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Anders Lindman · 8th November 2010, 04:14 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Well, sure it was. And I suppose the one on Ronald Reagan wasn't. And how do you judge which ones are staged? The ones that look to you like they are staged. And if you are shown one that has similar features then that too must be staged. (Isn't this of the No True Scotsman variety or simply circular logic?)

That's true! All those US naval pilots probably thought it was a little weird when asked to fly in specially manufactured Zeros. Fortunately for the New World Order none of them ever blabbed and even more fortunately the Japanese government was fooled into thinking they really had orchestrated the whole thing.

I just looked at the Prince Charles attack briefly but it looks very suspicious how suddenly all the security people in black suits jump up from their chairs. Why did they wait so long until they reacted?

The Pearl Harbor attack was a false flag attack in the sense that the Japanese government cooperated with the U.S. government, including helping the U.S. government to fake two atom bomb explosions. We ordinary people have been so gullible for so long. It's time to wise up a bit. Big lies all the way...

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angrysoba · 8th November 2010, 04:18 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

I just looked at the Prince Charles attack briefly but it looks very suspicious how suddenly all the security people in black suits jump up from their chairs. Why did they wait so long until they reacted?

The Pearl Harbor attack was a false flag attack in the sense that the Japanese government cooperated with the U.S. government, including helping the U.S. government to fake two atom bomb explosions. We ordinary people have been so gullible for so long. It's time to wise up a bit. Big lies all the way...

You're now on ignore.

I urge others to do the same.

Anders Lindman · 8th November 2010, 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

You're now on ignore.

I urge others to do the same.

Why don't you check what I wrote instead of such angry knee-jerk reaction?

The first part of what I wrote was false, the second part true. Go figure.

BaaBaa · 8th November 2010, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

The Pearl Harbor attack was a false flag attack in the sense that the Japanese government cooperated with the U.S. government, including helping the U.S. government to fake two atom bomb explosions. We ordinary people have been so gullible for so long. It's time to wise up a bit. Big lies all the way...

lolwut?

Anders Lindman · 8th November 2010, 06:32 AM

Originally Posted by BaaBaa

lolwut?

The Manhattan Project conveniently happened to be completed just before WW2 was completely over. That's a bit suspicious imo (just like the first Apollo moon mission which in similarly timed fashion managed to be completed before the end of the decade in the late 60s just as JFK had promised. He was tricked by LBJ about a possible moon mission as I have mentioned in previous posts).

The mushroom clouds over Hiroshima and Nagasaki must have been huge and been visible over vast areas of Japan for a long period of time, yet still, I haven't seen any amateur photographs of them taken by the Japanese people (who were much into photography even then). Not even photos or films from professional media teams in Japan at that time (except two dubious pictures). Where are all those photos? Gone? Not likely. My guess is that there are no such real photos of the mushroom clouds because there were no clouds, and that the whole atom bomb thing at the end of the war was a hoax perpetrated by the U.S. government in cooperation with the Japanese government (the U.S. military helped the Japanese government to move the Soviet troops out of Japan at that time and thus prevented the country from being divided by an iron curtain with one half of Japan controlled by Communism).

An American who flew over Japan directly after the war said that the damage over Tokyo looked EXACTLY like the damage over Hiroshima. Why? I believe it was because Hiroshima was firebombed, just like Tokyo was.

If a real atom bomb was not possible to develop, the ILLUSION of such weapon would do almost as well (if not even better), and the illusion of the Soviet Union also having nuclear weapons a few years later helped to create the Cold War scam, which benefited both the U.S. government (military industrial complex) and the Soviet Politbureau.

Anders Lindman · 8th November 2010, 07:00 AM

I'm going a bit off topic, but maybe not really since the supposed atom bomb leading to the Cold War was definitely a part of the larger plan that included the JFK assassination.

Check this out. This is hilarious. Watch the alleged atom bomb explosion over Hiroshima: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtSt5XZ7fq4

Notice the fake shadows appearing on the clouds that have been painted into the film. But that's not the fun part. Notice the clouds before the explosion, and look at the same clouds after the explosion. The clouds are still there! Ha ha ha.

Sturdy clouds! Not likely. Double-exposure of simulated explosion over real clouds more likely.

BaaBaa · 8th November 2010, 07:03 AM

The A-bomb was dropped just before the end of the Pacific War...yeah, no connection there, at ALL....

Jack by the hedge · 8th November 2010, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

The mushroom clouds over Hiroshima and Nagasaki must have been huge and been visible over vast areas of Japan for a long period of time, yet still, I haven't seen any amateur photographs of them taken by the Japanese people (who were much into photography even then). Not even photos or films from professional media teams in Japan at that time (except two dubious pictures). Where are all those photos?

