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aggle-rithm · 30th November 2010, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

madurobob Wow Funky math aside, a theory is useless !

Show me another theory Who am I? and I will delete my wave function!

This reminds me so much of a parody piece I wrote for SkepticReport a few years ago...

Quote:

“We know that there’s this microscopic flatworm that breathes fire,” he said. “It’s been shown that it can move through walls. We also speculate that it can astral-project itself to other dimensions.” But, Markbotch concedes, “The only thing we can’t prove is that it actually exists.” While lacking direct evidence, Markbotch infers the worm’s existence through deductive reasoning. “What other flatworm do you know of that breathes fire?” he asked rhetorically. “What other invertebrate can pass through walls? It has to be this one.”

http://www.skepticreport.com/sr/?p=412

Proving once again that any sufficiently advanced woo is indistinguishable from parody.

Craig4 · 30th November 2010, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by dafydd

It never rose above 0.0.Is is just me or are our chew toys wearing out more quickly nowadays?

Check out the conspiracy theory forum. Now they get some cranks with staying power.

The Man · 30th November 2010, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by alfa1

"I defined people at animal level those who are living at the first 3 chakras level"
Adrian Ferent

Ah, a three for one deal. “the first 3 chakras level” for one “animal level”, how can you beat that?

So again…

Originally Posted by The Man

Where do you place yourself in those ‘levels’?

How many “chakras level”s do you have in your system?

What units do you measure your “chakras” in?

Do you have any definition or evidence of “chakras” yet or is it just some vague word you like to bandy about?

Since you have “chakras or energy centers” and now “chakras level” you can determine both location and magnitude. Now if you could establish direction as well then we can determine a “chakras” vector field. I mean, that is, once you actually define and show some evidence for “chakras”. So how about it? Are you ever going to define or show any kind of evidence for “chakras” or are you just going to keep pretending that there is any kind of science in your purported “link between science and spirituality”?

quarky · 30th November 2010, 12:43 PM

It can be fun to 'bandy about' vague words.

As far as ever linking the mythical and the logical, I'd put my $ on the sub-atomic realm.
Once you've tasted quantum-woo, there's no going back.

ben m · 30th November 2010, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by alfa1

"I defined people at animal level those who are living at the first 3 chakras level"
Adrian Ferent

And you got 98% from that? Better check your arithmetic. When I plug in three chakra levels I get 45.5% exactly. 98% sounds like a six, six and a half.

A Laughing Baby · 30th November 2010, 02:19 PM

No one, and I mean NO ONE explain the basics of number theory to alfa1. The second he sees a prime spiral, we are SCREWED.

alfa1 · 1st December 2010, 05:49 AM

My Big Bang theory
In my view the Big Bang is cyclic and the size of the Universe can not go under 10^(-43) cubic meters.

V = M*20*v/m = 10^(-43) cubic meters

V – Smallest volume of the Universe
M - Mass of the Universe
m – Planck mass
v – Planck volume

The Don · 1st December 2010, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

My Big Bang theory
In my view the Big Bang is cyclic and the size of the Universe can not go under 10^(-43) cubic meters.

V = M*20*v/m = 10^(-43) cubic meters

V – Smallest volume of the Universe
M - Mass of the Universe
m – Planck mass
v – Planck volume

You got any workings out to support this or did you just pull the equation out of thin air ?

Craig4 · 1st December 2010, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

My Big Bang theory
In my view the Big Bang is cyclic and the size of the Universe can not go under 10^(-43) cubic meters.

V = M*20*v/m = 10^(-43) cubic meters

V – Smallest volume of the Universe
M - Mass of the Universe
m – Planck mass
v – Planck volume

Given up on the chakras have you?

Fnord · 1st December 2010, 06:48 AM

Apparently so.

Ambiguity is the last refuge of the ignorant.

