Chinese Super Megalopolis?

Policenaut · 26th January 2011, 07:53 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...on-people.html

16,000 square miles, 42 million people (to start!), and at a cost of around $200 billion. That's new.

"Mr Ma said that residents would be able to use universal rail cards and buy annual tickets to allow them to commute around the mega-city."

Yes the B-712 train will be at Shenzhen in approximately 35 hours. You better make that packet of peanuts last.

lionking · 26th January 2011, 08:19 PM

Amazing. Billions spent on high speed rail alone!!!

DC · 26th January 2011, 08:30 PM

pfff only 16 000 sq miles?

WildCat · 26th January 2011, 08:40 PM

They can build housing for 42 million people for $4,800 per person? An that doesn't include offices, roads, sewers, gas, electricity, etc etc.

tyr_13 · 26th January 2011, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

They can build housing for 42 million people for $4,800 per person? An that doesn't include offices, roads, sewers, gas, electricity, etc etc.

The heading under the article's title is, "China is planning to create the world's biggest mega city by merging nine cities to create a metropolis twice the size of Wales with a population of 42 million."

They're making this 'Megalopolis' by connecting these pre-existing cities.

Also from the article, "Over the next six years, around 150 major infrastructure projects will mesh the transport, energy, water and telecommunications networks of the nine cities together, at a cost of some 2 trillion yuan (£190 billion). An express rail line will also connect the hub with nearby Hong Kong. "

EDIT: It seems like a might good idea actually.

JJM 777 · 26th January 2011, 09:31 PM

This will be the first manmade car exhaust smog could that can be seen from the space.

MG1962 · 26th January 2011, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by tyr_13

EDIT: It seems like a might good idea actually.

Well will save the US a motza in nuclear war heads

RenaissanceBiker · 27th January 2011, 07:17 AM

I thought we already discussed Chinese ghost cities.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-deserted.html

Talk about a housing bubble. The people who built these things want to sell the "new" buildings to investors. They won't let anyone move in because then they won't be "new" and thus less valuable.

Eddie Dane · 27th January 2011, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by RenaissanceBiker

I thought we already discussed Chinese ghost cities.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-deserted.html

Talk about a housing bubble. The people who built these things want to sell the "new" buildings to investors. They won't let anyone move in because then they won't be "new" and thus less valuable.

Off topic, but I heard that this is a bit of a Chinese cultural obsession.
The love stuff that is new and dislike stuff that is second hand or old.

I showed some Chinese around Amsterdam by boat.
Their reaction to the canals and old buildings was very "meh".
When we reached the newly constructed and futuristic towerblocks, they suddenly sat up straight, smiled and started taking photo's.

Vorticity · 27th January 2011, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by Eddie Dane

Off topic, but I heard that this is a bit of a Chinese cultural obsession.
The love stuff that is new and dislike stuff that is second hand or old.

I showed some Chinese around Amsterdam by boat.
Their reaction to the canals and old buildings was very "meh".
When we reached the newly constructed and futuristic towerblocks, they suddenly sat up straight, smiled and started taking photo's.

I wonder if this might have anything to do with Mao's Cultural Revolution, which emphasized "out with the old, in with the new" type messages, and rejected "Old Chinese" attitudes (e.g. Confucianism) as corrupt and decadent.

Modified · 27th January 2011, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by Vorticity

I wonder if this might have anything to do with Mao's Cultural Revolution, which emphasized "out with the old, in with the new" type messages, and rejected "Old Chinese" attitudes (e.g. Confucianism) as corrupt and decadent.

There is also their perception that used things that belonged to dead people are in some way "haunted", though I'm not sure if that applies to housing. My usually very rational wife (who is Chinese) went nuts once when I bought some used furniture from a condo sale of dead people's stuff. We did keep it in the end, but she won't let her friends or parents stay in that room when they visit.

Mark6 · 27th January 2011, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Vorticity

I wonder if this might have anything to do with Mao's Cultural Revolution, which emphasized "out with the old, in with the new" type messages, and rejected "Old Chinese" attitudes (e.g. Confucianism) as corrupt and decadent.

Very likely, considering that pre-Communism Chinese cultural attitudes toward "new" and "old" were exactly opposite.

Up until Communist revolution China was an extermely old-venerating society, suspicious of "newfangled stuff".

