NuVet Labs dog and cat Tablets is it a scam?

samanthakayee · 2nd January 2011, 09:30 PM

I wonder if anyone has heard of or is familiar with this online company, NuVet Labs. They sell canine vitamins, but do not fully disclose their contents. I ask because I discovered many breeders that sell their puppies include the necessity to give your pup the vitamins under the health contract. The puppy owner then must order online and give a specific number (I assume that this identifies the breeder...and they then get a kickback). The vitamins are quite expensive. I have checked through the net and have only found one or two negative/suspicious listings...The rest gush over the product! I wonder if anyone knows of NuVet Labs and whether it is indeed a scam. Thanks!

Gawdzilla · 2nd January 2011, 10:12 PM

Sounds like a scam to me. Kickbacks to the breeders? How many is "many", anyway?

ConspicuousCarl · 2nd January 2011, 10:24 PM

Instead of looking at this as "only" some suspicious ingredients, I would take the unnecessary ingredients as red flags. Shark cartilage? I think that's probably total BS, so these people are trying to sell stuff by including popular nutty supplements.

Also, anyone who uses the phrase "boosts the immune system" is engaging in hokey sales lingo. That phrase does not have a clear medical meaning.

Here's another quote:
"Blue Green Algae which is a very rich chlorophyll source
and has been shown to enhance the health of the entire body"

Really, the entire body is improved? From CHLOROPHYLL? Try again.

With that stuff in mind, there is no reason to assume that these hucksters have any special knowledge that makes their pet vitamins a better product than the many competing products. Some of those things are already included in pet foods because actual evidence shows them to be necessary for healthy animals. I think these NuVet people are just tossing in some standard useless "alternative" stuff to try to be different.

As with humans, it looks like a few things are necessary, and others may or may not be needed as determined by the animal's health. Wikipedia has a list of nutrients known to affect cat health, along with the symptoms related to too much or too little of each:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_foo..._and_functions

Note that shark cartilage and chlorophyll are not listed.

Skeptical Greg · 4th January 2011, 09:54 AM

Quote:

I ask because I discovered many breeders that sell their puppies include the necessity to give your pup the vitamins under the health contract.

I wonder how many breeders would back down and scratch that from the contract if the buyer threatened to walk ?

CORed · 4th January 2011, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by ConspicuousCarl

Really, the entire body is improved? From CHLOROPHYLL? Try again.

Give 'em enough chlorophyll and they'll start photosynthesizing, and you won't have to feed 'em.

marplots · 4th January 2011, 11:34 AM

I'd like to see "all natural" come into the pet market in the way it has made inroads into the human market. Make me pledge to drag back some roadkill once a week and let the puppy nibble at some other canine's poo. This is the dedication I want from a new pet owner. Oh, and forget baths. Take them to a creek or something and let them get naturally clean.

After all, if it's all natural, it has to be good, right?

There's an argument for you. You don't think your dog should get chemically processed vitamin stuffs in some supplement when their body really needs the essential nutrients that only nature in the raw can provide. Use their own logic against them.

The Central Scrutinizer · 4th January 2011, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg

I wonder how many breeders would back down and scratch that from the contract if the buyer threatened to walk ?

And even if you sign the contract, how on earth is it enforced?

Scam.

Ranb · 4th January 2011, 01:57 PM

If the contract includes a warranty on the pup's health, then the buyer may have to prove that they are doing an adequate job of caring for it by buying their product. Reminds me of the warranties sold with tires. The warranty is no good unless you keep on paying the tire shop for tire rotations and other scheduled maintenance. Scam.

Ranb

Emet · 4th January 2011, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by samanthakayee

I wonder if anyone has heard of or is familiar with this online company, NuVet Labs. They sell canine vitamins, but do not fully disclose their contents. I ask because I discovered many breeders that sell their puppies include the necessity to give your pup the vitamins under the health contract. The puppy owner then must order online and give a specific number (I assume that this identifies the breeder...and they then get a kickback). The vitamins are quite expensive. I have checked through the net and have only found one or two negative/suspicious listings...The rest gush over the product! I wonder if anyone knows of NuVet Labs and whether it is indeed a scam. Thanks!