Mirrorglass · 1st December 2010, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

My Big Bang theory
In my view the Big Bang is cyclic and the size of the Universe can not go under 10^(-43) cubic meters.

V = M*20*v/m = 10^(-43) cubic meters

V – Smallest volume of the Universe
M - Mass of the Universe
m – Planck mass
v – Planck volume

Why?

aggle-rithm · 1st December 2010, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

My Big Bang theory
In my view the Big Bang is cyclic and the size of the Universe can not go under 10^(-43) cubic meters.

Enjoy your view.

alfa1 · 1st December 2010, 07:46 AM

I see people are interested in Big Bang, string theory...

The energy of the string is huge: minimum energies of strings are actually couple times of the Planck energy(more than billion x billion time of a proton energy).
The question is how such strings with such huge energy generate 'small energy' particles like electrons, protons...?
It's like using mountains to build small rocks!

Cuddles · 1st December 2010, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

The energy of the string is huge

But how long is this piece of string?

aggle-rithm · 1st December 2010, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

I see people are interested in Big Bang, string theory...

What fun! Let me try!

"I see people are interested in football, truffles..."

aggle-rithm · 1st December 2010, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Cuddles

But how long is this piece of string?

It's kept in here:

I Ratant · 1st December 2010, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

You got any workings out to support this or did you just pull the equation out of thin air ?

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Probably not from air, something more solid, after a full meal, mayhap.

I Ratant · 1st December 2010, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by Cuddles

But how long is this piece of string?

.
Snip!
Now you have two pieces of string!

Vorticity · 1st December 2010, 10:23 AM

alfa1, I never got answers to my questions from page 1 of this thread:

Originally Posted by Vorticity

Are the 7 states |Φi > orthonormal? Are they complete? What Hilbert space do they span?

Are the amplitudes ci fixed, or are they constrained by the observation of observables?

Does the wave function |ψ> serve to completely specify the individual? If so, how can it be that a given human is constrained and characterized via the specification of a mere seven complex numbers?

I'm completely serious. You seek to use the notation of quantum mechanics. Such usage is meaningless unless you preserve the notation's meaning.

ben m · 1st December 2010, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by aggle-rithm

"I see people are interested in football, truffles..."

98% of truffles are at animal level. That's why pigs are good at finding them.

quarky · 1st December 2010, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by I Ratant

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Snip!
Now you have two pieces of string!

No snippers small enough.

Marcus · 1st December 2010, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by alfa1

I see people are interested in Big Bang, string theory...

Please read some of the other threads in the science section to see what constitutes a properly entertaining science woo. You've really got a ways to go.

wollery · 1st December 2010, 04:38 PM

The Norseman · 1st December 2010, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by alfa1

Chinese scientists are using the country's most expensive ever science project, a light-emitting synchrotron, to solve the mystery of acupuncture points.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201...c_13159050.htm

Why am I suddenly picturing Bender dressed in a 70's era disco outfit?

Originally Posted by Fnord

Apparently so.

Ambiguity is the last refuge of the ignorant.

Maybe it is, sometimes, but who really knows?

dafydd · 2nd December 2010, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

You got any workings out to support this or did you just pull the equation out of thin air ?

It came from somewhere much lower than thin air.

dafydd · 2nd December 2010, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

I see people are interested in Big Bang, string theory...

The energy of the string is huge: minimum energies of strings are actually couple times of the Planck energy(more than billion x billion time of a proton energy).
The question is how such strings with such huge energy generate 'small energy' particles like electrons, protons...?
It's like using mountains to build small rocks!

You will have to do much better to be as entertaining as our other trolls.1/10 .Must try harder

aggle-rithm · 2nd December 2010, 05:02 AM

Originally Posted by Vorticity

alfa1, I never got answers to my questions from page 1 of this thread:

I'm completely serious. You seek to use the notation of quantum mechanics. Such usage is meaningless unless you preserve the notation's meaning.

