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nathan · 3rd December 2010, 04:52 AM

Originally Posted by dafydd

Happy to hear it.Perhaps you could tell me how quantum processes can cure cancer,aids and hepatitis c.

I did not make such a claim.

dafydd · 3rd December 2010, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by nathan

I did not make such a claim.

What was your post about then? Do quantum processes have an effect at the molecular level,especially in cells? I was merely pointing out to my neighbour that no diseases have ever been cured by quantum theory.She didn't know the quantum theory from a hole in the ground.I was just commenting on the fact that new age wooists use the word quantum without having the faintest idea what it means.

nathan · 3rd December 2010, 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by dafydd

What was your post about then?

It was about sentence of yours that I quoted. Here it is that sentence again:

Originally Posted by dafydd

When I pointed out that biology takes place at the molecular level and quantum effects were confined to the sub-atomic level I may as well have been speaking Chinese to her.

Quantum effects are not confined to the subatomic level.

Originally Posted by dafydd

I was merely pointing out to my neighbour that no diseases have ever been cured by quantum theory.

You didn't say you said that. You said you said quantum effects are constrained to the subatomic level, therefore ...

Cuddles · 3rd December 2010, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by The Man

Warning malicious site!!!

I clicked on the above link to see what he was talking about and it was blocked by my firewall as a malicious site.

DO NOT CLICK ON THE LINK!!

ETA:

Post reported and link removed from quote for that reason.

I have never reported a post nor did I ever think I would have reason to do so, but a potential malicious link left me no alternative.

Sorry alfa1, I don’t presume it was any intent on your part and I would recommend you do an intensive scan of your system.

There's nothing wrong with the link, it's just a Chinese news site. It's possible there was something dodgy about one of the adverts when you visited, but there's nothing wrong with the site itself.

X · 3rd December 2010, 07:19 AM

Where does the 20 in your universe equation come from, alfa?

dafydd · 3rd December 2010, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by nathan

It was about sentence of yours that I quoted. Here it is that sentence again:

Quantum effects are not confined to the subatomic level.

You didn't say you said that. You said you said quantum effects are constrained to the subatomic level, therefore ...

I'm sorry,I didn't make myself clear.To my knowledge,the quantum theory has no effect upon diseases.

alfa1 · 3rd December 2010, 07:35 AM

X 20 is from here:

Dark matter 23%, Dark energy 72%, matter 4.6%
Picture: Estimated distribution of dark matter and dark energy in the universe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter

dasmiller · 3rd December 2010, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

X 20 is from here:

Dark matter 23%, Dark energy 72%, matter 4.6%
Picture: Estimated distribution of dark matter and dark energy in the universe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter

So, the M in the original equation wasn't really the mass of the universe, it was actually the mass of the normal matter in the universe? And if so, shouldn't the constant be 21.7, rather than 20?

The Man · 3rd December 2010, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by Cuddles

There's nothing wrong with the link, it's just a Chinese news site. It's possible there was something dodgy about one of the adverts when you visited, but there's nothing wrong with the site itself.

Yep that's possible but I felt it was more prudent to error on the side of safety.

I Ratant · 3rd December 2010, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

A parallel Universe can be very close to us!

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Just so long as you are there.

I Ratant · 3rd December 2010, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by nathan

I thought it was slugs, snails, puppy-dog tails.

What's a snip? (Hey I may as well try and learn something)

.
Little boys are made of snakes, and snails and puppy dog tails.
Little girls are made without penises, but have a nifty place for one when they grow up.

Vorticity · 3rd December 2010, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by dafydd

I'm sorry,I didn't make myself clear.To my knowledge,the quantum theory has no effect upon diseases.

It has been suggested by some that cell phone signals may cause cancer. In fact, this is demonstrably impossible. Why?

(The answer relies upon quantum mechanics.)

X · 3rd December 2010, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

X 20 is from here:

Dark matter 23%, Dark energy 72%, matter 4.6%
Picture: Estimated distribution of dark matter and dark energy in the universe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter

I don't see a 20 in there.

Please explain where it came from.

Craig4 · 3rd December 2010, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

This means the Universe will not go to ZERO volume like Stephen Hawking and others said!

You'll perhaps excuse some of us if we defer to the one of the greatest minds of our time.

Craig4 · 3rd December 2010, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by cornsail

I am the first in the world who wrote a link between spirituality and frutti di mare.

