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Vorticity · 24th November 2010, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by Fnord

@alfa1: Please provide valid evidence for the existence of chakrae.

Perhaps the first step (before providing evidence for the existence of chakras) is to tell us what chakras are?

I have no idea, and I can't be arsed to look it up. Luckily, we have at least one expert here who can tell us...

(I'm not being entirely snarky. I really want to know what they are supposed to be. Knowledge makes my kundalini rise.

)

Fnord · 24th November 2010, 07:24 PM

This Wikipedia Article explains the chakra myth fairly well. Here's an excerpt:

Quote:

"...Chakra is a concept referring to wheel-like vortices which, according to traditional Indian medicine, are believed to exist in the surface of the etheric double of man. The Chakras are said to be "force centers" or whorls of energy permeating, from a point on the physical body, the layers of the subtle bodies in an ever-increasing fan-shaped formation. Rotating vortices of subtle matter, they are considered the focal points for the reception and transmission of energies. Different systems posit a varying number of chakras; the most well known system in the West is that of 7 chakras ... Texts describing the chakras go back as far as the later Upanishads, for example the Yoga Kundalini Upanishad..."

Certainly a detailed article, but one based on tradition and apocryphal accounts only.

quarky · 24th November 2010, 07:32 PM

The lower chakras are disgusting, but fun for a time.
Eventually, the higher chakras get lit up, and we become groovy.

One of them, the grooviest one, is actually above your head, kind of floating in the realm of your other body. Why not? It makes more sense than an endless mortgage, traffic jams, a cubicle, and Dancing with the stars.

I'm not being snarky at all.
Reality is snarky, if anything.

Make something up. Its allowed. Take it seriously, if you must. That's allowed too, but it's less fun. Logic and reason are taking us to a place that is very non-magical.
Even after we've solved the problem of inter-planetary travel, we'll mostly have to work in oppressive mines. I've seen the movies.

Woo comes to the rescue, but only if you can handle it...or really hate a cubicle.

tsig · 24th November 2010, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by SumDood

You are WAY off. Would one test the polarity of a Bogin-time reversal module with bare hands and a volt-meter? Only if you wanted to disrupt the existing continuum belt! Eigenstates only correspond to the innate differential between the first member of any set. To properly deduce the Clebsch-Gordan coefficients, one must first lay forth the principles postulated by the great quantum philosopher Zeron Druthers, in which he configured the locations of the Chi lines via sub-protian scanning. This is basic theoretical quantum. Try cracking a book sometime.

Last time I cracked a book i got thrown out of the library.

Fnord · 24th November 2010, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by alfa1

Not easy to understand the chakras.
How I did more than 20 years ago: I read 3 acupuncture books; start with the acupuncture and maybe in one day you will understand the chakras.

Special Pleading?* I had hoped for better. I have also read many books on chakrae, accupuncture, and other similar topics.

Oh, and I understand the chakra myth just fine. I also understand the concept of faith very well. IMO, your claims for the existence of chakrae seem to be entirely faith-based (and thus, religious), and therefor lack any valid evidence to support them.

Is your claim for the existence of chakrae fact-based or faith-based?

If the former, then please provide valid evidence for the existence of chakrae. If the latter, then your claim is no more valid than any other religious claim -- that is, irrelevant to anyone other than you, the believer.

_{*Special Pleading is: (1) The assertion of new or special matter to offset the opposing party's allegations; (2) A presentation of an argument that emphasizes only a favorable or single aspect of the question at issue; or (3) A claim that certain pre-requisites are necessary for the understanding of the original claim.

For example, a typical claim that uses Special Pleading is: "Horoscopes work, but you have to understand the theory behind Astrology for them to work correctly."}

Little 10 Toes · 24th November 2010, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by alfa1

Not easy to understand the chakras.
How I did more than 20 years ago:I read 3 acupuncture books; start with the acupuncture and maybe in one day you will understand the chakras.

(bolding added)

I've had 3 years of science in high school and 2 college classes. Doing that required me to read 5 science books. That happened less than 20 years ago. Even though I have read more books than you, that does not make me a science expert.

You fail.

