISRAEL...NK.-a064039372
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2nd October 2010, 06:30 PM	#209
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Mt Disappointment Posts: 33,327	Originally Posted by mortimer Yes, it's just a first step towards their plan to take over the world. No.
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3rd October 2010, 06:57 AM	#210
bigjelmapro Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,505	Originally Posted by mortimer Yes, it's just a first step towards their plan to take over the world. Eh? According to some radical Muslim clerics, the Jews have already taken over the world...
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2nd October 2010, 09:22 AM	#202
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by bigjelmapro And the connection of these illegal 'new building sites' to the Israeli government is where again? If there's evidence to suggest that the government authorized this, then present it, rather than this post hoc allegation that there is a connection to these 'new building sites' as presented... Do you understand now? Israel is planning on retroactively authorizing illegal settlements.

2nd October 2010, 04:49 PM	#203
mortimer NWO Janitor Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,476	Originally Posted by Thunder Israel is planning on retroactively authorizing illegal settlements. Yes, it's just a first step towards their plan to take over the world.

2nd October 2010, 05:51 PM	#205
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by mortimer Yes, it's just a first step towards their plan to take over the world. I didn't realize you believed in anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.

2nd October 2010, 06:08 PM	#206
mortimer NWO Janitor Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,476	Originally Posted by Thunder I didn't realize you believed in anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. Believe me, I was just as surprised to find out the same about you. Only, my response was intended as satire about unsourced conspiracies. Somehow, I doubt the post I replied to was intended as satire. Certainly, you have evidence to back up your bold claim that Israel intends to retroactively legalize illegal settlement activity.

2nd October 2010, 06:16 PM	#208
mortimer NWO Janitor Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,476	Originally Posted by Thunder of course, I do. why else would I make such a claim? unlike right-wing Zionists, I do not make such accusations without knowing I can prove it. Feel free to do so, then. You might even win $1M in the process.

3rd October 2010, 07:11 AM	#211
bigjelmapro Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,505	Originally Posted by Thunder unlike right-wing Zionists, I do not make such accusations without knowing I can prove it. You make baseless claims all the time. Pure comedy.
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3rd October 2010, 03:52 PM	#212
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by bigjelmapro You make baseless claims all the time. Pure comedy. really? prove it. show me an example of a claim that I made that I did not prove when challenged, refused to prove, or did not recant when I found it was wrong. put up or shut up, Bigjel.
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3rd October 2010, 08:28 PM	#213
mortimer NWO Janitor Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,476	Originally Posted by Thunder really? prove it. show me an example of a claim that I made that I did not prove when challenged, refused to prove, or did not recant when I found it was wrong. put up or shut up, Bigjel. Here ya go. http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...31&postcount=1

3rd October 2010, 09:21 PM	#214
Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 25,831	Originally Posted by a_unique_person No. Everything alright AUP? Everybody can see that Mortimer was being sarcastic, except you. I wonder why that is. It takes a certain level of sophistication to have a sense of humor, and some people just don't have it.
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4th October 2010, 01:08 AM	#215
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Mt Disappointment Posts: 33,327	Originally Posted by Pardalis Everything alright AUP? Everybody can see that Mortimer was being sarcastic, except you. I wonder why that is. It takes a certain level of sophistication to have a sense of humor, and some people just don't have it. It completely avoided Thunder's point by just making an absurd statement. Quote: The hilltop on which the illegal outpost Givat Hayovel sits will be a busy place in the coming days, and not because you can see the Jordan Valley from there. Its height is expected to be the next excuse for legitimizing an illegal act carried out there. The Israel Defense Forces will tell the High Court of Justice that the hill is a "commanding height" where the IDF's presence is essential. So it's important to set up a community there. This is a kind of magic act - the IDF has discovered that it needs these sites just when it has to raze the homes of two officers killed in battle - majors Eliraz Peretz and Ro'i Klein. There is no better combination than "commanding heights" and bereavement to legitimize a crime. Not only did the chief of staff promise to do everything to gain the necessary authorization to prevent the razing of the homes, but even Peace Now, in a humanitarian gesture, withdrew its petition on demolishing the officers' homes. http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...crime-1.284467
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4th October 2010, 02:49 AM	#216
bigjelmapro Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,505	Originally Posted by Thunder really? prove it. show me an example of a claim that I made that I did not prove when challenged, refused to prove, or did not recant when I found it was wrong. put up or shut up, Bigjel. Haha, right Parky. Last time I did this, you stated all were derails and still avoided them. Its a proven fact that you make baseless claims all the time.
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4th October 2010, 07:22 AM	#217
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by bigjelmapro Its a proven fact that you make baseless claims all the time. is it? give me some examples of claims I have made, that I have refused to back up.

4th October 2010, 07:23 AM	#218
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by mortimer Here ya go. http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...31&postcount=1 I pointed out evidence to back up this claim. you FAIL.