What would you quantify as "a vast area of Japan", and how long is "a long period of time"?

I wonder how many more photos like this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hirgrnd1.jpg you would expect.

Jack by the hedge · 8th November 2010, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Check this out. This is hilarious. Watch the alleged atom bomb explosion over Hiroshima: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtSt5XZ7fq4

Notice the fake shadows appearing on the clouds that have been painted into the film. But that's not the fun part. Notice the clouds before the explosion, and look at the same clouds after the explosion. The clouds are still there! Ha ha ha.

Sturdy clouds! Not likely. Double-exposure of simulated explosion over real clouds more likely.

So you think Hiroshima is a tiny island in the middle of an ocean?

Some retard misidentifying footage on youtube does not a conspiracy make.
Please compare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxayEJWqjbQ

Your analysis of the "fake" footage is, if I may say so, utterly unconvincing.

Anders Lindman · 8th November 2010, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

What would you quantify as "a vast area of Japan", and how long is "a long period of time"?

I wonder how many more photos like this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hirgrnd1.jpg you would expect.

That mushroom cloud looks puny. Probably something similar to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VANyY87-_Q

Jack by the hedge · 8th November 2010, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

That mushroom cloud looks puny.

Sorry if it wasn't impressive enough for you. There may have been photographers closer to the scene, but they probably had better things to worry about than getting you a good picture.

Anders Lindman · 8th November 2010, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

So you think Hiroshima is a tiny island in the middle of an ocean?

Some retard misidentifying footage on youtube does not a conspiracy make.
Please compare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxayEJWqjbQ

Your analysis of the "fake" footage is, if I may say so, utterly unconvincing.

Oh! My mistake. Still. Pretty sturdy clouds, eh?

Child in the future: "Grandpa, how could you have been so stupid back then to believe atom bombs were real? You didn't believe in Santa Claus? Did you?"

Worm · 8th November 2010, 07:31 AM

I think this actually needs a thread split now.

I admit this is not of the actual cloud, but a pretty compelling coverage of the aftermath.

The Photos of Yosuke Yamahata

tsig · 8th November 2010, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

I just looked at the Prince Charles attack briefly but it looks very suspicious how suddenly all the security people in black suits jump up from their chairs. Why did they wait so long until they reacted?

The Pearl Harbor attack was a false flag attack in the sense that the Japanese government cooperated with the U.S. government, including helping the U.S. government to fake two atom bomb explosions. We ordinary people have been so gullible for so long. It's time to wise up a bit. Big lies all the way...

How does anyone have any time to do anything. Looks to me like they'd all be too busy reading their scripts and memorizing their lines.

Anders Lindman · 8th November 2010, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by Worm

I think this actually needs a thread split now.

I admit this is not of the actual cloud, but a pretty compelling coverage of the aftermath.

The Photos of Yosuke Yamahata

Oh no!

No thread about atom bombs. It's way too burdensome for me to try to defend a thread like that. But I'm glad that I now have mentioned it. So I can tell my grandchildren (I will probably not have any grandchildren but anyway) in the future: See! Look at this thread, back from 2010!!! That's over 500 years ago. I KNEW the atom bombs were a total hoax.

I will try to stick to the JFK assassination in this thread.

Debaser · 8th November 2010, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

The Manhattan Project conveniently happened to be completed just before WW2 was completely over. That's a bit suspicious imo...

I know this thread is like a mine full of pure Stundanium, and it's obviously going to people's heads, but how has no-one picked out this little titbit?

...and effect and cause and effect and cause and effect and...

Sledge · 8th November 2010, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Debaser

I know this thread is like a mine full of pure Stundanium, and it's obviously going to people's heads, but how has no-one picked out this little titbit?

...and effect and cause and effect and cause and effect and...

Because picking out one stundie in this mess is like finding hay in a haystack. In a field of haystacks.

In the land of hay.

tsig · 8th November 2010, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by Sledge

Because picking out one stundie in this mess is like finding hay in a haystack. In a field of haystacks.

In the land of hay.

There's a lot of straw here too.

Cicero · 8th November 2010, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

That mushroom cloud looks puny. Probably something similar to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VANyY87-_Q

At first the Japanese were skeptical that the destruction was caused by a nuclear device. They initially postulated that the Americans had scattered the sky above Hiroshima with magnesium, an explosive material, or that it was a liquid oxygen bomb with strong incendiary material. But after Dr. Yoshio Nishima and Lt. General Seizo Arisue flew over Hiroshima on August 8, they concluded it was indeed an atomic bomb.

mactonite · 8th November 2010, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

The mushroom clouds over Hiroshima and Nagasaki must have been huge and been visible over vast areas of Japan for a long period of time, yet still, I haven't seen any amateur photographs of them taken by the Japanese people (who were much into photography even then).

