What hated group(s) will be state-protected in 100 years?

CplFerro · 27th September 2010, 05:22 PM

Homosexuals come to mind as an analogous case. A hundred years ago there was nothing else it was worse to be than a homosexual. Even a traitor to one's country was at least a kind of "clean" criminal by comparison. But a sodomite? No chance.

Now, however, homosexuals trumpet their glory from the rooftops with parades, marriage laws, and are approaching media saturation (or supersaturation), and while Americans might be able to speak out against it, though they increasingly choose not to, many other Western countries have gone the whole hog and banned speech that offends homosexuals in principle.

My question is, what hated group or groups today will be state-protected, publicly celebrated, and otherwise be untouchable by a dwindling reservoir of potentially disgruntled people in a century's time?

JimBenArm · 27th September 2010, 05:32 PM

Probably Submarine Sailors. No one has anything nice to say about them.

Fnord · 27th September 2010, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by CplFerro

What hated group(s) will be state-protected in 100 years?

- Divorced fathers

- Heterosexuals

- Conservatives (fiscal or social)

- Opposite-sex Married Couples

- Traditional Nuclear Families

- Physically Repulsive People

- Free-Thinkers

Tailgater · 27th September 2010, 05:57 PM

Meter maids

Puppycow · 27th September 2010, 06:08 PM

Fat people. It will be defined as a disability and companies will have to accommodate them but won't be allowed to charge extra for any services. Special reserved seats will be set aside for them in each airplane. Fat jokes will be prosecuted as hate speech.

Jeff Corey · 27th September 2010, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Tailgater

Meter maids

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sinclairmcevoy · 27th September 2010, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by JimBenArm

Probably Submarine Sailors. No one has anything nice to say about them.

Don't you mean Submariners? I mean, c'mon, have you ever seen a submarine with sails???? Sheesh, no wonder people are always bashing them.

Cain · 27th September 2010, 07:11 PM

I don't think they're hated, but non-human primates might possess basic rights. Also, I wouldn't be extremely surprised to see an openly atheist president elected.

Dorian Gray · 27th September 2010, 07:17 PM

White males.

/close thread

Thunder · 27th September 2010, 07:25 PM

Muslim Jews.

Slimething · 27th September 2010, 07:33 PM

Gingers.

BenBurch · 27th September 2010, 07:33 PM

Non-atheists.

fagin · 28th September 2010, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by Slimething

Gingers.

That's just too extreme.

TragicMonkey · 28th September 2010, 07:01 AM

Pedophiles. It'll be diagnosed as a mental disorder in need of treatment, and it will be moved to being treated like a disease and not criminality. Hopefully the future people will have a cure for it, robot lasers or brain chemicals or whatever.

Fnord · 28th September 2010, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Dorian Gray

White males.

/close thread

Middle-Aged, Wealthy, Conservative, White Males.

Xephyr · 28th September 2010, 09:12 AM

Probably all of the current 'hated' groups...

But in a 100 years, new 'hated' groups will arise that are not currently.

Such as it goes.

DC · 28th September 2010, 09:14 AM

Humans

GStan · 28th September 2010, 09:24 AM

Redsox fans

ThatSoundAgain · 28th September 2010, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by CplFerro

Homosexuals come to mind as an analogous case. A hundred years ago there was nothing else it was worse to be than a homosexual. Even a traitor to one's country was at least a kind of "clean" criminal by comparison. But a sodomite? No chance.

Witness the sad case of Alan Turing.

Quote:

Now, however, homosexuals trumpet their glory from the rooftops with parades, marriage laws, and are approaching media saturation (or supersaturation), and while Americans might be able to speak out against it, though they increasingly choose not to, many other Western countries have gone the whole hog and banned speech that offends homosexuals in principle.

Curious non-US Westerner here: Could you give an example?

Quote:

My question is, what hated group or groups today will be state-protected, publicly celebrated, and otherwise be untouchable by a dwindling reservoir of potentially disgruntled people in a century's time?

Hmm, not really sure any. Mostly since the hated groups I can think of off-hand, you know, do actual damage.

GreyArea · 28th September 2010, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Cain

I don't think they're hated, but non-human primates might possess basic rights.

In some jurisdictions, they do:
"Spanish parliament approves 'human rights' for apes" -- 26 June 2008
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008....animalwelfare

At the end of the article, it notes that there are also limits on how humans in Britain and New Zealand may treat higher apes.

