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Old 24th September 2010, 03:41 PM   #1
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"bottled water is evil"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se12y9hSOM0

I am skeptical of the idea that 50 billion bottles are consumed a year. How many are reused and how frequently?

As well as that, what's the citation for the claim that billions of bottles are produced each year?
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Old 24th September 2010, 08:50 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by NWO Sentryman View Post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se12y9hSOM0

I am skeptical of the idea that 50 billion bottles are consumed a year. How many are reused and how frequently?

As well as that, what's the citation for the claim that billions of bottles are produced each year?
According to:
http://www.icbwa.org/2000-2003_Zenit...ting_Stats.pdf

153,083,000,000 litres of bottled water were sold in 2003.

Looks like the 50 billion bottle figure is too low.

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It's the pricing that I find absurd -- absurd that greedy bottling companies charge it, and that evidently easily-duped consumers pay it.

I worked for PepsiCo in 1999 -- as the Executive Assistant to the General Manager of the Austin branch -- and I spoke with managers who observed the irony that the same water used to make Pepsi and other beverages was sold, unflavored, for higher prices than flavored beverages with added ingredients that cost more to produce.

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Old 24th September 2010, 10:37 PM   #4
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I drink a bottle of water every day while driving to and from work. I have only ever bought one bottle in my life. I refill it from the Tap in my kitchen with water I have already paid for.
It's not that I am a tight git, I just don't like paying for things twice.
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Old 24th September 2010, 10:40 PM   #6
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Excuse me?
You've got a lot to answer for.
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Originally Posted by BottledWater View Post
Excuse me?
People consistently choose tap water over you.
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If you are against bottled water you should be against all bottled beverages.

Sometimes it's worth it to the consumer and sometimes I prefer an ice-cold water to any other beverage. I would not buy bottled water to take home and put in my fridge though. My tap water is quite nice.
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Old 25th September 2010, 07:11 AM   #9
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I have often tried to imagine the board meeting at which someone made the first presentation on "manufacturing" and selling bottled water.

I hear the gales of laughter from the assembled members.
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Old 25th September 2010, 07:41 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
If you are against bottled water you should be against all bottled beverages.

Sometimes it's worth it to the consumer and sometimes I prefer an ice-cold water to any other beverage. I would not buy bottled water to take home and put in my fridge though. My tap water is quite nice.
I don't know about your house, but mine doesn't have a beer tap.
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Old 25th September 2010, 08:25 AM   #11
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I have often tried to imagine the board meeting at which someone made the first presentation on "manufacturing" and selling bottled water.

I hear the gales of laughter from the assembled members.
'Exacly. Who would ever believe that you could convince people to pay for something that comes for free out of a tap, several of which are routinely installed in every house built? This when most of the world's population can't safely drink the water that comes out of their taps. Oh help my sides are splitting.

The most expensive? Bling is $40 for 750ml, but I think there was a Fijian mountain water that sold for more at one time.

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The most expensive? Bling is $40 for 750ml, but I think there was a Fijian mountain water that sold for more at one time.

From your link: Proving the old adage that it's really easy to get rich people to fork over cash for stupid reasons
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This is a rather West-Centric thread. Quite a number of us drink bottled water out of necessity. Seveal whole continents of us, in fact.
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
This is a rather West-Centric thread. Quite a number of us drink bottled water out of necessity. Seveal whole continents of us, in fact.
Which was why I emphasised the point that this (i.e. credulous people buying water in bottles at the supermarket, water that is in many cases more contaminated that the free stuff that comes out of the tap) happens in nations where it is safe to drink tap water and in much of the world that isn't the case. Clearly, if your tap water is not safe to drink it is a different matter.

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The only time I have bought bottled water is when my job used to take me around the UK. The change in taste from place to place was quite surprising, and stomach upsetting!
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Could be fear of the unknown. Many of my former neighbors drank well water that was contaminated by a fuel pipeline leak, for years. Bottled water is unlikely to be contaminated in the long term.