I would say that people were probably too busy running for their lives to stop and take a snapshot.

Rich_C · 8th November 2010, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

The mushroom clouds over Hiroshima and Nagasaki must have been huge and been visible over vast areas of Japan for a long period of time, yet still, I haven't seen any amateur photographs of them taken by the Japanese people (who were much into photography even then). Not even photos or films from professional media teams in Japan at that time (except two dubious pictures). Where are all those photos? Gone? Not likely.

You didn't look very hard. I did a google search and found 3 different photos on 2 sites.

http://www.richard-seaman.com/Travel...romGround2.jpg
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Travel...romGround1.jpg
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/alleye...sary-28-images (Scroll about halfway down).

Not to mention all the pictures of the damage and the people dead and injured from radiation poisoning. How did the USA fake those?

Gawdzilla · 8th November 2010, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

The Pearl Harbor attack was a false flag attack in the sense that the Japanese government cooperated with the U.S. government, including helping the U.S. government to fake two atom bomb explosions. We ordinary people have been so gullible for so long. It's time to wise up a bit. Big lies all the way...

Yep, they sure did, yes sirree! And FDR didn't really die, he's living on a raisin ranch with Hitler and Elvis.

dafydd · 8th November 2010, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

The Manhattan Project conveniently happened to be completed just before WW2 was completely over. That's a bit suspicious imo (just like the first Apollo moon mission which in similarly timed fashion managed to be completed before the end of the decade in the late 60s just as JFK had promised. He was tricked by LBJ about a possible moon mission as I have mentioned in previous posts).

The mushroom clouds over Hiroshima and Nagasaki must have been huge and been visible over vast areas of Japan for a long period of time, yet still, I haven't seen any amateur photographs of them taken by the Japanese people (who were much into photography even then). Not even photos or films from professional media teams in Japan at that time (except two dubious pictures). Where are all those photos? Gone? Not likely. My guess is that there are no such real photos of the mushroom clouds because there were no clouds, and that the whole atom bomb thing at the end of the war was a hoax perpetrated by the U.S. government in cooperation with the Japanese government (the U.S. military helped the Japanese government to move the Soviet troops out of Japan at that time and thus prevented the country from being divided by an iron curtain with one half of Japan controlled by Communism).

An American who flew over Japan directly after the war said that the damage over Tokyo looked EXACTLY like the damage over Hiroshima. Why? I believe it was because Hiroshima was firebombed, just like Tokyo was.

If a real atom bomb was not possible to develop, the ILLUSION of such weapon would do almost as well (if not even better), and the illusion of the Soviet Union also having nuclear weapons a few years later helped to create the Cold War scam, which benefited both the U.S. government (military industrial complex) and the Soviet Politbureau.

Please stop. You're on ignore now anyway.Good luck,and I hope you get professional medical help soon.

mactonite · 8th November 2010, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Rich_C

You didn't look very hard. I did a google search and found 3 different photos on 2 sites.

Not to mention all the pictures of the damage and the people dead and injured from radiation poisoning. How did the USA fake those?

I agree, they didn't. Plain and simple.

Anders Lindman · 8th November 2010, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Cicero

At first the Japanese were skeptical that the destruction was caused by a nuclear device. They initially postulated that the Americans had scattered the sky above Hiroshima with magnesium, an explosive material, or that it was a liquid oxygen bomb with strong incendiary material. But after Dr. Yoshio Nishima and Lt. General Seizo Arisue flew over Hiroshima on August 8, they concluded it was indeed an atomic bomb.

I will not defend this thread, but that was new to me. A kind of air fuel bomb? Maybe a dirty air fuel bomb (laden with radioactive material)? To fake an atom bomb explosion.

However, I believe the damage was caused by ordinary fire bombings, just like over Tokyo. Check this out:

When Philip Morris, went in to Japan very shortly after the war, he flew over Tokyo and all he could see was gray ash and broken gray roof tiles, and then they flew down to Hiroshima and all he could see was THE SAME KIND OF DAMAGE: gray ash and broken gray roof tiles. Wouldn't the kind of damage caused by an atom bomb look different than the damage caused by firebombing? If not, how do we know that what one source said is false, that papers in Japan reported that Hiroshima was firebombed by several aircraft on the day the so-called atom bomb went off.

