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Old 2nd January 2011, 09:56 PM   #81
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I think RemieV too readily dismisses the idea of casino staff helping. I assume JE was performing in Vegas for a run of at least a week. If word gets out all over town that he'll give that $20 (or whatever) to whomever can give him juicy info, I think every concierge in town would give him info on people who bought tickets. Yes, Vegas is all about discretion, but it's also all about money. A concierge would not feel bad. He wasn't telling the cops. He wasn't telling a wife about a cheating husband. He'd just be helping the act. In fact, he'd be part of the act and he'd get paid for it.

This would be a fairly simple way that JE could receive info from many different sources, so it wouldn't matter where they bought the ticket or where they were staying or whether they used a credit card---as long as JE were in a buying mood and a concierge were in a selling mood (and when are they not?). This way, JE has names, seat numbers, hometowns, overheard stories. Heck, a concierge could easily take a cell phone photo of "the mark" and e-mail it to the proper address.

I'm willing to believe that this is a possible scenario that would require very little organization. I get the sense that word travels fast in Vegas and no one would want to spoil a good thing by blabbing. And you'd only need a few willing participants to make it look like JE had some really solid hits.

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Old 2nd January 2011, 10:00 PM   #82
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Yeah, but one person blabs about a scheme like that and Edwards' career takes a huge hit.

Probably wouldn't end it outright, but set it back.

Besides, how many people would have to keep their mouths shut? Far more than seems reasonable. The 'Mark Felt' ratio springs to mind.

I think most working 'psychics' surround themselves with people who are talented enough to handle their business affairs, but completely and totally credulous towards the psychic claims.

I think if he really is employing others to gather intelligence on 'marks' for him, the number of people doing it must be pretty small and they've got to be paid well.

Offering a double sawbuck for personal info openly would be begging to be exposed.
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Old 2nd January 2011, 10:05 PM   #83
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Originally Posted by wardenclyffe View Post
I think RemieV too readily dismisses the idea of casino staff helping. I assume JE was performing in Vegas for a run of at least a week. If word gets out all over town that he'll give that $20 (or whatever) to whomever can give him juicy info, I think every concierge in town would give him info on people who bought tickets. Yes, Vegas is all about discretion, but it's also all about money. A concierge would not feel bad. He wasn't telling the cops. He wasn't telling a wife about a cheating husband. He'd just be helping the act. In fact, he'd be part of the act and he'd get paid for it.

This would be a fairly simple way that JE could receive info from many different sources, so it wouldn't matter where they bought the ticket or where they were staying or whether they used a credit card---as long as JE were in a buying mood and a concierge were in a selling mood (and when are they not?). This way, JE has names, seat numbers, hometowns, overheard stories. Heck, a concierge could easily take a cell phone photo of "the mark" and e-mail it to the proper address.

I'm willing to believe that this is a possible scenario that would require very little organization. I get the sense that word travels fast in Vegas and no one would want to spoil a good thing by blabbing. And you'd only need a few willing participants to make it look like JE had some really solid hits.

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Don’t you think those casino staff that helped a famous con artist out for a few dollars would have then exposed the cheating of the famous con artist to the media for substantially more dollars?

Isn’t it easier, simpler, safer, more informative, more assured and less expensive just to get the information from Liam? Why do you think Liam wasn't surprised or impressed (assuming things have been described accurately).
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Would anyone notice if the same person had gone to multiple JE shows and been 'identified' multiple times, playing the shill all along?

I guess what I'm saying is, does he have 'groupies' that follow him around from town to town, or is every audience mostly locals that would have no way of knowing if the same guy was at a show the last week?
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Old 2nd January 2011, 10:13 PM   #85
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I'm just suggesting it as a possible scenario. There are people at casinos (I'm told) who can procure all sorts of illegal stuff for the right price. This would be easy, safe money.

I believe that RemieV has done her research and knows what she's doing as a P.I.. I'm trying to come up with a scenario that fits what she believes she has found.

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I would actually suggest following him around to see if any of the same people who get 'hit' repeat at a different show. It would have the direct result of giving him more money, which I find distasteful as all hell, but has this been tried before?

You'd think after a couple times, JE or his people would notice the same person in the audience. The person doing this would need multiple wigs and mustaches.
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Old 2nd January 2011, 10:18 PM   #87
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Originally Posted by ynot View Post
Don’t you think those casino staff that helped a famous con artist out for a few dollars would have then exposed the cheating of the famous con artist to the media for substantially more dollars?

