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Alfven's double layer paper is *LIGHT YEARS* less confusing than 'reconnection' theory. You folks STILL think B field lines can begin and end in the absence of a monopole. You STILL believe that the rate of 'reconnection' is somehow detached from "current" through the NULL, but without it, equations 16, 17 and the total "reconnection" becomes "ZERO"!
The "reconnection" process is not, and never will be "plasma/current optional". Get real. Unless one of you has a monopole up your sleeve, FOREGETABOUTIT! Aflven was right in the sense that it's "pseudo" correct, and therefore "pseudo-science". You're still all confused as hell because you still think "reconnection" is current optional, even though I've pointed out the equation in Priests paper that demonstrates that to be FALSE! |
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Tim seems to have done a fair job of exposing the actual source of the lies.
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There is no rational reason to refer to magnetic reconnection by any other term. Science isn't about negotiating a desired but unsupportable explanation into existence by demanding that everyone use some alternative terminology.
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It still looks like a dishonest equivocation is being made between the terms "magnetic reconnection" and "electrical discharge". Nobody in this discussion is using those terms synonymously, so it's a non sequitur to complain that an explanation of magnetic reconnection fails to demonstrate an electrical discharge. |
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You are lying. I have never said that I am an expert on plasma physics.
My expertise is in solid state physics (and fairly outdated!). Not that makes a difference: tusenfem is an expert on plasma physics and you ignore what he says about plasma physics. Tim Thompson has displayed a good knowledge of plasma physics and you ignore what he says. Somov is an expert on plasma physics and you cannot understand the simple fact that he describes MR in vacuum (Michael Mozina's delusions about Somov's 'Reconnection in a Vacuum' section) Demoulin & Priest are experts in plasma physics and you are deluded about their paper (Michael Mozina's delusions about the Demoulin & Priest 1992 paper!) Priest & Forbes are experts in plasma physics and you cannot understand their introduction where they state why MR is considered the cause of solar flares. Anthony Peratt is an expert in plasma physics and you cannot understand him (Michael Mozina's fantasy about Anthony Peratt's definition of electrical discharge!). Dungey was an expert on plasma physics and you cannot understand that his term for large current density is obsolete (Michael Mozina's delusion about electrical discharges in plasma). L. VAN DRIEL-GESZTELYI is an expert on plasma physic s and you are ignoring his review of Observational Signatures of Magnetic Reconnection as of 2003. These are just citations in this thread. You are also ignoring every plasma physics expert in the world who has published anything on MR .
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No, Tim has just consistently avoided meeting me in the middle and accepting the fact that the process isn't "plasma/current optional" as demonstrated in Priests equation 16&17.
The only one "equivocating" here is you. You're still on the denial-go-round that electrical discharges occur in plasma, even though that is EXACTLY what *DUNGEY'S* paper describes. You folks want to LEAVE OUT the single most important feature of the process, *AND THE PLASMA* and still call it "reconnection". NOTHING happens in a vacuum, but magnetic flux changes over time, and NOTHING reconnects at equations 17. |
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Tim, the part that is "pseudoscience" is your (collective) belief that the "reconnection" process involves B LINE reconnection. It doesn't. Equation 16&17 relate to CURRENT, not MONOPOLES. B field *LINE* reconnection is pure PSEUDOSCIENCE unless you have a monopole in your pocket. Do you?
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In case you haven't figured it out: MM: Try to get it right for once - I pity you, not hate you.
It is obvious that the science is meaningless to you, e.g. MM: The definition of magnetic field lines = no lines at a neutral point. And yes you are lying again !I have made efforts to increase my knowledge of this topic. I have read many papers on MR and solar physics and are confident that I understand most of them because
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BZZT. Learn to read:
Michael Mozina's delusions about Somov's 'Reconnection in a Vacuum' section
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followed by the induction of an electric field and that this field can accelerate charged particles. Michael Mozina's delusions about the Demoulin & Priest 1992 paper! |
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Yes, I know he has charged particles in his "vacuum" RC, otherwise "reconnection" and charged particle acceleration doesn't happen. Equation 17 is zero without some charged particles. Unlike you, I've also read AN ENTIRE BOOK by Somov, including chapter 16 where he relates it all back to Alfven's views. But you wouldn't know anything about that, since your knowledge is limited to a nifty quote mine here and there and devoid of any actual (plasma) physics.
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That is rather dumb - you thinking that MR is confusiing makes it invalid
!Acually MR is quite clear if you have the background to understand it MM: The definition of magnetic field lines = no lines at a neutral point. Gibberish but maybe Michael Mozina's delusion about "*RECONNECTIONS* per unit length" combined with Michael Mozina's delusions about the Demoulin & Priest 1992 paper! Michael Mozina's delusions about Somov's 'Reconnection in a Vacuum' section Alfvén strongly stresses the danger of using the frozen-in concept (not MR) Michael Mozina's delusions about the Demoulin & Priest 1992 paper! |
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Still deluded: Michael Mozina's delusions about Somov's 'Reconnection in a Vacuum' section
He described MR in a vacuum then mentions that the induced E filed can accelerate any charged particles (obviously not a vacuum!). and that equation 17 obsession raises its ugly head once again: Michael Mozina's delusions about the Demoulin & Priest 1992 paper! |
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It makes the conversion at equation 17 *UNNECESSARY* for starters.