Listen from about 0:54:20 in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP8GWUe5hZQ

Kegeshook · 8th November 2010, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

You're now on ignore.

I urge others to do the same.

The guy can't be serious. He's just yanking your chain.

MG1962 · 8th November 2010, 06:47 PM

Does someone flying through the cloud after the attack count?

Grizzly Bear · 8th November 2010, 07:56 PM

And I thought I've read some crazy conspiracy theories... This takes the cake...

BaaBaa · 8th November 2010, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear

And I thought I've read some crazy conspiracy theories... This takes the cake...

Oh yeah?

http://www.reformation.org/port-chicago.html

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Chicago_disaster)

Homeboy also believes in geocentric theory...

Anders Lindman · 8th November 2010, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear

And I thought I've read some crazy conspiracy theories... This takes the cake...

He he. At first this conspiracy theory about the atom bomb being a hoax may seem completely ludicrous. Something not even the most fringe tinfoil hat nutter would come up with. But it's actually not so incredible when looking at it more deeply. The Big Lie propaganda tactics, is more than just an idea. It's something actually being used by the rulers to manipulate the masses.

lionking · 8th November 2010, 08:15 PM

Anders, just out of interest, is there any CT you don't believe in?

Grizzly Bear · 8th November 2010, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by BaaBaa

Oh yeah?

http://www.reformation.org/port-chicago.html

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Chicago_disaster)

Homeboy also believes in geocentric theory...

Oh, no doubt Geocentric sounds a lot more loopy, I've said the same for flat earthers... but this guy is pretty much implying that not only did the bombings not take place, but that by extension nobody died from it. Although I fully believe many more people might have died without ending the war in such a fashion, I have wonder what kind, if any, respect that theory has for the people that got killed by in both. Trivializes the lives of those people way more than I'm comfortable with.

Sword_Of_Truth · 8th November 2010, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Wouldn't the kind of damage caused by an atom bomb look different than the damage caused by firebombing?

The flash of heat from a nuclear weapon is sufficient to cause spontaneous combustion of common materials a significant distance from ground zero.This results in massive firestorms that blanket much of the target area.

Short version: Across much, if not most of a targeted city, the damage from a nuclear strike would appear identical to a conventional firebombing.

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

If not, how do we know that what one source said is false, that papers in Japan reported that Hiroshima was firebombed by several aircraft on the day the so-called atom bomb went off.

Firebombing a major city in World War II took hundreds of aircraft, not several.

Sledge · 8th November 2010, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

He he. At first this conspiracy theory about the atom bomb being a hoax may seem completely ludicrous.

Then you look deeper and realise it is completely ludicrous.

Originally Posted by lionking

Anders, just out of interest, is there any CT you don't believe in?

Are you reading my mind? I was just planning to ask the same thing.

Corsair 115 · 8th November 2010, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

...including helping the U.S. government to fake two atom bomb explosions.

Congratulations, you're insane. 100% certifiably insane. Seek help from qualified mental health professionals.

Anders Lindman · 8th November 2010, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by lionking

Anders, just out of interest, is there any CT you don't believe in?

Yes, basically all the common conspiracy theories out there are a result of controlled opposition. Smokescreens to divert conspiracy believers into endless detours and cul-de-sacs.

tsig · 8th November 2010, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Yes, basically all the common conspiracy theories out there are a result of controlled opposition. Smokescreens to divert conspiracy believers into endless detours and cul-de-sacs.

It's working well don't you think. Here you are wasting your time in this particular detour and cul-de-sac instead of doing anything productive.

Anders Lindman · 8th November 2010, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by tsig

It's working well don't you think. Here you are wasting your time in this particular detour and cul-de-sac instead of doing anything productive.

I just started a new thread about Jesus and moving mountains: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=191213

Isn't that productive? And it's actually a rather serious thread despite appearing perhaps like ludicrous trolling.

Bluespaceoddity · 8th November 2010, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

I'm going a bit off topic, but maybe not really since the supposed atom bomb leading to the Cold War was definitely a part of the larger plan that included the JFK assassination.

Check this out. This is hilarious. Watch the alleged atom bomb explosion over Hiroshima: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtSt5XZ7fq4

Notice the fake shadows appearing on the clouds that have been painted into the film. But that's not the fun part. Notice the clouds before the explosion, and look at the same clouds after the explosion. The clouds are still there! Ha ha ha.

Sturdy clouds! Not likely. Double-exposure of simulated explosion over real clouds more likely.

As pointed out several times in the comments on that YouTube video, that is footage of the "Baker" test -under water detonation- in the lagoon of Bikini Atoll.