Aepervius · 25th November 2010, 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by quarky

I farted and burped simultaneously. For all i know, I am the first.
If you think its irrelevant, or easy, try to do it.
You can read about the experience on my blog, or buy the book and the t-shirt.

My ego swells with every moment I revel in this achievement, yet I remain humble and accessible.

How cool is that?

Reverse the w in a mirror.

I don't know if your ego swells, but I betcha it certainly smelled at that moment

.

catsmate1 · 25th November 2010, 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by AdMan

Why is it that you are just spouting nonsense without addressing any of the questions and comments in the thread? If you refuse to engage in any sort of discussion, why come here? You already have your blog.

He has a couple of vanity published books to sell, and they're not doing well.

Wrathernaut · 25th November 2010, 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by catsmate1

He has a couple of vanity published books to sell, and they're not doing well.

Wow, 214 pages of this guy? I'll pass.

alfa1 · 25th November 2010, 04:44 AM

Chinese scientists are using the country's most expensive ever science project, a light-emitting synchrotron, to solve the mystery of acupuncture points.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201...c_13159050.htm

dafydd · 25th November 2010, 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

Chinese scientists are using the country's most expensive ever science project, a light-emitting synchrotron, to solve the mystery of acupuncture points.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201...c_13159050.htm

The only mystery is why people believe it.When will you be providing us with proof that chakras exist?

Dancing David · 25th November 2010, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

For chakras read some Yoga books

For evidence you have none. Welcome to the JREF, you need to actually explain you ideas, then present the evidence.

Waving your hands at someone else's work, is lazy.

So you don't know what a chakra is and you can't explain why you think they exist.

Dancing David · 25th November 2010, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

Not easy to understand the chakras.
How I did more than 20 years ago:I read 3 acupuncture books; start with the acupuncture and maybe in one day you will understand the chakras.

So again you just show, you don't even know what you really think.

Dancing David · 25th November 2010, 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

Chinese scientists are using the country's most expensive ever science project, a light-emitting synchrotron, to solve the mystery of acupuncture points.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201...c_13159050.htm

That is called moving the goal posts, you still haven't shown what a chakra is or how your equation is more than just monkeys typing randomly.

ArmillarySphere · 25th November 2010, 06:49 AM

There's no particular mystery about acupuncture points. While prodding the surface layer of the skin with needles may in fact affect the immune system, there's no extra benefit to certain points as opposed to putting them in at random. This has been shown in controlled studies, though I'm afraid I don't have the reference on hand at the moment.

alfa1 · 25th November 2010, 07:50 AM

In my book Who am I? you can read about chakras.
A whole chapter about chakras is waiting for you!

http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/who-am-i/2294872

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madurobob · 25th November 2010, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

In my book Who am I? you can read about chakras.
A whole chapter about chakras is waiting for you!

http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/who-am-i/2294872

Well, with a bit of work we can ensure that the number one google hit for this nonsense is this thread here at the jref forums. Perhaps that can save a brain or two from falling for this pseudo-scientific claptrap.

Please keep posting, and please be sure to include this in each post:
|ψ> = c1|Φ1> + c2|Φ2> + c3|Φ3> + c4|Φ4> + c5|Φ5> + c6|Φ6> + c7|Φ7>
are 7 states |Φi > because are 7 major chakras or energy centers.

Resume · 25th November 2010, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

In my book Who am I? you can read about chakras.
A whole chapter about chakras is waiting for you!

http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/who-am-i/2294872

I'll get on this right after the other million or so things I want to do before I croak.

Fnord · 25th November 2010, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

In my book Who am I? you can read about chakras.
A whole chapter about chakras is waiting for you!

http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/who-am-i/2294872

This post was reported as an attempt to sell a product.

This entire thread has been a lame attempt by the OP to get people to buy his book, which does not prove the existence of chakrae.

dafydd · 25th November 2010, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by alfa1

In my book Who am I? you can read about chakras.
A whole chapter about chakras is waiting for you!

http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/who-am-i/2294872

I'd rather stick forks in my eyes than read your book.Tell me what chakras are,and provide proof that they exist.

dafydd · 25th November 2010, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by alfa1

In my book Who am I? you can read about chakras.
A whole chapter about chakras is waiting for you!

http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/who-am-i/2294872

That only proves that your book exists.