Isn’t it easier, simpler, safer, more informative, more assured and less expensive just to get the information from Liam? Why do you think Liam wasn't surprised or impressed (assuming things have been described accurately).
I said he didn't SAY anything. That doesn't mean he wasn't surprised. As to his behaviour, he mostly just seemed excited that he'd been called upon. The rest took a backseat, I think. But, keep in mind here, normal people get all tense when called upon by a celebrity type that they respect. The people he calls upon are trying very hard not to screw up and sound like an idiot in front of everyone.

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Would anyone notice if the same person had gone to multiple JE shows and been 'identified' multiple times, playing the shill all along?

I guess what I'm saying is, does he have 'groupies' that follow him around from town to town, or is every audience mostly locals that would have no way of knowing if the same guy was at a show the last week?
The people I was sitting at the table with the first time I attended had been to several JE shows. Many people who stood and asked questions during the Q&A segment stated that they'd been to his shows before.
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Originally Posted by wardenclyffe View Post
I'm just suggesting it as a possible scenario. There are people at casinos (I'm told) who can procure all sorts of illegal stuff for the right price. This would be easy, safe money.

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Obviously such people wouldn’t sell their own illegal activities to the media. But given “everything is available in Vegas for a buck” why wouldn’t they sell information that an internationally known “psychic” is cheating to the media for more money than Edward would have paid them? They would have extra money to earn and nothing to lose.
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One thing that could be going on here is that John knows this Liam person. What would John do if he recognized someone he know? May I suggest he would do exactly what he did do. Maybe Liam has forgotten he ever met John.

The only thing I do not understand is why this person who spoke to you also was the one who was chosen for this freaky reading.
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This is getting muddied anyway. If the answer is that he's a plant, that doesn't help in any way whatsoever. If that's the conclusion, great, but there's no way to catch that. I'm looking to catch Edward in the act, and while the possibility of Liam being a plant exists, I suppose, that theory is distinctly unhelpful. So if you want to stick with it, that's cool and all, but I'm kinda hoping other people will jump in with other ideas that are actually potentially verifiable.
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Originally Posted by RemieV View Post
The people I was sitting at the table with the first time I attended had been to several JE shows. Many people who stood and asked questions during the Q&A segment stated that they'd been to his shows before.
Aside from the question of why they would follow such a man with their wallets open time and time again, it stands to reason that they would notice a plant in my hypothetical scenario, then.

I've heard of some of these guys making audience members sign a non-disclosure agreement prior to being seated. Anything like that happen, just out of curiosity?

ETA: Just floating this one. Did you post here or anywhere else (FB) that you were going to be attending his show before you went?
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Old 2nd January 2011, 10:25 PM   #92
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I said he didn't SAY anything. That doesn't mean he wasn't surprised. As to his behaviour, he mostly just seemed excited that he'd been called upon. The rest took a backseat, I think. But, keep in mind here, normal people get all tense when called upon by a celebrity type that they respect. The people he calls upon are trying very hard not to screw up and sound like an idiot in front of everyone.
So do you think his actions and reactions were what you would have expected?
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Obviously such people wouldn’t sell their own illegal activities to the media. But given “everything is available in Vegas for a buck” why wouldn’t they sell information that an internationally known “psychic” is cheating to the media for more money than Edward would have paid them? They would have extra money to earn and nothing to lose.
Because the network you're talking about would have to be huge. If he's paying someone off to give him information, the more likely candidate would be the box office worker. Then you're only paying one person, and the information is precisely what you need. All you'd have to do at that point is plug the names into Facebook, and voila. You have everything you need.

The reason I find this unlikely still stands.
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This is getting muddied anyway. If the answer is that he's a plant, that doesn't help in any way whatsoever. If that's the conclusion, great, but there's no way to catch that. I'm looking to catch Edward in the act, and while the possibility of Liam being a plant exists, I suppose, that theory is distinctly unhelpful. So if you want to stick with it, that's cool and all, but I'm kinda hoping other people will jump in with other ideas that are actually potentially verifiable.
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Aside from the question of why they would follow such a man with their wallets open time and time again, it stands to reason that they would notice a plant in my hypothetical scenario, then.

I've heard of some of these guys making audience members sign a non-disclosure agreement prior to being seated. Anything like that happen, just out of curiosity?

ETA: Just floating this one. Did you post here or anywhere else (FB) that you were going to be attending his show before you went?
No. I didn't post it anywhere. I could count the number of people who knew on one hand, and they were all (at the time) JREF staff members.