If you dispute that nuclear weapons in general exist please explain the cause of the "Castle Bravo" crater in the same atoll. Look at the movement of clouds when you do more YouTube research.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki:

Shadows - Based on the angle of "shadows" ingrained in some objects on the ground (in Hiroshima and over a wider area in Nagasaki) resulting from the almost immediate flash burn it was possible to calculate how high above both cities the atomic bombs had detonated. These "shadows" are themselves already evidence that an atomic bomb explosion (singular) occurred in each of the two cities. Unless you have evidence that a conventional weapon (singular) could cause that effect on August 6 and August 9, 1945 and could cause devastation on the same scale over the same area.

Exposures - What caused sealed x-ray stock film in Hiroshima's Red Cross Hospital, 1.6 kilometers from the Hypocenter, to be exposed on August 6, 1945? Conventional weapons don't have that effect on x-ray material.

Bluespaceoddity · 8th November 2010, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

.. broken gray roof tiles. Wouldn't the kind of damage caused by an atom bomb look different than the damage caused by firebombing?

Yes, on close inspection.
The roof tiles in Hiroshima were in fact among the important pieces of evidence of the atomic bombings. They too pointed to radiation heat. How they -and even stone/granite objects- had been "scarred" and how deep the materials had been affected is very different from even the heat generated by the massive firebombing raids on other Japanese cities

8th November 2010, 06:29 AM	#4
BaaBaa Semi-literate hench-person Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,419	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman The Pearl Harbor attack was a false flag attack in the sense that the Japanese government cooperated with the U.S. government, including helping the U.S. government to fake two atom bomb explosions. We ordinary people have been so gullible for so long. It's time to wise up a bit. Big lies all the way... lolwut?
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8th November 2010, 06:32 AM	#5
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,860	Originally Posted by BaaBaa lolwut? The Manhattan Project conveniently happened to be completed just before WW2 was completely over. That's a bit suspicious imo (just like the first Apollo moon mission which in similarly timed fashion managed to be completed before the end of the decade in the late 60s just as JFK had promised. He was tricked by LBJ about a possible moon mission as I have mentioned in previous posts). The mushroom clouds over Hiroshima and Nagasaki must have been huge and been visible over vast areas of Japan for a long period of time, yet still, I haven't seen any amateur photographs of them taken by the Japanese people (who were much into photography even then). Not even photos or films from professional media teams in Japan at that time (except two dubious pictures). Where are all those photos? Gone? Not likely. My guess is that there are no such real photos of the mushroom clouds because there were no clouds, and that the whole atom bomb thing at the end of the war was a hoax perpetrated by the U.S. government in cooperation with the Japanese government (the U.S. military helped the Japanese government to move the Soviet troops out of Japan at that time and thus prevented the country from being divided by an iron curtain with one half of Japan controlled by Communism). An American who flew over Japan directly after the war said that the damage over Tokyo looked EXACTLY like the damage over Hiroshima. Why? I believe it was because Hiroshima was firebombed, just like Tokyo was. If a real atom bomb was not possible to develop, the ILLUSION of such weapon would do almost as well (if not even better), and the illusion of the Soviet Union also having nuclear weapons a few years later helped to create the Cold War scam, which benefited both the U.S. government (military industrial complex) and the Soviet Politbureau.
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8th November 2010, 07:03 AM	#7
BaaBaa Semi-literate hench-person Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,419	The A-bomb was dropped just before the end of the Pacific War...yeah, no connection there, at ALL....
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8th November 2010, 07:31 AM	#13
Worm Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Coldstream, Scotland Posts: 1,086	I think this actually needs a thread split now. I admit this is not of the actual cloud, but a pretty compelling coverage of the aftermath. The Photos of Yosuke Yamahata
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8th November 2010, 09:15 AM	#17
Sledge Grammaton Cleric Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Swingin' on a star Posts: 7,123	Originally Posted by Debaser I know this thread is like a mine full of pure Stundanium, and it's obviously going to people's heads, but how has no-one picked out this little titbit? ...and effect and cause and effect and cause and effect and... Because picking out one stundie in this mess is like finding hay in a haystack. In a field of haystacks. In the land of hay.
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8th November 2010, 04:18 AM	#2
angrysoba Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 8,889	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman I just looked at the Prince Charles attack briefly but it looks very suspicious how suddenly all the security people in black suits jump up from their chairs. Why did they wait so long until they reacted? The Pearl Harbor attack was a false flag attack in the sense that the Japanese government cooperated with the U.S. government, including helping the U.S. government to fake two atom bomb explosions. We ordinary people have been so gullible for so long. It's time to wise up a bit. Big lies all the way... You're now on ignore. I urge others to do the same.