Marduk · 25th November 2010, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by alfa1

I am the first in the world who wrote a link between science and spirituality.
.

I thought that was Plato

dafydd · 25th November 2010, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Marduk

I thought that was Plato

He is the million and first.

Mirrorglass · 25th November 2010, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by madurobob

Well, with a bit of work we can ensure that the number one google hit for this nonsense is this thread here at the jref forums. Perhaps that can save a brain or two from falling for this pseudo-scientific claptrap.

Please keep posting, and please be sure to include this in each post:
|ψ> = c1|Φ1> + c2|Φ2> + c3|Φ3> + c4|Φ4> + c5|Φ5> + c6|Φ6> + c7|Φ7>
are 7 states |Φi > because are 7 major chakras or energy centers.

Yes, I bet there are vast hordes of people googling that particular phrase.

madurobob · 25th November 2010, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Mirrorglass

Yes, I bet there are vast hordes of people googling that particular phrase.

Well, sure, Alfa1 has not gone on his speaking tour and appearance on Ellen yet. But, just you wait and see...

marplots · 25th November 2010, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by alfa1

Chinese scientists are using the country's most expensive ever science project, a light-emitting synchrotron, to solve the mystery of acupuncture points.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201...c_13159050.htm

This is very interesting. It was published 10 months ago. Have they had any results?

I expect that, as a respected scientific operation, they will publish both positive and negative findings?

alfa1 · 26th November 2010, 07:43 AM

‎"The highest skepticism: Skeptic about your death"

Adrian Ferent

Dancing David · 26th November 2010, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

‎"The highest skepticism: Skeptic about your death"

Adrian Ferent

Considering that is out of blue, it may make sense to you but its is very opaque to the rest of us.

You have no evidence of life after death, life before birth or chakras that you have presented as of yet.

You have come to site that promototes questions, reasoning and critical thought and all you can do is hand wave and now quote yourself. Rather weak.

You can't even explian what you mean when you use the word chakra, you have presented no evidence but you quote yourself? Amazing.

dafydd · 26th November 2010, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

‎"The highest skepticism: Skeptic about your death"

Adrian Ferent

So we can take it that you have no evidence of the existence of chakras?

dafydd · 26th November 2010, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

‎"The highest skepticism: Skeptic about your death"

Adrian Ferent

I am not.It will happen one day.Any more meaningless quotes?

Mahaha · 26th November 2010, 09:35 AM

Why don't they ever answer? Isn't there one that instead of "just knowing" can prove something?

tsig · 26th November 2010, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Mahaha

Why don't they ever answer? Isn't there one that instead of "just knowing" can prove something?

Those who know won't say, those who say don't know.

Oldest cop-out in the book.

Flowery language grows best in a garden well fertilized with bull dung.

Fnord · 26th November 2010, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Dancing David

Originally Posted by alfa1

‎"The highest skepticism: Skeptic about your death" Adrian Ferent

Considering that is out of blue, it may make sense to you but its is very opaque to the rest of us.

It's both a 'non-Sequitur' and a 'Red Herring', in that it has nothing to do with the original claim, and that it relies on the emotional aspects of the topic of death to divert the reader from the fact that Adrian Ferent can not prove any of his claims.

Originally Posted by Dancing David

You have no evidence of life after death, life before birth or chakras that you have presented as of yet.

Adrien apparently knows nothing about science, so what do you expect?

Originally Posted by Dancing David

You have come to site that promotes questions, reasoning and critical thought and all you can do is hand wave and now quote yourself. Rather weak.

Actually, he seems to have come to the site to gain attention in the hope of selling his book ... but I agree that even this effort is rather weak.

Originally Posted by Dancing David

You can't even explain what you mean when you use the word chakra, you have presented no evidence but you quote yourself? Amazing.

I think it's called 'Appeal to False Authority'. Yet, according to his Curriculum Vitae, he has been unemployed since 2005. I wonder why?