[vet mode] Reputable breeders, in my experience, do not require you to purchase food or supplements. Ever.[/vet mode]

ETA: In the US, all commercial pet foods are nutritionally complete.

samanthakayee · 4th January 2011, 06:34 PM

I ended up getting a puppy from a different breeder that did not ask me to buy the pills. Thank you for all the info

Emet · 4th January 2011, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by samanthakayee

I ended up getting a puppy from a different breeder that did not ask me to buy the pills. Thank you for all the info

Sweet.

What did you get? How about starting a thread in the community sub-forum with poopie puppy pix of your new family member?

bookitty · 5th January 2011, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Emet

Sweet.

What did you get? How about starting a thread in the community sub-forum with poopie puppy pix of your new family member?

Bumping this thread for this excellent suggestion. We are, after all skeptics who need proof of this new puppy phenomenon.

samanthakayee · 6th January 2011, 07:54 AM

Giggles can do she is a year old so not a tiny puppy hehe

Emet · 6th January 2011, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by samanthakayee

Giggles can do she is a year old so not a tiny puppy hehe

No matter. I hope you will start a thread and upload some pix!

LOVEmyPets · 1st October 2012, 04:00 PM

I am familiar with the product and can tell you from experience that it really works. I thought my dog was going to die. He had severe kidney problems -dark urine, wouldn't eat etc. Within a couple of days I could see an improvement afterhe started taking NuVet Plus. Within a week, he was running around like a
puppy .... and still is. He's a 10 year old lab mix and I've never seen him
look and feel better, especially in the last year or so. As far as I'm concerned it its helping, he'll take it for the rest of his life.

I was sorry to hear about the so-called NuVet scam. Sounds like sour grapes
to me. Whatever the NuVet product is, it works!

bellalisa · 1st October 2012, 07:05 PM

Sounds like you sell them.

kerikiwi · 1st October 2012, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by marplots

Oh, and forget baths. Take them to a creek or something and let them get naturally clean.

You make that sound like a bad thing.
None of my 4 dogs has ever had a bath, and none of them get into water unless by a serious mistake on their part.

Stray Cat · 2nd October 2012, 02:40 AM

Originally Posted by LOVEmyPets

I was sorry to hear about the so-called NuVet scam. Sounds like sour grapes
to me. Whatever the NuVet product is, it works!

Then you obviously don't understand what the actual issue is.

I don't think anyone is saying it doesn't work.
If someone sells vitamin supplements with added ground unicorn horn for it's higher consciousness inducing properties, it's still a scam regardless of how well the vitamins work.

However, vitamin supplements are only necessary and will only have any affect if the animal is already suffering from a vitamin deficiency... Which would of course usually mean, the animal wasn't being fed correctly.

Naddig74 · 2nd October 2012, 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by LOVEmyPets

I am familiar with the product and can tell you from experience that it really works. I thought my dog was going to die. He had severe kidney problems -dark urine, wouldn't eat etc. Within a couple of days I could see an improvement afterhe started taking NuVet Plus. Within a week, he was running around like a
puppy .... and still is. He's a 10 year old lab mix and I've never seen him
look and feel better, especially in the last year or so. As far as I'm concerned it its helping, he'll take it for the rest of his life.

I was sorry to hear about the so-called NuVet scam. Sounds like sour grapes
to me. Whatever the NuVet product is, it works!

You are employed by the makers of this stuff to search for negative references to their product and refute them with this anecdotal irrelevance. I think valium will probably help with the sleepless nights.

bellalisa · 2nd October 2012, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by Naddig74

You are employed by the makers of this stuff to search for negative references to their product and refute them with this anecdotal irrelevance. I think valium will probably help with the sleepless nights.

Yes, I thought the same thing.

If this really turned old dogs into puppies it would be front page news all over the world. Like on facebook yesterday someone posted a fruit juice that "kills cancer" - if it did kill cancer I'm sure we would ALL know about it.