8th November 2010, 04:27 AM	#3
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,860	Originally Posted by angrysoba You're now on ignore. I urge others to do the same. Why don't you check what I wrote instead of such angry knee-jerk reaction? The first part of what I wrote was false, the second part true. Go figure.

8th November 2010, 07:00 AM	#6
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,860	I'm going a bit off topic, but maybe not really since the supposed atom bomb leading to the Cold War was definitely a part of the larger plan that included the JFK assassination. Check this out. This is hilarious. Watch the alleged atom bomb explosion over Hiroshima: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtSt5XZ7fq4 Notice the fake shadows appearing on the clouds that have been painted into the film. But that's not the fun part. Notice the clouds before the explosion, and look at the same clouds after the explosion. The clouds are still there! Ha ha ha. Sturdy clouds! Not likely. Double-exposure of simulated explosion over real clouds more likely.

8th November 2010, 07:06 AM	#8
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,513	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman The mushroom clouds over Hiroshima and Nagasaki must have been huge and been visible over vast areas of Japan for a long period of time, yet still, I haven't seen any amateur photographs of them taken by the Japanese people (who were much into photography even then). Not even photos or films from professional media teams in Japan at that time (except two dubious pictures). Where are all those photos? What would you quantify as "a vast area of Japan", and how long is "a long period of time"? I wonder how many more photos like this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hirgrnd1.jpg you would expect.

8th November 2010, 07:13 AM	#9
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,513	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman Check this out. This is hilarious. Watch the alleged atom bomb explosion over Hiroshima: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtSt5XZ7fq4 Notice the fake shadows appearing on the clouds that have been painted into the film. But that's not the fun part. Notice the clouds before the explosion, and look at the same clouds after the explosion. The clouds are still there! Ha ha ha. Sturdy clouds! Not likely. Double-exposure of simulated explosion over real clouds more likely. So you think Hiroshima is a tiny island in the middle of an ocean? Some retard misidentifying footage on youtube does not a conspiracy make. Please compare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxayEJWqjbQ Your analysis of the "fake" footage is, if I may say so, utterly unconvincing.

8th November 2010, 07:15 AM	#10
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,860	Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge What would you quantify as "a vast area of Japan", and how long is "a long period of time"? I wonder how many more photos like this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hirgrnd1.jpg you would expect. That mushroom cloud looks puny. Probably something similar to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VANyY87-_Q

8th November 2010, 07:19 AM	#11
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,513	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman That mushroom cloud looks puny. Sorry if it wasn't impressive enough for you. There may have been photographers closer to the scene, but they probably had better things to worry about than getting you a good picture.

8th November 2010, 07:40 AM	#14
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 27,257	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman I just looked at the Prince Charles attack briefly but it looks very suspicious how suddenly all the security people in black suits jump up from their chairs. Why did they wait so long until they reacted? The Pearl Harbor attack was a false flag attack in the sense that the Japanese government cooperated with the U.S. government, including helping the U.S. government to fake two atom bomb explosions. We ordinary people have been so gullible for so long. It's time to wise up a bit. Big lies all the way... How does anyone have any time to do anything. Looks to me like they'd all be too busy reading their scripts and memorizing their lines.

8th November 2010, 07:57 AM	#15
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,860	Originally Posted by Worm I think this actually needs a thread split now. I admit this is not of the actual cloud, but a pretty compelling coverage of the aftermath. The Photos of Yosuke Yamahata Oh no! No thread about atom bombs. It's way too burdensome for me to try to defend a thread like that. But I'm glad that I now have mentioned it. So I can tell my grandchildren (I will probably not have any grandchildren but anyway) in the future: See! Look at this thread, back from 2010!!! That's over 500 years ago. I KNEW the atom bombs were a total hoax. I will try to stick to the JFK assassination in this thread.

8th November 2010, 09:02 AM	#16
Debaser Muse Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 806	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman The Manhattan Project conveniently happened to be completed just before WW2 was completely over. That's a bit suspicious imo... I know this thread is like a mine full of pure Stundanium, and it's obviously going to people's heads, but how has no-one picked out this little titbit? ...and effect and cause and effect and cause and effect and...

8th November 2010, 09:30 AM	#18
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 27,257	Originally Posted by Sledge Because picking out one stundie in this mess is like finding hay in a haystack. In a field of haystacks. In the land of hay. There's a lot of straw here too.

