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likelystory · 13th December 2010, 01:09 PM

This thread is not designed to boast about an idea I have of revoloutionary Wind Technology,but rather to state in advance of secret things that I knew prior.

Here's a video showing many ''other'' people's ideas of their wind technology... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEPDkMN71XA

My vast improvement of Wind Technology could meet the Earth's demand for power consumption,The Tech would be so useful to fuel Desalination Plants and purifying drinking water,for heating and cooking and cooling systems. (This seems to sit in my gut fairly well)

I could bring out similar Tech to fuel cars, but how many people are directly affected by New Tech?How many people would loose thier Jobs as a direct result of New Tech or vastly improved Tech. Majority of people don't agree with Oil companies because of their slash and burn policies,but how many people have become Oil Company dependent ?

Does New Tech really produce new jobs for the young only and so throw the Older generation onto the scrap heap? So here I am forecasting my wind machine devices. Should I bring them out to counter the Oil Companies ''couldn't give a care attitude''? I'm not really asking for anyone's approval,I felt like letting people know that the Earth doesn't need to be Oil Dependent.

casebro · 13th December 2010, 01:32 PM

Yeah, sure.

A Laughing Baby · 13th December 2010, 01:36 PM

Go for it. World's ending in 2012 anyway, so just really let it all hang out, you know?

madurobob · 13th December 2010, 02:05 PM

Ummmm

Originally Posted by likelystory

This thread is not designed to boast about an idea I have of revoloutionary Wind Technology...

Vs.

Originally Posted by likelystory

My vast improvement of Wind Technology could meet the Earth's demand for power consumption

And

Originally Posted by likelystory

The Tech would be so useful to fuel Desalination Plants and purifying drinking water,for heating and cooking and cooling systems. (This seems to sit in my gut fairly well)

And

Originally Posted by likelystory

I could bring out similar Tech to fuel cars...

Not that its wrong, but it does smell a bit like boasting.

Originally Posted by likelystory

I felt like letting people know that the Earth doesn't need to be Oil Dependent.

Oh, hey, thanks!

casebro · 13th December 2010, 02:36 PM

Boasting I could handle, if backed up by actual performance. But he seems to hinting that he has a new approach that will make a leap forward in efficiency of several quantum steps.

I suggest he save the boasting until he can show us the megawatt out put. Which probably won't happen until he comes down.

The Central Scrutinizer · 13th December 2010, 02:39 PM

How come the nuts always come here and spend so much time telling us how great and revolutionary their inventions are instead of, oh I don't know, actually spending that time building and selling their inventions?

likelystory · 13th December 2010, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

How come the nuts always come here and spend so much time telling us how great and revolutionary their inventions are instead of, oh I don't know, actually spending that time building and selling their inventions?

Excuse me Sir,I am the exceptional nut. I have been building it and then I dismantled it and then sawed it up,yet I held on to some parts for future testing. I have the patent paperwork,it's a matter of me improving my drawing skills,then I can have the patent pending.

Dr. Keith · 13th December 2010, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by likelystory

Excuse me Sir,I am the exceptional nut. I have been building it and then I dismantled it and then sawed it up,yet I held on to some parts for future testing. I have the patent paperwork,it's a matter of me improving my drawing skills,then I can have the patent pending.

Hire a draftsman.

ben m · 13th December 2010, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by likelystory

My vast improvement of Wind Technology could meet the Earth's demand for power consumption,

Have you actually invented a vast improvement of wind technology?

Do you have a numerical calculation of how much power your device would generate (in megawatts) under some nominal wind condition?

Do you have an engineering estimate of the cost per unit of this device?

Has a licensed professional engineer signed off on the above calculations? (And "I mentioned it to my mates down the pub, one of whom is a repairman, and they all said it sounded good" doesn't count.) If not, who is the most-highly-educated technical expert who has checked your power calculation? How about your cost estimate?

Does your idea involve high-altitude kites and/or the jet stream? 'Cause I've seen half a dozen glossy vaporware versions of that idea and exactly zero prototypes.

madurobob · 13th December 2010, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by likelystory

Excuse me Sir,I am the exceptional nut. I have been building it and then I dismantled it and then sawed it up,yet I held on to some parts for future testing. I have the patent paperwork,it's a matter of me improving my drawing skills,then I can have the patent pending.

So, you had a working model. Something that could easily be transformed into marketing collateral for gathering up a few investors. With investor backing you could easily patent, manufacture and distribute this wonderful new technology, saving the earth countless billions in energy research, oil drilling and exploration and cleaning up after the mess burning oil leaves behind, not to mention the countless human lives saved. And, you "sawed it up".

Brilliant.

Dinwar · 13th December 2010, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Excuse me Sir,I am the exceptional nut. I have been building it and then I dismantled it and then sawed it up,yet I held on to some parts for future testing. I have the patent paperwork,it's a matter of me improving my drawing skills,then I can have the patent pending.

Patents don't prove that the tech is viable, only that it's new.

