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Old 5th December 2010, 10:44 PM   #81
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Originally Posted by little grey rabbit View Post
Of course Anna Ardin is the press officer for the Swedish "Brotherhood Movement"

OMFSM! Never heard of this woman until now, but what I just read was very interesting.

Meet Wikileaks Founder's Alleged Sex Victim
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The backlash against the former university research assistant is fueled not only by the police backing down from the charges against Assange but also by a seven step guide Ardin published in January to "legal revenge" that involves, in one example, sabotaging a victim's sexual relationships.

Then there was the quote from an unnamed accuser in the tabloid Aftonbladet, clearing Assange of forcing himself on anyone: "It is quite wrong that we were afraid of him. He is not violent and I do not feel threatened by him.... The responsibility for what happened to me and the other girl lies with a man who had attitude problems with women."
So one hates him and one still loves him. Kidding, see that winky.

Assange's Alleged Victim Revealed
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Ardin published a guide to "legal revenge" on her blog, one that details how to compromise a target's sexual relationships.
Apparently the blog is now closed.
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Old 6th December 2010, 12:11 AM   #82
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The charges have now been dropped to 'unexpected sex', whatever that is, which is only punishable with a fine. Not the thing you would expect to get interpol on the job for.
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Old 6th December 2010, 02:05 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by cornsail View Post
I hate it when condoms wikileak.
Don't worry.

She won't get pregnant until he releases the password that activates his semen.
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Old 6th December 2010, 02:12 AM   #84
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Oh the drama !

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Old 6th December 2010, 02:27 AM   #85
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
The charges have now been dropped to 'unexpected sex', whatever that is, which is only punishable with a fine. Not the thing you would expect to get interpol on the job for.
Sweden has a law against 'unexpected sex'?

LOL!
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Old 6th December 2010, 03:08 AM   #86
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Originally Posted by Travis View Post
Would there be a public backlash in Sweden if this all just trumped up?


For the record I am the one person who is jealous of his "action."
Most ordinary Swedes consider this trumped up already. Chances for backlash are slim, though, as we are doped with religion new age, sex and tv and therefore think we are so clever and classless and free. Revolts happen when the comfortable middle get squeezed enough to stand in solidarity with the working poor. The trick of Swedish politics is to stick a telly in each house and a chicken in every pot and thereby have everyone thinking they are the comfortable middle. Piddling little things like freedom of speech seem unimportant to most people under those circumstances.

As long as the dawn raid at your neighbour's house doesn't rip up your lawn - it's all good.

And there is, of course, the issue of cultural conditioning for not rocking the boat. Government by tone-trolling. We clench our fists in our pockets, but no one wants to be the one being awkward. That would be embarrassing.

Concensus on most general interest boards is about the same as many have expressed in this thread1, (except for fringe right boards and neo nazis who call for his head)


1. The general opinion in Sweden being:
* He's a dick for not just reassuring the poor wee thing in the first place. The fact that he sleeps around doesn't really bother people.
* He has not done anything illegal and this is clearly Prosecutor Ny trying to pull a Van der Kwast.
* Everything has been handled with the maximum amount of incompetence and malignancy.
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Old 6th December 2010, 03:15 AM   #87
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unexpected sex?
what the heck is that?
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Old 6th December 2010, 03:44 AM   #88
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Originally Posted by egslim View Post
It gets better, with this article from Crikey
The women are named there, it seems 'Woman A' is Ardin and 'Woman B' is Wilén.

Woman gets raped, then throws party in rapists' honour. No further comment necessary.

This wasn't rape, these were two women who are after revenge because they felt cheated upon. Which I consider more than a little naive on their part. If you have sex with someone famous outside a relationship it's unlikely you're their only conquest.
That article was written by a barrister representing Assange. Not exactly a neutral observer.

I don't know enough to say just now, but the prosecuters may have information that has not been made public yet.
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Old 6th December 2010, 05:33 AM   #89
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Originally Posted by DC View Post
unexpected sex?
what the heck is that?
I would imagine unexpected sex to be somehing along the lines of a male coming out of the bathroom blowing his hair with a hairblower with an erect penis, stumbling on the threshold of the bathroom door, falling right onto the female who just happens to be scrubbing the floor, naked, from behind. In a million to one chance penetration occurs just as he plunges the hairdryer into the waterbucket.