Weak Kitten · 2nd October 2012, 06:56 AM

I met with quite a few breeders before getting our dog (a 7 year old Shiba Inu). The strictest I ever heard from any of them was advice on what kind of food the dog was used to eating. My vet has never said anything about extra vitamins for the dog and in fact seems very devoted to not giving your dog anything you don't have to.

I just hope that this is a harmless scam. I'd hate to think that these people were prescribing overdoses of vitamins that can be harmful to the dog's kidneys.

richardm · 2nd October 2012, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by bellalisa

Yes, I thought the same thing.

If this really turned old dogs into puppies it would be front page news all over the world. Like on facebook yesterday someone posted a fruit juice that "kills cancer" - if it did kill cancer I'm sure we would ALL know about it.

Yeah. Thing is it's really easy for shills to just start wittering about "Big Pharma" sweeping in and shutting things down as a reason why "simple, natural" things don't catch on and change the world. And for some reason this argument seems to sit comfortably with an awful lot of people.

Actually they don't even need to be shills; there are a lot of people who are true believers in various products but who don't seem to have any financial motive. I agree that LOVEmyPets does sound a bit scripted though. It even looks like it's been cut-and-pasted from somewhere else.

bellalisa · 2nd October 2012, 07:22 AM

yeah looks that way!

CynicalSkeptic · 2nd October 2012, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by Naddig74

You are employed by the makers of this stuff to search for negative references to their product and refute them with this anecdotal irrelevance.

And it only took him/her a year and a half to find it. Impressive.

catsmate1 · 2nd October 2012, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by Naddig74

You are employed by the makers of this stuff to search for negative references to their product and refute them with this anecdotal irrelevance. I think valium will probably help with the sleepless nights.

This seems likely.This thread is now the first hit when searching for 'NuVet scam'. Interestingly a little research (web and email) indicated that:
1. amongst the fancy NuVet is almost universally considered a scam
2. they kick-back to dog sellers who include the "vitamin" requirement in sales contracts
3. recently criticism of NuVet on web fora has attracted a number of suspiciously similarly worded defenses
4. vet opinion is that they're worthless when a dog receives a proper diet
5. breeders including the NuVet requirement are often considered of questionable reputation

CynicalSkeptic · 2nd October 2012, 09:46 AM

amongst the fancy?

Naddig74 · 2nd October 2012, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by bellalisa

Yes, I thought the same thing.

If this really turned old dogs into puppies it would be front page news all over the world. Like on facebook yesterday someone posted a fruit juice that "kills cancer" - if it did kill cancer I'm sure we would ALL know about it.

Yes. And it would have saved my dad from having a second large chunk chopped out of his face today.

I was vaguely impressed that LOVEmypets was committed enough to her deception (don't know why I've assumed she's female) to actually post a couple of replies in other threads. Her failure to reappear in this one speaks volumes.

catsmate1 · 3rd October 2012, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by CynicalSkeptic

amongst the fancy?

Sorry, a term I picked up from some USAian friends who show dogs, aare involved in the AKC and general canine related activities.

Originally Posted by Naddig74

I was vaguely impressed that LOVEmypets was committed enough to her deception (don't know why I've assumed she's female) to actually post a couple of replies in other threads. Her failure to reappear in this one speaks volumes.

S/he seems to have pasted the same claims at a number of other sites recently, all in response to criticism of NuVet.

Skeptic Ginger · 3rd October 2012, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by bellalisa

Sounds like you sell them.

Ya think?

Sounds like searching Google for NuVet also turns up forums to respond to after the first page of seller hits.

Skeptic Ginger · 3rd October 2012, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by Weak Kitten

I met with quite a few breeders before getting our dog (a 7 year old Shiba Inu). The strictest I ever heard from any of them was advice on what kind of food the dog was used to eating. ....

The vet I saw when I got my puppies recommended Royal Canin. And when the melamine scandal broke, turns out I'd been feeding them melamine in their food.

Now there's continuing problems with pet food out of China, not just with melamine but also more toxic diethylene glycol. Chicken jerky treats from China producers has been implicated in dog deaths.