Knowing stuff takes all the fun out of quantum mechanics. Shame on you!

aggle-rithm · 2nd December 2010, 05:08 AM

I propose we come up with a term for the casual use of quantum physics terms in order to bolster claims of the paranormal. We could call it "quantum magic". We give it over to the woos, let them come up with whatever whacko interpretations they want to, and keep actual quantum physics discussions within the circle of people who actually understand it. Or at least want to understand it.

"Quantum magic" is just like quantum physics except the terminology is fuzzier and it makes no useful predictions and explains nothing.

Mirrorglass · 2nd December 2010, 05:10 AM

I propose "wuantum theory".

Cuddles · 2nd December 2010, 05:14 AM

Originally Posted by The Norseman

Why am I suddenly picturing Bender dressed in a 70's era disco outfit?

I don't know, but I actually work at one of those (a synchrotron that is, not a 70s disco) and I've never seen him here.

That's actually a bit of a mistranslation though. The English term is "synchrotron light source", presumably "light-emitting synchrotron" is the literal translation of the Chinese.

Marcus · 2nd December 2010, 05:28 AM

Originally Posted by aggle-rithm

I propose we come up with a term for the casual use of quantum physics terms in order to bolster claims of the paranormal. We could call it "quantum magic". We give it over to the woos, let them come up with whatever whacko interpretations they want to, and keep actual quantum physics discussions within the circle of people who actually understand it. Or at least want to understand it.

"Quantum magic" is just like quantum physics except the terminology is fuzzier and it makes no useful predictions and explains nothing.

It is the favorite word of woos of all types these days. I see you are from Austin as well, no doubt you have also noticed all the people infected with quantumosis.

dafydd · 2nd December 2010, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by aggle-rithm

I propose we come up with a term for the casual use of quantum physics terms in order to bolster claims of the paranormal. We could call it "quantum magic". We give it over to the woos, let them come up with whatever whacko interpretations they want to, and keep actual quantum physics discussions within the circle of people who actually understand it. Or at least want to understand it.

"Quantum magic" is just like quantum physics except the terminology is fuzzier and it makes no useful predictions and explains nothing.

I recently found a wooist friend reading a book called "Healing Through Quantum Biology." When I pointed out that biology takes place at the molecular level and quantum effects were confined to the sub-atomic level I may as well have been speaking Chinese to her.I think that people should be forced to take a physics test before they are allowed to buy such books.The book was very funny.

dasmiller · 2nd December 2010, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by dafydd

I recently found a wooist friend reading a book called "Healing Through Quantum Biology." When I pointed out that biology takes place at the molecular level and quantum effects were confined to the sub-atomic level I may as well have been speaking Chinese to her.I think that people should be forced to take a physics test before they are allowed to buy such books.The book was very funny.

See, this clearly shows that you don't really understand either quantum mechanics or healing.

After all, there's, like, vibrations with, you know, resonance and stuff, and some of the vibrations even have frequencies. And there are these energy flows, which make auras, although the vibrations do that, too, sort of. And the auras kind of control energy flows. And crystals can make the energy flows change color and, uh, do other stuff, only better. And there are natural essences, and oneness with the universe. And quantum stuff, too.

Oh! and magnets.

I hope this clears it up for you

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Cuddles · 2nd December 2010, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by dasmiller

See, this clearly shows that you don't really understand either quantum mechanics or healing.

After all, there's, like, vibrations with, you know, resonance and stuff, and some of the vibrations even have frequencies. And there are these energy flows, which make auras, although the vibrations do that, too, sort of. And the auras kind of control energy flows. And crystals can make the energy flows change color and, uh, do other stuff, only better. And there are natural essences, and oneness with the universe. And quantum stuff, too.

Oh! and magnets.

Yeah, but how the **** do they work?

I Ratant · 2nd December 2010, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by dasmiller

See, this clearly shows that you don't really understand either quantum mechanics or healing.

