[Merged] New Atheists; same as the Fundies? - Page 11

tsig · 29th January 2011, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

nope, through the trees the forest eludes you.

This sentence eludes meaning.

Gawdzilla · 29th January 2011, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by tsig

This sentence eludes meaning.

Don't bother. He has to post something every time someone replies. He's given up on content and is just posting babble. If you want to have some fun, respond in kind repeatedly until he collapses.

Foster Zygote · 29th January 2011, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

another question; why do you assume I'm a Christian? It might be a wee bit more complicated than that.

You appear to have difficulty with reading comprehension. Nowhere in that post did I state, or even imply, that I thought you to be a Christian. If you disagree, please point out where you believe that I did.

mikeyx · 29th January 2011, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by tsig

This sentence eludes meaning.

yours, yes, it does

mikeyx · 29th January 2011, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

You appear to have difficulty with reading comprehension. Nowhere in that post did I state, or even imply, that I thought you to be a Christian. If you disagree, please point out where you believe that I did.

Then you are if fact denying the atheists are incapable of being fundies? Please....

dafydd · 29th January 2011, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

yours, yes, it does

That eludes meaning too. Where did you learn grammar?

joobz · 29th January 2011, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

Then you are if fact denying the atheists are incapable of being fundies? Please....

I think I know what you meant to type. But in any event, it is a non sequitur.

John Jones · 29th January 2011, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

Then you are if fact denying the atheists are incapable of being fundies? Please....

Huh?

John Jones · 29th January 2011, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

yours, yes, it does

154?

Foster Zygote · 29th January 2011, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

Then you are if fact denying the atheists are incapable of being fundies? Please....

What are you on about? Seriously, you aren't making the least bit of sense. Your reply has nothing to do with what I wrote.

Gawdzilla · 29th January 2011, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by John Jones

154?

Sniff, sniff.

Lord Emsworth · 29th January 2011, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

Then you are if fact denying the atheists are incapable of being fundies? Please....

"Oh tangled is the web [of negations] we weave ..."

Mister Agenda · 30th January 2011, 09:52 AM

Definition of fundamentalist:

1. A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.
2.
a. often Fundamentalism An organized, militant Evangelical movement originating in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th century in opposition to Protestant Liberalism and secularism, insisting on the inerrancy of Scripture.
b. Adherence to the theology of this movement.

You can't call an atheist a fundamentalist unless you change the definition. Of course, some people have no problem using their own definitions for things so long as it allows them so get the effect they want; in this case, attaching a word that many atheists find to represent the worst of religion to atheists themselves.

noreligion · 30th January 2011, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Mister Agenda

Definition of fundamentalist:

1. A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.
2.
a. often Fundamentalism An organized, militant Evangelical movement originating in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th century in opposition to Protestant Liberalism and secularism, insisting on the inerrancy of Scripture.
b. Adherence to the theology of this movement.

You can't call an atheist a fundamentalist unless you change the definition. Of course, some people have no problem using their own definitions for things so long as it allows them so get the effect they want; in this case, attaching a word that many atheists find to represent the worst of religion to atheists themselves.

I'm an atheist myself (username gives it away). You gotta admit that adding the word new onto atheist kinda smells like the same type of ploy that was used by taking the original bible and adding a new testament.

mikeyx · 30th January 2011, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Mister Agenda

Definition of fundamentalist:

1. A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.
2.
a. often Fundamentalism An organized, militant Evangelical movement originating in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th century in opposition to Protestant Liberalism and secularism, insisting on the inerrancy of Scripture.
b. Adherence to the theology of this movement.

You can't call an atheist a fundamentalist unless you change the definition. Of course, some people have no problem using their own definitions for things so long as it allows them so get the effect they want; in this case, attaching a word that many atheists find to represent the worst of religion to atheists themselves.