Originally Posted by dafydd

So we can take it that you have no evidence of the existence of chakras?

He has no evidence for the existence of his authority on the subject, and much less evidence for the subject itself. Ce te astepti? Cei care pot, fac. Cei care nu pot, predau. Cei care nu stiu nimic, scrie ficţiune!

AdMan · 26th November 2010, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Fnord

I think it's called 'Appeal to False Authority'. Yet, according to his Curriculum Vitae, he has been unemployed since 2005. I wonder why?

Turns out there's only three degrees of separation between me and Adrian on LinkedIn. Scary.

Adrian, I'm still not buying any of your BS books--sorry.

Robin · 26th November 2010, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by paiute

I thought the primary equation was b4I4q ru/18 qt(pi)?

In Australia it is b4 i√u ru/18 as far as I can recall.

Possibly only Australians will get this.

Fnord · 26th November 2010, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Robin

In Australia it is b4 i√u ru/18 as far as I can recall.

Possibly only Australians will get this.

i√u should be i⁴Q

No, I'm not Australian...

alfa1 · 26th November 2010, 12:27 PM

After death job: look for chakras!

Have Fun!

Little 10 Toes · 26th November 2010, 12:34 PM

alfa1, get off your trollerskates and answer some basic questions. Proof that there are such things as chakras and proof that there is life after death.

If you can't do something as simple as that, get back on your trollerskates and go somewhere else where people will believe your statements without any proof.

dafydd · 26th November 2010, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by alfa1

After death job: look for chakras!

Have Fun!

Why don't you ever answer questions? Do you want a dialogue or are you just trolling?

24th November 2010, 06:54 PM	#121
Vorticity Fluid Mechanic Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Alamos, NM Posts: 2,651	Originally Posted by Fnord @alfa1: Please provide valid evidence for the existence of chakrae. Perhaps the first step (before providing evidence for the existence of chakras) is to tell us what chakras are? I have no idea, and I can't be arsed to look it up. Luckily, we have at least one expert here who can tell us... (I'm not being entirely snarky. I really want to know what they are supposed to be. Knowledge makes my kundalini rise. )
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24th November 2010, 07:24 PM	#122
Fnord Metasyntactic Variable Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 6,633	This Wikipedia Article explains the chakra myth fairly well. Here's an excerpt: Quote: "...Chakra is a concept referring to wheel-like vortices which, according to traditional Indian medicine, are believed to exist in the surface of the etheric double of man. The Chakras are said to be "force centers" or whorls of energy permeating, from a point on the physical body, the layers of the subtle bodies in an ever-increasing fan-shaped formation. Rotating vortices of subtle matter, they are considered the focal points for the reception and transmission of energies. Different systems posit a varying number of chakras; the most well known system in the West is that of 7 chakras ... Texts describing the chakras go back as far as the later Upanishads, for example the Yoga Kundalini Upanishad..." Certainly a detailed article, but one based on tradition and apocryphal accounts only.
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24th November 2010, 07:32 PM	#123
quarky Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 20,454	The lower chakras are disgusting, but fun for a time. Eventually, the higher chakras get lit up, and we become groovy. One of them, the grooviest one, is actually above your head, kind of floating in the realm of your other body. Why not? It makes more sense than an endless mortgage, traffic jams, a cubicle, and Dancing with the stars. I'm not being snarky at all. Reality is snarky, if anything. Make something up. Its allowed. Take it seriously, if you must. That's allowed too, but it's less fun. Logic and reason are taking us to a place that is very non-magical. Even after we've solved the problem of inter-planetary travel, we'll mostly have to work in oppressive mines. I've seen the movies. Woo comes to the rescue, but only if you can handle it...or really hate a cubicle.
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24th November 2010, 07:46 PM	#125
Fnord Metasyntactic Variable Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 6,633	Originally Posted by alfa1 Not easy to understand the chakras. How I did more than 20 years ago: I read 3 acupuncture books; start with the acupuncture and maybe in one day you will understand the chakras. Special Pleading?* I had hoped for better. I have also read many books on chakrae, accupuncture, and other similar topics. Oh, and I understand the chakra myth just fine. I also understand the concept of faith very well. IMO, your claims for the existence of chakrae seem to be entirely faith-based (and thus, religious), and therefor lack any valid evidence to support them. Is your claim for the existence of chakrae fact-based or faith-based? If the former, then please provide valid evidence for the existence of chakrae. If the latter, then your claim is no more valid than any other religious claim -- that is, irrelevant to anyone other than you, the believer. _{*Special Pleading is: (1) The assertion of new or special matter to offset the opposing party's allegations; (2) A presentation of an argument that emphasizes only a favorable or single aspect of the question at issue; or (3) A claim that certain pre-requisites are necessary for the understanding of the original claim. For example, a typical claim that uses Special Pleading is: "Horoscopes work, but you have to understand the theory behind Astrology for them to work correctly."}
	__________________ Belief is the subjective acceptance of a (valid or invalid) concept, opinion, or theory; Faith is the unreasoned belief in improvable things; *and Knowledge* is the reasoned belief in provable things. Belief itself proves nothing.**