After all, there's, like, vibrations with, you know, resonance and stuff, and some of the vibrations even have frequencies. And there are these energy flows, which make auras, although the vibrations do that, too, sort of. And the auras kind of control energy flows. And crystals can make the energy flows change color and, uh, do other stuff, only better. And there are natural essences, and oneness with the universe. And quantum stuff, too.

Oh! and magnets.

I hope this clears it up for you

.

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And for a mere $65... you, yes, you, can harness all these flowitizations and essencestuffies...
and imagine the joy of being free from cellphone radiation!

dasmiller · 2nd December 2010, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by Cuddles

Originally Posted by dasmiller

Oh! and magnets.

Yeah, but how the **** do they work?

Ah, that's an insightful question. We now know that the ancient Egyptians built the pyramids with ratios, and those ratios harmonized the vortexes of the first lodestones, or something, which channels the lodestone crystals, kind of. And also the Mayans.

(okay, that's probably enough diversion for me for one morning)

AdMan · 2nd December 2010, 09:57 AM

Radios? Where??!

aggle-rithm · 2nd December 2010, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Marcus

I see you are from Austin as well, no doubt you have also noticed all the people infected with quantumosis.

no, but I don't get out much...

Craig4 · 2nd December 2010, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by aggle-rithm

Knowing stuff takes all the fun out of quantum mechanics. Shame on you!

What I'm amused by (in an admittedly geeky way) is how woo types instead of making quantum mechanics too weird, the don't make it weird enough. Reading the "Elegant Universe" is way more out there than anything brought to you by the practitioners of pseudoscience.

I'm always amazed at the ability of people to ignore the amazing while in search of the absurd.

alfa1 · 2nd December 2010, 10:45 AM

In one day the Universe will be a crowded place!

In my view the Big Bang is cyclic and the size of the Universe can not go under 4*10^(-43) cubic meters.

V = M*20*v/m = 4*10^(-43) cubic meters

V – Smallest volume of the Universe
M - Mass of the Universe
m – Planck mass
v – Planck volume

30th November 2010, 08:39 AM	#241
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,149	Originally Posted by alfa1 madurobob Wow Funky math aside, a theory is useless ! Show me another theory Who am I? and I will delete my wave function! This reminds me so much of a parody piece I wrote for SkepticReport a few years ago... Quote: “We know that there’s this microscopic flatworm that breathes fire,” he said. “It’s been shown that it can move through walls. We also speculate that it can astral-project itself to other dimensions.” But, Markbotch concedes, “The only thing we can’t prove is that it actually exists.” While lacking direct evidence, Markbotch infers the worm’s existence through deductive reasoning. “What other flatworm do you know of that breathes fire?” he asked rhetorically. “What other invertebrate can pass through walls? It has to be this one.” http://www.skepticreport.com/sr/?p=412 Proving once again that any sufficiently advanced woo is indistinguishable from parody.
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30th November 2010, 08:59 AM	#242
Craig4 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 5,363	Originally Posted by dafydd It never rose above 0.0.Is is just me or are our chew toys wearing out more quickly nowadays? Check out the conspiracy theory forum. Now they get some cranks with staying power.
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30th November 2010, 12:21 PM	#243
The Man Scourge, of the supernatural Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Poughkeepsie, NY Posts: 7,515	Originally Posted by alfa1 "I defined people at animal level those who are living at the first 3 chakras level" Adrian Ferent Ah, a three for one deal. “the first 3 chakras level” for one “animal level”, how can you beat that? So again… Originally Posted by The Man Where do you place yourself in those ‘levels’? How many “chakras level”s do you have in your system? What units do you measure your “chakras” in? Do you have any definition or evidence of “chakras” yet or is it just some vague word you like to bandy about? Since you have “chakras or energy centers” and now “chakras level” you can determine both location and magnitude. Now if you could establish direction as well then we can determine a “chakras” vector field. I mean, that is, once you actually define and show some evidence for “chakras”. So how about it? Are you ever going to define or show any kind of evidence for “chakras” or are you just going to keep pretending that there is any kind of science in your purported “link between science and spirituality”?
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30th November 2010, 12:43 PM	#244
quarky Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 20,454	It can be fun to 'bandy about' vague words. As far as ever linking the mythical and the logical, I'd put my $ on the sub-atomic realm. Once you've tasted quantum-woo, there's no going back.
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30th November 2010, 01:08 PM	#245
ben m Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,638	Originally Posted by alfa1 "I defined people at animal level those who are living at the first 3 chakras level" Adrian Ferent And you got 98% from that? Better check your arithmetic. When I plug in three chakra levels I get 45.5% exactly. 98% sounds like a six, six and a half.
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30th November 2010, 02:19 PM	#246
A Laughing Baby A baby. Goo goo ga ga Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,992	No one, and I mean NO ONE explain the basics of number theory to alfa1. The second he sees a prime spiral, we are SCREWED.
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1st December 2010, 05:49 AM	#247
alfa1 Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 331	My Big Bang theory In my view the Big Bang is cyclic and the size of the Universe can not go under 10^(-43) cubic meters. V = M20v/m = 10^(-43) cubic meters V – Smallest volume of the Universe M - Mass of the Universe m – Planck mass v – Planck volume
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1st December 2010, 06:38 AM	#248
The Don Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cymru Posts: 8,223	Originally Posted by alfa1 My Big Bang theory In my view the Big Bang is cyclic and the size of the Universe can not go under 10^(-43) cubic meters. V = M20v/m = 10^(-43) cubic meters V – Smallest volume of the Universe M - Mass of the Universe m – Planck mass v – Planck volume You got any workings out to support this or did you just pull the equation out of thin air ?