As long as you don't put cheese on it. I hate seeing people put cheese on frutti di mare.

Dancing David · 3rd December 2010, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Marcus

That's the spirit. Be all the troll that you can be.

Aim high.

dlorde · 3rd December 2010, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by alfa1

This means the Universe will not go to ZERO volume like Stephen Hawking and others said!

Did he actually say that, or did he say that if a certain interpretation of GR is correct, and if the universe was in a particular state, it was predicted to collapse into a singularity? Did he say that a singularity would have zero volume, or did he say that we don't know for sure exactly what happens to spacetime in a singularity? Did he say that it was generally accepted that this won't actually happen? That the latest data suggests it will just keep on expanding?

IIRC, that's what he told me when I saw him recently in London (at the Royal Albert Hall).

dafydd · 3rd December 2010, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Vorticity

It has been suggested by some that cell phone signals may cause cancer. In fact, this is demonstrably impossible. Why?

(The answer relies upon quantum mechanics.)

The book was called "Healing With Quantum Biology", not "Give Yourself Cancer With A Cell Phone".Why are you on my case?

Craig4 · 3rd December 2010, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by A Laughing Baby

My theory is still truer, sorry. I mean, take a look at it:

Se^x=F(U_n)

Accept your mathematical defeat and move on with some grace.

The fun I missed going into the social sciences.

Vorticity · 3rd December 2010, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by dafydd

The book was called "Healing With Quantum Biology", not "Give Yourself Cancer With A Cell Phone".Why are you on my case?

You stated that "To my knowledge,the quantum theory has no effect upon diseases." I'm simply trying to point out an example which shows why this is incorrect.

It is also incorrect to say that quantum mechanics has no effect above the level of the subatomic. See, for just one of many counterexamples, the phenomenon of superfluidity.

dafydd · 3rd December 2010, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Vorticity

You stated that "To my knowledge,the quantum theory has no effect upon diseases." I'm simply trying to point out an example which shows why this is incorrect.

It is also incorrect to say that quantum mechanics has no effect above the level of the subatomic. See, for just one of many counterexamples, the phenomenon of superfluidity.

I was trying to tell my neighbour that the book was rubbish and the quantum theory would not cure any diseases.Which part of that do you not understand?I'll be sure to tell her about superfluidity next time I see her.

dafydd · 3rd December 2010, 03:51 PM

I did know what superfluidity was,but thank you for the link.

quarky · 3rd December 2010, 04:31 PM

It looks safe to risk going off-topic in this thread.

Parallel universes could solve a lot of woo problems, if, it turns out, that our understanding of consciousness is very limited.
I don't poo-poo the bizarre possibilities; things always become more and more fantastic as we learn...but we should try to adhere to the rules while we describe the universe that is the main one that we are familiar with. Math works for that.

Philosophical stuff is fun; intriguing if its good and deep; and possibly correct, in the long run. Had this thread been posted in R&P, it would be sort of hot.

oops! at 9 pages, its sort of hot here.

alfa1 · 3rd December 2010, 07:27 PM

100-23-72=5 not 4.6
That is why is 20 and not 21.739130434

quarky · 3rd December 2010, 07:30 PM

yowza

dasmiller · 3rd December 2010, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by alfa1

100-23-72=5 not 4.6
That is why is 20 and not 21.739130434

So, M in the original equation didn't refer to the ordinary mass, it referred to the fraction of the universe that isn't dark matter or dark energy?

AdMan · 3rd December 2010, 08:11 PM

alfa1, can you still not tell that no one here is taking you seriously?

TjW · 3rd December 2010, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by dafydd

I was trying to tell my neighbour that the book was rubbish and the quantum theory would not cure any diseases.Which part of that do you not understand?I'll be sure to tell her about superfluidity next time I see her.

I think the problem he has is that you were bragging about trying to correct misinformation (quantum cures disease) with misinformation (quantum is restricted to subatomic sizes).
I don't think he's questioning your motives.

ElMondoHummus · 3rd December 2010, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by Craig4

Check out the conspiracy theory forum. Now they get some cranks with staying power.

Oh, Gawd yes! All one has to do is either look at the "Realistice" thread, or search for the ex-member Heiwa's multiple abuses of engineering to see this.