The definition is biased, because fundy atheists display often the mechanics, it's like saying a black person cant be racist, which is crap, anyone can be racist, anyone, yes even atheists can be fundy. And given the evangelical nature of some atheists, kinda comes across with a religious fervor of its own. Atheism a religion? Maybe.

tsig · 30th January 2011, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by noreligion

I'm an atheist myself (username gives it away). You gotta admit that adding the word new onto atheist kinda smells like the same type of ploy that was used by taking the original bible and adding a new testament.

'Gnu atheists' is the correct term. Get with the program or we'll have to cancel your non-membership in our non-club. If that happens I'm afraid your life will continue precisely the same as if we didn't.

tsig · 30th January 2011, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

The definition is biased, because fundy atheists display often the mechanics, it's like saying a black person cant be racist, which is crap, anyone can be racist, anyone, yes even atheists can be fundy. And given the evangelical nature of some atheists, kinda comes across with a religious fervor of its own. Atheism a religion? Maybe.

Could you post a link to these evangelical atheists?

Foster Zygote · 30th January 2011, 01:49 PM

Mikeyx, if I strip my query down to a single question, might I get a response?

Are parents who protest the unconstitutional imposition of religious speech in their children's schools "Obnoxious ******* forcing their opinions where they may not be wanted"?

Gawdzilla · 30th January 2011, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by tsig

'Gnu atheists' is the correct term. Get with the program or we'll have to cancel your non-membership in our non-club. If that happens I'm afraid your life will continue precisely the same as if we didn't.

And then he'll have to turn in the stamps he didn't collect.

mikeyx · 30th January 2011, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by tsig

Could you post a link to these evangelical atheists?

some of you should look in the mirror.

joobz · 30th January 2011, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

some of you should look in the mirror.

So, no links or examples?

Making unsupported assertions is not a very effective argument strategy.

Sledge · 31st January 2011, 04:06 AM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

nope, through the trees the forest eludes you.

The forest endures while wise man climb ladder.

Dancing David · 31st January 2011, 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

nope, through the trees the forest eludes you.

Through the lack of evidence of the behavior of atheists and the undefined behavior of how many of those atheists do what, your argument is a will of the wisp, a fog, a mirage and just you making stuff up.

A forest there is not (in terms of any evidence there is a blank page) , though there may be a bridge over the stream...

Dancing David · 31st January 2011, 04:26 AM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

Then you are if fact denying the atheists are incapable of being fundies? Please....

Not at all, the issue is who, what and where. The set of people who outright deny any possibility of god vs. those who deny any evidence of the existence of god are not the same set.

That you have yet to establish what any of the terms means is eluding you.

Agatha · 31st January 2011, 04:44 AM

Mikeyx, what are the fundamentals of atheism, that you contend these "New Atheists" insist upon and impose on others?

eerok · 31st January 2011, 06:07 AM

I think mikeyx is a fundie agnostic.

joobz · 31st January 2011, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by eerok

I think mikeyx is a fundie agnostic.

No.
I think he's a New Agnostic.

Gawdzilla · 31st January 2011, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by joobz

No.
I think he's a New Agnostic.

Which he will admit is the same as the Fundies.

tsig · 31st January 2011, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

some of you should look in the mirror.

Preach it, brother preach it! Can we get an amen on that?

Mister Agenda · 31st January 2011, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

The definition is biased, because fundy atheists display often the mechanics, it's like saying a black person cant be racist, which is crap, anyone can be racist, anyone, yes even atheists can be fundy. And given the evangelical nature of some atheists, kinda comes across with a religious fervor of its own. Atheism a religion? Maybe.

It's a definition in accord with the definition of fundamentalism given by the religious fundamentalists themselves. It pre-dates by decades the new definition you are trying to impose.

There are many words you could use in place of fundamentalist without redefintion: strident, activist, uppity, even evangelical. But you want to use fundamentalist AND you want us to agree that it is the right word to use. Why?

And don't get me started on how much you have to mutilate the definition of 'religion' to make atheism one.

mikeyx · 31st January 2011, 09:12 AM

I think this should jump to Abandon All Hope as the deriders of of my obvious logic have derailed the thread. It's the only thing you should do at this point.