1st December 2010, 06:43 AM	#249
Craig4 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 5,363	Originally Posted by alfa1 My Big Bang theory In my view the Big Bang is cyclic and the size of the Universe can not go under 10^(-43) cubic meters. V = M20v/m = 10^(-43) cubic meters V – Smallest volume of the Universe M - Mass of the Universe m – Planck mass v – Planck volume Given up on the chakras have you?
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1st December 2010, 06:48 AM	#250
Fnord Metasyntactic Variable Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 6,633	Apparently so. Ambiguity is the last refuge of the ignorant.
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1st December 2010, 06:48 AM	#251
Mirrorglass Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 3,474	Originally Posted by alfa1 My Big Bang theory In my view the Big Bang is cyclic and the size of the Universe can not go under 10^(-43) cubic meters. V = M20v/m = 10^(-43) cubic meters V – Smallest volume of the Universe M - Mass of the Universe m – Planck mass v – Planck volume Why?
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1st December 2010, 07:25 AM	#252
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,149	Originally Posted by alfa1 My Big Bang theory In my view the Big Bang is cyclic and the size of the Universe can not go under 10^(-43) cubic meters. Enjoy your view.
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1st December 2010, 07:46 AM	#253
alfa1 Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 331	I see people are interested in Big Bang, string theory... The energy of the string is huge: minimum energies of strings are actually couple times of the Planck energy(more than billion x billion time of a proton energy). The question is how such strings with such huge energy generate 'small energy' particles like electrons, protons...? It's like using mountains to build small rocks!
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1st December 2010, 07:49 AM	#254
Cuddles Decoy Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A magical land full of pink fluffy sheeps and bunnies Posts: 16,564	Originally Posted by alfa1 The energy of the string is huge But how long is this piece of string?
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1st December 2010, 10:10 AM	#255
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,149	Originally Posted by alfa1 I see people are interested in Big Bang, string theory... What fun! Let me try! "I see people are interested in football, truffles..."
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1st December 2010, 10:13 AM	#256
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,149	Originally Posted by Cuddles But how long is this piece of string? It's kept in here:
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1st December 2010, 10:18 AM	#257
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	Originally Posted by The Don You got any workings out to support this or did you just pull the equation out of thin air ? . Probably not from air, something more solid, after a full meal, mayhap.