Ranb · 30th September 2010, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by sinclairmcevoy

Don't you mean Submariners? I mean, c'mon, have you ever seen a submarine with sails???? Sheesh, no wonder people are always bashing them.

Yes, nuclear subs have sails. It is the big black thing that sticks up above the hull and contains the masts and periscopes. It used to be called the conning tower.

But bash away. In some ways the sub force in the USA is the most backwards part of the US Navy. It was the last to racially integrate and has only recently started allowing females to serve on them.

Ranb

IMST · 30th September 2010, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by CplFerro

many other Western countries have gone the whole hog and banned speech that offends homosexuals in principle.

************. Name one.

Twiler · 30th September 2010, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Pedophiles. It'll be diagnosed as a mental disorder in need of treatment, and it will be moved to being treated like a disease and not criminality. Hopefully the future people will have a cure for it, robot lasers or brain chemicals or whatever.

I certainly hope so.

I'd also hope for decriminalising incest in situations where the people involved aren't family in the psychological sense, on the grounds that people not committing incest aren't required to have their genes checked for unfavourable combinations.

Cainkane1 · 30th September 2010, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Pedophiles. It'll be diagnosed as a mental disorder in need of treatment, and it will be moved to being treated like a disease and not criminality. Hopefully the future people will have a cure for it, robot lasers or brain chemicals or whatever.

I was thinking that but I wasn't sure it would be a decent post. Pedophiles will be reviled as long as people love their children. If treatments are ever effective then perhaps the pedophiles who do not commit the crime will have a measure of pity.

I read somewhere long ago that most people afflicted with this deviancy actually don't commit the crime and keep their problem to themselves. If Effective treatments for these people are ever developed and if these people seek said treatment then I would feel a measure of compassion for them. I can't imagine living like that in silence.

Scootch · 30th September 2010, 11:25 AM

astronauts

uruk · 30th September 2010, 01:47 PM

Satanic vedgi-sexuals.

Not that I personal know any.

Zontar · 30th September 2010, 05:07 PM

The lactose intolerant...

CplFerro · 30th September 2010, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by ThatSoundAgain

Curious non-US Westerner here: Could you give an example?

Canada, probably the UK.

PhantomWolf · 30th September 2010, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by sinclairmcevoy

Don't you mean Submariners? I mean, c'mon, have you ever seen a submarine with sails???? Sheesh, no wonder people are always bashing them.

ummmmmmmm.....

John Jones · 30th September 2010, 06:48 PM

Feminists.

Oh wait. You said in the future.

ThatSoundAgain · 30th September 2010, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by CplFerro

Canada, probably the UK.

I can't see any indication that that's the case in Canada*, but even if (big if) you're correct - how does one example equal "many Western countries"?

But please do elaborate.

_{*Being of a curious nature, I googled it. With various combination of the words you used, I could only find some very suspicious anti-gay sites (you know, from the type of organizations that will "cure" you of the gay) describing this. My own country is even mentioned in there, and what they reported from here is not accurate at all. Which gives me little trust in the rest of their propaganda.}

catsmate1 · 1st October 2010, 10:34 AM

Artificial Intelligences.

Mark6 · 1st October 2010, 10:38 AM

OP assumes "hated group or groups today" actually exist. My contention is that in US at least already there is no such thing as a "hated group". Sure, pedophiles are reviled, but that because of what they had done, not because of what they are. It's like calling murderers a "hated group". Yes they are, but none of them was hated prior to committing murder.

I am aware that some people still passionately hate homosexuals, or blacks, or whites, or all men, or all women, and I am sure at least some murderers were hated by somebody before they went ahead and killed. None of which is society-wide on the scale of persecuting homosexuals in 1900 -- or even 1950.

So the answer to OP -- none, because there is none left.

IMST · 1st October 2010, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by CplFerro

Canada, probably the UK.

************ to both. You're just making stuff up now.

CplFerro · 2nd October 2010, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by IMST

************ to both. You're just making stuff up now.

Try preaching anti-homosexual Bible passages in public in Canada and see what happens.

Catholicism - A Hate Crime in Canada?

