Open Letter to Dave Thomas - Page 20

carlitos · 16th October 2010, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by BigAl

When plastic rugs and furniture burns what happens ?

What happens when these things burn, and you don't have a line of sight to them, like when they are in the center of a building 20 floors above your head, and you're busy working and looking the other way?

How's that?

ETA:

Originally Posted by BigAl

A smoldering fire and a raging fire are just as hot.

No kidding. I forget who it was here, that kept not understanding the barbeque analogy.

ergo · 16th October 2010, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by BigAl

A smoldering fire and a raging fire are just as hot.

Which is why you can roast weenies over a smoking, green-wood camp fire?

BigAl · 16th October 2010, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by ergo

You see flames.

Wrong again. Stinking black smoke, mostly.

This is the second time you've been shown this.

Quote:

...A fire in a building with modern fittings and materials generates smoke that is thick and black, obscures vision, causes great difficulty in breathing and can block the escape routes.

From:

Fire Safety Risk Assessment - Small and Medium Places of Assembly
Published 5 June 2006
Type(s) Manuals, leaflets and booklets, Good practice and guidance
Site Fire and resilience
ISBN 978 1 85112 820 4
Price .12.00 (free to download below)

http://www.communities.gov.uk/public...iresafetyrisk7

bill smith · 16th October 2010, 03:20 PM

NIST, after their many years of study of these newly publicly released videos and photographs concluded that no structural damage from WTC1 contributed to the collapse of WTC7.

If it should turn out to be otherwise NIST will have even more questions to provide inventive answers for.
.

ergo · 16th October 2010, 03:22 PM

Big Al, burning synthetics still produces flames.

ergo · 16th October 2010, 03:24 PM

And anyway, fire seeks combustible material. It doesn't limit itself to a few rooms out of politeness. The WTC 7 "burned", as you yourselves say, for 6 hours.

BigAl · 16th October 2010, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

NIST, after their many years of study of these newly publicly released videos and photographs concluded that no structural damage from WTC1 contributed to the collapse of WTC7.

.

Correct. Unfought fire caused the collapse.

bill smith · 16th October 2010, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by BigAl

And then for an unfought fire in a steel-frame building, the building probably collapses. WTC7 did.

Smouldering fires do not radiate much heat Al.

BigAl · 16th October 2010, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Smouldering fires do not radiate much heat Al.

Simplify much?

Temperature is a function of input (combustion) and output (convection, radiation and conduction). An enclosed smoldering fire can be as hot as open flame.

T.A.M. · 16th October 2010, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by BigAl

Simplify much?

Temperature is a function of input (combustion) and output (convection, radiation and conduction). An enclosed smoldering fire can be as hot as open flame.

ask the smithy.

TAM

ergo · 16th October 2010, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by BigAl

Simplify much?

Temperature is a function of input (combustion) and output (convection, radiation and conduction).

Lol. Which is why smoldering fires don't produce the same amount of heat.

bill smith · 16th October 2010, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by BigAl

Simplify much?

Temperature is a function of input (combustion) and output (convection, radiation and conduction). An enclosed smoldering fire can be as hot as open flame.

Yes, but as you know that fiery heart is generally enclosed in a cooler exterior. If a steel girder for instance passed through the heart of fire that fire wouldn't burn for long because all the heat would soon be wicked aaway by the hundred-miles long contiguous steel frame of the building.

triforcharity · 16th October 2010, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by ergo

I don't think you guys understand the relationship between smoke and fire

Where there is smoke, there is fire. Always. Unless it's fake smoke.

Originally Posted by ergo

When you try to burn green or wet wood in a campfire, what happens?

The heat from the fire turns the water to steam, producing a "white" smoke.

It's steam mixed with smoke. Hence, the change in color.

BigAl · 16th October 2010, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by ergo

Lol. Which is why smoldering fires don't produce the same amount of heat.

Temperature is a function of input (combustion) and output (convection, radiation and conduction).