Foolmewunz · 27th January 2011, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by JJM 777

This will be the first manmade car exhaust smog could that can be seen from the space.

Yes, because electric trains are such polluters. If anything, this will probably be a greener initiative than the current set-up off independent cities repeating infrastructure requirements seven-fold. It's a lot easier to justify a mega-hydro project to encompass this huge population than seven to twelve smaller ones.

Foolmewunz · 27th January 2011, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Policenaut

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...on-people.html

16,000 square miles, 42 million people (to start!), and at a cost of around $200 billion. That's new.

"Mr Ma said that residents would be able to use universal rail cards and buy annual tickets to allow them to commute around the mega-city."

Yes the B-712 train will be at Shenzhen in approximately 35 hours. You better make that packet of peanuts last.

Well, their numbers are WRONG. If you extend those dotted lines two miles at two points in the south, you add Hong Kong and Macau. Ka-ching! More than 10,000,000 more people by a little jerrymandering. They aren't mentioning them because they are both SARs/Autonomous Regions. The UN already tagged the Pearl River Delta as the world's first true megalopolis - the population is more like 140,000,000!

I'm looking out my window and can see the cranes constructing the southern terminus of the Hong Kong/Shenzhen/Guangzhou highspeed rail. It currently takes me 45 minutes to get to Shenzhen by train - a local with about fifteen stops. Once completed in about five years, the time to get all the way to Guangzhou will be about that long.

I was on the Chinese rail system last week, up north. I have to say that I'm mightily impressed. The rail station at Shanghai is in a complex with the domestic airport, it's clean and automated and very new/modern, and the trains(new-ish and very clean) leave precisely on time and get to destination precisely on time. Ticket from Shanghai to Ningbo East was about USD 18 for first class. Outlets for your laptop, cafe car, etc....

Ladewig · 27th January 2011, 03:01 PM

Right on the coast. Will they take any steps to protect the megacity from tsunami's?

Foolmewunz · 27th January 2011, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Policenaut

<snip>
Yes the B-712 train will be at Shenzhen in approximately 35 hours. You better make that packet of peanuts last.

Not quite. I can get from Hong Kong to Shanghai by rail in 18 hours. Beijing in 24. There will be no such thing as a 35 hour rail trip within Guangdong Province, and the peanuts are a western thing, we can get decent hot noodles and dumplings on the trains here.

Foolmewunz · 27th January 2011, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

Right on the coast. Will they take any steps to protect the megacity from tsunami's?

It's already there. (ETA: Meaning.... the threat, if any, has existed for centuries, so it's not something attributable to this plan. Those cities exist, within short distances of each other. The population is not projected - it's current.) They're just linking it altogether. The Pearl Delta has never been hit by a Tsunami, but I suppose it could happen. Are they making plans to protect South Florida from Tsunamis? Seattle? Durban?

GodMark2 · 27th January 2011, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

It's already there. (ETA: Meaning.... the threat, if any, has existed for centuries, so it's not something attributable to this plan. Those cities exist, within short distances of each other. The population is not projected - it's current.) They're just linking it altogether. The Pearl Delta has never been hit by a Tsunami, but I suppose it could happen. Are they making plans to protect South Florida from Tsunamis? Seattle? Durban?

Protect from? No. Plan to mitigate damages and loss of life: Seattle since 2005.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...tsunami08.html

Ladewig · 27th January 2011, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

It's already there. (ETA: Meaning.... the threat, if any, has existed for centuries, so it's not something attributable to this plan. Those cities exist, within short distances of each other. The population is not projected - it's current.) They're just linking it altogether. The Pearl Delta has never been hit by a Tsunami, but I suppose it could happen. Are they making plans to protect South Florida from Tsunamis? Seattle? Durban?

I had assumed that as the inter-city infrastructure was put in place, the interstitial space would be filled up with people over the next 10-25 years.

ETA: I've been trying to find topological info about the region but cannot.

Roboramma · 28th January 2011, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

Not quite. I can get from Hong Kong to Shanghai by rail in 18 hours. Beijing in 24. There will be no such thing as a 35 hour rail trip within Guangdong Province, and the peanuts are a western thing, we can get decent hot noodles and dumplings on the trains here.

Speaking of which, there's also a high speed rail between Shanghai and Beijing on the way as well...