CplFerro · 2nd October 2010, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by Mark6

OP assumes "hated group or groups today" actually exist. My contention is that in US at least already there is no such thing as a "hated group". Sure, pedophiles are reviled, but that because of what they had done, not because of what they are. It's like calling murderers a "hated group". Yes they are, but none of them was hated prior to committing murder.

I am aware that some people still passionately hate homosexuals, or blacks, or whites, or all men, or all women, and I am sure at least some murderers were hated by somebody before they went ahead and killed. None of which is society-wide on the scale of persecuting homosexuals in 1900 -- or even 1950.

So the answer to OP -- none, because there is none left.

Perhaps, but, who even knew about homosexuals as an oppressed minority even thirty years ago. They weren't in the news, they weren't discussed, they were locker room jokes. Gay Rights erupted into the news quite surprisingly for many if not most. Any new oppressed minority may well erupt spontaneously from within the body of the politic, also to our surprise.

IMST · 2nd October 2010, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by CplFerro

Try preaching anti-homosexual Bible passages in public in Canada and see what happens.

Probably get shouted down, as well I should be. I defy you to find evidence that the content of such preaching would be illegal in Canada.

IMST · 2nd October 2010, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by CplFerro

Perhaps, but, who even knew about homosexuals as an oppressed minority even thirty years ago. They weren't in the news, they weren't discussed, they were locker room jokes. Gay Rights erupted into the news quite surprisingly for many if not most. Any new oppressed minority may well erupt spontaneously from within the body of the politic, also to our surprise.

30 years ago was 1980. So you're uninformed too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots

Illiadus · 2nd October 2010, 11:58 AM

New Kids On The Block.

Illiadus · 2nd October 2010, 12:00 PM

The unhappy, the sad, the slow, the ugly, the people that can't drive, people that have trouble merging, if they can't stay in their lane, if they don't signal, they can't parallel park, if they're sneezing, if they're stuffed up, if they have bad penmanship, if they don't return calls, if they have dandruff, food between their teeth, if they have bad credit, if they have no credit, missed a spot shaving... In other words, any dysfunctional, defective slob that you can somehow cattle prod onto a wagon.

27th September 2010, 05:22 PM	#1
CplFerro Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,383	What hated group(s) will be state-protected in 100 years? Homosexuals come to mind as an analogous case. A hundred years ago there was nothing else it was worse to be than a homosexual. Even a traitor to one's country was at least a kind of "clean" criminal by comparison. But a sodomite? No chance. Now, however, homosexuals trumpet their glory from the rooftops with parades, marriage laws, and are approaching media saturation (or supersaturation), and while Americans might be able to speak out against it, though they increasingly choose not to, many other Western countries have gone the whole hog and banned speech that offends homosexuals in principle. My question is, what hated group or groups today will be state-protected, publicly celebrated, and otherwise be untouchable by a dwindling reservoir of potentially disgruntled people in a century's time?

27th September 2010, 05:32 PM	#2
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27th September 2010, 05:56 PM	#3
Fnord Metasyntactic Variable Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 6,633	Originally Posted by CplFerro What hated group(s) will be state-protected in 100 years? - Divorced fathers - Heterosexuals - Conservatives (fiscal or social) - Opposite-sex Married Couples - Traditional Nuclear Families - Physically Repulsive People - Free-Thinkers
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sinclairmcevoy Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 8,027	Originally Posted by JimBenArm Probably Submarine Sailors. No one has anything nice to say about them. Don't you mean Submariners? I mean, c'mon, have you ever seen a submarine with sails???? Sheesh, no wonder people are always bashing them.
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27th September 2010, 07:11 PM	#8
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ThatSoundAgain Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: cph Posts: 1,270	Originally Posted by CplFerro Homosexuals come to mind as an analogous case. A hundred years ago there was nothing else it was worse to be than a homosexual. Even a traitor to one's country was at least a kind of "clean" criminal by comparison. But a sodomite? No chance. Witness the sad case of Alan Turing. Quote: Now, however, homosexuals trumpet their glory from the rooftops with parades, marriage laws, and are approaching media saturation (or supersaturation), and while Americans might be able to speak out against it, though they increasingly choose not to, many other Western countries have gone the whole hog and banned speech that offends homosexuals in principle. Curious non-US Westerner here: Could you give an example? Quote: My question is, what hated group or groups today will be state-protected, publicly celebrated, and otherwise be untouchable by a dwindling reservoir of potentially disgruntled people in a century's time? Hmm, not really sure any. Mostly since the hated groups I can think of off-hand, you know, do actual damage.