Wind power will not, and CAN not, become the dominant form of energy for consumer consuption. Simply put, the wind is too variable to make it work. Even if you could make a wind farm out of 100% efficient turbines (violating the second law of thermodynamics, I might add) it would only ever serve as a supliment to other, more stable, energy forms. The issue is that during peek usage power companies need to be able to increase their output, and VERY quickly, while power generated during usage lulls is generally wasted power. The storage facilities for any excess power are 1) very large and 2) very inefficient. So at best you use wind power when it works, but you don't relie on it.

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I could bring out similar Tech to fuel cars, but how many people are directly affected by New Tech?How many people would loose thier Jobs as a direct result of New Tech or vastly improved Tech. Majority of people don't agree with Oil companies because of their slash and burn policies,but how many people have become Oil Company dependent ?

It's so nice to know that you're so considerate of us stupid people down below. Which is what this is stating: We are too stupid to handle our own careers, and must rely on the benificence of people like likelystory in order to survive.

In the real world, who do you think will snap up this sort of technology? Oilfields are already often ecological disaster zones; wind farms would be sevearl large steps up. Which means that oil companies, which own or lease large tracts of land, will see a viable option and pounce. They're already doing that--there's a reason oil companies love the idea of a hydrogen economy (we don't get H2 from water).

As for fueling cars, how many people would this new idea really put out of work? I'm looking for a full economic analysis, something like an EIR/EIS chapter, not vague "It'll hurt people" statements.

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I'm not really asking for anyone's approval,I felt like letting people know that the Earth doesn't need to be Oil Dependent.

Out of morbid curiosity, why not go to the newspapers? I'm sure they'd LOVE to break a story like this, if it's true. They're looking for ways to get news before the blogs--they'd be eating out of your hand. Instead, you posted it to an internet forum which is historically hostlie to the type of tone you're setting. Odd.

Can we see any diagrams of your idea? How about a technical description? A basic description? And I'm talking of the turbine itself, not of what it'll do to the economy or environment or anything. Do you have any facts?

Sean84 · 13th December 2010, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by likelystory

This thread is not designed to boast about an idea I have of revoloutionary Wind Technology,but rather to state in advance of secret things that I knew prior.
*snip*

Secret things ~~highflyertoo~~ likelystory has known prior:
God will give him telekinetic super powers. (date passed/changed)
Obama will be out of office by last January. (date passed/changed)
Obama is the "evil exactor" of biblical prophecy. (TBD)
Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda is the evil exactor of biblical prophecy. (2007, apparently abandoned for Obama)

The list goes on.

The question is: Will likelystory attempt to present anything remotely verifiable to confirm his newest world-changing claim or will he simply be boasting about the level of secrecy his prior knowledge requires of him so that he may perpetuate another glorious wind-up to nothing?

Personally, I don't really care. I'll be waiting for the first accusations of "pseudo-skepticism" and popping gluttonous amounts of corn.

_{Pay no attention to the man in the box.}

likelystory · 13th December 2010, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Dinwar

Patents don't prove that the tech is viable, only that it's new.

Wind power will not, and CAN not, become the dominant form of energy for consumer consuption. Simply put, the wind is too variable to make it work. Even if you could make a wind farm out of 100% efficient turbines (violating the second law of thermodynamics, I might add) it would only ever serve as a supliment to other, more stable, energy forms. The issue is that during peek usage power companies need to be able to increase their output, and VERY quickly, while power generated during usage lulls is generally wasted power. The storage facilities for any excess power are 1) very large and 2) very inefficient. So at best you use wind power when it works, but you don't relie on it.

It's so nice to know that you're so considerate of us stupid people down below. Which is what this is stating: We are too stupid to handle our own careers, and must rely on the benificence of people like likelystory in order to survive.

In the real world, who do you think will snap up this sort of technology? Oilfields are already often ecological disaster zones; wind farms would be sevearl large steps up. Which means that oil companies, which own or lease large tracts of land, will see a viable option and pounce. They're already doing that--there's a reason oil companies love the idea of a hydrogen economy (we don't get H2 from water).

As for fueling cars, how many people would this new idea really put out of work? I'm looking for a full economic analysis, something like an EIR/EIS chapter, not vague "It'll hurt people" statements.

Out of morbid curiosity, why not go to the newspapers? I'm sure they'd LOVE to break a story like this, if it's true. They're looking for ways to get news before the blogs--they'd be eating out of your hand. Instead, you posted it to an internet forum which is historically hostlie to the type of tone you're setting. Odd.

Can we see any diagrams of your idea? How about a technical description? A basic description? And I'm talking of the turbine itself, not of what it'll do to the economy or environment or anything. Do you have any facts?

I appreciate the time you took to respond to my Wind Technology... Though your statement about Wind Technology being the ongoing apprentice is surely a misnomer... Though I would like to take some time to muse on your other opinions and questions.

likelystory · 13th December 2010, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by ben m

Have you actually invented a vast improvement of wind technology?

Do you have a numerical calculation of how much power your device would generate (in megawatts) under some nominal wind condition?

Do you have an engineering estimate of the cost per unit of this device?

Has a licensed professional engineer signed off on the above calculations? (And "I mentioned it to my mates down the pub, one of whom is a repairman, and they all said it sounded good" doesn't count.) If not, who is the most-highly-educated technical expert who has checked your power calculation? How about your cost estimate?