Foolmewunz · 28th January 2011, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

I had assumed that as the inter-city infrastructure was put in place, the interstitial space would be filled up with people over the next 10-25 years.

ETA: I've been trying to find topological info about the region but cannot.

Fairly mountainous. The Delta, well, is a Delta. Ergo at the coast, there could be some major damage and loss of life if there was ever a Tsunami. The area of concern would be the faults running through and around Taiwan, but with the curvature of the coast, a Tsunami from that are would probably make serious trouble for us here in Hong Kong, but wouldn't likely turn and go upriver into the new megacity area - more like it would head towards Hainan.

The area has been fortunate in that typhoons seem to take either a left or right at Lauzon and head for Viet Nam/Hainan or Taiwan/Japan. We haven't had a major typhoon here in my nine years and I can't recall one outside of Tai Pan, before that. Not that that stops Discovery Channel. We're featured in one of those What If The Big One Comes docus.

Toontown · 28th January 2011, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by JJM 777

This will be the first manmade car exhaust smog could that can be seen from the space.

The general pollution can already be seen from space. The location of Beijing can only be implied from the location of the haze blanket.

http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=1036

Toontown · 28th January 2011, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by tyr_13

EDIT: It seems like a might good idea actually.

Only if a 1.3 billion population is a good idea. Which it isn't.

Foolmewunz · 28th January 2011, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Toontown

Only if a 1.3 billion population is a good idea. Which it isn't.

That's a bit of a non-answer. There are 1.3 billion Chinese. What should they do? Forbid them services and infrastructure?

Londinius · 29th January 2011, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by Vorticity

I wonder if this might have anything to do with Mao's Cultural Revolution, which emphasized "out with the old, in with the new" type messages, and rejected "Old Chinese" attitudes (e.g. Confucianism) as corrupt and decadent.

You can't blame them. For more than a hundred years between mid-19th century and 1950, war, turmoil and foreign imperialism torn the country apart, resulting in tens of millions death (can't give an exact amount at the moment, but I'm pretty sure it's much more than that) just because they failed to modernise, which can be attributed mostly to the "backward looking" Confucian ideology (ie. there exists an ideal past and progressive ideas should be despised upon).

26th January 2011, 07:53 PM	#1
Policenaut Infidel Defiler Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Shadow Moses Island Posts: 2,193	Chinese Super Megalopolis? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...on-people.html 16,000 square miles, 42 million people (to start!), and at a cost of around $200 billion. That's new. "Mr Ma said that residents would be able to use universal rail cards and buy annual tickets to allow them to commute around the mega-city." Yes the B-712 train will be at Shenzhen in approximately 35 hours. You better make that packet of peanuts last.

26th January 2011, 08:19 PM	#2
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 29,649	Amazing. Billions spent on high speed rail alone!!!
	Last edited by lionking; 26th January 2011 at 08:21 PM.

26th January 2011, 08:30 PM	#3
DC dedicated aphilatelist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 21,646	pfff only 16 000 sq miles?
	__________________ AGW is a fact, including the A, face it

26th January 2011, 09:25 PM	#5
tyr_13 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Falconer, NY Posts: 9,652	Originally Posted by WildCat They can build housing for 42 million people for $4,800 per person? An that doesn't include offices, roads, sewers, gas, electricity, etc etc. The heading under the article's title is, "China is planning to create the world's biggest mega city by merging nine cities to create a metropolis twice the size of Wales with a population of 42 million." They're making this 'Megalopolis' by connecting these pre-existing cities. Also from the article, "Over the next six years, around 150 major infrastructure projects will mesh the transport, energy, water and telecommunications networks of the nine cities together, at a cost of some 2 trillion yuan (£190 billion). An express rail line will also connect the hub with nearby Hong Kong. " EDIT: It seems like a might good idea actually.
	__________________ Circled nothing is still nothing. "Nothing will stop the U.S. from being a world leader, not even a handful of adults who want their kids to take science lessons from a book that mentions unicorns six times." -UNLoVedRebel Mumpsimus: a stubborn person who insists on making an error in spite of being shown that it is wrong

27th January 2011, 07:17 AM	#8
RenaissanceBiker Eats shoots and leaves. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 6,793	I thought we already discussed Chinese ghost cities. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-deserted.html Talk about a housing bubble. The people who built these things want to sell the "new" buildings to investors. They won't let anyone move in because then they won't be "new" and thus less valuable.
	__________________ "Truth does not contradict truth." - St. Augustine "Faith often contradicts faith. Therefore faith is not an indication of truth." - RenaissanceBiker

26th January 2011, 08:40 PM	#4
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,998	They can build housing for 42 million people for $4,800 per person? An that doesn't include offices, roads, sewers, gas, electricity, etc etc.