I think the non-disclosure agreements are for the ones being recorded for television. There was no such agreement. I had also heard that security personnel check to make sure you don't have recording devices on you. They did not.
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that are actually potentially verifiable.
No. You'd have to get Liam and Edward under oath and examine them. Otherwise, look into Liam's background - where did he go to school, where has he practised his show-business act? You'd need to find how Edward knows him or about him. But eventually it would do you no good. "Believers" wouldn't care if you established the basis on which Edward got the information. You can tell them clear indisputable facts and they'll regurgitate whatever garbage they've chosen to believe.
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Don’t you already know all the ways he could possibly cheat? Aren’t you looking for a method of exposing the cheating rather than the cheating method? I guess knowing exactly which cheating method is being use would be helpful but how will you ever know that without a smoking gun?
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OK, so if 'Liam' was a plant, and his chatting you up/getting called on were somehow connected, that would mean that John Edwards knows who you are, would have somehow known you were going to be there, and sent 'Liam' to chat you up to some end.

I'd also bet a John Edwards ticket that wasn't what happened.

I will say this, though - I find it somewhat unlikely that you're going to be able to see the 'man behind the curtain' by attending his shows and talking to people at them. Seems like he very tightly controls that environment, and your ability to perceive things is going to be limited to just what you can see, hear, and remember. He's had years to refine his 'craft' and he's still raking in money hand over fist, whereas others have fallen off or been exposed.

I hate to be a Debbie Downer, but I don't think anything short of getting a job with John Edwards' staff will get you the information you're after - and I have a feeling that his interview process is probably more stringent than the screening for a TS clearance.
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... While waiting to get into the show, I only spoke to one person. This man, who was around fifty five years old (I'm guessing) was named, let's say, Liam. ...

I could see him from where I was sitting if I turned around. I should add - I was attending the show under a false name, and I was costumed in such a way that I was not recognizable as me. I had a fake backstory that I responded with any time anyone asked me what brought me to the show...

He pointed toward the table behind me, where Liam was sitting, and said that he was getting the name 'Joshua'. I am again using a fake name of the same level of popularity. And I don't mean that he said he was getting a 'j' or the name 'Josh' or the feeling of a male presence. I mean that John Edward pointed at the table where Liam was sitting and said he was getting the name Joshua.

So Liam stood up. ...
This suggests to me that you were set up.
If JE was aware that you were visiting famous psychic's shows in disguise how hard would it be for him to train some of his staff to be looking for you (i.e. in disguise)?
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This is getting muddied anyway. If the answer is that he's a plant, that doesn't help in any way whatsoever. If that's the conclusion, great, but there's no way to catch that. I'm looking to catch Edward in the act, and while the possibility of Liam being a plant exists, I suppose, that theory is distinctly unhelpful. So if you want to stick with it, that's cool and all, but I'm kinda hoping other people will jump in with other ideas that are actually potentially verifiable.
Are you looking for a theory or a "gotcha" Edward! If you are looking for the latter, good luck with that. If you are looking for a potential theory, here is mine.

I believe you said earlier on the thread that "Fred" or whatever his name was has told you subsequent to the event that he did not talk to anybody about anything much except you. But apparently, standing next to you in a queue, a complete stranger, he had a somewhat extensive conversation, sbout an event where "expectations" of a paranormal event were about to occur.

Having been on plenty of holidays to plenty of places, and having had casual conversations with people I cannot possibly recall, how could you possibly know that he has not given information to an Edward plant, and that it was not a hot reading? And then even forgotten the discussion?

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He pointed toward the table behind me, where Liam was sitting, and said that he was getting the name 'Joshua'. I am again using a fake name of the same level of popularity. And I don't mean that he said he was getting a 'j' or the name 'Josh' or the feeling of a male presence. I mean that John Edward pointed at the table where Liam was sitting and said he was getting the name Joshua.