Still, I see no reason to buy the little bottles when the gallon jugs of distilled or filtered water are so much cheaper.
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Which was why I emphasised the point that this (i.e. credulous people buying water in bottles at the supermarket, water that is in many cases more contaminated that the free stuff that comes out of the tap) happens in nations where it is safe to drink tap water and in much of the world that isn't the case. Clearly, if your tap water is not safe to drink it is a different matter.

Contaminated bottled water has become a concern over here, also. The big boys (Bonaqua/Coke and Watson's - a sort of Boots style pharmacy and superstore chain) are running competing ads on the purity.

In HK it's so much that the tap water is dangerous, but that it tastes like crap. It has a horrible metallic taste to it. I believe we're also in an area with dangerously high levels of fluoride in the water table. Mostly, though it's the taste.

The high cost isn't the water - it's the advertising and the logistics, obviously.
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Originally Posted by Mirrorglass View Post
I don't know about your house, but mine doesn't have a beer tap.
Nor mine, but my local pub has several.
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In HK it's so much that the tap water is dangerous, but that it tastes like crap. It has a horrible metallic taste to it.
Here in Arizona it's the same problem on the opposite side of the spectrum. Tap water has this horrible alkalai taste.
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I don't know about your house, but mine doesn't have a beer tap.
One day people will care enough to see that even the poorest people have the basic necessities. I am sad for our species.
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Originally Posted by Piscivore View Post
Here in Arizona it's the same problem on the opposite side of the spectrum. Tap water has this horrible alkalai taste.
Does the taste improve if you put it through a filter jug? If that works, then wouldn't that be cheaper and more convenient than buying water at the supermarket?

The taste of tap water varies a lot depending where you are in the UK, but I personally have never found it undrinkable. London tap water's pretty iffy taste-wise, but filtering, or boiling it and adding a tea bag, does wonders.
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In HK it's so much that the tap water is dangerous, but that it tastes like crap. It has a horrible metallic taste to it. I believe we're also in an area with dangerously high levels of fluoride in the water table. Mostly, though it's the taste.
One of the safest in the world, according to this site. I'm not sure what level of fluoride the WHO would consider safe in drinking water, and what criteria are used in setting that level. Of course, a simple filter jug would not remove fluoride, you'd need a reverse osmosis system fitted under your sink to do that.

Personally, I would avoid too much fluoride, in drinking water or elsewhere, and I'm against compulsory fluoridation of water supplies, which has been introduced in some areas of the UK.

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The high cost isn't the water - it's the advertising and the logistics, obviously.
I guess if people want to pay for that, then they can go right ahead.
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I drink a bottle of water every day while driving to and from work. I have only ever bought one bottle in my life. I refill it from the Tap in my kitchen with water I have already paid for.
It's not that I am a tight git, I just don't like paying for things twice.
Which sounds great until you realise that your average plastic waterbottle is only meant to be used once and as a result reusing it tends to result in an interesting mix of bacteria and materials that have leached from the plastic. For reuse stainless steel is probably your best bet.
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Which sounds great until you realise that your average plastic waterbottle is only meant to be used once and as a result reusing it tends to result in an interesting mix of bacteria and materials that have leached from the plastic. For reuse stainless steel is probably your best bet.
I've been re-filling a plastic water bottle from the tap and taking it into hot yoga (a steamy, sweaty, stranger-filled haven for bacterial growth) for years. I do this until the bottle falls apart and I'm not dead yet. I can't help thinking that in the modern age some elements of Western society have become too adverse to a few microbes, when it's exposure to them that builds strong immunity. However, I agree a stainless steel job is a good choice, for longevity if nothing else. I just haven't got round to buying one yet.