But at the same time, the staying power is really based on other non-CT woo peddler's tactics: Repetition of debunked points as if they've never been addressed, let alone refuted. Really, they're no different from other woo pushers. It's just that some of them are severely obstinate. Much like some of the homeopathy advocates that come around here.

dafydd · 4th December 2010, 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by TjW

I think the problem he has is that you were bragging about trying to correct misinformation (quantum cures disease) with misinformation (quantum is restricted to subatomic sizes).
I don't think he's questioning your motives.

I was trying to keep it simple for my neighbour.As an interested layman I am quite familiar with the quantum theory.There are some picky people here.

alfa1 · 4th December 2010, 04:44 AM

“I defined half-cannibals those who are eating meat” Adrian Ferent
The top clerics of the world are half-cannibals, in December in Romania the savages will kill the pigs waiting for the birth of Jesus, the half-cannibal president of Argentine said: Eat pork, spice your sex life!
Like I said: 98% of people are at animal level!
I am wondering what Waves the mankind is sending in the Universe…to Aliens civilizations.

http://www.boston.com/news/odd/artic...or_better_sex/

EHocking · 4th December 2010, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

.. in December in Romania the savages will kill the pigs waiting for the birth of Jesus...

How long have these pigs been waiting?

I think they may have missed the alleged event by over two thousand years.

Craig4 · 4th December 2010, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

“I defined half-cannibals those who are eating meat” Adrian Ferent
The top clerics of the world are half-cannibals, in December in Romania the savages will kill the pigs waiting for the birth of Jesus, the half-cannibal president of Argentine said: Eat pork, spice your sex life!
Like I said: 98% of people are at animal level!
I am wondering what Waves the mankind is sending in the Universe…to Aliens civilizations.

http://www.boston.com/news/odd/artic...or_better_sex/

Ooooookay lets all just smile nod, and back out of the room slowly.

I Ratant · 4th December 2010, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

...
Like I said: 98% of people are at animal level!
...]

.
No, humans behave worse than animals, given the opportunity.

dasmiller · 4th December 2010, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by I Ratant

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Originally Posted by alfa1

...
Like I said: 98% of people are at animal level!
...]

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No, humans behave worse than animals, given the opportunity.

That must be the other 2% of humanity, then.

The Man · 4th December 2010, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

“I defined half-cannibals those who are eating meat” Adrian Ferent

Ah, I see the self quote emitting ‘sphinctertron’ is still being employed. Are you familiar with the term ‘Carnivore’?

You do understand that not all animals are Carnivores, don’t you?

You do understand that some plants are Carnivorous, don’t you?

You do understand the word “cannibal” has a very specific meaning, don’t you?

Originally Posted by alfa1

The top clerics of the world are half-cannibals, in December in Romania the savages will kill the pigs waiting for the birth of Jesus, the half-cannibal president of Argentine said: Eat pork, spice your sex life!

So where is this cannibalism to which you, well, ‘half’ refer? Evidently much as your purported “link between science and spirituality” doesn’t actually involve any science, what you like to refer to as being “half-cannibals” similarly doesn’t actually involve any, well, cannibalism. How surprising.

Originally Posted by alfa1

Like I said: 98% of people are at animal level!

And it is as meaningless when you say it now as when you said it before.

Originally Posted by alfa1;6622071
I am wondering what Waves the mankind is sending in the Universe…to Aliens civilizations.

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http://www.boston.com/news/odd/articles/2010/01/28/argentine_prez_says_eat_more_pork_for_better_sex/[/url]

Why electromagnetic waves of course, though no to any “Aliens civilizations” that we know of.

Stellafane · 4th December 2010, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by alfa1

I am a WAVE and the wave function is:
|ψ> = c1|Φ1> + c2|Φ2> + c3|Φ3> + c4|Φ4> + c5|Φ5> + c6|Φ6> + c7|Φ7>
are 7 states |Φi > because are 7 major chakras or energy centers.

Actually, the best function of a wave is to indicate goodbye.

dafydd · 4th December 2010, 03:56 PM

Have you heard about the cannibal who passed his friend in the jungle?

Two cannibals kidnapped a clown from a circus,roasted him and served him up.While they were eating one cannibal turned to the other and said " Does this taste funny to you?"

Sorry.

X · 4th December 2010, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by alfa1

100-23-72=5 not 4.6
That is why is 20 and not 21.739130434

And you've lost me again.
I still don't know where you're getting 20 from.

Perhaps I lack the math skills.
Can you please go through and explain all your steps, to help my understanding?