1st December 2010, 10:19 AM	#258
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	Originally Posted by Cuddles But how long is this piece of string? . Snip! Now you have two pieces of string!

1st December 2010, 10:23 AM	#259
Vorticity Fluid Mechanic Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Alamos, NM Posts: 2,644	alfa1, I never got answers to my questions from page 1 of this thread: Originally Posted by Vorticity Are the 7 states \|Φi > orthonormal? Are they complete? What Hilbert space do they span? Are the amplitudes ci fixed, or are they constrained by the observation of observables? Does the wave function \|ψ> serve to completely specify the individual? If so, how can it be that a given human is constrained and characterized via the specification of a mere seven complex numbers? I'm completely serious. You seek to use the notation of quantum mechanics. Such usage is meaningless unless you preserve the notation's meaning.
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1st December 2010, 10:24 AM	#260
ben m Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,638	Originally Posted by aggle-rithm "I see people are interested in football, truffles..." 98% of truffles are at animal level. That's why pigs are good at finding them.
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1st December 2010, 02:37 PM	#261
quarky Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 20,454	Originally Posted by I Ratant . Snip! Now you have two pieces of string! No snippers small enough.
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1st December 2010, 03:54 PM	#262
Marcus Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Austin Posts: 1,840	Originally Posted by alfa1 I see people are interested in Big Bang, string theory... Please read some of the other threads in the science section to see what constitutes a properly entertaining science woo. You've really got a ways to go.

1st December 2010, 04:38 PM	#263
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1st December 2010, 10:31 PM	#264
The Norseman I Void Warranties Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: The Treasure Valley Posts: 3,236	Originally Posted by alfa1 Chinese scientists are using the country's most expensive ever science project, a light-emitting synchrotron, to solve the mystery of acupuncture points. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201...c_13159050.htm Why am I suddenly picturing Bender dressed in a 70's era disco outfit? Originally Posted by Fnord Apparently so. Ambiguity is the last refuge of the ignorant. Maybe it is, sometimes, but who really knows?
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2nd December 2010, 04:45 AM	#265
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,441	Originally Posted by The Don You got any workings out to support this or did you just pull the equation out of thin air ? It came from somewhere much lower than thin air.

2nd December 2010, 04:47 AM	#266
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,441	Originally Posted by alfa1 I see people are interested in Big Bang, string theory... The energy of the string is huge: minimum energies of strings are actually couple times of the Planck energy(more than billion x billion time of a proton energy). The question is how such strings with such huge energy generate 'small energy' particles like electrons, protons...? It's like using mountains to build small rocks! You will have to do much better to be as entertaining as our other trolls.1/10 .Must try harder

2nd December 2010, 05:02 AM	#267
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,149	Originally Posted by Vorticity alfa1, I never got answers to my questions from page 1 of this thread: I'm completely serious. You seek to use the notation of quantum mechanics. Such usage is meaningless unless you preserve the notation's meaning. Knowing stuff takes all the fun out of quantum mechanics. Shame on you!
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2nd December 2010, 05:08 AM	#268
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,149	I propose we come up with a term for the casual use of quantum physics terms in order to bolster claims of the paranormal. We could call it "quantum magic". We give it over to the woos, let them come up with whatever whacko interpretations they want to, and keep actual quantum physics discussions within the circle of people who actually understand it. Or at least want to understand it. "Quantum magic" is just like quantum physics except the terminology is fuzzier and it makes no useful predictions and explains nothing.
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2nd December 2010, 05:10 AM	#269
Mirrorglass Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 3,474	I propose "wuantum theory".
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2nd December 2010, 05:14 AM	#270
Cuddles Decoy Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A magical land full of pink fluffy sheeps and bunnies Posts: 16,564	Originally Posted by The Norseman Why am I suddenly picturing Bender dressed in a 70's era disco outfit? I don't know, but I actually work at one of those (a synchrotron that is, not a 70s disco) and I've never seen him here. That's actually a bit of a mistranslation though. The English term is "synchrotron light source", presumably "light-emitting synchrotron" is the literal translation of the Chinese.
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2nd December 2010, 05:28 AM	#271
Marcus Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Austin Posts: 1,840	Originally Posted by aggle-rithm I propose we come up with a term for the casual use of quantum physics terms in order to bolster claims of the paranormal. We could call it "quantum magic". We give it over to the woos, let them come up with whatever whacko interpretations they want to, and keep actual quantum physics discussions within the circle of people who actually understand it. Or at least want to understand it. "Quantum magic" is just like quantum physics except the terminology is fuzzier and it makes no useful predictions and explains nothing. It is the favorite word of woos of all types these days. I see you are from Austin as well, no doubt you have also noticed all the people infected with quantumosis.