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GreyArea Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,000	Originally Posted by Cain I don't think they're hated, but non-human primates might possess basic rights. In some jurisdictions, they do: "Spanish parliament approves 'human rights' for apes" -- 26 June 2008 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008....animalwelfare At the end of the article, it notes that there are also limits on how humans in Britain and New Zealand may treat higher apes.
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30th September 2010, 10:24 AM	#21
Ranb Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: WA USA Posts: 4,096	Originally Posted by sinclairmcevoy Don't you mean Submariners? I mean, c'mon, have you ever seen a submarine with sails???? Sheesh, no wonder people are always bashing them. Yes, nuclear subs have sails. It is the big black thing that sticks up above the hull and contains the masts and periscopes. It used to be called the conning tower. But bash away. In some ways the sub force in the USA is the most backwards part of the US Navy. It was the last to racially integrate and has only recently started allowing females to serve on them. Ranb

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IMST If Charlie Parker Was a Gunslinger, There'd Be a Whole Lot of Dead Copycats Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,128	Originally Posted by CplFerro many other Western countries have gone the whole hog and banned speech that offends homosexuals in principle. ************. Name one.
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Twiler Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,494	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Pedophiles. It'll be diagnosed as a mental disorder in need of treatment, and it will be moved to being treated like a disease and not criminality. Hopefully the future people will have a cure for it, robot lasers or brain chemicals or whatever. I certainly hope so. I'd also hope for decriminalising incest in situations where the people involved aren't family in the psychological sense, on the grounds that people not committing incest aren't required to have their genes checked for unfavourable combinations.
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30th September 2010, 11:13 AM	#24
Cainkane1 Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The great American southeast Posts: 7,191	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Pedophiles. It'll be diagnosed as a mental disorder in need of treatment, and it will be moved to being treated like a disease and not criminality. Hopefully the future people will have a cure for it, robot lasers or brain chemicals or whatever. I was thinking that but I wasn't sure it would be a decent post. Pedophiles will be reviled as long as people love their children. If treatments are ever effective then perhaps the pedophiles who do not commit the crime will have a measure of pity. I read somewhere long ago that most people afflicted with this deviancy actually don't commit the crime and keep their problem to themselves. If Effective treatments for these people are ever developed and if these people seek said treatment then I would feel a measure of compassion for them. I can't imagine living like that in silence.
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CplFerro Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,383	Originally Posted by ThatSoundAgain Curious non-US Westerner here: Could you give an example? Canada, probably the UK.

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PhantomWolf Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lost Deimos Moon Base Posts: 9,893	Originally Posted by sinclairmcevoy Don't you mean Submariners? I mean, c'mon, have you ever seen a submarine with sails???? Sheesh, no wonder people are always bashing them. ummmmmmmm.....
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ThatSoundAgain Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: cph Posts: 1,270	Originally Posted by CplFerro Canada, probably the UK. I can't see any indication that that's the case in Canada, but even if (big if) you're correct - how does one example equal "many Western countries"? But please do elaborate. _{Being of a curious nature, I googled it. With various combination of the words you used, I could only find some very suspicious anti-gay sites (you know, from the type of organizations that will "cure" you of the gay) describing this. My own country is even mentioned in there, and what they reported from here is not accurate at all. Which gives me little trust in the rest of their propaganda.}

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Mark6 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,173	OP assumes "hated group or groups today" actually exist. My contention is that in US at least already there is no such thing as a "hated group". Sure, pedophiles are reviled, but that because of what they had done, not because of what they are. It's like calling murderers a "hated group". Yes they are, but none of them was hated prior to committing murder. I am aware that some people still passionately hate homosexuals, or blacks, or whites, or all men, or all women, and I am sure at least some murderers were hated by somebody before they went ahead and killed. None of which is society-wide on the scale of persecuting homosexuals in 1900 -- or even 1950. So the answer to OP -- none, because there is none left.
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2nd October 2010, 10:59 AM	#35
CplFerro Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,383	Originally Posted by IMST ************ to both. You're just making stuff up now. Try preaching anti-homosexual Bible passages in public in Canada and see what happens. Catholicism - A Hate Crime in Canada?
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