A smoldering fire deep inside WTC7 will have little convection and all the radiation and conduction will heat the steel and concrete and after some hours cause the steel frame to collapse.

triforcharity · 16th October 2010, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by ergo

Which is why you can roast weenies over a smoking, green-wood camp fire?

Sure, if you want nasty tasting hot dogs.

DGM · 16th October 2010, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by ergo

Lol. Which is why smoldering fires don't produce the same amount of heat.

Is it your claim now that there was not enough fuel in building 7 (Areas NIST predicted) to support the fires of the reported duration?

BigAl · 16th October 2010, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Yes, but as you know that fiery heart is generally enclosed in a cooler exterior. If a steel girder for instance passed through the hreart of fire that fire wouldn't burn for long because all the heat would soon be wicked aaway by the hundred-miles long contiguous steel frame of the building.

On your planet maybe.

triforcharity · 16th October 2010, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by BigAl

Simplify much?

Temperature is a function of input (combustion) and output (convection, radiation and conduction). An enclosed smoldering fire can be as hot as open flame.

Exactly. They don't understand how blacksmiths work either.

ergo · 16th October 2010, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by triforcharity

The heat from the fire turns the water to steam, producing a "white" smoke.

It's steam mixed with smoke. Hence, the change in color.

No. Green wood produces a thick, acrid smoke.

bill smith · 16th October 2010, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by BigAl

On your planet maybe.

You can always show us pictures of smouldering fires from your planet. But will we be impressed by their ferocity ?

ergo · 16th October 2010, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by DGM

Is it your claim now that there was not enough fuel in building 7 (Areas NIST predicted) to support the fires of the reported duration?

How do you get that conclusion from reading the last page of posts?

DGM · 16th October 2010, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by ergo

No. Green wood produces a thick, acrid smoke.

That would depend on the available oxygen supply. You really need to stop making such definitive statements.

ergo · 16th October 2010, 03:46 PM

Yes, because an open camp fire does have a limited supply of oxygen.

DGM · 16th October 2010, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by ergo

And anyway, fire seeks combustible material. It doesn't limit itself to a few rooms out of politeness. The WTC 7 "burned", as you yourselves say, for 6 hours.

Originally Posted by ergo

Lol. Which is why smoldering fires don't produce the same amount of heat.

Originally Posted by ergo

How do you get that conclusion from reading the last page of posts?

Where were you going here? Do you just post random thoughts or is there some sort of hidden coherency.

DGM · 16th October 2010, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by ergo

Yes, because an open camp fire does have a limited supply of oxygen.

Why, yes it does.

ergo · 16th October 2010, 03:49 PM

Maybe if you read the posts in between, you would understand.

Then again, maybe not.

DGM, you never answered my question about aetruth.info. WHere on that site can we "Learn the Truth" about Richard Gage?

DGM · 16th October 2010, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by ergo

Maybe if you read the posts in between, you would understand.

Then again, maybe not.

DGM, you never answered my question about aetruth.info. WHere on that site can we "Learn the Truth" about Richard Gage?

If I thought you could understand what you read I would point it out. This thread show this is not the case.

DGM · 16th October 2010, 04:01 PM

Ergo:
Still scratching your head over a campfire does not have an "infinite oxygen supply"?

bill smith · 16th October 2010, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by DGM

If I thought you could understand what you read I would point it out. This thread show this is not the case.

I don't know why we are arguing the ins and outs any more. It's over. 9/11 was an inside job.

We should be working on 'what now' .

beachnut · 16th October 2010, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by ergo

Lol. Which is why smoldering fires don't produce the same amount of heat.

False, as in a lie based on ignorance.

prove it

carlitos · 16th October 2010, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by ergo

DGM, you never answered my question...

Rather than the incredulity, the honest thing to do would be:

- My theory about what happened to building 7 at the WTC is _____________.
- <Insert whatever supposed anomaly "too much/not enough smoke" etc.> about this event is relevant to the above because ____________.