TjW · 4th December 2010, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by X

And you've lost me again.
I still don't know where you're getting 20 from.

Perhaps I lack the math skills.
Can you please go through and explain all your steps, to help my understanding?

Yes, could you go through all the steps of solving for X?

3rd December 2010, 04:52 AM	#321
nathan Zygoticly Phased Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arkham City Posts: 3,148	Originally Posted by dafydd Happy to hear it.Perhaps you could tell me how quantum processes can cure cancer,aids and hepatitis c. I did not make such a claim.
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3rd December 2010, 04:58 AM	#322
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,438	Originally Posted by nathan I did not make such a claim. What was your post about then? Do quantum processes have an effect at the molecular level,especially in cells? I was merely pointing out to my neighbour that no diseases have ever been cured by quantum theory.She didn't know the quantum theory from a hole in the ground.I was just commenting on the fact that new age wooists use the word quantum without having the faintest idea what it means.
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3rd December 2010, 05:12 AM	#323
nathan Zygoticly Phased Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arkham City Posts: 3,148	Originally Posted by dafydd What was your post about then? It was about sentence of yours that I quoted. Here it is that sentence again: Originally Posted by dafydd When I pointed out that biology takes place at the molecular level and quantum effects were confined to the sub-atomic level I may as well have been speaking Chinese to her. Quantum effects are not confined to the subatomic level. Originally Posted by dafydd I was merely pointing out to my neighbour that no diseases have ever been cured by quantum theory. You didn't say you said that. You said you said quantum effects are constrained to the subatomic level, therefore ...
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3rd December 2010, 06:09 AM	#324
Cuddles Decoy Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A magical land full of pink fluffy sheeps and bunnies Posts: 16,564	Originally Posted by The Man Warning malicious site!!! I clicked on the above link to see what he was talking about and it was blocked by my firewall as a malicious site. DO NOT CLICK ON THE LINK!! ETA: Post reported and link removed from quote for that reason. I have never reported a post nor did I ever think I would have reason to do so, but a potential malicious link left me no alternative. Sorry alfa1, I don’t presume it was any intent on your part and I would recommend you do an intensive scan of your system. There's nothing wrong with the link, it's just a Chinese news site. It's possible there was something dodgy about one of the adverts when you visited, but there's nothing wrong with the site itself.
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3rd December 2010, 07:19 AM	#325
X Slide Rulez 4 Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Launching the army, waiting for Hok to commit her forces (then the moles strike...) Posts: 4,080	Where does the 20 in your universe equation come from, alfa?
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3rd December 2010, 07:26 AM	#326
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,438	Originally Posted by nathan It was about sentence of yours that I quoted. Here it is that sentence again: Quantum effects are not confined to the subatomic level. You didn't say you said that. You said you said quantum effects are constrained to the subatomic level, therefore ... I'm sorry,I didn't make myself clear.To my knowledge,the quantum theory has no effect upon diseases.

3rd December 2010, 07:35 AM	#327
alfa1 Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 331	X 20 is from here: Dark matter 23%, Dark energy 72%, matter 4.6% Picture: Estimated distribution of dark matter and dark energy in the universe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter
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3rd December 2010, 07:53 AM	#328
dasmiller Just the right amount of cowbell Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Well past Hither, looking for Yon Posts: 3,451	Originally Posted by alfa1 X 20 is from here: Dark matter 23%, Dark energy 72%, matter 4.6% Picture: Estimated distribution of dark matter and dark energy in the universe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter So, the M in the original equation wasn't really the mass of the universe, it was actually the mass of the normal matter in the universe? And if so, shouldn't the constant be 21.7, rather than 20?
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3rd December 2010, 08:44 AM	#329
The Man Scourge, of the supernatural Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Poughkeepsie, NY Posts: 7,511	Originally Posted by Cuddles There's nothing wrong with the link, it's just a Chinese news site. It's possible there was something dodgy about one of the adverts when you visited, but there's nothing wrong with the site itself. Yep that's possible but I felt it was more prudent to error on the side of safety.
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3rd December 2010, 09:04 AM	#330
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	Originally Posted by alfa1 A parallel Universe can be very close to us! . Just so long as you are there.

3rd December 2010, 09:07 AM	#331
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	Originally Posted by nathan I thought it was slugs, snails, puppy-dog tails. What's a snip? (Hey I may as well try and learn something) . Little boys are made of snakes, and snails and puppy dog tails. Little girls are made without penises, but have a nifty place for one when they grow up.