Does your idea involve high-altitude kites and/or the jet stream? 'Cause I've seen half a dozen glossy vaporware versions of that idea and exactly zero prototypes.

Yes I have invented a new and vast improvement of WT.

No it's not high altitude kites,though I wanted to hit the Jet Stream,though dismissed that over price idea, but 100 ft height towers would produce massive amounts.

The cost factor i something I can't put into figures,yet I believe in comparision to the huge towers they have these days it would be maybe 1/5 to 1/10 of the cost with an out put of x10 to x20... It's been rather mind blowing for me these last few months.

I did ponder a similar idea(s) over a year ago,though didn't have the mental energy to make a start. I've made a start now.

The Central Scrutinizer · 13th December 2010, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by likelystory

Excuse me Sir,I am the exceptional nut. I have been building it and then I dismantled it and then sawed it up,yet I held on to some parts for future testing. I have the patent paperwork,it's a matter of me improving my drawing skills,then I can have the patent pending.

Wow, you are not going to believe this, but that's the exact same thing I did! I invented a car that gets 425 miles per gallon, then I chopped it up and melted down the metal parts. I did save the rear view mirror, brake pedal and glove box for future testing. Now all I need to do is improve my drawing skills and patent it!

sol invictus · 13th December 2010, 06:24 PM

Wind cannot supply the power needs of the human race. There literally isn't enough power in it.

Sherman Bay · 13th December 2010, 06:37 PM

So, likelystory, why not take your technology to the moon?

MattusMaximus · 13th December 2010, 06:59 PM

Talk is cheap...

To the OP, try actually doing something with your supposedly paradigm-shifting research, like getting it published in a science/engineering journal, as opposed to bragging about it on Internet forums.

What is this, open season for physics nuts? Sheesh!

ElMondoHummus · 13th December 2010, 07:27 PM

Which is why he gets the chain-yank award for this post:

Originally Posted by likelystory

Excuse me Sir,I am the exceptional nut.

Ain't that the truth... just not for the reasons he posts.

This guy's realized he can rile people just by posting ridiculous statements. Look at his Apollo Hoaxing over in CT for examples of this. He's here to prod and troll, not talk seriously. He's best ignored.

ben m · 13th December 2010, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by likelystory

The cost factor i something I can't put into figures,yet I believe in comparision to the huge towers they have these days it would be maybe 1/5 to 1/10 of the cost with an out put of x10 to x20... It's been rather mind blowing for me these last few months.

The "huge towers they have these days" are able to extract 70% to 80% of the theoretical maximum power based on the wind energy they intercept. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betz%27_law)

Therefore, even at 100%-of-Betz efficiency, the only way to build a turbine with "20x" the power of a modern large (100-150m diameter) turbine, is to build a device that sweeps a quarter of a square kilometer of surface area. Does your device intercept a 500m x500m area of the wind? No? Then you've miscalculated its power output.

Dinwar · 13th December 2010, 08:12 PM

Quote:

I appreciate the time you took to respond to my Wind Technology... Though your statement about Wind Technology being the ongoing apprentice is surely a misnomer... Though I would like to take some time to muse on your other opinions and questions.

When did I say anything about apprentices?

Quote:

Does your device intercept a 500m x500m area of the wind? No? Then you've miscalculated its power output.

Wait! Wait! I've figured it out! He's using the energy to--wait for it--split water into hydrogen and oxygen! Then he'll BURN the hydrogen and oxygen, making even MORE energy!

He and Bishadi should get together. They'd revolutionize the world.

bokonon · 13th December 2010, 08:44 PM

Because the wind is high, it blows my mind.

likelystory · 13th December 2010, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by sol invictus

Wind cannot supply the power needs of the human race. There literally isn't enough power in it.

But doesn't the wind have a long range.

For exmple, if I had wind machines hugging the coast ,wouldn't that wind at least travel 5 miles inland scourering the ''Roof Tops'' potenially mounted with Wind Machines (VAWT's Vertical Axis Wind Turbines)?

That's the thing I like about the wind,it's basically continious or long lasting energy.

Say if the wind isn't blowing in the region I'm in for a day, I can asure you that 20 miles away the wind is blowing there.

Please remember I'm talking mainly about coastal regions especially adjoining mini- sea cliffs to large headlands.

I think many people under estimate the amount of wind there actual is availible.

I'm no scientist,but from experiene along the mediterranean coast like districts the wind is semi constant to full on.

likelystory · 13th December 2010, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by Sherman Bay

So, likelystory, why not take your technology to the moon?

Yes I think I could make electricty in Space (becauce when something is intially propelled in space there's no resistance to stop it's motion), to then heat water to a gas to propell the Spacecrafts. If a Spacecraft could collect ice along the way then the craft could run for a very long time.

nathan · 13th December 2010, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by Dinwar

Even if you could make a wind farm out of 100% efficient turbines

You cannot extract 100% of the energy from the wind. If you did that, the air would all pile up behind your extraction machine -- it having no remaining momentum.

[I'm not disagreeing with Dinwar, btw, just pointing out the obvious thought experiment]

nathan · 13th December 2010, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by likelystory

Yes I think I could make electricty in Space (becauce when something is intially propelled in space there's no resistance to stop it's motion), to then heat water to a gas to propell the Spacecrafts. If a Spacecraft could collect ice along the way then the craft could run for a very long time.