Foster Zygote · 31st January 2011, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

I think this should jump to Abandon All Hope as the deriders of of my obvious logic have derailed the thread. It's the only thing you should do at this point.

There is no need to send this thread to AAH. There are still pertinent questions regarding your own statements that you have yet to address. Or is that why you would like to see this thread buried?

mikeyx · 31st January 2011, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

There is no need to send this thread to AAH. There are still pertinent questions regarding your own statements that you have yet to address. Or is that why you would like to see this thread buried?

Nah, you guys have done a complete derail, stick a fork.

tsig · 31st January 2011, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

[quoting wikipedia's article on The New Atheism] In his 2008 book I Don't Believe in Atheists (retitled When Atheism Becomes Religion: America's New Fundamentalists for the paperback),[24] journalist and author Chris Hedges argues that there is nothing inherently moral about being either a believer or a nonbeliever. He goes a step further by accusing atheists in general and New Atheists in particular of being as intolerant, chauvinistic, bigoted, anti-intellectual, and self-righteous as their archrivals, religious fundamentalists—in other words, as being secular versions of the religious right

My point is pretty much spelled out in the quote. There is among a good number of the posters here, a seemingly "New Atheist" mindset. The point often missed seemingly is, well quoted. You don't believe, that's your right. But in your dislike of the fundies, be they Christian, Muslim, faith of your choice, and I am not in any way advocating their side, in the quest to rescue the religious from their own pathetic ignorance, many atheists come off sounding oddly familiar. They kinda sound like the very thing they claim to oppose.

In a more moderate, you have a right to be a believer, nonbeliever, or agnostic, bit it's still a personal thing and any group, imposing it's mindset really is any better than any other, overbearing Atheists included right alongside the Falwells, the Robertsons, and the Bin Ladens.

Thoughts?[/quote]

Originally Posted by mikeyx

Nah, you guys have done a complete derail, stick a fork.

First you ask for them now they're a derail.

Never ask for thoughts unless you're willing to do some yourself.

Foster Zygote · 31st January 2011, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

Nah, you guys have done a complete derail, stick a fork.

How is it a derail to ask you why someone who is asking the government to uphold the constitutional establishment of separations of church and state is an example of a "new atheist" behaving like an "obnoxious ******* forcing his opinions where they may not be wanted"?

You've offered nothing but evasion and claims that you were just trolling the forum, what we might call the "I only pooped my pants so that you would have to smell it" defense.

The only thing you have managed to demonstrate with this thread is your own intellectual dishonesty and your inability to construct a cogent argument.

Sledge · 31st January 2011, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by joobz

No.
I think he's a New Agnostic.

I hate those guys! Trying to rescue atheists from their own pathetic ignorance but coming off sounding oddly familiar. They kinda sound like the very thing they claim to oppose.

tsig · 31st January 2011, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Sledge

I hate those guys! Trying to rescue atheists from their own pathetic ignorance but coming off sounding oddly familiar. They kinda sound like the very thing they claim to oppose.

Whatever that is.

joobz · 31st January 2011, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

Nah, you guys have done a complete derail, stick a fork.

It's impossible to derail a thread in which the OP poster refuses to remain on topic.

Prove me wrong, and answer Foster Zygote's questions.

mikeyx · 31st January 2011, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by joobz

It's impossible to derail a thread in which the OP poster refuses to remain on topic.

Prove me wrong, and answer Foster Zygote's questions.

nope derail.

Sledge · 31st January 2011, 05:53 PM

What about the chainsaws, mikeyx? Does the wise man see them?

