Another forum cracked under the weight of reason

c0rbin · 16th March 2004, 01:18 PM

Christianity.com, introduced to me by a JREFer named Plidboe had a section on Origins and Cloning.

I say "had" because as of this morning, the managment removed it from the discussion area. No more bantering with creationists (one of whom was a science teacher!!).

Oh, well. Back to parishing with the converted. It's good to be home.

Jas · 16th March 2004, 02:28 PM

What? I can't believe that they did that.

Now what am I going to do for fun?

Jas · 16th March 2004, 02:42 PM

From the 'Announcements' forum:

The Science & Origins forum has been closed for an indefinite time due to the volume of Terms of Service violations and anti-Christian sentiments being posted there.

The S&O forum was intended to be a place to discuss issues as they relate to Christianity, not a place for those who wish to attempt to discredit Christianity or intimidate Christians into mistakenly thinking their faith has been disproven by science.

Christianity.com will not tolerate the use of it's website to facilitate those who wish to attack Christianity. If you would like a place to air your opinions that are blatantly anti-biblical then we would suggest that you go to a different site where open discussions of all sorts are welcome.

This action has been taken after careful consideration by the administrators of this forum. Please do not try to ask for a reinstatement. Any inquiries of such will be ignored.

Esher (Forum Administrator)

Yahweh · 16th March 2004, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jas
What? I can't believe that they did that.

Now what am I going to do for fun?

Christianforums.com

Its not as fun as say RaptureReady, the threads move rather quickly with nothing being accomplished in the name of intellectual discovery, all the crap they have seems to slow down your computer processing speed a great deal, but sometimes I'll throw away a few hours of my freetime on those forums... nothing much better to do with my time...

Zep · 16th March 2004, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Yahweh

Christianforums.com

Its not as fun as say RaptureReady, the threads move rather quickly with nothing being accomplished in the name of intellectual discovery, all the crap they have seems to slow down your computer processing speed a great deal, but sometimes I'll throw away a few hours of my freetime on those forums... nothing much better to do with my time...

GET OUT OF THE HOUSE, YOU YOUNG SLOB! Go for a walk. Go to the mall. Go to the movies. Read a book. Try to find a girlfriend (or boyfriend, or whatever you prefer). Just stay away from silly places like RR and ChristianForums in your down time, OK?

Sheesh. What a waste of raw talent...

Yahweh · 16th March 2004, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jas
From the 'Announcements' forum:

The Science & Origins forum has been closed for an indefinite time due to the volume of Terms of Service violations and anti-Christian sentiments being posted there.

The S&O forum was intended to be a place to discuss issues as they relate to Christianity, not a place for those who wish to attempt to discredit Christianity or intimidate Christians into mistakenly thinking their faith has been disproven by science.

Christianity.com will not tolerate the use of it's website to facilitate those who wish to attack Christianity. If you would like a place to air your opinions that are blatantly anti-biblical then we would suggest that you go to a different site where open discussions of all sorts are welcome.

This action has been taken after careful consideration by the administrators of this forum. Please do not try to ask for a reinstatement. Any inquiries of such will be ignored.

Esher (Forum Administrator)

Oh! I forgot that good scientific study is nothing but AN OUTRIGHT ATTACK ON CHRISTIANITY ITSELF!

Gee, maybe they have a point... I mean, in every science book I've ever read, it opens with the words "The intent and goal of this book is to KILL GOD!!!!!! Welcome to the wonderful world of...".

*slaps forehead*

Silly me!

Zep · 16th March 2004, 03:24 PM

It's an online group hug, not a roundtable discussion group.

You've disturbed their karma, but since they don't believe in that, they have no idea what you have disturbed, but you have disturbed theirs anyway.

{hands on hips, wags finger}

Now look what you've gone and done!

Brahe · 16th March 2004, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jas
From the 'Announcements' forum:

The Science & Origins forum has been closed for an indefinite time due to the volume of Terms of Service violations and anti-Christian sentiments being posted there.

Ah, this brings back memories of when I posted at Christianity.com. As is the fate of so many skeptics posting on boards like RaptureReady and TheologyWeb and such, I was banned, ostensibly for ToS violoations. And like so many banned skeptics, I'm fairly confident that no ToS violoation occurred, but that the moderators simply didn't like what I was posting. But here's the hilarious part: my "attacks on Christianity" did not consist of philosophy aimed at disproving some claim of an afterlife, nor even did I bring up supposedly anti-Christian science. Rather, I was banned for taking the position that witchcraft had no power because no one could present any evidence for the power of witchcraft!

In other words, it's not that the moderators there dislike posts that don't promote Christianity, it's that they simply dislike the idea of debate at all. Quite an odd attitude for voluntary moderators, but also predictable given how many posters over there relied on arguments from authority.

Quote:

This action has been taken after careful consideration by the administrators of this forum. Please do not try to ask for a reinstatement. Any inquiries of such will be ignored.

Once more, they're transparent. It's not that they find such questions repetetive, it's that they have no justification for their move besides, "because we say so!"

Brian the Snail · 17th March 2004, 07:25 AM

Quote:

The S&O forum was intended to be a place to discuss issues as they relate to Christianity, not a place for those who wish to attempt to discredit Christianity or intimidate Christians into mistakenly thinking their faith has been disproven by science.