26th January 2011, 09:31 PM	#6
JJM 777 Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Finland Posts: 3,175	This will be the first manmade car exhaust smog could that can be seen from the space.

26th January 2011, 09:40 PM	#7
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by tyr_13 EDIT: It seems like a might good idea actually. Well will save the US a motza in nuclear war heads

27th January 2011, 08:48 AM	#9
Eddie Dane Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,416	Originally Posted by RenaissanceBiker I thought we already discussed Chinese ghost cities. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-deserted.html Talk about a housing bubble. The people who built these things want to sell the "new" buildings to investors. They won't let anyone move in because then they won't be "new" and thus less valuable. Off topic, but I heard that this is a bit of a Chinese cultural obsession. The love stuff that is new and dislike stuff that is second hand or old. I showed some Chinese around Amsterdam by boat. Their reaction to the canals and old buildings was very "meh". When we reached the newly constructed and futuristic towerblocks, they suddenly sat up straight, smiled and started taking photo's.

27th January 2011, 09:11 AM	#10
Vorticity Fluid Mechanic Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Alamos, NM Posts: 2,644	Originally Posted by Eddie Dane Off topic, but I heard that this is a bit of a Chinese cultural obsession. The love stuff that is new and dislike stuff that is second hand or old. I showed some Chinese around Amsterdam by boat. Their reaction to the canals and old buildings was very "meh". When we reached the newly constructed and futuristic towerblocks, they suddenly sat up straight, smiled and started taking photo's. I wonder if this might have anything to do with Mao's Cultural Revolution, which emphasized "out with the old, in with the new" type messages, and rejected "Old Chinese" attitudes (e.g. Confucianism) as corrupt and decadent.
	__________________ Free lunch. Final wisdom. Total coverage. http://stopsylvia.com Last edited by Vorticity; 27th January 2011 at 09:20 AM.

27th January 2011, 09:37 AM	#11
Modified Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SW Florida Posts: 4,062	Originally Posted by Vorticity I wonder if this might have anything to do with Mao's Cultural Revolution, which emphasized "out with the old, in with the new" type messages, and rejected "Old Chinese" attitudes (e.g. Confucianism) as corrupt and decadent. There is also their perception that used things that belonged to dead people are in some way "haunted", though I'm not sure if that applies to housing. My usually very rational wife (who is Chinese) went nuts once when I bought some used furniture from a condo sale of dead people's stuff. We did keep it in the end, but she won't let her friends or parents stay in that room when they visit.

27th January 2011, 10:41 AM	#12
Mark6 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,173	Originally Posted by Vorticity I wonder if this might have anything to do with Mao's Cultural Revolution, which emphasized "out with the old, in with the new" type messages, and rejected "Old Chinese" attitudes (e.g. Confucianism) as corrupt and decadent. Very likely, considering that pre-Communism Chinese cultural attitudes toward "new" and "old" were exactly opposite. Up until Communist revolution China was an extermely old-venerating society, suspicious of "newfangled stuff".
Mark6 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,173	__________________ Gamemaster: "A horde of rotting zombies is shambling toward you. The sign over the door says 'Accounting'"

27th January 2011, 02:48 PM	#13
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 20,511	Originally Posted by JJM 777 This will be the first manmade car exhaust smog could that can be seen from the space. Yes, because electric trains are such polluters. If anything, this will probably be a greener initiative than the current set-up off independent cities repeating infrastructure requirements seven-fold. It's a lot easier to justify a mega-hydro project to encompass this huge population than seven to twelve smaller ones.
	__________________ Ha! Foolmewunz has just been added to the list of people who aren't complete idiots. Hokulele Don't you wish someone had slapped baby Hitler really really hard? [i] Dr. Buzzo 02/13 [i]