Some intense unexpected sex occurs until the fuse blows out.
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Old 6th December 2010, 05:38 AM   #90
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Originally Posted by Jaxe View Post
I would imagine unexpected sex to be somehing along the lines of a male coming out of the bathroom blowing his hair with a hairblower with an erect penis, stumbling on the threshold of the bathroom door, falling right onto the female who just happens to be scrubbing the floor, naked, from behind. In a million to one chance penetration occurs just as he plunges the hairdryer into the waterbucket.

Some intense unexpected sex occurs until the fuse blows out.
Oh that.

I hate it when that happens.

Especially when I'm the one scrubbing the floor.

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Old 6th December 2010, 06:25 AM   #91
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Originally Posted by Jaxe View Post
I would imagine unexpected sex to be somehing along the lines of a male coming out of the bathroom blowing his hair with a hairblower with an erect penis, stumbling on the threshold of the bathroom door, falling right onto the female who just happens to be scrubbing the floor, naked, from behind. In a million to one chance penetration occurs just as he plunges the hairdryer into the waterbucket.

Some intense unexpected sex occurs until the fuse blows out.
aah, thats why i never use hairblower.
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Old 6th December 2010, 07:59 AM   #92
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I have to say, the only way I see these charges being not 100% politically motivated (maybe only 90%) is if both of these women found out they actually have an STD, the same one, and think they can trace it to him. In that case, if they can prove the caught something from him, and they can prove he knew he had an STD, AND they can prove he intentionally had unprotected sex against their will, there might be a case against him.

Unexpected sex though... That's just weird. Are we sure it's not unexpected unprotected sex?
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Old 6th December 2010, 08:16 AM   #93
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
In time for what others?

Hep B - anyone sexually active should be vaccinated ahead of time.
Making a mistake in the first place does not automatically disqualify you from trying to fix it. Is that so hard to understand?

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In this country you cannot demand an STD test of your sexual partner whether the condom broke or not. AFTER a person is convicted of a sex crime, STD tests can be ordered. If a person has reason to believe they have been criminally exposed there may be some means of ordering a subpoena for specific STD test. Some prison staff are allowed to order STD tests if it affects where they are going to house prisoners. And if you expose someone to your blood during an assault, after you are convicted, the victim can ask for a court ordered test of blood infections.
He wasn't ordered to submit to STD testing. He was asked, and he refused. That doesn't make him a rapist*, true, but it hardly makes him an upstanding member of society, either.

*Swedish law might be different, unlikely but not impossible

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Old 6th December 2010, 08:36 AM   #94
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Originally Posted by whatthebutlersaw View Post
Concensus on most general interest boards is about the same as many have expressed in this thread1, (except for fringe right boards and neo nazis who call for his head)
Neo Nazi's make about as much sense as Little Grey Rabbit on acid.

Aren't they usually of the opinion that America is controlled by teh Joos?
Now they are suddenly over-protective of US secrets?
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My bad, I misphrased the charge. It is "Sex by Surprise".
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According to the Guardian Blog that quotes the Metropolitan Police, the charges are:

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He is accused by the Swedish authorities of one count of unlawful coercion, two counts of sexual molestation and one count of rape, all alleged to have been committed in August 2010.
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Originally Posted by whatthebutlersaw View Post
Most ordinary Swedes consider this trumped up already. Chances for backlash are slim, though, as we are doped with religion new age, sex and tv and therefore think we are so clever and classless and free. Revolts happen when the comfortable middle get squeezed enough to stand in solidarity with the working poor. The trick of Swedish politics is to stick a telly in each house and a chicken in every pot and thereby have everyone thinking they are the comfortable middle. Piddling little things like freedom of speech seem unimportant to most people under those circumstances.

As long as the dawn raid at your neighbour's house doesn't rip up your lawn - it's all good.

And there is, of course, the issue of cultural conditioning for not rocking the boat. Government by tone-trolling. We clench our fists in our pockets, but no one wants to be the one being awkward. That would be embarrassing.