FDA warning

FDA report reveals 3 worst offenders in chicken jerky poisoning cases

Quote:

Waggin’ Train (Nestle Purina)
Canyon Creek Ranch (Nestle Purina)
Milo’s Kitchen Home-style Dog Treats (Del Monte)

I try to do my own research now. The frustrating part is avoiding anything from China, seems they have the pet food market almost sewed up.

Skeptic Ginger · 3rd October 2012, 08:42 AM

I wonder if the FDA would be willing to analyze any of the supplements?

CynicalSkeptic · 3rd October 2012, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

The frustrating part is avoiding anything from China, seems they have the pet food market almost sewed up.

http://www.midamericapetfood.com/

Quote:

We are one of the few family owned and operated pet food manufacturing plants in the United States.

The problem is finding a retailer. The price is actually not bad (at the places I've found it).

Another one that is reasonably priced and equally difficult to find.
http://www.propactt.com/

Quote:

Today, Midwestern Pet Foods, Inc. owns and operates three state-of-the-art, high capacity dry pet food production and packing facilities, one of which is located at company headquarters in Evansville, Indiana, one in Chickasha, Oklahoma and Wells Pet Food Company, a division of Midwestern Pet Foods, in Monmouth, Illinois USA.

bellalisa · 3rd October 2012, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by CynicalSkeptic

amongst the fancy?

Toy poodles!

2nd January 2011, 09:30 PM	#1
samanthakayee Scholar Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Alaska Posts: 82	NuVet Labs dog and cat Tablets is it a scam? I wonder if anyone has heard of or is familiar with this online company, NuVet Labs. They sell canine vitamins, but do not fully disclose their contents. I ask because I discovered many breeders that sell their puppies include the necessity to give your pup the vitamins under the health contract. The puppy owner then must order online and give a specific number (I assume that this identifies the breeder...and they then get a kickback). The vitamins are quite expensive. I have checked through the net and have only found one or two negative/suspicious listings...The rest gush over the product! I wonder if anyone knows of NuVet Labs and whether it is indeed a scam. Thanks!

2nd January 2011, 10:12 PM	#2
Gawdzilla 121.92-meter mutant fire-breathing lizard-thingy Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northern St. Louis County, Missouri. Posts: 13,358	Sounds like a scam to me. Kickbacks to the breeders? How many is "many", anyway?
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2nd January 2011, 10:24 PM	#3
ConspicuousCarl Scholar Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 117	Instead of looking at this as "only" some suspicious ingredients, I would take the unnecessary ingredients as red flags. Shark cartilage? I think that's probably total BS, so these people are trying to sell stuff by including popular nutty supplements. Also, anyone who uses the phrase "boosts the immune system" is engaging in hokey sales lingo. That phrase does not have a clear medical meaning. Here's another quote: "Blue Green Algae which is a very rich chlorophyll source and has been shown to enhance the health of the entire body" Really, the entire body is improved? From CHLOROPHYLL? Try again. With that stuff in mind, there is no reason to assume that these hucksters have any special knowledge that makes their pet vitamins a better product than the many competing products. Some of those things are already included in pet foods because actual evidence shows them to be necessary for healthy animals. I think these NuVet people are just tossing in some standard useless "alternative" stuff to try to be different. As with humans, it looks like a few things are necessary, and others may or may not be needed as determined by the animal's health. Wikipedia has a list of nutrients known to affect cat health, along with the symptoms related to too much or too little of each: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_foo..._and_functions Note that shark cartilage and chlorophyll are not listed.
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4th January 2011, 09:54 AM	#4
Skeptical Greg Agave Wine Connoisseur Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Just past 'Resume Speed' Posts: 12,873	Quote: I ask because I discovered many breeders that sell their puppies include the necessity to give your pup the vitamins under the health contract. I wonder how many breeders would back down and scratch that from the contract if the buyer threatened to walk ?
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4th January 2011, 11:29 AM	#5
CORed Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,281	Originally Posted by ConspicuousCarl Really, the entire body is improved? From CHLOROPHYLL? Try again. Give 'em enough chlorophyll and they'll start photosynthesizing, and you won't have to feed 'em.
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4th January 2011, 11:34 AM	#6
marplots Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5,366	I'd like to see "all natural" come into the pet market in the way it has made inroads into the human market. Make me pledge to drag back some roadkill once a week and let the puppy nibble at some other canine's poo. This is the dedication I want from a new pet owner. Oh, and forget baths. Take them to a creek or something and let them get naturally clean. After all, if it's all natural, it has to be good, right? There's an argument for you. You don't think your dog should get chemically processed vitamin stuffs in some supplement when their body really needs the essential nutrients that only nature in the raw can provide. Use their own logic against them.
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4th January 2011, 11:55 AM	#7
The Central Scrutinizer Penultimate Amazing Pither Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The White Zone Posts: 42,264	Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg I wonder how many breeders would back down and scratch that from the contract if the buyer threatened to walk ? And even if you sign the contract, how on earth is it enforced? Scam.
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4th January 2011, 01:57 PM	#8
Ranb Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: WA USA Posts: 4,094	If the contract includes a warranty on the pup's health, then the buyer may have to prove that they are doing an adequate job of caring for it by buying their product. Reminds me of the warranties sold with tires. The warranty is no good unless you keep on paying the tire shop for tire rotations and other scheduled maintenance. Scam. Ranb