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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post

The high cost isn't the water - it's the advertising and the logistics, obviously.
Interesting point. When we moved to Greece we bought bottled water for a short while, until we realised the piped water in the village was excellent.
But when I bought that first 6 pack of 1.5L bottles I assumed the price I saw was for a single bottle, and that even then it was quite cheap compared to the UK.
I'd say that, in the UK at least, there's an insanely high premium on bottled water that more reflects public neurosis and snobbery than any commercial cost.
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As long as we're on the topic of cost.....

Who pays how much where you are for a liter of locally bottled (not chi-chi stuff like Perrier or Pellegrino) water. I can get two litres for 10 HK$, roughly USD 1.25 or 0.63 a litre. That's at a 7/11 or Circle K convenience store. In bulk it's about half that price.

ETA: Liter / litre. My years of switching back and forth from USA to members(former members in case of HK) of the Commonwealth is showing.
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
As long as we're on the topic of cost.....

Who pays how much where you are for a liter of locally bottled (not chi-chi stuff like Perrier or Pellegrino) water. I can get two litres for 10 HK$, roughly USD 1.25 or 0.63 a litre. That's at a 7/11 or Circle K convenience store. In bulk it's about half that price.

ETA: Liter / litre. My years of switching back and forth from USA to members(former members in case of HK) of the Commonwealth is showing.
Hi Foolmewunz. It works at cheapest at the big store (Tesco) if bought in 1.5 or 2 ltr bottles:

Tesco own brand English Spring Still Water 39p (£0.39) for 2 ltrs
Volvic 58p for 1.5 ltrs
Evian 77p for 2 ltrs
Brecon Carreg 53p for 2 ltrs

Current exchange rate on xe.com: £1.00 GBP = 12.2706 HKD

But as everyone pays water rates we've all already paid for it out of the tap, and the water where I live on the south coast tastes better than fine. But I still see people buying it by the crateload in my local store. Must be such a palavar getting it home and storing it too.

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One day people will care enough to see that even the poorest people have the basic necessities. I am sad for our species.
Too many rich people are afraid of free loaders getting something they don't deserve for this to happen. Which really makes me angry.

ETA: By "rich" I mean relatively affluent. Say, US citizens making $50,000 a year would qualify.
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People consistently choose tap water over you.
And they should.
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I drink a bottle of water every day while driving to and from work. I have only ever bought one bottle in my life. I refill it from the Tap in my kitchen with water I have already paid for.
It's not that I am a tight git, I just don't like paying for things twice.
But that's not what the topic of consuming bottled water is really about. You could as well have bought an empty re-usable bottle and filled it with tap water always. What you describe doesn't differ meaningfully from that.

Selling bottled water to most Americans has always struck me as the proverbial "selling ice to an Eskimo". I know there are some rare exceptions where the municipal water supply isn't good, but that doesn't account for MOST bottled water sales.

I'm amazed that fully half the litter I see around here is comprised of empty water bottles when St. Louis has one of the best municipal water systems, and most of us have un-metered water (so using more water costs us exactly nothing, and even bottled water users still need water service for bathing, washing dishes, etc.)

The only argument I hear is "convenience". But it's only convenient (and barely so) if you ignore most of the equation. It's certainly not convenient to ship water around in trucks burning fossil fuels rather than using existing pipelines. It's not convenient to dispose of the bottles (even by recycling them) compared to not. And it's not convenient for me to have to pick up the litter all the time.
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I don't drink as much water as I should. Even so, my water comes from a well and has a very strange taste and smell to it. I am guilty of buying bottles of water a few times a year. I should buy a filter for my sink.
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Originally Posted by JoeTheJuggler View Post
But that's not what the topic of consuming bottled water is really about. ....