27th January 2011, 02:59 PM	#14
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 20,511	Originally Posted by Policenaut http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...on-people.html 16,000 square miles, 42 million people (to start!), and at a cost of around $200 billion. That's new. "Mr Ma said that residents would be able to use universal rail cards and buy annual tickets to allow them to commute around the mega-city." Yes the B-712 train will be at Shenzhen in approximately 35 hours. You better make that packet of peanuts last. Well, their numbers are WRONG. If you extend those dotted lines two miles at two points in the south, you add Hong Kong and Macau. Ka-ching! More than 10,000,000 more people by a little jerrymandering. They aren't mentioning them because they are both SARs/Autonomous Regions. The UN already tagged the Pearl River Delta as the world's first true megalopolis - the population is more like 140,000,000! I'm looking out my window and can see the cranes constructing the southern terminus of the Hong Kong/Shenzhen/Guangzhou highspeed rail. It currently takes me 45 minutes to get to Shenzhen by train - a local with about fifteen stops. Once completed in about five years, the time to get all the way to Guangzhou will be about that long. I was on the Chinese rail system last week, up north. I have to say that I'm mightily impressed. The rail station at Shanghai is in a complex with the domestic airport, it's clean and automated and very new/modern, and the trains(new-ish and very clean) leave precisely on time and get to destination precisely on time. Ticket from Shanghai to Ningbo East was about USD 18 for first class. Outlets for your laptop, cafe car, etc....
	__________________ Ha! Foolmewunz has just been added to the list of people who aren't complete idiots. Hokulele Don't you wish someone had slapped baby Hitler really really hard? [i] Dr. Buzzo 02/13 [i]

27th January 2011, 03:01 PM	#15
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,787	Right on the coast. Will they take any steps to protect the megacity from tsunami's?
	__________________ Is the JREF message board training wheels for people who hope to one day troll other message boards? It is not that hard to get us to believe you. We are not the major leagues or even the minor leagues. We are Pee-Wee baseball. If you love striking out 10-year-olds, then you'll love trolling our board.

27th January 2011, 03:05 PM	#16
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 20,511	Originally Posted by Policenaut <snip> Yes the B-712 train will be at Shenzhen in approximately 35 hours. You better make that packet of peanuts last. Not quite. I can get from Hong Kong to Shanghai by rail in 18 hours. Beijing in 24. There will be no such thing as a 35 hour rail trip within Guangdong Province, and the peanuts are a western thing, we can get decent hot noodles and dumplings on the trains here.
	__________________ Ha! Foolmewunz has just been added to the list of people who aren't complete idiots. Hokulele Don't you wish someone had slapped baby Hitler really really hard? [i] Dr. Buzzo 02/13 [i]

27th January 2011, 03:07 PM	#17
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 20,511	Originally Posted by Ladewig Right on the coast. Will they take any steps to protect the megacity from tsunami's? It's already there. (ETA: Meaning.... the threat, if any, has existed for centuries, so it's not something attributable to this plan. Those cities exist, within short distances of each other. The population is not projected - it's current.) They're just linking it altogether. The Pearl Delta has never been hit by a Tsunami, but I suppose it could happen. Are they making plans to protect South Florida from Tsunamis? Seattle? Durban?
	__________________ Ha! Foolmewunz has just been added to the list of people who aren't complete idiots. Hokulele Don't you wish someone had slapped baby Hitler really really hard? [i] Dr. Buzzo 02/13 [i] Last edited by Foolmewunz; 27th January 2011 at 03:12 PM.

27th January 2011, 07:20 PM	#18
GodMark2 Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 1,041	Originally Posted by Foolmewunz It's already there. (ETA: Meaning.... the threat, if any, has existed for centuries, so it's not something attributable to this plan. Those cities exist, within short distances of each other. The population is not projected - it's current.) They're just linking it altogether. The Pearl Delta has never been hit by a Tsunami, but I suppose it could happen. Are they making plans to protect South Florida from Tsunamis? Seattle? Durban? Protect from? No. Plan to mitigate damages and loss of life: Seattle since 2005. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...tsunami08.html
	__________________ Knowing that we do not know, it does not necessarily follow that we can not know.