Concensus on most general interest boards is about the same as many have expressed in this thread1, (except for fringe right boards and neo nazis who call for his head)


1. The general opinion in Sweden being:
* He's a dick for not just reassuring the poor wee thing in the first place. The fact that he sleeps around doesn't really bother people.
* He has not done anything illegal and this is clearly Prosecutor Ny trying to pull a Van der Kwast.
* Everything has been handled with the maximum amount of incompetence and malignancy.
Also, he dropped Leif Silbersky as his lawyer. That's just freaking stupid.
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
The charges have now been dropped to 'unexpected sex', whatever that is, which is only punishable with a fine. Not the thing you would expect to get interpol on the job for.
Not to mention getting put on Interpol's most wanted list before the proper arrest warrant was even issued, and being denied bail when Assange turned himself in as soon as the proper warrant was issued. And it sounds like the warrant is only saying he is to be questioned. It is not for an actual criminal charge.

And then there is having all your bank accounts frozen again, while no crime has been charged.

This guy is the most blatant political prisoner in the supposedly civil rights respecting Western countries. No country seems to have a law the guy broke. What will the public do if the US declares him an enemy combatant? Think there's enough sheeple to go along? Or are there enough people who are not asleep at the wheel who will raise public outrage over the US arresting a political dissident who hasn't broken any laws except maybe some quickly established copyright infringement Eric Holder drummed up? But that is a civil offense, not a criminal offense isn't it?

What specific crime has been committed? He refused to return the documents after being ordered by the US for him to do so. But he wasn't under US jurisdiction. Can the US charge a Chinese citizen for copyright infringement or counterfeiting products? I don't think so.
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unexpected sex?
what the heck is that?
Something good, I would think.
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
That article was written by a barrister representing Assange. Not exactly a neutral observer.

I don't know enough to say just now, but the prosecuters may have information that has not been made public yet.
Oh come on. Do you really think these charges are not trumped up? Who cares what Assange's lawyer said. Can you not assess the obvious for yourself?
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Sometimes prosecutors use a lesser change to arrest and hold a person whom they think will shortly be wanted on a far more grievous change.
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unexpected sex?
what the heck is that?
It's like the Spanish Inquisition, but with sex.
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Originally Posted by McHrozni View Post
Making a mistake in the first place does not automatically disqualify you from trying to fix it. Is that so hard to understand?



He wasn't ordered to submit to STD testing. He was asked, and he refused. That doesn't make him a rapist*, true, but it hardly makes him an upstanding member of society, either.

*Swedish law might be different, unlikely but not impossible

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It's been several months. Either these ladies have an infection or they don't. At this point you don't chase a guy to another county to get him to tell you if he had an STD, you get tested.

This is absolute nonsense to actually take these charges seriously and not see them as totally trumped up. You can believe what you want. I think is a farce.
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Sometimes prosecutors use a lesser change to arrest and hold a person whom they think will shortly be wanted on a far more grievous change.
Sure, but there needs to be a specific law they suspect you violated.

That's quite different from waiting for the US to make a law up or declare the guy to be a enemy combatant.

This is exactly why it was so dangerous when Bush started up Gitmo and locked people up that supposedly posed a threat to the US. Now we see it has become acceptable in the eyes of many to arrest a broader range of political enemies.
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Not to mention getting put on Interpol's most wanted list before the proper arrest warrant was even issued, and being denied bail when Assange turned himself in as soon as the proper warrant was issued. And it sounds like the warrant is only saying he is to be questioned. It is not for an actual criminal charge.

And then there is having all your bank accounts frozen again, while no crime has been charged.

This guy is the most blatant political prisoner in the supposedly civil rights respecting Western countries. No country seems to have a law the guy broke. What will the public do if the US declares him an enemy combatant? Think there's enough sheeple to go along? Or are there enough people who are not asleep at the wheel who will raise public outrage over the US arresting a political dissident who hasn't broken any laws except maybe some quickly established copyright infringement Eric Holder drummed up? But that is a civil offense, not a criminal offense isn't it?