24th November 2010, 08:40 PM	#126
Little 10 Toes Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Who's house? Run's house! Posts: 1,458	Originally Posted by alfa1 Not easy to understand the chakras. How I did more than 20 years ago:I read 3 acupuncture books; start with the acupuncture and maybe in one day you will understand the chakras. (bolding added) I've had 3 years of science in high school and 2 college classes. Doing that required me to read 5 science books. That happened less than 20 years ago. Even though I have read more books than you, that does not make me a science expert. You fail.
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24th November 2010, 07:46 PM	#124
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,776	Originally Posted by SumDood You are WAY off. Would one test the polarity of a Bogin-time reversal module with bare hands and a volt-meter? Only if you wanted to disrupt the existing continuum belt! Eigenstates only correspond to the innate differential between the first member of any set. To properly deduce the Clebsch-Gordan coefficients, one must first lay forth the principles postulated by the great quantum philosopher Zeron Druthers, in which he configured the locations of the Chi lines via sub-protian scanning. This is basic theoretical quantum. Try cracking a book sometime. Last time I cracked a book i got thrown out of the library.

25th November 2010, 01:49 AM	#127
Aepervius Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bierland. I mean , germany. Posts: 7,756	Originally Posted by quarky I farted and burped simultaneously. For all i know, I am the first. If you think its irrelevant, or easy, try to do it. You can read about the experience on my blog, or buy the book and the t-shirt. My ego swells with every moment I revel in this achievement, yet I remain humble and accessible. How cool is that? Reverse the w in a mirror. I don't know if your ego swells, but I betcha it certainly smelled at that moment .
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25th November 2010, 02:20 AM	#128
catsmate1 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Dublin (the one in Ireland) Posts: 7,122	Originally Posted by AdMan Why is it that you are just spouting nonsense without addressing any of the questions and comments in the thread? If you refuse to engage in any sort of discussion, why come here? You already have your blog. He has a couple of vanity published books to sell, and they're not doing well.

25th November 2010, 03:32 AM	#129
Wrathernaut Thinker Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 243	Originally Posted by catsmate1 He has a couple of vanity published books to sell, and they're not doing well. Wow, 214 pages of this guy? I'll pass.
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25th November 2010, 04:44 AM	#130
alfa1 Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 331	Chinese scientists are using the country's most expensive ever science project, a light-emitting synchrotron, to solve the mystery of acupuncture points. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201...c_13159050.htm
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25th November 2010, 05:12 AM	#131
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,475	Originally Posted by alfa1 Chinese scientists are using the country's most expensive ever science project, a light-emitting synchrotron, to solve the mystery of acupuncture points. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201...c_13159050.htm The only mystery is why people believe it.When will you be providing us with proof that chakras exist?