3rd December 2010, 09:42 AM	#332
Vorticity Fluid Mechanic Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Alamos, NM Posts: 2,644	Originally Posted by dafydd I'm sorry,I didn't make myself clear.To my knowledge,the quantum theory has no effect upon diseases. It has been suggested by some that cell phone signals may cause cancer. In fact, this is demonstrably impossible. Why? (The answer relies upon quantum mechanics.)
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3rd December 2010, 10:11 AM	#333
X Slide Rulez 4 Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Launching the army, waiting for Hok to commit her forces (then the moles strike...) Posts: 4,080	Originally Posted by alfa1 X 20 is from here: Dark matter 23%, Dark energy 72%, matter 4.6% Picture: Estimated distribution of dark matter and dark energy in the universe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter I don't see a 20 in there. Please explain where it came from.
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3rd December 2010, 10:46 AM	#334
Craig4 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 5,363	Originally Posted by alfa1 This means the Universe will not go to ZERO volume like Stephen Hawking and others said! You'll perhaps excuse some of us if we defer to the one of the greatest minds of our time.
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3rd December 2010, 10:50 AM	#335
Craig4 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 5,363	Originally Posted by cornsail I am the first in the world who wrote a link between spirituality and frutti di mare. As long as you don't put cheese on it. I hate seeing people put cheese on frutti di mare.
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3rd December 2010, 12:22 PM	#336
Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,695	Originally Posted by Marcus That's the spirit. Be all the troll that you can be. Aim high.
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3rd December 2010, 12:28 PM	#337
dlorde Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,645	Originally Posted by alfa1 This means the Universe will not go to ZERO volume like Stephen Hawking and others said! Did he actually say that, or did he say that if a certain interpretation of GR is correct, and if the universe was in a particular state, it was predicted to collapse into a singularity? Did he say that a singularity would have zero volume, or did he say that we don't know for sure exactly what happens to spacetime in a singularity? Did he say that it was generally accepted that this won't actually happen? That the latest data suggests it will just keep on expanding? IIRC, that's what he told me when I saw him recently in London (at the Royal Albert Hall).
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3rd December 2010, 02:00 PM	#338
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,438	Originally Posted by Vorticity It has been suggested by some that cell phone signals may cause cancer. In fact, this is demonstrably impossible. Why? (The answer relies upon quantum mechanics.) The book was called "Healing With Quantum Biology", not "Give Yourself Cancer With A Cell Phone".Why are you on my case?

3rd December 2010, 03:15 PM	#339
Craig4 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 5,363	Originally Posted by A Laughing Baby My theory is still truer, sorry. I mean, take a look at it: Se^x=F(U_n) Accept your mathematical defeat and move on with some grace. The fun I missed going into the social sciences.
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3rd December 2010, 03:27 PM	#340
Vorticity Fluid Mechanic Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Alamos, NM Posts: 2,644	Originally Posted by dafydd The book was called "Healing With Quantum Biology", not "Give Yourself Cancer With A Cell Phone".Why are you on my case? You stated that "To my knowledge,the quantum theory has no effect upon diseases." I'm simply trying to point out an example which shows why this is incorrect. It is also incorrect to say that quantum mechanics has no effect above the level of the subatomic. See, for just one of many counterexamples, the phenomenon of superfluidity.
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3rd December 2010, 03:47 PM	#341
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,438	Originally Posted by Vorticity You stated that "To my knowledge,the quantum theory has no effect upon diseases." I'm simply trying to point out an example which shows why this is incorrect. It is also incorrect to say that quantum mechanics has no effect above the level of the subatomic. See, for just one of many counterexamples, the phenomenon of superfluidity. I was trying to tell my neighbour that the book was rubbish and the quantum theory would not cure any diseases.Which part of that do you not understand?I'll be sure to tell her about superfluidity next time I see her.
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3rd December 2010, 03:51 PM	#342
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,438	I did know what superfluidity was,but thank you for the link.

