[Merged] Tony Szamboti and Bob McIlvaine on Geraldo Nov 13 2010

Orphia Nay · 13th November 2010, 10:07 PM

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Geraldo interviews 9/11 family member Bob McIlvaine and Tony Szamboti about the WTC7 collapse and the Building What? campaign.

What investigating WTC7's collapse has to do with the death of Bob's son in WTC2 is not explained.

R.Mackey · 13th November 2010, 10:26 PM

So... does this mean Fox News is the only reliable media source?

brazenlilraisin · 13th November 2010, 10:27 PM

From the sensationalist first telecast of the Zapruder film to opening Al Capone's vault to this stuff...clueless Geraldo is nothing if not consistent!

Galileo · 13th November 2010, 10:39 PM

the jig is up, boys. Time to give up the ghost. The experts agree with me and your insulting of the 9/11 victims wears thin.

brazenlilraisin · 13th November 2010, 10:45 PM

For a second I thought bill smith had changed his avatar....

beachnut · 13th November 2010, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by brazenlilraisin

For a second I thought bill smith had changed his avatar....

she has not.... but the g-man really thinks he is the g-man.

the real-cd-deal has his 15 minutes (or so) (hi tony, your real cd deal is moronic claptrap)

Three nuts on 911... poor Geraldo is clueless on physics, fire and gravity

ProBonoShill · 13th November 2010, 11:09 PM

"1300 architects and engineers"

LOL

Orphia Nay · 13th November 2010, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by R.Mackey

So... does this mean Fox News is the only reliable media source?

Originally Posted by brazenlilraisin

From the sensationalist first telecast of the Zapruder film to opening Al Capone's vault to this stuff...clueless Geraldo is nothing if not consistent!

Welcome to the forum, brazenlilraisin! I like your username!

Brainster · 13th November 2010, 11:40 PM

Turns out Al Capone's vault was a high point in Geraldo's career.

Note the bit where he tries to steer McIlvaine away from his theory about how his son died. Could that possibly be because he doesn't want Bob to spoil his conclusion about how the family members aren't kooks like Alex Jones and the blackshirts?

Sword_Of_Truth · 13th November 2010, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by brazenlilraisin

For a second I thought bill smith had changed his avatar....

That's not Bill Smith". That's Rolf Lindgren, former campaign manager for accused wife-beater and the twoof movements biggest death threat spammer, Kevin Barrett.

He also believes himself to be the 450 year old Italian Renaissance scientist Galileo as well as multiple American revolution figures.

TheRedWorm · 14th November 2010, 04:20 AM

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

That's not Bill Smith". That's Rolf Lindgren, former campaign manager for accused wife-beater and the twoof movements biggest death threat spammer, Kevin Barrett.

He also believes himself to be the 450 year old Italian Renaissance scientist Galileo as well as multiple American revolution figures.

Really? All this time I thought it was nothing more than a bored 15 year old trolling for kicks.

DGM · 14th November 2010, 04:39 AM

I wonder why Tony didn't add that he thinks the towers were also brought down with explosives. I would have loved to see Geraldos' face after that. Bob McIlvaine so wanted to go off on a rant, I wonder what Geraldo told them they could and couldn't get into (especially considering his opening comments)

Dog Town · 14th November 2010, 05:08 AM

Well the gig is up! FOX news is onto us. I suggest we put plan Omega into action.See everyone at the rendezvous

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Mr.Herbert · 14th November 2010, 05:45 AM

Poor misguided Bob. He will spend the rest of his life chasing this non existent ghost.

Poor Tony..he will spend the rest of his life looking like Mayor McCheese.

RedIbis · 14th November 2010, 07:28 AM

Congrats to Tony, Bob and the Building What campaign. This is immeasurable amounts of advertising value. One has to wonder why Fox would put this on now.

Tony, especially, was measured and calm and didn't fall into the rhetorical traps of saying how the explosives were planted or why gov't figures would do such a thing.

I guess 9/11 "Truth" doesn't just disappear when you turn the internet off.

bill smith · 14th November 2010, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by brazenlilraisin

For a second I thought bill smith had changed his avatar....

Nope. I am in 100% agreement with Galileo though. The goose will soon be cooked. Appropriate for the time of year actually. lol

bill smith · 14th November 2010, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by Dog Town

Well the gig is up! FOX news is onto us. I suggest we put plan Omega into action.See everyone at the rendezvous

.