So Liam stood up.
Sounds to me like Edwards just had a very lucky hit. Notice that he didn't actually point at the man and say something like "Your name is Joshua but you call yourself Liam". No, he threw out the name "Joshua" whilst pointing at Liam's table.
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One of the ushers brought him a microphone so that he could communicate with Edward. Edward again said that he had gotten the name 'Joshua', and then said that there was something weird about it, because he had the sensation that the name was LIAM's.
Again, Edwards is careful not to be totally specific - he says he has a "sensation". That gives him an out if he's wrong. And did he actually say "Liam" (or whatever the guy's name was?)
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Then Edward paused for a moment. Liam had not said anything at this time.
But I'll bet his face and body language was saying plenty.
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Edward said that, though Liam's name was Joshua, he had not introduced himself that way to the rest of his table.
I'll bet my hat that he was saying this very slowly, reading the guy's face and giving himself time to change tack if he was getting it wrong.
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Edward then asked Joshua to hand the microphone over to someone else at the table, and then asked that person what Joshua had introduced himself as. The person said, "Liam."
My analysis - an initially lucky guess (or two), the rest was skillful cold reading. If Edwards was this accurate more often, we wouldn't be rubbishing him all the time here.
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When purchasing the ticket “Joshua Liam gave his full legal name, and they often ask for that.
His name was put on the seating arrangement.
JE and his peps looked at the arrangement.
My tell is this, “Liam” self indentifies as “Liam, the name he gave you in a causal conversation , but fake psychic used the official name,
Why would the “spirit” calling out from the grave use a name that the guy didn’t go by?
Because the name on the seating chart was “J” not “L”.
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Besides the point is Edward didn’t watch everyone sit down and the question is how did he know the people at Liam's table didn't know each other, not you.
How do you know Edward didn't watch the people being seated? He could easily have been watching from backstage.

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Yeah, but one person blabs about a scheme like that and Edwards' career takes a huge hit.
Not really. Any number of psychics have been exposed and it's done them no harm whatsoever.

Besides, the media generally aren't interested in exposing psychics. Look at the number of TV programmes and national newspapers and magazines and their viewing figures/circulation figures when compared to things like Montel Williams and Oprah Winfrey who unquestioningly promote easily demonstrably terrible psychics like Sylvia Brown. No, the truth is that the media doesn't care whether it's true or not. The media knows it isn't true. But they also know that it pays far, far more to perpetuate the myth that it's true than it does to prove that it's not.

True believers, of course, will make any excuse for cheating, and the psychic in question being exposed will not be diminished in their eyes for it. It's not logical, but it's true.

Risking paying one or two extra members of staff to pass along information isn't a huge risk for someone in Edwards' position.

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You have everything you need.

The reason I find this unlikely still stands.
Next time you go, then, make yourself a fake Facebook page and make sure you tell the box office person your "name".
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Even if a psychic comps seats to an event to people he/she knows, aren't those people usually either friends, associates or people the psychic is trying to impress, else while bother to comp them seats?

In the case of Sylvia Browne, I don't know about her closest family members but she seemed very careful to maintain her act around her closest staff and ministers. If she comped seats and then used her prior knowledge to impress the audience with her psychic abilities, that would be a huge deal to the people who'd been comped. This seems likely to be the case with JE, too, who seems vastly more competent at this game than SB is.

It's obviously a trick; it just seems a bit of a stretch for dumb luck.

It also seems to me that if Liam had been a plant, he would have spent much more time chatting up people in line in order to make it impressive to quite a few more people, instead of just talking with RemieV.

My suggestion would be to attempt to contact a talented magician and ask. They might not be willing to give away such information on a forum, but they might be willing to give such information to you personally.

If you do, and they give you an answer, could you let us know - I wouldn't ask you to give the trick away, but could you let us know if they actually came up with a workable explanation?
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Even if a psychic comps seats to an event to people he/she knows, aren't those people usually either friends, associates or people the psychic is trying to impress, else while bother to comp them seats?

In the case of Sylvia Browne, I don't know about her closest family members but she seemed very careful to maintain her act around her closest staff and ministers. If she comped seats and then used her prior knowledge to impress the audience with her psychic abilities, that would be a huge deal to the people who'd been comped. This seems likely to be the case with JE, too, who seems vastly more competent at this game than SB is.

It's obviously a trick; it just seems a bit of a stretch for dumb luck.

It also seems to me that if Liam had been a plant, he would have spent much more time chatting up people in line in order to make it impressive to quite a few more people, instead of just talking with RemieV.

My suggestion would be to attempt to contact a talented magician and ask. They might not be willing to give away such information on a forum, but they might be willing to give such information to you personally.