What specific crime has been committed? He refused to return the documents after being ordered by the US for him to do so. But he wasn't under US jurisdiction. Can the US charge a Chinese citizen for copyright infringement or counterfeiting products? I don't think so.
Do you have a link what Holder said about copyright infringement? Because thati s, well, the most ridiculous chare I heard thus far. According to US law, documents produced by the US government are not copyrighted!
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This is absolute nonsense to actually take these charges seriously and not see them as totally trumped up. You can believe what you want. I think is a farce.
You're right. We should never believe sluts who claim they were raped.
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Do you have a link what Holder said about copyright infringement? Because thati s, well, the most ridiculous chare I heard thus far. According to US law, documents produced by the US government are not copyrighted!
I think his "insurance file" possibly opens him up to blackmail charges, where no other charge could have been pressed by the US. Oh, the irony!
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Sure, but there needs to be a specific law they suspect you violated.

That's quite different from waiting for the US to make a law up or declare the guy to be a enemy combatant.

This is exactly why it was so dangerous when Bush started up Gitmo and locked people up that supposedly posed a threat to the US. Now we see it has become acceptable in the eyes of many to arrest a broader range of political enemies.
Generally, there are enough laws that you CAN tell the AG to "find something to charge him with" and he can find something that will pass muster. If nothing else, they may have him on espionage changes.

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The only problem with that is that you could charge any number of news resources with espionage, including all those ones currently publishing stories about the leaks.
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The only problem with that is that you could charge any number of news resources with espionage, including all those ones currently publishing stories about the leaks.
This is why prosecutors have the power to decide who not to prosecute.
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If that's all he did it doesn't really look like rape. But who knows? That's what a trial is for.
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Old 7th December 2010, 12:41 PM   #112
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Aparantly Ms Ardin has some very interesting connections from her past;
"One of the women that is accusing WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange of sex crimes appears to have worked with a group that has connections to the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)"

assange-rape-accuser-cia-ties/

Not a great source, but the news did not originate there, and is much more widespread than i had anticipated (google it ), just thought it was a well written summary of the current situation.

Personally i still doubt that we're dealing with an actual "sex trap" here, swedish sexual offense laws are a joke (not in a good way), but then again, that does make a sex trap placed in sweden the perfect place to place a sex trap, where in the past mere accusation has proven to be enough to find you guilty of rape*.

Also found this interesting post, Assange - the inside story about the rape charges

* Source, source (in swedish, use google translate ).
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Old 7th December 2010, 01:11 PM   #113
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I think his "insurance file" possibly opens him up to blackmail charges, where no other charge could have been pressed by the US. Oh, the irony!
This is where I think he made his mistake...I hope.
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Old 7th December 2010, 01:17 PM   #114
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I don't care for Assange. I think he's a bit of a hypocrite and just looks smug.

But I'm not comfortable with him being gotten for some trumped up thing about unprotected sex. If someone is going to get him for espionage or blackmail then they need to charge him with that and arrest him for that.

This circus act is annoying.
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Old 7th December 2010, 01:21 PM   #115
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And then there is this; http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12..._on_wikileaks/
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Old 7th December 2010, 01:39 PM   #116
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The more I hear the more I am sure that this has been totally set up, by Assange and his supporters. They couldn't have bought this sort of publicity.
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Old 7th December 2010, 02:12 PM   #117
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The charges have now been dropped to 'unexpected sex', whatever that is, which is only punishable with a fine. Not the thing you would expect to get interpol on the job for.
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There's a fine for that?
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Old 7th December 2010, 02:13 PM   #118
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unexpected sex?
what the heck is that?
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Watch my life for a day or three.
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Old 7th December 2010, 02:15 PM   #119
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He is accused by the Swedish authorities of one count of unlawful coercion, two counts of sexual molestation and one count of rape, all alleged to have been committed in August 2010.
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And just in hell is anyone on the Internet going to have anything but an uninformed and more than likely specious opinion on this?
None of us were there!
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Old 7th December 2010, 04:00 PM   #120
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Oh come on. Do you really think these charges are not trumped up? Who cares what Assange's lawyer said. Can you not assess the obvious for yourself?
It seems that Swedish rape law is a bit different. Perhaps this article will shed some light:

http://m.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/d...a&type=article

The prosecuter has dismissed suggestions that the charges are politically motivated.
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