8th November 2010, 12:58 PM	#19
Cicero Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 7,861	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman That mushroom cloud looks puny. Probably something similar to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VANyY87-_Q At first the Japanese were skeptical that the destruction was caused by a nuclear device. They initially postulated that the Americans had scattered the sky above Hiroshima with magnesium, an explosive material, or that it was a liquid oxygen bomb with strong incendiary material. But after Dr. Yoshio Nishima and Lt. General Seizo Arisue flew over Hiroshima on August 8, they concluded it was indeed an atomic bomb.
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8th November 2010, 03:07 PM	#20
mactonite Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: 34.3° N 118.8° W Posts: 476	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman The mushroom clouds over Hiroshima and Nagasaki must have been huge and been visible over vast areas of Japan for a long period of time, yet still, I haven't seen any amateur photographs of them taken by the Japanese people (who were much into photography even then). I would say that people were probably too busy running for their lives to stop and take a snapshot.
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8th November 2010, 05:00 PM	#21
Rich_C Thinker Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 129	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman The mushroom clouds over Hiroshima and Nagasaki must have been huge and been visible over vast areas of Japan for a long period of time, yet still, I haven't seen any amateur photographs of them taken by the Japanese people (who were much into photography even then). Not even photos or films from professional media teams in Japan at that time (except two dubious pictures). Where are all those photos? Gone? Not likely. You didn't look very hard. I did a google search and found 3 different photos on 2 sites. http://www.richard-seaman.com/Travel...romGround2.jpg http://www.richard-seaman.com/Travel...romGround1.jpg http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/alleye...sary-28-images (Scroll about halfway down). Not to mention all the pictures of the damage and the people dead and injured from radiation poisoning. How did the USA fake those?
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8th November 2010, 05:09 PM	#22
Gawdzilla 121.92-meter mutant fire-breathing lizard-thingy Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northern St. Louis County, Missouri. Posts: 13,863	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman The Pearl Harbor attack was a false flag attack in the sense that the Japanese government cooperated with the U.S. government, including helping the U.S. government to fake two atom bomb explosions. We ordinary people have been so gullible for so long. It's time to wise up a bit. Big lies all the way... Yep, they sure did, yes sirree! And FDR didn't really die, he's living on a raisin ranch with Hitler and Elvis.
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8th November 2010, 05:12 PM	#23
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,680	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman The Manhattan Project conveniently happened to be completed just before WW2 was completely over. That's a bit suspicious imo (just like the first Apollo moon mission which in similarly timed fashion managed to be completed before the end of the decade in the late 60s just as JFK had promised. He was tricked by LBJ about a possible moon mission as I have mentioned in previous posts). The mushroom clouds over Hiroshima and Nagasaki must have been huge and been visible over vast areas of Japan for a long period of time, yet still, I haven't seen any amateur photographs of them taken by the Japanese people (who were much into photography even then). Not even photos or films from professional media teams in Japan at that time (except two dubious pictures). Where are all those photos? Gone? Not likely. My guess is that there are no such real photos of the mushroom clouds because there were no clouds, and that the whole atom bomb thing at the end of the war was a hoax perpetrated by the U.S. government in cooperation with the Japanese government (the U.S. military helped the Japanese government to move the Soviet troops out of Japan at that time and thus prevented the country from being divided by an iron curtain with one half of Japan controlled by Communism). An American who flew over Japan directly after the war said that the damage over Tokyo looked EXACTLY like the damage over Hiroshima. Why? I believe it was because Hiroshima was firebombed, just like Tokyo was. If a real atom bomb was not possible to develop, the ILLUSION of such weapon would do almost as well (if not even better), and the illusion of the Soviet Union also having nuclear weapons a few years later helped to create the Cold War scam, which benefited both the U.S. government (military industrial complex) and the Soviet Politbureau. Please stop. You're on ignore now anyway.Good luck,and I hope you get professional medical help soon.
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8th November 2010, 05:15 PM	#24
mactonite Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: 34.3° N 118.8° W Posts: 476	Originally Posted by Rich_C You didn't look very hard. I did a google search and found 3 different photos on 2 sites. Not to mention all the pictures of the damage and the people dead and injured from radiation poisoning. How did the USA fake those? I agree, they didn't. Plain and simple.
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8th November 2010, 06:12 PM	#25
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,860	Originally Posted by Cicero At first the Japanese were skeptical that the destruction was caused by a nuclear device. They initially postulated that the Americans had scattered the sky above Hiroshima with magnesium, an explosive material, or that it was a liquid oxygen bomb with strong incendiary material. But after Dr. Yoshio Nishima and Lt. General Seizo Arisue flew over Hiroshima on August 8, they concluded it was indeed an atomic bomb. I will not defend this thread, but that was new to me. A kind of air fuel bomb? Maybe a dirty air fuel bomb (laden with radioactive material)? To fake an atom bomb explosion. However, I believe the damage was caused by ordinary fire bombings, just like over Tokyo. Check this out: When Philip Morris, went in to Japan very shortly after the war, he flew over Tokyo and all he could see was gray ash and broken gray roof tiles, and then they flew down to Hiroshima and all he could see was THE SAME KIND OF DAMAGE: gray ash and broken gray roof tiles. Wouldn't the kind of damage caused by an atom bomb look different than the damage caused by firebombing? If not, how do we know that what one source said is false, that papers in Japan reported that Hiroshima was firebombed by several aircraft on the day the so-called atom bomb went off. Listen from about 0:54:20 in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP8GWUe5hZQ