2nd December 2010, 06:38 AM	#272
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,441	Originally Posted by aggle-rithm I propose we come up with a term for the casual use of quantum physics terms in order to bolster claims of the paranormal. We could call it "quantum magic". We give it over to the woos, let them come up with whatever whacko interpretations they want to, and keep actual quantum physics discussions within the circle of people who actually understand it. Or at least want to understand it. "Quantum magic" is just like quantum physics except the terminology is fuzzier and it makes no useful predictions and explains nothing. I recently found a wooist friend reading a book called "Healing Through Quantum Biology." When I pointed out that biology takes place at the molecular level and quantum effects were confined to the sub-atomic level I may as well have been speaking Chinese to her.I think that people should be forced to take a physics test before they are allowed to buy such books.The book was very funny.

2nd December 2010, 08:11 AM	#273
dasmiller Just the right amount of cowbell Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Well past Hither, looking for Yon Posts: 3,453	Originally Posted by dafydd I recently found a wooist friend reading a book called "Healing Through Quantum Biology." When I pointed out that biology takes place at the molecular level and quantum effects were confined to the sub-atomic level I may as well have been speaking Chinese to her.I think that people should be forced to take a physics test before they are allowed to buy such books.The book was very funny. See, this clearly shows that you don't really understand either quantum mechanics or healing. After all, there's, like, vibrations with, you know, resonance and stuff, and some of the vibrations even have frequencies. And there are these energy flows, which make auras, although the vibrations do that, too, sort of. And the auras kind of control energy flows. And crystals can make the energy flows change color and, uh, do other stuff, only better. And there are natural essences, and oneness with the universe. And quantum stuff, too. Oh! and magnets. I hope this clears it up for you .
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2nd December 2010, 08:41 AM	#274
Cuddles Decoy Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A magical land full of pink fluffy sheeps and bunnies Posts: 16,564	Originally Posted by dasmiller See, this clearly shows that you don't really understand either quantum mechanics or healing. After all, there's, like, vibrations with, you know, resonance and stuff, and some of the vibrations even have frequencies. And there are these energy flows, which make auras, although the vibrations do that, too, sort of. And the auras kind of control energy flows. And crystals can make the energy flows change color and, uh, do other stuff, only better. And there are natural essences, and oneness with the universe. And quantum stuff, too. Oh! and magnets. Yeah, but how the **** do they work?
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2nd December 2010, 09:51 AM	#276
dasmiller Just the right amount of cowbell Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Well past Hither, looking for Yon Posts: 3,453	Originally Posted by Cuddles Originally Posted by dasmiller Oh! and magnets. Yeah, but how the **** do they work? Ah, that's an insightful question. We now know that the ancient Egyptians built the pyramids with ratios, and those ratios harmonized the vortexes of the first lodestones, or something, which channels the lodestone crystals, kind of. And also the Mayans. (okay, that's probably enough diversion for me for one morning)
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