29th January 2011, 03:07 PM	#402
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29th January 2011, 03:34 PM	#403
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge Posts: 14,398	Originally Posted by mikeyx another question; why do you assume I'm a Christian? It might be a wee bit more complicated than that. You appear to have difficulty with reading comprehension. Nowhere in that post did I state, or even imply, that I thought you to be a Christian. If you disagree, please point out where you believe that I did.
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29th January 2011, 05:20 PM	#404
mikeyx Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,570	Originally Posted by tsig This sentence eludes meaning. yours, yes, it does
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29th January 2011, 05:22 PM	#405
mikeyx Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,570	Originally Posted by Foster Zygote You appear to have difficulty with reading comprehension. Nowhere in that post did I state, or even imply, that I thought you to be a Christian. If you disagree, please point out where you believe that I did. Then you are if fact denying the atheists are incapable of being fundies? Please....
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29th January 2011, 06:25 PM	#407
joobz Tergiversator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: That's how you get ants Posts: 17,497	Originally Posted by mikeyx Then you are if fact denying the atheists are incapable of being fundies? Please.... I think I know what you meant to type. But in any event, it is a non sequitur.
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29th January 2011, 02:53 PM	#401
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,779	Originally Posted by mikeyx nope, through the trees the forest eludes you. This sentence eludes meaning.

29th January 2011, 05:54 PM	#406
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,476	Originally Posted by mikeyx yours, yes, it does That eludes meaning too. Where did you learn grammar?

29th January 2011, 07:03 PM	#408
John Jones Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,720	Originally Posted by mikeyx Then you are if fact denying the atheists are incapable of being fundies? Please.... Huh?
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29th January 2011, 07:05 PM	#409
John Jones Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,720	Originally Posted by mikeyx yours, yes, it does 154?
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29th January 2011, 07:18 PM	#410
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge Posts: 14,398	Originally Posted by mikeyx Then you are if fact denying the atheists are incapable of being fundies? Please.... What are you on about? Seriously, you aren't making the least bit of sense. Your reply has nothing to do with what I wrote.
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29th January 2011, 08:16 PM	#411
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29th January 2011, 08:19 PM	#412
Lord Emsworth Je ne suis pas une de vos élèves Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Through the Cables and the Underground ... Posts: 2,827	Originally Posted by mikeyx Then you are if fact denying the atheists are incapable of being fundies? Please.... "Oh tangled is the web [of negations] we weave ..."

30th January 2011, 09:52 AM	#413
Mister Agenda Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 2,622	Definition of fundamentalist: 1. A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism. 2. a. often Fundamentalism An organized, militant Evangelical movement originating in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th century in opposition to Protestant Liberalism and secularism, insisting on the inerrancy of Scripture. b. Adherence to the theology of this movement. You can't call an atheist a fundamentalist unless you change the definition. Of course, some people have no problem using their own definitions for things so long as it allows them so get the effect they want; in this case, attaching a word that many atheists find to represent the worst of religion to atheists themselves.

30th January 2011, 10:02 AM	#414
noreligion Guest Join Date: May 2010 Location: Easton, Pennsylvania Posts: 1,002	Originally Posted by Mister Agenda Definition of fundamentalist: 1. A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism. 2. a. often Fundamentalism An organized, militant Evangelical movement originating in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th century in opposition to Protestant Liberalism and secularism, insisting on the inerrancy of Scripture. b. Adherence to the theology of this movement. You can't call an atheist a fundamentalist unless you change the definition. Of course, some people have no problem using their own definitions for things so long as it allows them so get the effect they want; in this case, attaching a word that many atheists find to represent the worst of religion to atheists themselves. I'm an atheist myself (username gives it away). You gotta admit that adding the word new onto atheist kinda smells like the same type of ploy that was used by taking the original bible and adding a new testament.