25th November 2010, 05:13 AM	#132
Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,716	Originally Posted by alfa1 For chakras read some Yoga books For evidence you have none. Welcome to the JREF, you need to actually explain you ideas, then present the evidence. Waving your hands at someone else's work, is lazy. So you don't know what a chakra is and you can't explain why you think they exist.
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25th November 2010, 05:15 AM	#133
Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,716	Originally Posted by alfa1 Not easy to understand the chakras. How I did more than 20 years ago:I read 3 acupuncture books; start with the acupuncture and maybe in one day you will understand the chakras. So again you just show, you don't even know what you really think.
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25th November 2010, 05:17 AM	#134
Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,716	Originally Posted by alfa1 Chinese scientists are using the country's most expensive ever science project, a light-emitting synchrotron, to solve the mystery of acupuncture points. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201...c_13159050.htm That is called moving the goal posts, you still haven't shown what a chakra is or how your equation is more than just monkeys typing randomly.
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25th November 2010, 06:49 AM	#135
ArmillarySphere Muse Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: London Posts: 713	There's no particular mystery about acupuncture points. While prodding the surface layer of the skin with needles may in fact affect the immune system, there's no extra benefit to certain points as opposed to putting them in at random. This has been shown in controlled studies, though I'm afraid I don't have the reference on hand at the moment.

25th November 2010, 07:50 AM	#136
alfa1 Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 331	In my book Who am I? you can read about chakras. A whole chapter about chakras is waiting for you! http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/who-am-i/2294872
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25th November 2010, 08:26 AM	#138
madurobob Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Blue Heaven, NC Posts: 5,546	Originally Posted by alfa1 In my book Who am I? you can read about chakras. A whole chapter about chakras is waiting for you! http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/who-am-i/2294872 Well, with a bit of work we can ensure that the number one google hit for this nonsense is this thread here at the jref forums. Perhaps that can save a brain or two from falling for this pseudo-scientific claptrap. Please keep posting, and please be sure to include this in each post: \|ψ> = c1\|Φ1> + c2\|Φ2> + c3\|Φ3> + c4\|Φ4> + c5\|Φ5> + c6\|Φ6> + c7\|Φ7> are 7 states \|Φi > because are 7 major chakras or energy centers.
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25th November 2010, 08:51 AM	#139
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,024	Originally Posted by alfa1 In my book Who am I? you can read about chakras. A whole chapter about chakras is waiting for you! http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/who-am-i/2294872 I'll get on this right after the other million or so things I want to do before I croak.
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25th November 2010, 10:45 AM	#140
Fnord Metasyntactic Variable Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 6,633	Originally Posted by alfa1 In my book Who am I? you can read about chakras. A whole chapter about chakras is waiting for you! http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/who-am-i/2294872 This post was reported as an attempt to sell a product. This entire thread has been a lame attempt by the OP to get people to buy his book, which does not prove the existence of chakrae.
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25th November 2010, 01:22 PM	#141
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,475	Originally Posted by alfa1 In my book Who am I? you can read about chakras. A whole chapter about chakras is waiting for you! http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/who-am-i/2294872 I'd rather stick forks in my eyes than read your book.Tell me what chakras are,and provide proof that they exist.
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25th November 2010, 01:30 PM	#142
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,475	Originally Posted by alfa1 In my book Who am I? you can read about chakras. A whole chapter about chakras is waiting for you! http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/who-am-i/2294872 That only proves that your book exists.

25th November 2010, 02:45 PM	#143
Marduk Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Newbury, Berkshire Posts: 10,242	Originally Posted by alfa1 I am the first in the world who wrote a link between science and spirituality. . I thought that was Plato

25th November 2010, 03:06 PM	#144
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,475	Originally Posted by Marduk I thought that was Plato He is the million and first.