Selling bottled water to most Americans has always struck me as the proverbial "selling ice to an Eskimo". I know there are some rare exceptions where the municipal water supply isn't good, but that doesn't account for MOST bottled water sales.
The o/p isn't about America. MOST applies to the entire world, and in many places the piped supply might well be dodgy.
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Our university just went plastic-bottle-free. (as well as smoke-free; leading to the sight of dozens of individuals standing on the sidewalk several times a day...)
Not only is bottled water not superior to most tap water in any way (at least in Western countries), the resources to produce and ship the bottles are considerable. I understand most are produced in China and shipped abroad by cargo vessel.... Not ideal from the carbon-footprint standpoint.
Some years back, when bottled "designer" waters were just starting to be big sellers, our local tabloid newspaper did a taste-test with a random group of individuals.
The winner? St. Louis county water, straight from the tap.
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The o/p isn't about America. MOST applies to the entire world, and in many places the piped supply might well be dodgy.
True. That's why I specified America.

At any rate, I'm sure the U.S. consumes more bottled water than any other nation. I used some bottled water when I lived in Ecuador, but there, you refilled glass bottles most of the time (and that's all I ever did). I also had a pressure cooker, and I boiled 2 gallons every day to use for iced tea and drinking water.
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Our university just went plastic-bottle-free. (as well as smoke-free; leading to the sight of dozens of individuals standing on the sidewalk several times a day...)
Not only is bottled water not superior to most tap water in any way (at least in Western countries), the resources to produce and ship the bottles are considerable. I understand most are produced in China and shipped abroad by cargo vessel.... Not ideal from the carbon-footprint standpoint.
Some years back, when bottled "designer" waters were just starting to be big sellers, our local tabloid newspaper did a taste-test with a random group of individuals.
The winner? St. Louis county water, straight from the tap.
Amen! And ditto, St. Louis City water.

I think we were rated the best in the U.S. not so long ago. Ah--here it is: http://www.stlwater.com/bestwater.php

Even using test data (measuring pollutants and what not) rather than taste, St. Louis City ranks in the top 10: http://www.stlwater.com/bestwater.php

There is no reason anyone here should pay for bottled water!
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I am guilty of buying bottled. There is evidence to suggest tap water contains high levels of oestrogen contamination due to recycled urine entering the water supply, that has worked is way through numerous female users of the contraceptive pill. However, I am now told that bottled water has this too.

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Originally Posted by Le Jab View Post
I am guilty of buying bottled. There is evidence to suggest tap water contains high levels of oestrogen contamination due to recycled urine entering the water supply, that has worked is way through numerous female users of the contraceptive pill. However, I am now told that bottled water has this too.
Good to know. I thought I was getting sentimental in my old age, as I've taken to watching old Lifestyle Channel Movies (classics like Bobby Beat Me But Now I'm Getting Better) and sniffling through them. Now I know it's all those wimmen peeing that's causing it.

Note: Estrogen does NOT have to come from women's urine. It's a man-made component that is in the plastic. The original studies on estrogen in water were concerned with it leeching out of plastic bottles. There are studies, however, that show that trace amounts of every-day pharmaceuticals are showing up in the water supply in miniscule amounts.
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"Source - Sidcup local water supply"....

Reminds me of my favorite "scam". The WTC towers were built with their famous central service core, but water was piped only to the restrooms. Individual offices had no water taps. Everyone was required to buy from the "approved" water supplier, Polar Bear. And the plastic cap on the five gallon jugs read, "Source - New York City Water Supply". Thirty feet away you could go run the tap in the Ladies Room and get the same stuff for free, but we were buying five gallon jugs of "Ooooh, bottled water. It's better for your health...." of the same stuff! Every tenant in the building did it!
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Originally Posted by Le Jab View Post
I am guilty of buying bottled. There is evidence to suggest tap water contains high levels of oestrogen contamination due to recycled urine entering the water supply, that has worked is way through numerous female users of the contraceptive pill. However, I am now told that bottled water has this too.
Exactly. Unless it's from deep underground springs whether tap or bottle it's all coming from somewhere in the same system anyway. As Foolmewunz points out, there are numerous chemicals in bottled water, phthalates being one that gets particularly bad press.

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