Do you not see the conflict between the two emboldened fragments?

likelystory · 14th December 2010, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by nathan

You cannot extract 100% of the energy from the wind. If you did that, the air would all pile up behind your extraction machine -- it having no remaining momentum.

[I'm not disagreeing with Dinwar, btw, just pointing out the obvious thought experiment]

You are correct,yet I wasn't claiming that.

Say if I have the Wind Machines proportionally spaced between one another 20 meters, then I could extract alot of energy and then send it to a major battery bank. Which in affect would be 1000% to 10,000,000,000+%

My other approach was to have clusters of the wind machines (different heights and scale sizes) which would/could draw the wind to them the faster they spun. Even changing the surrounding ground they where mounted on.Coloring the ground to produce different temperatures to aggitate the atmosphere.

likelystory · 14th December 2010, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by nathan

Do you not see the conflict between the two emboldened fragments?

The turbine only spins,the collecting is from another chamber. Does this clear it up a bit.

nathan · 14th December 2010, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by likelystory

The turbine only spins,the collecting is from another chamber. Does this clear it up a bit.

no

nathan · 14th December 2010, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by likelystory

Say if I have the Wind Machines proportionally spaced between one another 20 meters, then I could extract alot of energy and then send it to a major battery bank. Which in affect would be 1000% to 10,000,000,000+%

yeah, right. that's much more feasible than extracting 100% of the energy.

likelystory · 14th December 2010, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by nathan

yeah, right. that's much more feasible than extracting 100% of the energy.

It's an overall ADDED PROFIT over a given distance. It's not a once off contact, my Wind Machines are not to be Wind Walls. Get it?

Soapy Sam · 14th December 2010, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by sol invictus

Wind cannot supply the power needs of the human race. There literally isn't enough power in it.

I wonder if he means "wind" as pronounced "wined "?

Perhaps he has rediscovered clockwork? It's certainly a way of converting biofuel to stored energy.
And it would get us all fitter winding the springs.

Hellbound · 14th December 2010, 06:11 AM

likelystory:

Reality called. It wanted me to tell you that you can't come back, and it left your stuff on the sidewalk.

The Central Scrutinizer · 14th December 2010, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by likelystory

If a Spacecraft could collect ice along the way then the craft could run for a very long time.

They could also keep their beer cold.

Dinwar · 14th December 2010, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Say if I have the Wind Machines proportionally spaced between one another 20 meters, then I could extract alot of energy and then send it to a major battery bank. Which in affect would be 1000% to 10,000,000,000+%

No, you can't. For two reasons. First, there has to be a certain distance between turbines in order to allow for proper air flow. We've worked that out pretty well (also, on a side note, wind power generators are worse than oil power companies when it comes to caring about endangered species--you CANNOT move turbines from where the engineers put them, so if there's an endangered species the species moves instead). Second, wind power needs wind, which almost universally means altitude. Topograpny will not generally allow you to place your turbines that close to one another.

Coloring the ground around the turbine different colors to enduce wind sounds like an interesting idea, but I have serious doubts about whether that would be any more efficient than, say, an old-fasioned solar pannel. Far more energy will be lost to randomness.

Quote:

You cannot extract 100% of the energy from the wind. If you did that, the air would all pile up behind your extraction machine -- it having no remaining momentum.

[I'm not disagreeing with Dinwar, btw, just pointing out the obvious thought experiment]

It's always a good sign when multiple lines of reasoning point to the same conclusion.

Lukraak_Sisser · 14th December 2010, 08:09 AM

Also consider this. You'd need a LOT of materials to build all of your wind turbines and place them and keep them stable and operational. These materials need to be extracted and processed and transported. All of which will cost significant energy.
Even assuming an ideal field of constant wind with no significant obstructions, how long will it take for your turbines to actually GIVE energy when this is cost if factored in? Will they even do so before they reach the end of their operational lifetime under such conditions?
If so, will they still do so once you put them in less than optimal conditions? Both sea air and desert sand are intensly corrosive and will ensure massive maintenance is needed. Wind turbines also have a habit of slicing birds in half, how many before the blade becomes unoperational?
If its still economically viable, then how much space would you need per person using the average consumption in a country? Say mexico city, would even the whole of mexico have enough space to power that? Now how about a western city that uses more and is in a geographically less open/windy area?

excaza · 14th December 2010, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by likelystory

Say if I have the Wind Machines proportionally spaced between one another 20 meters

20 meters apart, all you're going to get is prop wash.

dafydd · 14th December 2010, 09:19 AM

Shouldn't this thread be in the humour section?

excaza · 14th December 2010, 09:25 AM

No, this is apparently where LS is showing his understanding of simple high school physics.

Crossbow · 14th December 2010, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by likelystory

This thread is not designed to boast about an idea I have of revoloutionary Wind Technology,but rather to state in advance of secret things that I knew prior.