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No surprise. None of the four of you real EU haters even owns a book on plasma physics, let alone have read one. No wonder you're all confused as hell and think equation 17 is going to be anything other than ZERO in a vacuum.
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Originally Posted by Michael Mozina
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Clinger's "result" involved a HUGE, GIGANTIC, GLARING, STUPENDOUS bait and switch at the end involving PLASMA, after he promised to replicate Dungey's reconnection process WITHOUT plasma. That's hate and bait and switch, not science.
I even pointed out the SCIENCE in equations 16&17 that makes it PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for "reconnection" to occur without plasma and without current. Those folks don't care one iota about science. It's all about a hate-go-round with this crew. |
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Michael Mozina's delusions about the Demoulin & Priest 1992 paper!
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There is no "conversion" at equation 17. There is the derivation of the density of magnetic charges from a current along the z-axis (the l=0 component of the multipole expansion). One more time for you MM: Section 2 is the multipole expansion of a linear force-free field. This has an infinite number of components labeled with l which has values of 0, 1, 2, 3, etc. In a multipole expansion, l=0 is the monopole component (l=1 is the dipole, l=2 is the quadrapole, etc.). For example the CMB power spectrum has monopoles (the l=0 component) !Section 3.3 is Demoulin & Priest explicitly proving that there can be no isolated magnetic charges (no actual monopoles) in a linear force-free field. |
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That is a great big lie, MM
!tusenfem works in plasma physics. He has definitely read books on plasma physics. He probably owns several books. Tim Thompson has displayed a good knowledge of plasma physics and cited books on plasma physics, e.g. Priest & Forbes. He probably owns at least 1 book on plasma physics. I have read books containing plasma physics but this was 25 years ago so my knowledge is outdated and my memory of it quite vague. I do not own any plasma physics books. That is why I am refreshing my knowledge. |
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Neither Tim nor tusenfem are true "EU haters" RC. They both provide actual materials to read, and they've read the relevant materials. Whatever differences of agreement we may have are honest differences of agreement. The four official "haters" (the ones that don't own a plasma physics book between you) are you, GM, Clinger, and PS. The rest don't qualify as haters, because the rest have either:
A) read the material in question B) do not engage in personal attacks Tim and tusenfem take their shots, but at least I know they've read the material and they've provided useful references. Now if I can just get either one of them to discuss equations 16 and 17 in Priests source/sink paper.
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Then you are at least lying about me because I have provided actual materials to read and I have read relevant material (just not the books that you demand that everyone read).
I will remind you that I have read books containing plasma physics. You are persisting with the hater lie: MM: Try to get it right for once - I pity you, not hate you. And talking about useful references: Have you rea Observational Signatures of Magnetic Reconnection as of 2003 yet? After all if you can demand that I read another book on plasma physics then I can ask that you read a paper listing the evidence for MR on the Sun !
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If you aren't a "hater", then lay off the loaded language, like "DELUDED", LIAR, BS like that. Otherwise you're behaviors are not congruent with your claims (hypocrisy).
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Oh, ya, and accept that fact that CURRENT IS A REQUIREMENT IN EQUATIONS 16&17! The process called "reconnection" is not PLASMA OPTIONAL!
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That will be a quite short discussion on The properties of sources and sinks of a linear force-free field .
The l=0 component of the multipole expansion is nothing to do with acual monopoles as section 3.3 proves. There nothing to discuss about equations 16 and 17. They are just the application of theorems to previous equations.
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False. Giiberish and ignorance: Michael Mozina's delusions about Somov's 'Reconnection in a Vacuum' section
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I guess I have to let you slide on that one eh?
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You are wrong (and becoming persistently wrong , i.e. deluded
).Equation 16 is that a CURRENT EXISTS along the z-axis in a linear force-free field. It is not a REQUIREMENT of anything. It is a CONSEQUENCE. The properties of sources and sinks of a linear force-free field .
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Wouldn't matter if he had. I've been through courses undergrad basic E+M, undergrad advanced E+M, graduate E+M (Jackson is a bitch of a textbook), undergraduate plasma physics, and graduate level plasma physics. I see the sense in Clinger's excellent 5-part series. And you will still ignore me.
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I have no reason to ignore you. You're definitely no hater.
I see "sense" in it too. Reconnection won't WORK without plasma DESPITE Clingers claims to the contrary something like a year ago. In my world of commercial sales, that's called "bait and switch" advertizing. You can't claim something works without electricity, but "oh you have to plug it in, and it uses electricity". ![]()
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Michael Mozina's delusions about Somov's 'Reconnection in a Vacuum' section
Somov's vacuum is a vacuum .Is this is another delusion of yours? That a section on MR in vacuum that ends with mentioning the effect of the induced E field on chraged particles is not about MR in vacuum? So lets add even more of the text that you are ignoring:
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Every single one of your hater posts has to contain boatloads of hater language like:
Delusions, liar, crackpot, yada, yada, yada. You've never admitted to the fact that equation 17 becomes zero without current. No current, no "reconnection". Facts are facts. |
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