If you do, and they give you an answer, could you let us know - I wouldn't ask you to give the trick away, but could you let us know if they actually came up with a workable explanation?
To toot my own horn a bit, this has already been done. I don't pretend to have provided all the possible explanations, but the best mentalists will tell you that the ideas provided here and via pm to RemieV contain plausible explanations.
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Remie, this thread caught my eye and although I am familiar with some warm/hot techniques I am no where near your sophistication to offer help you wouldn't have thought of. But blind luck happens. Clearly if Edwards had a small army of informants he would have been exposed a long time ago but a chance run in by Liam with a personal assistant or business manager who keeps their ears open has to happen occasionally. I know you have ferreted out who has signed non-disclosures and I'd be curious about that.

It would have been easier if you were able to camp out at his TV studio back in his TV days and watched there. The daily repetition would have made your job easier. I hope you get another crack at his show and share your observations.
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So "The Biggest Douche in the World" is adept at cold-reading and likely out and out cheating. Big deal. If he had the paranormals skills he claims, he wouldn't doing shows for credules in Vegas, he be at the casino tables, cleaning them out.
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Could there have been microphones / cameras being used to watch the ticketholders? Have you asked Randi for his opinion?
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It is possible that Liam spoke to someone on Edward's staff - but he wasn't staying at the hotel in which the show took place, and claims that the only person he spoke to at any length whatsoever at the show was me. (And I am not working for John Edward.)
Perhaps the only person he remembers speaking to at length. Therein may lie a clue.
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I go by my middle name and introduce myself to people as such so I am having a hard time seeing what is so overly impressive about this trick. Also the trick seems easy to figure out. I am in no way an expert on tricks or mentalism and have only started taking my skepticism seriously recently so forgive me if I seem to forward. First problem, I think JE's point was not as accurate as you remember. You stated in post #31 that Liam was seated farthest away from the stage, you also stated in another post that there were 6 people at his table. I'll assume that 6 people were at each table in the general vicinity where Liam was sitting. If JE points up to Liams table from the stage it would seem as if he was pointing to the table above,below,to the right, and to the left. That is pontentially 24 people that could have stood up and responded to the name Joshua. It seems that after Liam stood up that cold and hot reading techniques could have taken over. If you want to exploit the mechanism that JE used I would suggest that you just stand up if it looks like he is pointing in your general vicinity.
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Yup, I totally manipulated you into entering this thread with that title. BWAHAHA.
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And, hah, you know, I'd never considered that of all the people there the person he might've been trying to impress was ME.
Well, you are rather fetching.
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OK. But Liam did confirm it by standing up. I wasn't aware that the lowest tier was in the back; usually the lowest part of an audience is in the front, must have been a weird set-up with Edwards at the top of some cake-like stage.
She's using "tier" as in price, not physical location. The lower price/tier tickets are in the back.
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I don't think Remie is trying to prove psi; she's investigating and has hit what appears to be a brick wall.

I will do a version of what others have done and list options:

1. JE has the paranormal powers he claims. I will discount this for the moment.

2. You (Remie) did not observe as accurately as you think. I am speaking not of what was said, but of the physical indications, especially where JE pointed. Was it indisputably to Liam's table? But I will discount this option for the moment, too.

3. Liam was somehow made into a stooge. I'll discount this for the moment, too.

4. Liam was not a stooge, but an in-place mechanism used by JE and staff uncovered the information. This is not unheard of, though difficult in these circumstances if Liam's memory is as trustworthy as yours. It is this part that I seriously doubt. Plus, you have overlooked something obvious: Liam perhaps did not speak to anyone in line besides you, but he did speak to people at his table, enough so that they knew he called himself Liam and not Joshua. Did they share stories? Show pictures of children out of their wallets? Leave their wallets in coat pockets draped carelessly over the backs of chairs? What is the likelihood that JE had a plant at some or all of the tables and that the plants could communicate even during the show if they discovered something actionable?

5. Liam was not a stooge and JE had no plant at his table. Then we are left with something unplanned somehow dropping the info into JE's lap. The fact that such a hit is rare or unheard of lends credence to this. This hit is far less remarkable than Harry Kellar's reading of a traveling actor in the orient which I have described more than once on this forum. If this is the case, we will likely never know how it happened.