BigAl · 16th October 2010, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by ergo

Lol. Which is why smoldering fires don't produce the same amount of heat.

It's so easy to confuse heat and temperature if you've never passed a physics course.

BigAl · 16th October 2010, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

I don't know why we are arguing the ins and outs any more. It's over. 9/11 was an inside job.

Yup. It was the fire inside WTC7 that made it collapse.

Sword_Of_Truth · 16th October 2010, 04:12 PM

Why is this thread still going on when Dr. Thomas ended it halfway through the first page?

DGM · 16th October 2010, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

I don't know why we are arguing the ins and outs any more. It's over. 9/11 was an inside job.

We should be working on 'what now' .

Well Bill, I missed the memo. You can understand my confusion, I've been outside.

ozeco41 · 16th October 2010, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by BigAl

It's so easy to confuse heat and temperature if you've never passed a physics course.

Beat me to it.

Quite a few posts missed that point.

ergo · 16th October 2010, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by DGM

Ergo:
Still scratching your head over a campfire does not have an "infinite oxygen supply"?

No, but since you're obviously dying to tell us, go ahead.

ergo · 16th October 2010, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by BigAl

It's so easy to confuse heat and temperature if you've never passed a physics course.

So do tell us how the difference between heat and temperature is relevant to our discussion about smouldering versus open fires.

triforcharity · 16th October 2010, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by ergo

No. Green wood produces a thick, acrid smoke.

My apologies, you're correct. I spelled black in my head, put white in instead. Damn you beer!

Anyway, do you still stand by this "grey smoke doesn't come from raging fires" BS still?

BTW, the reason green wood produced black smoke, is because the heat is struggling to break the wood down, and it cannot completly do so. It causes creosote to form, which comes from the incomplete combustion of the material.

ozeco41 · 16th October 2010, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by ergo

So do tell us how the difference between heat and temperature is relevant to our discussion about smouldering versus open fires.

Probably of most relevance here is the fact that it is temperature which weakens steel.

16th October 2010, 03:16 PM	#761
carlitos "más divertido" Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 11,494	you're supposed to answer questions with questions! Originally Posted by BigAl When plastic rugs and furniture burns what happens ? What happens when these things burn, and you don't have a line of sight to them, like when they are in the center of a building 20 floors above your head, and you're busy working and looking the other way? How's that? ETA: Originally Posted by BigAl A smoldering fire and a raging fire are just as hot. No kidding. I forget who it was here, that kept not understanding the barbeque analogy.

16th October 2010, 03:16 PM	#762
ergo Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 3,854	Originally Posted by BigAl A smoldering fire and a raging fire are just as hot. Which is why you can roast weenies over a smoking, green-wood camp fire?
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16th October 2010, 03:19 PM	#763
BigAl Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,398	Originally Posted by ergo You see flames. Wrong again. Stinking black smoke, mostly. This is the second time you've been shown this. Quote: Quote: ...A fire in a building with modern fittings and materials generates smoke that is thick and black, obscures vision, causes great difficulty in breathing and can block the escape routes. From: Fire Safety Risk Assessment - Small and Medium Places of Assembly Published 5 June 2006 Type(s) Manuals, leaflets and booklets, Good practice and guidance Site Fire and resilience ISBN 978 1 85112 820 4 Price .12.00 (free to download below) http://www.communities.gov.uk/public...iresafetyrisk7
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16th October 2010, 03:20 PM	#764
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	NIST, after their many years of study of these newly publicly released videos and photographs concluded that no structural damage from WTC1 contributed to the collapse of WTC7. If it should turn out to be otherwise NIST will have even more questions to provide inventive answers for. .
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16th October 2010, 03:22 PM	#765
ergo Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 3,854	Big Al, burning synthetics still produces flames.
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16th October 2010, 03:24 PM	#766
ergo Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 3,854	And anyway, fire seeks combustible material. It doesn't limit itself to a few rooms out of politeness. The WTC 7 "burned", as you yourselves say, for 6 hours.
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16th October 2010, 03:24 PM	#767
BigAl Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,398	Originally Posted by bill smith NIST, after their many years of study of these newly publicly released videos and photographs concluded that no structural damage from WTC1 contributed to the collapse of WTC7. . Correct. Unfought fire caused the collapse.
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16th October 2010, 03:25 PM	#768
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by BigAl And then for an unfought fire in a steel-frame building, the building probably collapses. WTC7 did. Smouldering fires do not radiate much heat Al.
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16th October 2010, 03:30 PM	#769
BigAl Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,398	Originally Posted by bill smith Smouldering fires do not radiate much heat Al. Simplify much? Temperature is a function of input (combustion) and output (convection, radiation and conduction). An enclosed smoldering fire can be as hot as open flame.
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16th October 2010, 03:33 PM	#770
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	Originally Posted by BigAl Simplify much? Temperature is a function of input (combustion) and output (convection, radiation and conduction). An enclosed smoldering fire can be as hot as open flame. ask the smithy. TAM