25th November 2010, 03:15 PM	#145
Mirrorglass Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 3,474	Originally Posted by madurobob Well, with a bit of work we can ensure that the number one google hit for this nonsense is this thread here at the jref forums. Perhaps that can save a brain or two from falling for this pseudo-scientific claptrap. Please keep posting, and please be sure to include this in each post: \|ψ> = c1\|Φ1> + c2\|Φ2> + c3\|Φ3> + c4\|Φ4> + c5\|Φ5> + c6\|Φ6> + c7\|Φ7> are 7 states \|Φi > because are 7 major chakras or energy centers. Yes, I bet there are vast hordes of people googling that particular phrase.
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25th November 2010, 06:12 PM	#146
madurobob Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Blue Heaven, NC Posts: 5,546	Originally Posted by Mirrorglass Yes, I bet there are vast hordes of people googling that particular phrase. Well, sure, Alfa1 has not gone on his speaking tour and appearance on Ellen yet. But, just you wait and see...
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25th November 2010, 06:37 PM	#147
marplots Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5,399	Originally Posted by alfa1 Chinese scientists are using the country's most expensive ever science project, a light-emitting synchrotron, to solve the mystery of acupuncture points. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201...c_13159050.htm This is very interesting. It was published 10 months ago. Have they had any results? I expect that, as a respected scientific operation, they will publish both positive and negative findings?
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26th November 2010, 07:43 AM	#148
alfa1 Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 331	‎"The highest skepticism: Skeptic about your death" Adrian Ferent
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26th November 2010, 08:23 AM	#149
Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,716	Originally Posted by alfa1 ‎"The highest skepticism: Skeptic about your death" Adrian Ferent Considering that is out of blue, it may make sense to you but its is very opaque to the rest of us. You have no evidence of life after death, life before birth or chakras that you have presented as of yet. You have come to site that promototes questions, reasoning and critical thought and all you can do is hand wave and now quote yourself. Rather weak. You can't even explian what you mean when you use the word chakra, you have presented no evidence but you quote yourself? Amazing.
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26th November 2010, 08:51 AM	#150
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,475	Originally Posted by alfa1 ‎"The highest skepticism: Skeptic about your death" Adrian Ferent So we can take it that you have no evidence of the existence of chakras?

26th November 2010, 08:52 AM	#151
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,475	Originally Posted by alfa1 ‎"The highest skepticism: Skeptic about your death" Adrian Ferent I am not.It will happen one day.Any more meaningless quotes?

26th November 2010, 09:35 AM	#152
Mahaha Scholar Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 119	Why don't they ever answer? Isn't there one that instead of "just knowing" can prove something?
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26th November 2010, 10:03 AM	#153
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,776	Originally Posted by Mahaha Why don't they ever answer? Isn't there one that instead of "just knowing" can prove something? Those who know won't say, those who say don't know. Oldest cop-out in the book. Flowery language grows best in a garden well fertilized with bull dung.

26th November 2010, 10:22 AM	#154
Fnord Metasyntactic Variable Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 6,633	Originally Posted by Dancing David Originally Posted by alfa1 ‎"The highest skepticism: Skeptic about your death" Adrian Ferent Considering that is out of blue, it may make sense to you but its is very opaque to the rest of us. It's both a 'non-Sequitur' and a 'Red Herring', in that it has nothing to do with the original claim, and that it relies on the emotional aspects of the topic of death to divert the reader from the fact that Adrian Ferent can not prove any of his claims. Originally Posted by Dancing David You have no evidence of life after death, life before birth or chakras that you have presented as of yet. Adrien apparently knows nothing about science, so what do you expect? Originally Posted by Dancing David You have come to site that promotes questions, reasoning and critical thought and all you can do is hand wave and now quote yourself. Rather weak. Actually, he seems to have come to the site to gain attention in the hope of selling his book ... but I agree that even this effort is rather weak. Originally Posted by Dancing David You can't even explain what you mean when you use the word chakra, you have presented no evidence but you quote yourself? Amazing. I think it's called 'Appeal to False Authority'. Yet, according to his Curriculum Vitae, he has been unemployed since 2005. I wonder why? Originally Posted by dafydd So we can take it that you have no evidence of the existence of chakras? He has no evidence for the existence of his authority on the subject, and much less evidence for the subject itself. Ce te astepti? Cei care pot, fac. Cei care nu pot, predau. Cei care nu stiu nimic, scrie ficţiune!
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26th November 2010, 10:55 AM	#155
AdMan Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 7,191	Originally Posted by Fnord I think it's called 'Appeal to False Authority'. Yet, according to his Curriculum Vitae, he has been unemployed since 2005. I wonder why? Turns out there's only three degrees of separation between me and Adrian on LinkedIn. Scary. Adrian, I'm still not buying any of your BS books--sorry.
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