Here's a video showing many ''other'' people's ideas of their wind technology... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEPDkMN71XA

My vast improvement of Wind Technology could meet the Earth's demand for power consumption,The Tech would be so useful to fuel Desalination Plants and purifying drinking water,for heating and cooking and cooling systems. (This seems to sit in my gut fairly well)

I could bring out similar Tech to fuel cars, but how many people are directly affected by New Tech?How many people would loose thier Jobs as a direct result of New Tech or vastly improved Tech. Majority of people don't agree with Oil companies because of their slash and burn policies,but how many people have become Oil Company dependent ?

Does New Tech really produce new jobs for the young only and so throw the Older generation onto the scrap heap? So here I am forecasting my wind machine devices. Should I bring them out to counter the Oil Companies ''couldn't give a care attitude''? I'm not really asking for anyone's approval,I felt like letting people know that the Earth doesn't need to be Oil Dependent.

Well, since you could not substantiate your claim about how the Moon Landings were faked, then I doubt that you can substanitate your wind machine claims either.

By the way, for those of you who may not be familiar with him, 'likelystory' recently tried to proove to everyone that the Moon Landings were faked, yet he was unable to proove anything of the sort. You can read it for yourself at:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...27#post6626727

13th December 2010, 01:09 PM	#1
likelystory Suspended Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,357	New VAWT This thread is not designed to boast about an idea I have of revoloutionary Wind Technology,but rather to state in advance of secret things that I knew prior. Here's a video showing many ''other'' people's ideas of their wind technology... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEPDkMN71XA My vast improvement of Wind Technology could meet the Earth's demand for power consumption,The Tech would be so useful to fuel Desalination Plants and purifying drinking water,for heating and cooking and cooling systems. (This seems to sit in my gut fairly well) I could bring out similar Tech to fuel cars, but how many people are directly affected by New Tech?How many people would loose thier Jobs as a direct result of New Tech or vastly improved Tech. Majority of people don't agree with Oil companies because of their slash and burn policies,but how many people have become Oil Company dependent ? Does New Tech really produce new jobs for the young only and so throw the Older generation onto the scrap heap? So here I am forecasting my wind machine devices. Should I bring them out to counter the Oil Companies ''couldn't give a care attitude''? I'm not really asking for anyone's approval,I felt like letting people know that the Earth doesn't need to be Oil Dependent.
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madurobob Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Blue Heaven, NC Posts: 5,548	Ummmm Originally Posted by likelystory This thread is not designed to boast about an idea I have of revoloutionary Wind Technology... Vs. Originally Posted by likelystory My vast improvement of Wind Technology could meet the Earth's demand for power consumption And Originally Posted by likelystory The Tech would be so useful to fuel Desalination Plants and purifying drinking water,for heating and cooking and cooling systems. (This seems to sit in my gut fairly well) And Originally Posted by likelystory I could bring out similar Tech to fuel cars... Not that its wrong, but it does smell a bit like boasting. Originally Posted by likelystory I felt like letting people know that the Earth doesn't need to be Oil Dependent. Oh, hey, thanks!
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casebro Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,797	Boasting I could handle, if backed up by actual performance. But he seems to hinting that he has a new approach that will make a leap forward in efficiency of several quantum steps. I suggest he save the boasting until he can show us the megawatt out put. Which probably won't happen until he comes down.
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likelystory Suspended Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,357	Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer How come the nuts always come here and spend so much time telling us how great and revolutionary their inventions are instead of, oh I don't know, actually spending that time building and selling their inventions? Excuse me Sir,I am the exceptional nut. I have been building it and then I dismantled it and then sawed it up,yet I held on to some parts for future testing. I have the patent paperwork,it's a matter of me improving my drawing skills,then I can have the patent pending.
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Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 3,251	Originally Posted by likelystory Excuse me Sir,I am the exceptional nut. I have been building it and then I dismantled it and then sawed it up,yet I held on to some parts for future testing. I have the patent paperwork,it's a matter of me improving my drawing skills,then I can have the patent pending. Hire a draftsman.