3rd December 2010, 04:31 PM	#343
quarky Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 20,454	It looks safe to risk going off-topic in this thread. Parallel universes could solve a lot of woo problems, if, it turns out, that our understanding of consciousness is very limited. I don't poo-poo the bizarre possibilities; things always become more and more fantastic as we learn...but we should try to adhere to the rules while we describe the universe that is the main one that we are familiar with. Math works for that. Philosophical stuff is fun; intriguing if its good and deep; and possibly correct, in the long run. Had this thread been posted in R&P, it would be sort of hot. oops! at 9 pages, its sort of hot here.
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3rd December 2010, 07:27 PM	#344
alfa1 Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 331	100-23-72=5 not 4.6 That is why is 20 and not 21.739130434
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3rd December 2010, 07:30 PM	#345
quarky Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 20,454	yowza
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3rd December 2010, 08:05 PM	#346
dasmiller Just the right amount of cowbell Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Well past Hither, looking for Yon Posts: 3,451	Originally Posted by alfa1 100-23-72=5 not 4.6 That is why is 20 and not 21.739130434 So, M in the original equation didn't refer to the ordinary mass, it referred to the fraction of the universe that isn't dark matter or dark energy?
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3rd December 2010, 08:11 PM	#347
AdMan Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 7,157	alfa1, can you still not tell that no one here is taking you seriously?
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3rd December 2010, 08:22 PM	#348
TjW Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: up in the air Posts: 9,965	Originally Posted by dafydd I was trying to tell my neighbour that the book was rubbish and the quantum theory would not cure any diseases.Which part of that do you not understand?I'll be sure to tell her about superfluidity next time I see her. I think the problem he has is that you were bragging about trying to correct misinformation (quantum cures disease) with misinformation (quantum is restricted to subatomic sizes). I don't think he's questioning your motives.
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3rd December 2010, 10:04 PM	#349
ElMondoHummus 0.25 short of being half-witted Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere north of the South Pole Posts: 11,938	Originally Posted by Craig4 Check out the conspiracy theory forum. Now they get some cranks with staying power. Oh, Gawd yes! All one has to do is either look at the "Realistice" thread, or search for the ex-member Heiwa's multiple abuses of engineering to see this. But at the same time, the staying power is really based on other non-CT woo peddler's tactics: Repetition of debunked points as if they've never been addressed, let alone refuted. Really, they're no different from other woo pushers. It's just that some of them are severely obstinate. Much like some of the homeopathy advocates that come around here.
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4th December 2010, 02:35 AM	#350
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,438	Originally Posted by TjW I think the problem he has is that you were bragging about trying to correct misinformation (quantum cures disease) with misinformation (quantum is restricted to subatomic sizes). I don't think he's questioning your motives. I was trying to keep it simple for my neighbour.As an interested layman I am quite familiar with the quantum theory.There are some picky people here.

4th December 2010, 04:44 AM	#351
alfa1 Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 331	“I defined half-cannibals those who are eating meat” Adrian Ferent The top clerics of the world are half-cannibals, in December in Romania the savages will kill the pigs waiting for the birth of Jesus, the half-cannibal president of Argentine said: Eat pork, spice your sex life! Like I said: 98% of people are at animal level! I am wondering what Waves the mankind is sending in the Universe…to Aliens civilizations. http://www.boston.com/news/odd/artic...or_better_sex/
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4th December 2010, 06:07 AM	#352
EHocking Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,409	Originally Posted by alfa1 .. in December in Romania the savages will kill the pigs waiting for the birth of Jesus... How long have these pigs been waiting? I think they may have missed the alleged event by over two thousand years.
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4th December 2010, 08:19 AM	#353
Craig4 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 5,363	Originally Posted by alfa1 “I defined half-cannibals those who are eating meat” Adrian Ferent The top clerics of the world are half-cannibals, in December in Romania the savages will kill the pigs waiting for the birth of Jesus, the half-cannibal president of Argentine said: Eat pork, spice your sex life! Like I said: 98% of people are at animal level! I am wondering what Waves the mankind is sending in the Universe…to Aliens civilizations. http://www.boston.com/news/odd/artic...or_better_sex/ Ooooookay lets all just smile nod, and back out of the room slowly.
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4th December 2010, 08:50 AM	#354
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	Originally Posted by alfa1 ... Like I said: 98% of people are at animal level! ...] . No, humans behave worse than animals, given the opportunity.

4th December 2010, 08:59 AM	#355
dasmiller Just the right amount of cowbell Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Well past Hither, looking for Yon Posts: 3,451	Originally Posted by I Ratant . Originally Posted by alfa1 ... Like I said: 98% of people are at animal level! ...] . No, humans behave worse than animals, given the opportunity. That must be the other 2% of humanity, then.
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