The golden rule is never ever trust FOX. They may well be working with the perps to set up an impotent investigation.

TheRedWorm · 14th November 2010, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

<snip>
Tony, especially, was measured and calm and didn't fall into the rhetorical traps of saying how the explosives were planted or why gov't figures would do such a thing.<snip>

You heard it here, folks. The TM doesn't care about what actually happened. Just so long as it's the big bad "Gov't's" fault...

jhunter1163 · 14th November 2010, 07:35 AM

I don't see how 9/11 Truth is advanced at all by this.

bill smith · 14th November 2010, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by DGM

I wonder why Tony didn't add that he thinks the towers were also brought down with explosives. I would have loved to see Geraldos' face after that. Bob McIlvaine so wanted to go off on a rant, I wonder what Geraldo told them they could and couldn't get into (especially considering his opening comments)

Tony is smart. We will lay it on thick and fast once the demolition of WTC7 gets into general circulation. Then the Towers will be easy to prove beyond any reasonable doubt.We can wait..

RedIbis · 14th November 2010, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by TheRedWorm

You heard it here, folks. The TM doesn't care about what actually happened. Just so long as it's the big bad "Gov't's" fault...

He was honest when he said he doesn't pretend to know how it was done. Knowing NIST's hypothesis is false is not contingent on whether or not you have the perpetrator.

Why can't the so-called debunkers figure that out?

dc1971 · 14th November 2010, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

What investigating WTC7's collapse has to do with the death of Bob's son in WTC2 is not explained.

Okay, now I've lost all respect for Geraldo Rivera and for Tony Szamboti (yes, I know you're here on JREF from time to time). Fox News is way past even using the word - RESPECT. Using the word COMICAL is more like it!

Tony, I still don't understand why there has to be a debate or even an issue as to what happened!

bill smith · 14th November 2010, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by Dog Town

Well the gig is up! FOX news is onto us. I suggest we put plan Omega into action.See everyone at the rendezvous

.

Operation passport check might be a good name too.lol

RedIbis · 14th November 2010, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by jhunter1163

I don't see how 9/11 Truth is advanced at all by this.

Because you're blinded by your bias. Fox News is the most popular news channel in the US. Bob and Tony were given over 8 minutes of air time. This was not a hit piece. Geraldo concluded by saying that he now has an open mind, even though he was previously dismissive of any conspiracy theory.

Your average viewer might also be curious and check out the website and info promoted by Bob and Tony. There were upwards of tens of millions of people who were exposed to this clip. Compare that with the weekly traffic for jref, gravylinks, or 911debunking.

dc1971 · 14th November 2010, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

He was honest when he said he doesn't pretend to know how it was done. Knowing NIST's hypothesis is false is not contingent on whether or not you have the perpetrator.

Why can't the so-called debunkers figure that out?

Get a life!

16.5 · 14th November 2010, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

He was honest when he said he doesn't pretend to know how it was done. Knowing NIST's hypothesis is false is not contingent on whether or not you have the perpetrator.

Why can't the so-called debunkers figure that out?

Knowing that NIST's hypothesis is false is, however, contingent on articulating a cohesive explanation why, which you have utterly (in fact, in your case, hilariously) failed to do Red.

Why can't you figure that out?

Too busy adopting Judy Woods insane No Planer theories, Red? Hmm, Red, ya No Planer?

bill smith · 14th November 2010, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by ProBonoShill

"1300 architects and engineers"

LOL

Even more than that actually. JHere....you and the Readers can check out their website if you want the details..

http://ae911truth.org/

TheRedWorm · 14th November 2010, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by 16.5

Knowing that NIST's hypothesis is false is, however, contingent on articulating a cohesive explanation why, which you have utterly (in fact, in your case, hilariously) failed to do Red.

Why can't you figure that out?

Too busy adopting Judy Woods insane No Planer theories, Red? Hmm, Red, ya No Planer?