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ben m Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,657	Originally Posted by likelystory My vast improvement of Wind Technology could meet the Earth's demand for power consumption, Have you actually invented a vast improvement of wind technology? Do you have a numerical calculation of how much power your device would generate (in megawatts) under some nominal wind condition? Do you have an engineering estimate of the cost per unit of this device? Has a licensed professional engineer signed off on the above calculations? (And "I mentioned it to my mates down the pub, one of whom is a repairman, and they all said it sounded good" doesn't count.) If not, who is the most-highly-educated technical expert who has checked your power calculation? How about your cost estimate? Does your idea involve high-altitude kites and/or the jet stream? 'Cause I've seen half a dozen glossy vaporware versions of that idea and exactly zero prototypes.
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13th December 2010, 02:54 PM	#10
madurobob Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Blue Heaven, NC Posts: 5,548	Originally Posted by likelystory Excuse me Sir,I am the exceptional nut. I have been building it and then I dismantled it and then sawed it up,yet I held on to some parts for future testing. I have the patent paperwork,it's a matter of me improving my drawing skills,then I can have the patent pending. So, you had a working model. Something that could easily be transformed into marketing collateral for gathering up a few investors. With investor backing you could easily patent, manufacture and distribute this wonderful new technology, saving the earth countless billions in energy research, oil drilling and exploration and cleaning up after the mess burning oil leaves behind, not to mention the countless human lives saved. And, you "sawed it up". Brilliant.
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13th December 2010, 03:26 PM	#11
Dinwar Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 8,960	Quote: Excuse me Sir,I am the exceptional nut. I have been building it and then I dismantled it and then sawed it up,yet I held on to some parts for future testing. I have the patent paperwork,it's a matter of me improving my drawing skills,then I can have the patent pending. Patents don't prove that the tech is viable, only that it's new. Wind power will not, and CAN not, become the dominant form of energy for consumer consuption. Simply put, the wind is too variable to make it work. Even if you could make a wind farm out of 100% efficient turbines (violating the second law of thermodynamics, I might add) it would only ever serve as a supliment to other, more stable, energy forms. The issue is that during peek usage power companies need to be able to increase their output, and VERY quickly, while power generated during usage lulls is generally wasted power. The storage facilities for any excess power are 1) very large and 2) very inefficient. So at best you use wind power when it works, but you don't relie on it. Quote: I could bring out similar Tech to fuel cars, but how many people are directly affected by New Tech?How many people would loose thier Jobs as a direct result of New Tech or vastly improved Tech. Majority of people don't agree with Oil companies because of their slash and burn policies,but how many people have become Oil Company dependent ? It's so nice to know that you're so considerate of us stupid people down below. Which is what this is stating: We are too stupid to handle our own careers, and must rely on the benificence of people like likelystory in order to survive. In the real world, who do you think will snap up this sort of technology? Oilfields are already often ecological disaster zones; wind farms would be sevearl large steps up. Which means that oil companies, which own or lease large tracts of land, will see a viable option and pounce. They're already doing that--there's a reason oil companies love the idea of a hydrogen economy (we don't get H2 from water). As for fueling cars, how many people would this new idea really put out of work? I'm looking for a full economic analysis, something like an EIR/EIS chapter, not vague "It'll hurt people" statements. Quote: I'm not really asking for anyone's approval,I felt like letting people know that the Earth doesn't need to be Oil Dependent. Out of morbid curiosity, why not go to the newspapers? I'm sure they'd LOVE to break a story like this, if it's true. They're looking for ways to get news before the blogs--they'd be eating out of your hand. Instead, you posted it to an internet forum which is historically hostlie to the type of tone you're setting. Odd. Can we see any diagrams of your idea? How about a technical description? A basic description? And I'm talking of the turbine itself, not of what it'll do to the economy or environment or anything. Do you have any facts?
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13th December 2010, 04:14 PM	#12
Sean84 Muse Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 969	Originally Posted by likelystory This thread is not designed to boast about an idea I have of revoloutionary Wind Technology,but rather to state in advance of secret things that I knew prior. snip Secret things ~~highflyertoo~~ likelystory has known prior: God will give him telekinetic super powers. (date passed/changed) Obama will be out of office by last January. (date passed/changed) Obama is the "evil exactor" of biblical prophecy. (TBD) Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda is the evil exactor of biblical prophecy. (2007, apparently abandoned for Obama) The list goes on. The question is: Will likelystory attempt to present anything remotely verifiable to confirm his newest world-changing claim or will he simply be boasting about the level of secrecy his prior knowledge requires of him so that he may perpetuate another glorious wind-up to nothing? Personally, I don't really care. I'll be waiting for the first accusations of "pseudo-skepticism" and popping gluttonous amounts of corn. _{Pay no attention to the man in the box.}