30th January 2011, 12:13 PM	#415
mikeyx Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,570	Originally Posted by Mister Agenda Definition of fundamentalist: 1. A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism. 2. a. often Fundamentalism An organized, militant Evangelical movement originating in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th century in opposition to Protestant Liberalism and secularism, insisting on the inerrancy of Scripture. b. Adherence to the theology of this movement. You can't call an atheist a fundamentalist unless you change the definition. Of course, some people have no problem using their own definitions for things so long as it allows them so get the effect they want; in this case, attaching a word that many atheists find to represent the worst of religion to atheists themselves. The definition is biased, because fundy atheists display often the mechanics, it's like saying a black person cant be racist, which is crap, anyone can be racist, anyone, yes even atheists can be fundy. And given the evangelical nature of some atheists, kinda comes across with a religious fervor of its own. Atheism a religion? Maybe.
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30th January 2011, 01:10 PM	#416
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,779	Originally Posted by noreligion I'm an atheist myself (username gives it away). You gotta admit that adding the word new onto atheist kinda smells like the same type of ploy that was used by taking the original bible and adding a new testament. 'Gnu atheists' is the correct term. Get with the program or we'll have to cancel your non-membership in our non-club. If that happens I'm afraid your life will continue precisely the same as if we didn't.

30th January 2011, 01:14 PM	#417
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,779	Evangelical Atheists Originally Posted by mikeyx The definition is biased, because fundy atheists display often the mechanics, it's like saying a black person cant be racist, which is crap, anyone can be racist, anyone, yes even atheists can be fundy. And given the evangelical nature of some atheists, kinda comes across with a religious fervor of its own. Atheism a religion? Maybe. Could you post a link to these evangelical atheists?

30th January 2011, 01:49 PM	#418
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30th January 2011, 03:10 PM	#419
Gawdzilla 121.92-meter mutant fire-breathing lizard-thingy Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northern St. Louis County, Missouri. Posts: 13,502	Originally Posted by tsig 'Gnu atheists' is the correct term. Get with the program or we'll have to cancel your non-membership in our non-club. If that happens I'm afraid your life will continue precisely the same as if we didn't. And then he'll have to turn in the stamps he didn't collect.
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30th January 2011, 06:18 PM	#420
mikeyx Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,570	Originally Posted by tsig Could you post a link to these evangelical atheists? some of you should look in the mirror.
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30th January 2011, 06:38 PM	#421
joobz Tergiversator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: That's how you get ants Posts: 17,497	Originally Posted by mikeyx some of you should look in the mirror. So, no links or examples? Making unsupported assertions is not a very effective argument strategy.
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31st January 2011, 04:06 AM	#422
Sledge Grammaton Cleric Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Swingin' on a star Posts: 7,123	Originally Posted by mikeyx nope, through the trees the forest eludes you. The forest endures while wise man climb ladder.
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31st January 2011, 04:24 AM	#423
Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,722	Originally Posted by mikeyx nope, through the trees the forest eludes you. Through the lack of evidence of the behavior of atheists and the undefined behavior of how many of those atheists do what, your argument is a will of the wisp, a fog, a mirage and just you making stuff up. A forest there is not (in terms of any evidence there is a blank page) , though there may be a bridge over the stream...
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31st January 2011, 04:26 AM	#424
Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,722	Originally Posted by mikeyx Then you are if fact denying the atheists are incapable of being fundies? Please.... Not at all, the issue is who, what and where. The set of people who outright deny any possibility of god vs. those who deny any evidence of the existence of god are not the same set. That you have yet to establish what any of the terms means is eluding you.
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31st January 2011, 04:44 AM	#425
Agatha Winking at the Moon Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: UK Posts: 4,222	Mikeyx, what are the fundamentals of atheism, that you contend these "New Atheists" insist upon and impose on others?
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31st January 2011, 06:07 AM	#426
eerok Quixoticist Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 449	I think mikeyx is a fundie agnostic.
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31st January 2011, 06:43 AM	#427
joobz Tergiversator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: That's how you get ants Posts: 17,497	Originally Posted by eerok I think mikeyx is a fundie agnostic. No. I think he's a New Agnostic.
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31st January 2011, 07:36 AM	#428
Gawdzilla 121.92-meter mutant fire-breathing lizard-thingy Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northern St. Louis County, Missouri. Posts: 13,502	Originally Posted by joobz No. I think he's a New Agnostic. Which he will admit is the same as the Fundies.
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31st January 2011, 07:39 AM	#429
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,779	Originally Posted by mikeyx some of you should look in the mirror. Preach it, brother preach it! Can we get an amen on that?