16th October 2010, 03:34 PM	#771
ergo Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 3,854	Originally Posted by BigAl Simplify much? Temperature is a function of input (combustion) and output (convection, radiation and conduction). Lol. Which is why smoldering fires don't produce the same amount of heat.
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16th October 2010, 03:36 PM	#772
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by BigAl Simplify much? Temperature is a function of input (combustion) and output (convection, radiation and conduction). An enclosed smoldering fire can be as hot as open flame. Yes, but as you know that fiery heart is generally enclosed in a cooler exterior. If a steel girder for instance passed through the heart of fire that fire wouldn't burn for long because all the heat would soon be wicked aaway by the hundred-miles long contiguous steel frame of the building.
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16th October 2010, 03:37 PM	#773
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,155	Originally Posted by ergo I don't think you guys understand the relationship between smoke and fire Where there is smoke, there is fire. Always. Unless it's fake smoke. Originally Posted by ergo When you try to burn green or wet wood in a campfire, what happens? The heat from the fire turns the water to steam, producing a "white" smoke. It's steam mixed with smoke. Hence, the change in color.
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16th October 2010, 03:38 PM	#774
BigAl Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,398	Originally Posted by ergo Lol. Which is why smoldering fires don't produce the same amount of heat. Temperature is a function of input (combustion) and output (convection, radiation and conduction). A smoldering fire deep inside WTC7 will have little convection and all the radiation and conduction will heat the steel and concrete and after some hours cause the steel frame to collapse.
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16th October 2010, 03:38 PM	#775
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,155	Originally Posted by ergo Which is why you can roast weenies over a smoking, green-wood camp fire? Sure, if you want nasty tasting hot dogs.
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16th October 2010, 03:39 PM	#776
DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,311	Originally Posted by ergo Lol. Which is why smoldering fires don't produce the same amount of heat. Is it your claim now that there was not enough fuel in building 7 (Areas NIST predicted) to support the fires of the reported duration?
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16th October 2010, 03:39 PM	#777
BigAl Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,398	Originally Posted by bill smith Yes, but as you know that fiery heart is generally enclosed in a cooler exterior. If a steel girder for instance passed through the hreart of fire that fire wouldn't burn for long because all the heat would soon be wicked aaway by the hundred-miles long contiguous steel frame of the building. On your planet maybe.
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16th October 2010, 03:40 PM	#778
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,155	Originally Posted by BigAl Simplify much? Temperature is a function of input (combustion) and output (convection, radiation and conduction). An enclosed smoldering fire can be as hot as open flame. Exactly. They don't understand how blacksmiths work either.
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16th October 2010, 03:41 PM	#779
ergo Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 3,854	Originally Posted by triforcharity The heat from the fire turns the water to steam, producing a "white" smoke. It's steam mixed with smoke. Hence, the change in color. No. Green wood produces a thick, acrid smoke.
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16th October 2010, 03:42 PM	#780
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by BigAl On your planet maybe. You can always show us pictures of smouldering fires from your planet. But will we be impressed by their ferocity ?
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16th October 2010, 03:43 PM	#781
ergo Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 3,854	Originally Posted by DGM Is it your claim now that there was not enough fuel in building 7 (Areas NIST predicted) to support the fires of the reported duration? How do you get that conclusion from reading the last page of posts?
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16th October 2010, 03:43 PM	#782
DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,311	Originally Posted by ergo No. Green wood produces a thick, acrid smoke. That would depend on the available oxygen supply. You really need to stop making such definitive statements.
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16th October 2010, 03:46 PM	#783
ergo Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 3,854	Yes, because an open camp fire does have a limited supply of oxygen.
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16th October 2010, 03:47 PM	#784
DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,311	Originally Posted by ergo And anyway, fire seeks combustible material. It doesn't limit itself to a few rooms out of politeness. The WTC 7 "burned", as you yourselves say, for 6 hours. Originally Posted by ergo Lol. Which is why smoldering fires don't produce the same amount of heat. Originally Posted by ergo How do you get that conclusion from reading the last page of posts? Where were you going here? Do you just post random thoughts or is there some sort of hidden coherency.
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16th October 2010, 03:49 PM	#785
DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,311	Originally Posted by ergo Yes, because an open camp fire does have a limited supply of oxygen. Why, yes it does.
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16th October 2010, 03:49 PM	#786
ergo Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 3,854	Maybe if you read the posts in between, you would understand. Then again, maybe not. DGM, you never answered my question about aetruth.info. WHere on that site can we "Learn the Truth" about Richard Gage?
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16th October 2010, 03:53 PM	#787
DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,311	Originally Posted by ergo Maybe if you read the posts in between, you would understand. Then again, maybe not. DGM, you never answered my question about aetruth.info. WHere on that site can we "Learn the Truth" about Richard Gage? If I thought you could understand what you read I would point it out. This thread show this is not the case.
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16th October 2010, 04:01 PM	#788
DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,311	Ergo: Still scratching your head over a campfire does not have an "infinite oxygen supply"?
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16th October 2010, 04:01 PM	#789
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by DGM If I thought you could understand what you read I would point it out. This thread show this is not the case. I don't know why we are arguing the ins and outs any more. It's over. 9/11 was an inside job. We should be working on 'what now' .
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16th October 2010, 04:06 PM	#790
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 19,901	Originally Posted by ergo Lol. Which is why smoldering fires don't produce the same amount of heat. False, as in a lie based on ignorance. prove it

16th October 2010, 04:07 PM	#791
carlitos "más divertido" Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 11,494	LOL Originally Posted by ergo DGM, you never answered my question... Rather than the incredulity, the honest thing to do would be: - My theory about what happened to building 7 at the WTC is _____________. - <Insert whatever supposed anomaly "too much/not enough smoke" etc.> about this event is relevant to the above because ____________.

16th October 2010, 04:08 PM	#792
BigAl Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,398	Originally Posted by ergo Lol. Which is why smoldering fires don't produce the same amount of heat. It's so easy to confuse heat and temperature if you've never passed a physics course.
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16th October 2010, 04:10 PM	#793
BigAl Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,398	Originally Posted by bill smith I don't know why we are arguing the ins and outs any more. It's over. 9/11 was an inside job. Yup. It was the fire inside WTC7 that made it collapse.
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16th October 2010, 04:12 PM	#794
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Why is this thread still going on when Dr. Thomas ended it halfway through the first page?

16th October 2010, 04:14 PM	#795
DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,311	Originally Posted by bill smith I don't know why we are arguing the ins and outs any more. It's over. 9/11 was an inside job. We should be working on 'what now' . Well Bill, I missed the memo. You can understand my confusion, I've been outside.
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