That's a really good point. What the TM seems to be doing is the same as asking someone what their parent's names are, and just saying "no, they aren't" to every reply, and admitting that you have no clue what their names actually are. How can you be so sure their names aren't Nancy and Craig, when you just admitted that you have no idea what their names actually are?

dc1971 · 14th November 2010, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Even more than that actually. JHere....you and the Readers can check out their website if you want the details..

http://ae911truth.org/

Are YA SURE those are architects and engineers????

bill smith · 14th November 2010, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by 16.5

Knowing that NIST's hypothesis is false is, however, contingent on articulating a cohesive explanation why, which you have utterly (in fact, in your case, hilariously) failed to do Red.

Why can't you figure that out?

Too busy adopting Judy Woods insane No Planer theories, Red? Hmm, Red, ya No Planer?

NIST as you know it is already done. Now that we have seen the masses of critical evidence that they have been hiding for all these years with the new FOIA releases their guilt is clearly established. Prison beckons. What is the punishment for high Treason in America ?

Sunder had better consider his position.

Quad4_72 · 14th November 2010, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

NIST as you know it is already done. Now that we have seen the masses of critical evidence that they have been hiding for all these years with the new FOIA releases their guilt is clearly established. Prison beckons. What is the punishment for high Treason in America ?

Sunder had better consider his position.

You're saying silly things again bill. Please stop.

Galileo · 14th November 2010, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by ProBonoShill

"1300 architects and engineers"

LOL

LOL, you are in denial. No wonder you are losing.

DGM · 14th November 2010, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

Because you're blinded by your bias. Fox News is the most popular news channel in the US. Bob and Tony were given over 8 minutes of air time. This was not a hit piece. Geraldo concluded by saying that he now has an open mind, even though he was previously dismissive of any conspiracy theory.

Your average viewer might also be curious and check out the website and info promoted by Bob and Tony. There were upwards of tens of millions of people who were exposed to this clip. Compare that with the weekly traffic for jref, gravylinks, or 911debunking.

Wait, FOX news is now the authoritative source? When did this change? I thought you guys called them "Faux" news.

DGM · 14th November 2010, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Even more than that actually. JHere....you and the Readers can check out their website if you want the details..

http://ae911truth.org/

I agree Bill. I think FOX should publish the petition list along with their personal statements and qualifications. You agree?

BTW: When do you think Gage is going to submit his petition to Congress? You know this might be a problem (considering he's a non-profit)?

RedIbis · 14th November 2010, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by DGM

Wait, FOX news is now the authoritative source? When did this change? I thought you guys called them "Faux" news.

I used the word, 'popular'. You used the word 'authoritative.' Do you wish to contest that they are in fact, the most popular news channel in the US?

bill smith · 14th November 2010, 08:41 AM

I'm just waiting for more Shills in the media to read the writing on the wall. We may see a lot of Geraldo-type stuff like 'Wow....now I have an open mind' 'I never realised'. 'The Truth Movement may well be right'.

WE may see Charlie on Larry pretty soon..

bill smith · 14th November 2010, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by DGM

I agree Bill. I think FOX should publish the petition list along with their personal statements and qualifications. You agree?

BTW: When do you think Gage is going to submit his petition to Congress? You know this might be a problem (considering he's a non-profit)?

We will find a way DGM. You know it.

ergo · 14th November 2010, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Even more than that actually. JHere....you and the Readers can check out their website if you want the details..

http://ae911truth.org/

Yeah, but Bill, there must be at least twelve architects and engineers here on jref - or at least students of - and that FAR outnumbers 1,358, if we use bee dunker math.

DGM · 14th November 2010, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

I used the word, 'popular'. You used the word 'authoritative.' Do you wish to contest that they are in fact, the most popular news channel in the US?

I stand corrected.

What do you think, Should FOX post Gages' petition list with their personal statements and qualifications?

Unsecured Coins · 14th November 2010, 08:50 AM

I'll pencil the revolution in between my lunch with Jesus and cashing my back to back winning PowerBall tickets in