13th December 2010, 04:33 PM	#13
likelystory Suspended Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,357	Originally Posted by Dinwar Patents don't prove that the tech is viable, only that it's new. Wind power will not, and CAN not, become the dominant form of energy for consumer consuption. Simply put, the wind is too variable to make it work. Even if you could make a wind farm out of 100% efficient turbines (violating the second law of thermodynamics, I might add) it would only ever serve as a supliment to other, more stable, energy forms. The issue is that during peek usage power companies need to be able to increase their output, and VERY quickly, while power generated during usage lulls is generally wasted power. The storage facilities for any excess power are 1) very large and 2) very inefficient. So at best you use wind power when it works, but you don't relie on it. It's so nice to know that you're so considerate of us stupid people down below. Which is what this is stating: We are too stupid to handle our own careers, and must rely on the benificence of people like likelystory in order to survive. In the real world, who do you think will snap up this sort of technology? Oilfields are already often ecological disaster zones; wind farms would be sevearl large steps up. Which means that oil companies, which own or lease large tracts of land, will see a viable option and pounce. They're already doing that--there's a reason oil companies love the idea of a hydrogen economy (we don't get H2 from water). As for fueling cars, how many people would this new idea really put out of work? I'm looking for a full economic analysis, something like an EIR/EIS chapter, not vague "It'll hurt people" statements. Out of morbid curiosity, why not go to the newspapers? I'm sure they'd LOVE to break a story like this, if it's true. They're looking for ways to get news before the blogs--they'd be eating out of your hand. Instead, you posted it to an internet forum which is historically hostlie to the type of tone you're setting. Odd. Can we see any diagrams of your idea? How about a technical description? A basic description? And I'm talking of the turbine itself, not of what it'll do to the economy or environment or anything. Do you have any facts? I appreciate the time you took to respond to my Wind Technology... Though your statement about Wind Technology being the ongoing apprentice is surely a misnomer... Though I would like to take some time to muse on your other opinions and questions.
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13th December 2010, 04:42 PM	#14
likelystory Suspended Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,357	Originally Posted by ben m Have you actually invented a vast improvement of wind technology? Do you have a numerical calculation of how much power your device would generate (in megawatts) under some nominal wind condition? Do you have an engineering estimate of the cost per unit of this device? Has a licensed professional engineer signed off on the above calculations? (And "I mentioned it to my mates down the pub, one of whom is a repairman, and they all said it sounded good" doesn't count.) If not, who is the most-highly-educated technical expert who has checked your power calculation? How about your cost estimate? Does your idea involve high-altitude kites and/or the jet stream? 'Cause I've seen half a dozen glossy vaporware versions of that idea and exactly zero prototypes. Yes I have invented a new and vast improvement of WT. No it's not high altitude kites,though I wanted to hit the Jet Stream,though dismissed that over price idea, but 100 ft height towers would produce massive amounts. The cost factor i something I can't put into figures,yet I believe in comparision to the huge towers they have these days it would be maybe 1/5 to 1/10 of the cost with an out put of x10 to x20... It's been rather mind blowing for me these last few months. I did ponder a similar idea(s) over a year ago,though didn't have the mental energy to make a start. I've made a start now.
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13th December 2010, 06:20 PM	#15
The Central Scrutinizer Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The White Zone Posts: 42,278	Originally Posted by likelystory Excuse me Sir,I am the exceptional nut. I have been building it and then I dismantled it and then sawed it up,yet I held on to some parts for future testing. I have the patent paperwork,it's a matter of me improving my drawing skills,then I can have the patent pending. Wow, you are not going to believe this, but that's the exact same thing I did! I invented a car that gets 425 miles per gallon, then I chopped it up and melted down the metal parts. I did save the rear view mirror, brake pedal and glove box for future testing. Now all I need to do is improve my drawing skills and patent it!
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13th December 2010, 06:24 PM	#16
sol invictus Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Nova Roma Posts: 8,419	Wind cannot supply the power needs of the human race. There literally isn't enough power in it.