8th November 2010, 06:40 PM	#26
Kegeshook Thinker Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 150	Originally Posted by angrysoba You're now on ignore. I urge others to do the same. The guy can't be serious. He's just yanking your chain.
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8th November 2010, 06:47 PM	#27
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Does someone flying through the cloud after the attack count?

8th November 2010, 07:56 PM	#28
Grizzly Bear このマスクによっ Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 5,692	And I thought I've read some crazy conspiracy theories... This takes the cake...
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8th November 2010, 08:04 PM	#29
BaaBaa Semi-literate hench-person Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,419	Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear And I thought I've read some crazy conspiracy theories... This takes the cake... Oh yeah? http://www.reformation.org/port-chicago.html (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Chicago_disaster) Homeboy also believes in geocentric theory...
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8th November 2010, 08:08 PM	#30
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,860	Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear And I thought I've read some crazy conspiracy theories... This takes the cake... He he. At first this conspiracy theory about the atom bomb being a hoax may seem completely ludicrous. Something not even the most fringe tinfoil hat nutter would come up with. But it's actually not so incredible when looking at it more deeply. The Big Lie propaganda tactics, is more than just an idea. It's something actually being used by the rulers to manipulate the masses.

8th November 2010, 08:15 PM	#31
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 29,986	Anders, just out of interest, is there any CT you don't believe in?

8th November 2010, 08:20 PM	#32
Grizzly Bear このマスクによっ Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 5,692	Originally Posted by BaaBaa Oh yeah? http://www.reformation.org/port-chicago.html (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Chicago_disaster) Homeboy also believes in geocentric theory... Oh, no doubt Geocentric sounds a lot more loopy, I've said the same for flat earthers... but this guy is pretty much implying that not only did the bombings not take place, but that by extension nobody died from it. Although I fully believe many more people might have died without ending the war in such a fashion, I have wonder what kind, if any, respect that theory has for the people that got killed by in both. Trivializes the lives of those people way more than I'm comfortable with.
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8th November 2010, 08:21 PM	#33
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman Wouldn't the kind of damage caused by an atom bomb look different than the damage caused by firebombing? The flash of heat from a nuclear weapon is sufficient to cause spontaneous combustion of common materials a significant distance from ground zero.This results in massive firestorms that blanket much of the target area. Short version: Across much, if not most of a targeted city, the damage from a nuclear strike would appear identical to a conventional firebombing. Originally Posted by Anders Lindman If not, how do we know that what one source said is false, that papers in Japan reported that Hiroshima was firebombed by several aircraft on the day the so-called atom bomb went off. Firebombing a major city in World War II took hundreds of aircraft, not several.

8th November 2010, 08:32 PM	#35
Corsair 115 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 8,684	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman ...including helping the U.S. government to fake two atom bomb explosions. Congratulations, you're insane. 100% certifiably insane. Seek help from qualified mental health professionals.
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8th November 2010, 08:41 PM	#36
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,860	Originally Posted by lionking Anders, just out of interest, is there any CT you don't believe in? Yes, basically all the common conspiracy theories out there are a result of controlled opposition. Smokescreens to divert conspiracy believers into endless detours and cul-de-sacs.

8th November 2010, 08:50 PM	#37
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 27,257	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman Yes, basically all the common conspiracy theories out there are a result of controlled opposition. Smokescreens to divert conspiracy believers into endless detours and cul-de-sacs. It's working well don't you think. Here you are wasting your time in this particular detour and cul-de-sac instead of doing anything productive.

8th November 2010, 09:10 PM	#38
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,860	Originally Posted by tsig It's working well don't you think. Here you are wasting your time in this particular detour and cul-de-sac instead of doing anything productive. I just started a new thread about Jesus and moving mountains: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=191213 Isn't that productive? And it's actually a rather serious thread despite appearing perhaps like ludicrous trolling.