27th January 2011, 08:54 PM	#19
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,787	Originally Posted by Foolmewunz It's already there. (ETA: Meaning.... the threat, if any, has existed for centuries, so it's not something attributable to this plan. Those cities exist, within short distances of each other. The population is not projected - it's current.) They're just linking it altogether. The Pearl Delta has never been hit by a Tsunami, but I suppose it could happen. Are they making plans to protect South Florida from Tsunamis? Seattle? Durban? I had assumed that as the inter-city infrastructure was put in place, the interstitial space would be filled up with people over the next 10-25 years. ETA: I've been trying to find topological info about the region but cannot.
	__________________ Is the JREF message board training wheels for people who hope to one day troll other message boards? It is not that hard to get us to believe you. We are not the major leagues or even the minor leagues. We are Pee-Wee baseball. If you love striking out 10-year-olds, then you'll love trolling our board. Last edited by Ladewig; 27th January 2011 at 09:00 PM.

28th January 2011, 02:28 AM	#20
Roboramma Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shanghai Posts: 7,094	Originally Posted by Foolmewunz Not quite. I can get from Hong Kong to Shanghai by rail in 18 hours. Beijing in 24. There will be no such thing as a 35 hour rail trip within Guangdong Province, and the peanuts are a western thing, we can get decent hot noodles and dumplings on the trains here. Speaking of which, there's also a high speed rail between Shanghai and Beijing on the way as well...
	__________________ "... when people thought the Earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the Earth was spherical they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the Earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the Earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together." Isaac Asimov

28th January 2011, 04:06 PM	#21
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 20,511	Originally Posted by Ladewig I had assumed that as the inter-city infrastructure was put in place, the interstitial space would be filled up with people over the next 10-25 years. ETA: I've been trying to find topological info about the region but cannot. Fairly mountainous. The Delta, well, is a Delta. Ergo at the coast, there could be some major damage and loss of life if there was ever a Tsunami. The area of concern would be the faults running through and around Taiwan, but with the curvature of the coast, a Tsunami from that are would probably make serious trouble for us here in Hong Kong, but wouldn't likely turn and go upriver into the new megacity area - more like it would head towards Hainan. The area has been fortunate in that typhoons seem to take either a left or right at Lauzon and head for Viet Nam/Hainan or Taiwan/Japan. We haven't had a major typhoon here in my nine years and I can't recall one outside of Tai Pan, before that. Not that that stops Discovery Channel. We're featured in one of those What If The Big One Comes docus.
	__________________ Ha! Foolmewunz has just been added to the list of people who aren't complete idiots. Hokulele Don't you wish someone had slapped baby Hitler really really hard? [i] Dr. Buzzo 02/13 [i]

28th January 2011, 05:04 PM	#22
Toontown Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,555	Originally Posted by JJM 777 This will be the first manmade car exhaust smog could that can be seen from the space. The general pollution can already be seen from space. The location of Beijing can only be implied from the location of the haze blanket. http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=1036
Toontown Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,555

28th January 2011, 05:08 PM	#23
Toontown Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,555	Originally Posted by tyr_13 EDIT: It seems like a might good idea actually. Only if a 1.3 billion population is a good idea. Which it isn't.
Toontown Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,555

28th January 2011, 05:16 PM	#24
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 20,511	Originally Posted by Toontown Only if a 1.3 billion population is a good idea. Which it isn't. That's a bit of a non-answer. There are 1.3 billion Chinese. What should they do? Forbid them services and infrastructure?
	__________________ Ha! Foolmewunz has just been added to the list of people who aren't complete idiots. Hokulele Don't you wish someone had slapped baby Hitler really really hard? [i] Dr. Buzzo 02/13 [i]

29th January 2011, 09:02 AM	#25
Londinius Scholar Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 52	Originally Posted by Vorticity I wonder if this might have anything to do with Mao's Cultural Revolution, which emphasized "out with the old, in with the new" type messages, and rejected "Old Chinese" attitudes (e.g. Confucianism) as corrupt and decadent. You can't blame them. For more than a hundred years between mid-19th century and 1950, war, turmoil and foreign imperialism torn the country apart, resulting in tens of millions death (can't give an exact amount at the moment, but I'm pretty sure it's much more than that) just because they failed to modernise, which can be attributed mostly to the "backward looking" Confucian ideology (ie. there exists an ideal past and progressive ideas should be despised upon).
Londinius Scholar Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 52	Last edited by Londinius; 29th January 2011 at 09:04 AM.