13th December 2010, 06:37 PM	#17
Sherman Bay Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,079	So, likelystory, why not take your technology to the moon?

13th December 2010, 06:59 PM	#18
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Talk is cheap... To the OP, try actually doing something with your supposedly paradigm-shifting research, like getting it published in a science/engineering journal, as opposed to bragging about it on Internet forums. What is this, open season for physics nuts? Sheesh!
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13th December 2010, 07:27 PM	#19
ElMondoHummus 0.25 short of being half-witted Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere north of the South Pole Posts: 11,945	He's obviously just here to instigate reactions, not to have rational discussions. Which is why he gets the chain-yank award for this post: Originally Posted by likelystory Excuse me Sir,I am the exceptional nut. Ain't that the truth... just not for the reasons he posts. This guy's realized he can rile people just by posting ridiculous statements. Look at his Apollo Hoaxing over in CT for examples of this. He's here to prod and troll, not talk seriously. He's best ignored.
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13th December 2010, 07:31 PM	#20
ben m Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,657	Originally Posted by likelystory The cost factor i something I can't put into figures,yet I believe in comparision to the huge towers they have these days it would be maybe 1/5 to 1/10 of the cost with an out put of x10 to x20... It's been rather mind blowing for me these last few months. The "huge towers they have these days" are able to extract 70% to 80% of the theoretical maximum power based on the wind energy they intercept. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betz%27_law) Therefore, even at 100%-of-Betz efficiency, the only way to build a turbine with "20x" the power of a modern large (100-150m diameter) turbine, is to build a device that sweeps a quarter of a square kilometer of surface area. Does your device intercept a 500m x500m area of the wind? No? Then you've miscalculated its power output.
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13th December 2010, 08:12 PM	#21
Dinwar Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 8,960	Quote: I appreciate the time you took to respond to my Wind Technology... Though your statement about Wind Technology being the ongoing apprentice is surely a misnomer... Though I would like to take some time to muse on your other opinions and questions. When did I say anything about apprentices? Quote: Does your device intercept a 500m x500m area of the wind? No? Then you've miscalculated its power output. Wait! Wait! I've figured it out! He's using the energy to--wait for it--split water into hydrogen and oxygen! Then he'll BURN the hydrogen and oxygen, making even MORE energy! He and Bishadi should get together. They'd revolutionize the world.
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13th December 2010, 08:44 PM	#22
bokonon Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,444	Because the wind is high, it blows my mind.
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13th December 2010, 09:29 PM	#23
likelystory Suspended Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,357	Originally Posted by sol invictus Wind cannot supply the power needs of the human race. There literally isn't enough power in it. But doesn't the wind have a long range. For exmple, if I had wind machines hugging the coast ,wouldn't that wind at least travel 5 miles inland scourering the ''Roof Tops'' potenially mounted with Wind Machines (VAWT's Vertical Axis Wind Turbines)? That's the thing I like about the wind,it's basically continious or long lasting energy. Say if the wind isn't blowing in the region I'm in for a day, I can asure you that 20 miles away the wind is blowing there. Please remember I'm talking mainly about coastal regions especially adjoining mini- sea cliffs to large headlands. I think many people under estimate the amount of wind there actual is availible. I'm no scientist,but from experiene along the mediterranean coast like districts the wind is semi constant to full on.
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13th December 2010, 09:53 PM	#24
likelystory Suspended Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,357	Originally Posted by Sherman Bay So, likelystory, why not take your technology to the moon? Yes I think I could make electricty in Space (becauce when something is intially propelled in space there's no resistance to stop it's motion), to then heat water to a gas to propell the Spacecrafts. If a Spacecraft could collect ice along the way then the craft could run for a very long time.
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13th December 2010, 11:53 PM	#25
nathan Zygoticly Phased Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arkham City Posts: 3,169	Originally Posted by Dinwar Even if you could make a wind farm out of 100% efficient turbines You cannot extract 100% of the energy from the wind. If you did that, the air would all pile up behind your extraction machine -- it having no remaining momentum. [I'm not disagreeing with Dinwar, btw, just pointing out the obvious thought experiment]
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13th December 2010, 11:56 PM	#26
nathan Zygoticly Phased Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arkham City Posts: 3,169	Originally Posted by likelystory Yes I think I could make electricty in Space (becauce when something is intially propelled in space there's no resistance to stop it's motion), to then heat water to a gas to propell the Spacecrafts. If a Spacecraft could collect ice along the way then the craft could run for a very long time. Do you not see the conflict between the two emboldened fragments?
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14th December 2010, 12:01 AM	#27
likelystory Suspended Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,357	Originally Posted by nathan You cannot extract 100% of the energy from the wind. If you did that, the air would all pile up behind your extraction machine -- it having no remaining momentum. [I'm not disagreeing with Dinwar, btw, just pointing out the obvious thought experiment] You are correct,yet I wasn't claiming that. Say if I have the Wind Machines proportionally spaced between one another 20 meters, then I could extract alot of energy and then send it to a major battery bank. Which in affect would be 1000% to 10,000,000,000+% My other approach was to have clusters of the wind machines (different heights and scale sizes) which would/could draw the wind to them the faster they spun. Even changing the surrounding ground they where mounted on.Coloring the ground to produce different temperatures to aggitate the atmosphere.
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14th December 2010, 12:12 AM	#28
likelystory Suspended Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,357	Originally Posted by nathan Do you not see the conflict between the two emboldened fragments? The turbine only spins,the collecting is from another chamber. Does this clear it up a bit.
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14th December 2010, 12:51 AM	#29
nathan Zygoticly Phased Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arkham City Posts: 3,169	Originally Posted by likelystory The turbine only spins,the collecting is from another chamber. Does this clear it up a bit. no
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14th December 2010, 12:52 AM	#30
nathan Zygoticly Phased Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arkham City Posts: 3,169	Originally Posted by likelystory Say if I have the Wind Machines proportionally spaced between one another 20 meters, then I could extract alot of energy and then send it to a major battery bank. Which in affect would be 1000% to 10,000,000,000+% yeah, right. that's much more feasible than extracting 100% of the energy.
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14th December 2010, 01:05 AM	#31
likelystory Suspended Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,357	Originally Posted by nathan yeah, right. that's much more feasible than extracting 100% of the energy. It's an overall ADDED PROFIT over a given distance. It's not a once off contact, my Wind Machines are not to be Wind Walls. Get it?
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14th December 2010, 05:33 AM	#32
Soapy Sam NLH Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 25,885	Originally Posted by sol invictus Wind cannot supply the power needs of the human race. There literally isn't enough power in it. I wonder if he means "wind" as pronounced "wined "? Perhaps he has rediscovered clockwork? It's certainly a way of converting biofuel to stored energy. And it would get us all fitter winding the springs.
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14th December 2010, 06:11 AM	#33
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14th December 2010, 07:14 AM	#34
The Central Scrutinizer Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The White Zone Posts: 42,278	Originally Posted by likelystory If a Spacecraft could collect ice along the way then the craft could run for a very long time. They could also keep their beer cold.
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14th December 2010, 07:39 AM	#35
Dinwar Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 8,960	Quote: Say if I have the Wind Machines proportionally spaced between one another 20 meters, then I could extract alot of energy and then send it to a major battery bank. Which in affect would be 1000% to 10,000,000,000+% No, you can't. For two reasons. First, there has to be a certain distance between turbines in order to allow for proper air flow. We've worked that out pretty well (also, on a side note, wind power generators are worse than oil power companies when it comes to caring about endangered species--you CANNOT move turbines from where the engineers put them, so if there's an endangered species the species moves instead). Second, wind power needs wind, which almost universally means altitude. Topograpny will not generally allow you to place your turbines that close to one another. Coloring the ground around the turbine different colors to enduce wind sounds like an interesting idea, but I have serious doubts about whether that would be any more efficient than, say, an old-fasioned solar pannel. Far more energy will be lost to randomness. Quote: You cannot extract 100% of the energy from the wind. If you did that, the air would all pile up behind your extraction machine -- it having no remaining momentum. [I'm not disagreeing with Dinwar, btw, just pointing out the obvious thought experiment] It's always a good sign when multiple lines of reasoning point to the same conclusion.
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