4th January 2011, 02:03 PM	#9
Emet Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,395	Originally Posted by samanthakayee I wonder if anyone has heard of or is familiar with this online company, NuVet Labs. They sell canine vitamins, but do not fully disclose their contents. I ask because I discovered many breeders that sell their puppies include the necessity to give your pup the vitamins under the health contract. The puppy owner then must order online and give a specific number (I assume that this identifies the breeder...and they then get a kickback). The vitamins are quite expensive. I have checked through the net and have only found one or two negative/suspicious listings...The rest gush over the product! I wonder if anyone knows of NuVet Labs and whether it is indeed a scam. Thanks! [vet mode] Reputable breeders, in my experience, do not require you to purchase food or supplements. Ever.[/vet mode] ETA: In the US, all commercial pet foods are nutritionally complete.
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4th January 2011, 06:34 PM	#10
samanthakayee Scholar Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Alaska Posts: 82	I ended up getting a puppy from a different breeder that did not ask me to buy the pills. Thank you for all the info

4th January 2011, 06:37 PM	#11
Emet Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,395	Originally Posted by samanthakayee I ended up getting a puppy from a different breeder that did not ask me to buy the pills. Thank you for all the info Sweet. What did you get? How about starting a thread in the community sub-forum with poopie puppy pix of your new family member?
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5th January 2011, 12:32 PM	#12
bookitty Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,532	Originally Posted by Emet Sweet. What did you get? How about starting a thread in the community sub-forum with poopie puppy pix of your new family member? Bumping this thread for this excellent suggestion. We are, after all skeptics who need proof of this new puppy phenomenon.
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6th January 2011, 07:54 AM	#13
samanthakayee Scholar Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Alaska Posts: 82	Giggles can do she is a year old so not a tiny puppy hehe

6th January 2011, 08:56 AM	#14
Emet Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,395	Originally Posted by samanthakayee Giggles can do she is a year old so not a tiny puppy hehe No matter. I hope you will start a thread and upload some pix!
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1st October 2012, 04:00 PM	#15
LOVEmyPets New Blood Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 3	Nuvet worked for Pepper my 10 yr old Lab I am familiar with the product and can tell you from experience that it really works. I thought my dog was going to die. He had severe kidney problems -dark urine, wouldn't eat etc. Within a couple of days I could see an improvement afterhe started taking NuVet Plus. Within a week, he was running around like a puppy .... and still is. He's a 10 year old lab mix and I've never seen him look and feel better, especially in the last year or so. As far as I'm concerned it its helping, he'll take it for the rest of his life. I was sorry to hear about the so-called NuVet scam. Sounds like sour grapes to me. Whatever the NuVet product is, it works!
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1st October 2012, 07:05 PM	#16
bellalisa Student Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 27	Sounds like you sell them.
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1st October 2012, 10:28 PM	#17
kerikiwi Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bay of Islands NZ Posts: 5,843	Originally Posted by marplots Oh, and forget baths. Take them to a creek or something and let them get naturally clean. You make that sound like a bad thing. None of my 4 dogs has ever had a bath, and none of them get into water unless by a serious mistake on their part.