It should be obvious that I lean to number 5 or number 6. As improbably as they may seem, they are still more probable than number 1.
There is no #6. What are you hiding?
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I find this INCREDIBLY unlikely, simply because Vegas operates on discretion. People would quickly stop staying at the Flamingo if they knew that the staff was, in essence, spying upon them. This would be the equivalent of the staff of a strip club taking down license plate numbers from their parking lot and handing them over to a third party. Very very very bad for business.
You think some busboy that Edwards slips a $20 to cares anything about discretion?
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Regarding the rest, it's unclear, but I think you're missing the point. By my #5, I don't mean that anything was planned. There need not have been any mechanism in place to gather the information. It could simply have been that once-in-a-month-of-Sundays synchronicities that dropped the info into JE's lap and he capitalized.
Absent "Liam" working for Edwards, another likely scenario is this:

Liam goes into the hotel bar the night before. Talks to the guy on the next stool.

Guy: "Hey bud, my name's Joshua, what's yours?"
Liam: "Liam....well, actually my given name is also Joshua, but I go by my middle name - Liam".
The conversation continues....
Guy: "There's a cool pub over at the Flamingo. I'm going there tomorrow night, there's a Springsteen tribute band. You and your wife should come along".
Liam: "I can't, I'm going to see the John Edward show tomorrow night. Maybe another time"

Guess who "Guy" just happens to work for? It was a stroke of luck that he sat next to Liam. That's why it didn't happen again, or at least doesn't happen regulary.
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Liam doesn't have to be a plant, but let's say Edward has staffers who mingle among the people waiting in line to get in, overhearing conversations and making note of useful information like names, hometowns, occupations, etc. Such staffers (those "photographers", perhaps?) could also move among the seated crowd before the show gleaning that same kinds of information from people introducing themselves to others at the tables (not a bad idea to seat 6 strangers at a table who are certain talk about themselves--people who already know each other have no need to state their own names, jobs, hometowns, or other fundamental personal details). Now Edward is fed all this information in case it comes in handy during the performance. Most importantly, he is given a few names and their seating locations. Eventually, he points in a general direction and states a name. A man stands up and right away Edward knows that this is not that man's name, and yet this man stood and no one else did. The rest is easy.
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Another thing - Liam was in town with his wife. His wife did not attend the show. I suppose it is possible that Liam's wife could have contacted Edward's staff directly in an attempt to give Liam a gift of closure with his father (who was dead, and was the person that Liam hoped Edward would contact).

I would think, though, that if his wife went to those great lengths (and great lengths were required since neither of them even knew about the show until the day before it took place), she would have wanted to be in attendance as well.
I was once at a party hosted by my wife's aunt and attended mainly by family members. As part of the entertainment, she hired a "psychic" to come in and give everyone readings.

Most of the people were astonished as how close she was to guessing their interests, activities, education, etc. However, my wife and her sister were not impressed. She hemmed and hawed and blurted a few generalities, but was unable to come up with anything interesting about either of them.

From this, I was quickly able to determine how she did it. Before the readings, she mingled with the party guests for quite a while. Most people discounted this because she had information that they did not provide directly. However, the fact that she knew a lot more about my wife's cousins than she did about her or her sister nailed it for me. Her aunts and uncles loved to gush about all their childrens' accomplishments, while my wife's mother was always tight-lipped about her immediate family.

Pretty obvious the information was volunteered by people close to them, with just a little prompting from the "psychic".
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Absent "Liam" working for Edwards, another likely scenario is this:

Liam goes into the hotel bar the night before. Talks to the guy on the next stool.

Guy: "Hey bud, my name's Joshua, what's yours?"
Liam: "Liam....well, actually my given name is also Joshua, but I go by my middle name - Liam".
The conversation continues....
Guy: "There's a cool pub over at the Flamingo. I'm going there tomorrow night, there's a Springsteen tribute band. You and your wife should come along".
Liam: "I can't, I'm going to see the John Edward show tomorrow night. Maybe another time"

Guess who "Guy" just happens to work for? It was a stroke of luck that he sat next to Liam. That's why it didn't happen again, or at least doesn't happen regulary.
That's simply one example of my #5.
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Okay, everyone, I'm keeping up with the thread a little more via PM than I am here because the shouts of "Cold reading, cold reading!" are driving me a little bit batty.

But, here is my best suggestion for how to catch him, and if any of you are ever in Las Vegas when John Edward is performing, let me know and we can get together and take a run at it.

We're going to need to have ten people in the audience who are paying attention to who gets a reading during the show. Then we're just gonna have to walk up to those people as they exit, corral them, and ask them what's up.

Of course, now we can have an ethical debate about it. These are people who will more than likely be crying who believe they have just received verification that their loved one is still around. So. What say you? At the very least, we should attempt to get names, and then go online and see if we can divine identical information through non-paranormal means.
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