31st January 2011, 08:31 AM	#430
Mister Agenda Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 2,622	Originally Posted by mikeyx The definition is biased, because fundy atheists display often the mechanics, it's like saying a black person cant be racist, which is crap, anyone can be racist, anyone, yes even atheists can be fundy. And given the evangelical nature of some atheists, kinda comes across with a religious fervor of its own. Atheism a religion? Maybe. It's a definition in accord with the definition of fundamentalism given by the religious fundamentalists themselves. It pre-dates by decades the new definition you are trying to impose. There are many words you could use in place of fundamentalist without redefintion: strident, activist, uppity, even evangelical. But you want to use fundamentalist AND you want us to agree that it is the right word to use. Why? And don't get me started on how much you have to mutilate the definition of 'religion' to make atheism one.

31st January 2011, 09:12 AM	#431
mikeyx Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,570	I think this should jump to Abandon All Hope as the deriders of of my obvious logic have derailed the thread. It's the only thing you should do at this point.
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31st January 2011, 09:30 AM	#432
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge Posts: 14,398	Originally Posted by mikeyx I think this should jump to Abandon All Hope as the deriders of of my obvious logic have derailed the thread. It's the only thing you should do at this point. There is no need to send this thread to AAH. There are still pertinent questions regarding your own statements that you have yet to address. Or is that why you would like to see this thread buried?
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31st January 2011, 09:42 AM	#433
mikeyx Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,570	Originally Posted by Foster Zygote There is no need to send this thread to AAH. There are still pertinent questions regarding your own statements that you have yet to address. Or is that why you would like to see this thread buried? Nah, you guys have done a complete derail, stick a fork.
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31st January 2011, 09:54 AM	#434
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,779	Originally Posted by mikeyx [quoting wikipedia's article on The New Atheism] In his 2008 book I Don't Believe in Atheists (retitled When Atheism Becomes Religion: America's New Fundamentalists for the paperback),[24] journalist and author Chris Hedges argues that there is nothing inherently moral about being either a believer or a nonbeliever. He goes a step further by accusing atheists in general and New Atheists in particular of being as intolerant, chauvinistic, bigoted, anti-intellectual, and self-righteous as their archrivals, religious fundamentalists—in other words, as being secular versions of the religious right My point is pretty much spelled out in the quote. There is among a good number of the posters here, a seemingly "New Atheist" mindset. The point often missed seemingly is, well quoted. You don't believe, that's your right. But in your dislike of the fundies, be they Christian, Muslim, faith of your choice, and I am not in any way advocating their side, in the quest to rescue the religious from their own pathetic ignorance, many atheists come off sounding oddly familiar. They kinda sound like the very thing they claim to oppose. In a more moderate, you have a right to be a believer, nonbeliever, or agnostic, bit it's still a personal thing and any group, imposing it's mindset really is any better than any other, overbearing Atheists included right alongside the Falwells, the Robertsons, and the Bin Ladens. Thoughts?[/quote] Originally Posted by mikeyx Nah, you guys have done a complete derail, stick a fork. First you ask for them now they're a derail. Never ask for thoughts unless you're willing to do some yourself.

31st January 2011, 10:33 AM	#435
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge Posts: 14,398	Originally Posted by mikeyx Nah, you guys have done a complete derail, stick a fork. How is it a derail to ask you why someone who is asking the government to uphold the constitutional establishment of separations of church and state is an example of a "new atheist" behaving like an "obnoxious ******* forcing his opinions where they may not be wanted"? You've offered nothing but evasion and claims that you were just trolling the forum, what we might call the "I only pooped my pants so that you would have to smell it" defense. The only thing you have managed to demonstrate with this thread is your own intellectual dishonesty and your inability to construct a cogent argument.
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