4th October 2010, 08:02 AM	#219
mortimer NWO Janitor Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,476	Originally Posted by Thunder I pointed out evidence to back up this claim. you FAIL. Actually, your own evidence disproved your claim.

4th October 2010, 11:01 AM	#220
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by mortimer Actually, your own evidence disproved your claim. wrong. very very wrong. try again.

4th October 2010, 01:07 PM	#221
mortimer NWO Janitor Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,476	Originally Posted by Thunder wrong. very very wrong. try again. How about you return to the thread where you made this claim. The thread you abandoned after being proven wrong?

4th October 2010, 01:08 PM	#222
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by mortimer How about you return to the thread where you made this claim. The thread you abandoned after being proven wrong? how about you provide evidence for your claims.

4th October 2010, 05:33 PM	#223
mortimer NWO Janitor Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,476	Originally Posted by Thunder how about you provide evidence for your claims. I did. In the thread you started and abandoned. I'm not going to continue derailing this thread just to continue pointing out the false claim you made in another thread and abandoned. ETA: Just in case you forgot, here's the thread: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=187402

4th October 2010, 05:46 PM	#224
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by mortimer I'm not going to continue derailing this thread err...nothings ever stopped you before.

5th October 2010, 12:02 AM	#225
bigjelmapro Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,505	Originally Posted by Thunder is it? give me some examples of claims I have made, that I have refused to back up. There's an ongoing, real-time one in another thread at this very moment. Even the hapless one that's the OP of this thread is a 2nd example. I don't expect this to be the last one either.
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5th October 2010, 05:10 AM	#226
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by bigjelmapro There's an ongoing, real-time one in another thread at this very moment. Even the hapless one that's the OP of this thread is a 2nd example. I don't expect this to be the last one either. you have a major claim, awaiting evidence..my friend.

6th October 2010, 12:17 PM	#227
bigjelmapro Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,505	Not really.
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6th October 2010, 12:23 PM	#228
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by bigjelmapro Not really. i will remind you of this little event, every time you accuse me of not backing up my claims. your lack of respect for academic skepticism is noted.

7th October 2010, 09:30 AM	#229
bigjelmapro Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,505	No, Parky, you can't play this card when there's nothing for you to play to begin with. Nice try though.
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7th October 2010, 10:43 AM	#230
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by bigjelmapro No, Parky, you can't play this card when there's nothing for you to play to begin with. I am not the only one to ask you for evidence for your claim. But I will remind everyone at JREF, how you respond to requests for evidence and sources for your claims. And I will NOT respond to any request from you, for evidence or sources, until you finally address the request made to you.

8th October 2010, 01:45 AM	#231
bigjelmapro Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,505	I've addressed it. You're still using it as a deflection in answering 'of their own accord' in that thread. Simple as that.
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8th October 2010, 06:31 AM	#232
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by bigjelmapro I've addressed it. You're still using it as a deflection in answering 'of their own accord' in that thread. Simple as that. folks who are not forced out by a deportation or exile decree, leave on their own accord. just as my ancestors fled the bigotry and violence in Imperial Russia in 1984, on their own accord. they were not forced out or ordered to leave Russia. just like many of the Jews of the Middle East. they were not ordered to leave. they CHOSE to leave. it is a LIE to sat that all the Jews from the Middle East were deported or exiled.

9th October 2010, 01:19 AM	#233
bigjelmapro Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,505	Originally Posted by Thunder folks who are not forced out by a deportation or exile decree, leave on their own accord. just as my ancestors fled the bigotry and violence in Imperial Russia in 1984, on their own accord. they were not forced out or ordered to leave Russia. just like many of the Jews of the Middle East. they were not ordered to leave. they CHOSE to leave. it is a LIE to sat that all the Jews from the Middle East were deported or exiled. And yet, you still haven't found a link that supports this 'on their own accord' in reference to Jews in the NA and ME regions. The 1980's Soviet strawman doesn't support 'on their own accord' either. Try again. Just out of curiosity though, do you think there were no Arabs residing in 1948 Israel and the territories that left 'on their own accord'?
bigjelmapro Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,505	Last edited by bigjelmapro; 9th October 2010 at 01:21 AM.

9th October 2010, 08:01 AM	#234
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by bigjelmapro And yet, you still haven't found a link that supports this 'on their own accord' in reference to Jews in the NA and ME regions. The 1980's Soviet strawman doesn't support 'on their own accord' either. more BS games from you, I see. It is estimated that 800,000 to 1,000,000 Jews were forced from their homes or fled the Arab countries from 1948 until the early 1970s; 260,000 reached Israel between 1948–1951, and 600,000 by 1972.[2][3][4] The Jews of Egypt and Libya were expelled while those of Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon and North Africa left as a result of physical and political insecurity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_...e_of_expulsion

9th October 2010, 11:56 PM	#235
bigjelmapro Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,505	Again, how does the above help you one iota in your 'on their own accord' claim? Its doesn't. This contradicts it.
bigjelmapro Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,505