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Stray Cat Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Land That Time Forgot Posts: 6,508	Originally Posted by LOVEmyPets I was sorry to hear about the so-called NuVet scam. Sounds like sour grapes to me. Whatever the NuVet product is, it works! Then you obviously don't understand what the actual issue is. I don't think anyone is saying it doesn't work. If someone sells vitamin supplements with added ground unicorn horn for it's higher consciousness inducing properties, it's still a scam regardless of how well the vitamins work. However, vitamin supplements are only necessary and will only have any affect if the animal is already suffering from a vitamin deficiency... Which would of course usually mean, the animal wasn't being fed correctly.
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2nd October 2012, 02:55 AM	#19
Naddig74 Has a Rucksack Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Heading For the Hills Posts: 1,639	Originally Posted by LOVEmyPets I am familiar with the product and can tell you from experience that it really works. I thought my dog was going to die. He had severe kidney problems -dark urine, wouldn't eat etc. Within a couple of days I could see an improvement afterhe started taking NuVet Plus. Within a week, he was running around like a puppy .... and still is. He's a 10 year old lab mix and I've never seen him look and feel better, especially in the last year or so. As far as I'm concerned it its helping, he'll take it for the rest of his life. I was sorry to hear about the so-called NuVet scam. Sounds like sour grapes to me. Whatever the NuVet product is, it works! You are employed by the makers of this stuff to search for negative references to their product and refute them with this anecdotal irrelevance. I think valium will probably help with the sleepless nights.
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2nd October 2012, 05:45 AM	#20
bellalisa Student Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 27	Originally Posted by Naddig74 You are employed by the makers of this stuff to search for negative references to their product and refute them with this anecdotal irrelevance. I think valium will probably help with the sleepless nights. Yes, I thought the same thing. If this really turned old dogs into puppies it would be front page news all over the world. Like on facebook yesterday someone posted a fruit juice that "kills cancer" - if it did kill cancer I'm sure we would ALL know about it.
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2nd October 2012, 06:56 AM	#21
Weak Kitten Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lost and lonely...will you be my friend? Posts: 1,718	I met with quite a few breeders before getting our dog (a 7 year old Shiba Inu). The strictest I ever heard from any of them was advice on what kind of food the dog was used to eating. My vet has never said anything about extra vitamins for the dog and in fact seems very devoted to not giving your dog anything you don't have to. I just hope that this is a harmless scam. I'd hate to think that these people were prescribing overdoses of vitamins that can be harmful to the dog's kidneys.
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2nd October 2012, 06:56 AM	#22
richardm Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,270	Originally Posted by bellalisa Yes, I thought the same thing. If this really turned old dogs into puppies it would be front page news all over the world. Like on facebook yesterday someone posted a fruit juice that "kills cancer" - if it did kill cancer I'm sure we would ALL know about it. Yeah. Thing is it's really easy for shills to just start wittering about "Big Pharma" sweeping in and shutting things down as a reason why "simple, natural" things don't catch on and change the world. And for some reason this argument seems to sit comfortably with an awful lot of people. Actually they don't even need to be shills; there are a lot of people who are true believers in various products but who don't seem to have any financial motive. I agree that LOVEmyPets does sound a bit scripted though. It even looks like it's been cut-and-pasted from somewhere else.
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2nd October 2012, 07:22 AM	#23
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2nd October 2012, 08:44 AM	#24
CynicalSkeptic Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: state of denial Posts: 1,360	Originally Posted by Naddig74 You are employed by the makers of this stuff to search for negative references to their product and refute them with this anecdotal irrelevance. And it only took him/her a year and a half to find it. Impressive.