13th November 2010, 10:26 PM	#2
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13th November 2010, 10:39 PM	#4
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DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,350	I wonder why Tony didn't add that he thinks the towers were also brought down with explosives. I would have loved to see Geraldos' face after that. Bob McIlvaine so wanted to go off on a rant, I wonder what Geraldo told them they could and couldn't get into (especially considering his opening comments)
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RedIbis Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,829	Congrats to Tony, Bob and the Building What campaign. This is immeasurable amounts of advertising value. One has to wonder why Fox would put this on now. Tony, especially, was measured and calm and didn't fall into the rhetorical traps of saying how the explosives were planted or why gov't figures would do such a thing. I guess 9/11 "Truth" doesn't just disappear when you turn the internet off.
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bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by brazenlilraisin For a second I thought bill smith had changed his avatar.... Nope. I am in 100% agreement with Galileo though. The goose will soon be cooked. Appropriate for the time of year actually. lol
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14th November 2010, 07:33 AM	#17
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by Dog Town Well the gig is up! FOX news is onto us. I suggest we put plan Omega into action.See everyone at the rendezvous. The golden rule is never ever trust FOX. They may well be working with the perps to set up an impotent investigation.
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TheRedWorm I AM the Red Worm! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Body: Michigan, Heart: Chicago Posts: 3,917	Originally Posted by RedIbis <snip> Tony, especially, was measured and calm and didn't fall into the rhetorical traps of saying how the explosives were planted or why gov't figures would do such a thing.<snip> You heard it here, folks. The TM doesn't care about what actually happened. Just so long as it's the big bad "Gov't's" fault...
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14th November 2010, 07:35 AM	#19
jhunter1163 Beer-Swilling Semiliterate Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Room 118, Bohemian Grove Marriott Posts: 15,624	I don't see how 9/11 Truth is advanced at all by this.

14th November 2010, 07:36 AM	#20
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by DGM I wonder why Tony didn't add that he thinks the towers were also brought down with explosives. I would have loved to see Geraldos' face after that. Bob McIlvaine so wanted to go off on a rant, I wonder what Geraldo told them they could and couldn't get into (especially considering his opening comments) Tony is smart. We will lay it on thick and fast once the demolition of WTC7 gets into general circulation. Then the Towers will be easy to prove beyond any reasonable doubt.We can wait..
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RedIbis Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,829	Originally Posted by TheRedWorm You heard it here, folks. The TM doesn't care about what actually happened. Just so long as it's the big bad "Gov't's" fault... He was honest when he said he doesn't pretend to know how it was done. Knowing NIST's hypothesis is false is not contingent on whether or not you have the perpetrator. Why can't the so-called debunkers figure that out?
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dc1971 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,033	Originally Posted by Orphia Nay What investigating WTC7's collapse has to do with the death of Bob's son in WTC2 is not explained. Okay, now I've lost all respect for Geraldo Rivera and for Tony Szamboti (yes, I know you're here on JREF from time to time). Fox News is way past even using the word - RESPECT. Using the word COMICAL is more like it! Tony, I still don't understand why there has to be a debate or even an issue as to what happened!
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14th November 2010, 07:38 AM	#23
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by Dog Town Well the gig is up! FOX news is onto us. I suggest we put plan Omega into action.See everyone at the rendezvous. Operation passport check might be a good name too.lol
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14th November 2010, 07:39 AM	#24
RedIbis Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,829	Originally Posted by jhunter1163 I don't see how 9/11 Truth is advanced at all by this. Because you're blinded by your bias. Fox News is the most popular news channel in the US. Bob and Tony were given over 8 minutes of air time. This was not a hit piece. Geraldo concluded by saying that he now has an open mind, even though he was previously dismissive of any conspiracy theory. Your average viewer might also be curious and check out the website and info promoted by Bob and Tony. There were upwards of tens of millions of people who were exposed to this clip. Compare that with the weekly traffic for jref, gravylinks, or 911debunking.
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14th November 2010, 07:40 AM	#25
dc1971 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,033	Originally Posted by RedIbis He was honest when he said he doesn't pretend to know how it was done. Knowing NIST's hypothesis is false is not contingent on whether or not you have the perpetrator. Why can't the so-called debunkers figure that out? Get a life!
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14th November 2010, 07:42 AM	#26
16.5 Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,827	Originally Posted by RedIbis He was honest when he said he doesn't pretend to know how it was done. Knowing NIST's hypothesis is false is not contingent on whether or not you have the perpetrator. Why can't the so-called debunkers figure that out? Knowing that NIST's hypothesis is false is, however, contingent on articulating a cohesive explanation why, which you have utterly (in fact, in your case, hilariously) failed to do Red. Why can't you figure that out? Too busy adopting Judy Woods insane No Planer theories, Red? Hmm, Red, ya No Planer?
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14th November 2010, 07:43 AM	#27
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by ProBonoShill "1300 architects and engineers" LOL Even more than that actually. JHere....you and the Readers can check out their website if you want the details.. http://ae911truth.org/
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TheRedWorm I AM the Red Worm! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Body: Michigan, Heart: Chicago Posts: 3,917	Originally Posted by 16.5 Knowing that NIST's hypothesis is false is, however, contingent on articulating a cohesive explanation why, which you have utterly (in fact, in your case, hilariously) failed to do Red. Why can't you figure that out? Too busy adopting Judy Woods insane No Planer theories, Red? Hmm, Red, ya No Planer? That's a really good point. What the TM seems to be doing is the same as asking someone what their parent's names are, and just saying "no, they aren't" to every reply, and admitting that you have no clue what their names actually are. How can you be so sure their names aren't Nancy and Craig, when you just admitted that you have no idea what their names actually are?
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14th November 2010, 07:51 AM	#29
dc1971 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,033	Originally Posted by bill smith Even more than that actually. JHere....you and the Readers can check out their website if you want the details.. http://ae911truth.org/ Are YA SURE those are architects and engineers????
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14th November 2010, 07:59 AM	#30
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by 16.5 Knowing that NIST's hypothesis is false is, however, contingent on articulating a cohesive explanation why, which you have utterly (in fact, in your case, hilariously) failed to do Red. Why can't you figure that out? Too busy adopting Judy Woods insane No Planer theories, Red? Hmm, Red, ya No Planer? NIST as you know it is already done. Now that we have seen the masses of critical evidence that they have been hiding for all these years with the new FOIA releases their guilt is clearly established. Prison beckons. What is the punishment for high Treason in America ? Sunder had better consider his position.
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	__________________ Think WTC7 - You cannot make the four corners of a table fall together unless you cut the four legs together A kitchen table judgement on a world scale is enough * To Citizens: 'There comes a time when silence is betrayal'

