SPLC: Sovereign Citizens

Arus808 · 2nd December 2010, 12:02 AM

This is a really good video. The man interviewed, his son who was on duty was shot and killed by a father and son who were pulled over on the highway

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I AGREE

What pisses me off however is the amount of CRAP in the YT comments to this video. The lies upon lies within the comments really shows how OUT of freaking touch with reality that Americans are.

Aepervius · 2nd December 2010, 12:53 AM

I had no idea what "sovereign citizen" is

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen

Turns out it is the same idiocy as tax evader, people trying to make up story to avoid following the law.

Wildy · 2nd December 2010, 04:37 AM

There are a few threads in the CT forum on them.

They are just a bunch of freeloaders who want the benefits of society without any of the responsibility.

dtugg · 2nd December 2010, 04:41 AM

Originally Posted by Arus808

What pisses me off however is the amount of CRAP in the YT comments to this video. The lies upon lies within the comments really shows how OUT of freaking touch with reality that Americans are.

The comments of some whackjobs on the Internet shows how out of touch with reality a nation of 300 million plus is?

Ysidro · 2nd December 2010, 05:33 AM

Yeah, unless this is a new guy this got mention over in CT. Check out threads on taxation, freeman on the land (FOTL), and the like.

It is just another form of the "tax protestor" movement. And by "form" I mean "it's the exact same thing with a new name."

Emet · 2nd December 2010, 11:37 AM

Very disturbing video. Very sad.

I make it a habit to never read YT video comments.

sadhatter · 2nd December 2010, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Wildy

There are a few threads in the CT forum on them.

They are just a bunch of freeloaders who want the benefits of society without any of the responsibility.

My favorite bit is that they use the logic " but not everyone will do what we do, so society won't crumble. ".

If i come into your house and take 5 cookies from your pantry, i am still a jerk. Regardless of if the rest of the neighborhood comes over and eats the rest.

These are the same kind of people that would say " Sure we should get a case of beer/bag of pot tonight." then when it shows up say " oh, i didn't bring any money.". They know that people will , in general let them partake, but they feel they should be able to extend this a-holey habit to every bit of life.

Mark6 · 3rd December 2010, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by Aepervius

I had no idea what "sovereign citizen" is

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen

Turns out it is the same idiocy as tax evader, people trying to make up story to avoid following the law.

Yes, it is idiotic:

Quote:

the idea that one can renounce one's citizenship in order to evade the laws of the land is not a right recognized in most countries

Because not being a citizen of the country you live in is actually a very common occurrence, and it NEVER frees you from paying taxes, in any country. At best, it frees you from paying taxes in the country of which you are citizen (if any), but never of the country in which you reside.

"You renounce your US citizenship? No problem, you are off voting rolls. Now pay your taxes."

IDB87 · 3rd December 2010, 06:40 AM

Watching this video really upset me. And then the YT comments..

AvalonXQ · 3rd December 2010, 06:50 AM

Good article on these guys.

2nd December 2010, 12:53 AM	#2
Aepervius Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bierland. I mean , germany. Posts: 7,752	I had no idea what "sovereign citizen" is http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen Turns out it is the same idiocy as tax evader, people trying to make up story to avoid following the law.
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2nd December 2010, 04:37 AM	#3
Wildy Adelaidean Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia, not that you'll read the "location" field. Posts: 9,922	There are a few threads in the CT forum on them. They are just a bunch of freeloaders who want the benefits of society without any of the responsibility.
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2nd December 2010, 05:33 AM	#5
Ysidro I'm watching you Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 5,334	Yeah, unless this is a new guy this got mention over in CT. Check out threads on taxation, freeman on the land (FOTL), and the like. It is just another form of the "tax protestor" movement. And by "form" I mean "it's the exact same thing with a new name."
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2nd December 2010, 11:37 AM	#6
Emet Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,395	Very disturbing video. Very sad. I make it a habit to never read YT video comments.
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2nd December 2010, 12:14 PM	#7
sadhatter Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,743	Originally Posted by Wildy There are a few threads in the CT forum on them. They are just a bunch of freeloaders who want the benefits of society without any of the responsibility. My favorite bit is that they use the logic " but not everyone will do what we do, so society won't crumble. ". If i come into your house and take 5 cookies from your pantry, i am still a jerk. Regardless of if the rest of the neighborhood comes over and eats the rest. These are the same kind of people that would say " Sure we should get a case of beer/bag of pot tonight." then when it shows up say " oh, i didn't bring any money.". They know that people will , in general let them partake, but they feel they should be able to extend this a-holey habit to every bit of life.
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2nd December 2010, 04:41 AM	#4
dtugg Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NWO headquarters Posts: 7,898	Originally Posted by Arus808 What pisses me off however is the amount of CRAP in the YT comments to this video. The lies upon lies within the comments really shows how OUT of freaking touch with reality that Americans are. The comments of some whackjobs on the Internet shows how out of touch with reality a nation of 300 million plus is?

3rd December 2010, 06:16 AM	#8
Mark6 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,176	Originally Posted by Aepervius I had no idea what "sovereign citizen" is http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen Turns out it is the same idiocy as tax evader, people trying to make up story to avoid following the law. Yes, it is idiotic: Quote: the idea that one can renounce one's citizenship in order to evade the laws of the land is not a right recognized in most countries Because not being a citizen of the country you live in is actually a very common occurrence, and it NEVER frees you from paying taxes, in any country. At best, it frees you from paying taxes in the country of which you are citizen (if any), but never of the country in which you reside. "You renounce your US citizenship? No problem, you are off voting rolls. Now pay your taxes."
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3rd December 2010, 06:40 AM	#9
IDB87 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: In the Grass Posts: 3,414	Watching this video really upset me. And then the YT comments..

3rd December 2010, 06:50 AM	#10
AvalonXQ Guest Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 11,853	Good article on these guys.
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