2nd October 2012, 08:49 AM	#25
catsmate1 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Dublin (the one in Ireland) Posts: 7,096	Originally Posted by Naddig74 You are employed by the makers of this stuff to search for negative references to their product and refute them with this anecdotal irrelevance. I think valium will probably help with the sleepless nights. This seems likely.This thread is now the first hit when searching for 'NuVet scam'. Interestingly a little research (web and email) indicated that: 1. amongst the fancy NuVet is almost universally considered a scam 2. they kick-back to dog sellers who include the "vitamin" requirement in sales contracts 3. recently criticism of NuVet on web fora has attracted a number of suspiciously similarly worded defenses 4. vet opinion is that they're worthless when a dog receives a proper diet 5. breeders including the NuVet requirement are often considered of questionable reputation
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2nd October 2012, 09:46 AM	#26
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2nd October 2012, 12:51 PM	#27
Naddig74 Has a Rucksack Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Heading For the Hills Posts: 1,639	Originally Posted by bellalisa Yes, I thought the same thing. If this really turned old dogs into puppies it would be front page news all over the world. Like on facebook yesterday someone posted a fruit juice that "kills cancer" - if it did kill cancer I'm sure we would ALL know about it. Yes. And it would have saved my dad from having a second large chunk chopped out of his face today. I was vaguely impressed that LOVEmypets was committed enough to her deception (don't know why I've assumed she's female) to actually post a couple of replies in other threads. Her failure to reappear in this one speaks volumes.
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3rd October 2012, 07:54 AM	#28
catsmate1 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Dublin (the one in Ireland) Posts: 7,096	Originally Posted by CynicalSkeptic amongst the fancy? Sorry, a term I picked up from some USAian friends who show dogs, aare involved in the AKC and general canine related activities. Originally Posted by Naddig74 I was vaguely impressed that LOVEmypets was committed enough to her deception (don't know why I've assumed she's female) to actually post a couple of replies in other threads. Her failure to reappear in this one speaks volumes. S/he seems to have pasted the same claims at a number of other sites recently, all in response to criticism of NuVet.
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3rd October 2012, 08:10 AM	#29
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shifting through paradigms Posts: 40,509	Originally Posted by bellalisa Sounds like you sell them. Ya think? Sounds like searching Google for NuVet also turns up forums to respond to after the first page of seller hits.
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3rd October 2012, 08:40 AM	#30
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shifting through paradigms Posts: 40,509	Originally Posted by Weak Kitten I met with quite a few breeders before getting our dog (a 7 year old Shiba Inu). The strictest I ever heard from any of them was advice on what kind of food the dog was used to eating. .... The vet I saw when I got my puppies recommended Royal Canin. And when the melamine scandal broke, turns out I'd been feeding them melamine in their food. Now there's continuing problems with pet food out of China, not just with melamine but also more toxic diethylene glycol. Chicken jerky treats from China producers has been implicated in dog deaths. FDA warning FDA report reveals 3 worst offenders in chicken jerky poisoning cases Quote: Waggin’ Train (Nestle Purina) Canyon Creek Ranch (Nestle Purina) Milo’s Kitchen Home-style Dog Treats (Del Monte) I try to do my own research now. The frustrating part is avoiding anything from China, seems they have the pet food market almost sewed up.
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3rd October 2012, 08:42 AM	#31
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shifting through paradigms Posts: 40,509	I wonder if the FDA would be willing to analyze any of the supplements?
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3rd October 2012, 08:58 AM	#32
CynicalSkeptic Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: state of denial Posts: 1,360	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger The frustrating part is avoiding anything from China, seems they have the pet food market almost sewed up. http://www.midamericapetfood.com/ Quote: We are one of the few family owned and operated pet food manufacturing plants in the United States. The problem is finding a retailer. The price is actually not bad (at the places I've found it). Another one that is reasonably priced and equally difficult to find. http://www.propactt.com/ Quote: Today, Midwestern Pet Foods, Inc. owns and operates three state-of-the-art, high capacity dry pet food production and packing facilities, one of which is located at company headquarters in Evansville, Indiana, one in Chickasha, Oklahoma and Wells Pet Food Company, a division of Midwestern Pet Foods, in Monmouth, Illinois USA.
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3rd October 2012, 01:27 PM	#33
bellalisa Student Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 27	Originally Posted by CynicalSkeptic amongst the fancy? Toy poodles!
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