14th November 2010, 08:21 AM	#31
Quad4_72 AI-EE-YAH! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: USA Posts: 5,830	Originally Posted by bill smith NIST as you know it is already done. Now that we have seen the masses of critical evidence that they have been hiding for all these years with the new FOIA releases their guilt is clearly established. Prison beckons. What is the punishment for high Treason in America ? Sunder had better consider his position. You're saying silly things again bill. Please stop.
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14th November 2010, 08:26 AM	#32
Galileo Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Middleton, WI Posts: 3,368	Originally Posted by ProBonoShill "1300 architects and engineers" LOL LOL, you are in denial. No wonder you are losing.
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14th November 2010, 08:33 AM	#33
DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,350	Originally Posted by RedIbis Because you're blinded by your bias. Fox News is the most popular news channel in the US. Bob and Tony were given over 8 minutes of air time. This was not a hit piece. Geraldo concluded by saying that he now has an open mind, even though he was previously dismissive of any conspiracy theory. Your average viewer might also be curious and check out the website and info promoted by Bob and Tony. There were upwards of tens of millions of people who were exposed to this clip. Compare that with the weekly traffic for jref, gravylinks, or 911debunking. Wait, FOX news is now the authoritative source? When did this change? I thought you guys called them "Faux" news.
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14th November 2010, 08:38 AM	#34
DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,350	Originally Posted by bill smith Even more than that actually. JHere....you and the Readers can check out their website if you want the details.. http://ae911truth.org/ I agree Bill. I think FOX should publish the petition list along with their personal statements and qualifications. You agree? BTW: When do you think Gage is going to submit his petition to Congress? You know this might be a problem (considering he's a non-profit)?
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14th November 2010, 08:41 AM	#35
RedIbis Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,829	Originally Posted by DGM Wait, FOX news is now the authoritative source? When did this change? I thought you guys called them "Faux" news. I used the word, 'popular'. You used the word 'authoritative.' Do you wish to contest that they are in fact, the most popular news channel in the US?
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14th November 2010, 08:45 AM	#37
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by DGM I agree Bill. I think FOX should publish the petition list along with their personal statements and qualifications. You agree? BTW: When do you think Gage is going to submit his petition to Congress? You know this might be a problem (considering he's a non-profit)? We will find a way DGM. You know it.
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	__________________ Think WTC7 - You cannot make the four corners of a table fall together unless you cut the four legs together A kitchen table judgement on a world scale is enough * To Citizens: 'There comes a time when silence is betrayal'