Christianity.com will not tolerate the use of it's website to facilitate those who wish to attack Christianity. If you would like a place to air your opinions that are blatantly anti-biblical then we would suggest that you go to a different site where open discussions of all sorts are welcome.

In other words: "reasoned debate makes baby Jesus cry."

Well look at this way, it could have been worse. Remember what they used to do with heretics...

Scoobmaster · 17th March 2004, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Yahweh

Christianforums.com

Its not as fun as say RaptureReady, the threads move rather quickly with nothing being accomplished in the name of intellectual discovery, all the crap they have seems to slow down your computer processing speed a great deal, but sometimes I'll throw away a few hours of my freetime on those forums... nothing much better to do with my time...

Hey Yahweh - what is your username over there at Christianforums.com? I don't recall seing your JREF ID there (let me guess - not allowed??). I have seen sparklecat post there, but she does so as "sparklecat".

Any other JREFers post there under IDs that you don't mind making known so we can recognize each other?

(I am Scoobmaster there too, just have not posted anything yet

)

c0rbin · 17th March 2004, 09:29 AM

I actually was able to have reasonable debates with some of the posters on Christianity.com (and not just the ones on "my team").

I was truly pressed by an IDer and gained some insight and practice at being contentious with being an a$$.

RandFan · 17th March 2004, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brian the Snail
In other words: "reasoned debate makes baby Jesus cry."

Martin · 17th March 2004, 09:37 AM

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Originally posted by Scoobmaster
Any other JREFers post there under IDs that you don't mind making known so we can recognize each other?

I'm there as MartinM.

Scoobmaster · 17th March 2004, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Martin

I'm there as MartinM.

Cool - Thanks! I think I have seen some of your posts there in either Science or General Apologetics. What prompted me to ask the question besides Yahweh's post was seeing a posters avatar tthere on Christionforums (a bear - I think the userid is "Grizzly") show up here as an avatr too (darned if I can remember the poster's ID here)

Yahweh · 17th March 2004, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Scoobmaster
Hey Yahweh - what is your username over there at Christianforums.com? I don't recall seing your JREF ID there (let me guess - not allowed??). I have seen sparklecat post there, but she does so as "sparklecat".

Any other JREFers post there under IDs that you don't mind making known so we can recognize each other?

(I am Scoobmaster there too, just have not posted anything yet )

Well I'll just put it like this: If anyone can figure out all of the usernames I use on that board, they deserve a medal. *Paranoia intensifies*

Helpful hints: I'm not LogicalChallenger, I'm not USIncognito, and Iacchus figured out at least one username.

I have to call myself a "very Liberal Christian" to post on the Questions About Christianity boards (I recieved a PM from one of the moderators requesting that the only people who can reply to posts on that board are Christians). On one or two occasions, my posts have been removed for "Debating in the Questions About Christianity forum" (I noticed that forum has been moved out of the Debate genre... hmmm...). I've recieved quite a few comments (and one accusation of being influenced by Satan) for my posts and interpretation of the bible.

I've seen the same debates that exist on ChristianForums.com from one year ago being debated today. Same topics, new faces, next year lather, rinse, and repeat process all over again.

Riddick · 17th March 2004, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Yahweh
Christianforums.com

Its not as fun as say RaptureReady, the threads move rather quickly with nothing being accomplished in the name of intellectual discovery, all the crap they have seems to slow down your computer processing speed a great deal, but sometimes I'll throw away a few hours of my freetime on those forums... nothing much better to do with my time...

Here at JREF we have the peak of intellectual discovery. And by God (I didn't really say that did I??!) the Christians are such simpletons. Intellectualism > Christianity. It's just defined that way!! Because we're intellectuals --- NOTHING CAN STOP US! DEAR GOD I FEEL THE INTELLECTUAL FORCE NOW...please pass the toilet paper, my stall is out. ty

Zep · 17th March 2004, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Riddick

Here at JREF we have the peak of intellectual discovery. And by God (I didn't really say that did I??!) the Christians are such simpletons. Intellectualism > Christianity. It's just defined that way!! Because we're intellectuals --- NOTHING CAN STOP US! DEAR GOD I FEEL THE INTELLECTUAL FORCE NOW...please pass the toilet paper, my stall is out. ty

I'm glad you're not a "typical" Christian, sonny. Scatology is SO passe.

Riddick · 17th March 2004, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zep
I'm glad you're not a "typical" Christian, sonny. Scatology is SO passe.

Hmm. You used "passe" in a sentence. Rhymes with "gay."

Yahweh · 17th March 2004, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Riddick
Here at JREF we have the peak of intellectual discovery. And by God (I didn't really say that did I??!) the Christians are such simpletons. Intellectualism > Christianity. It's just defined that way!! Because we're intellectuals --- NOTHING CAN STOP US! DEAR GOD I FEEL THE INTELLECTUAL FORCE NOW...please pass the toilet paper, my stall is out. ty

*Tears page from the Bible*

Your welcome.

c4ts · 17th March 2004, 06:47 PM

Riddick, perhaps you should try to be more intellectual yourself instead supporting your own misconceptions with empty attacks.

Riddick · 17th March 2004, 08:54 PM

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Originally posted by c4ts
Riddick, perhaps you should try to be more intellectual yourself instead supporting your own misconceptions with empty attacks.

I really should, but some people say things sooo stupid, I just can't resist them. It's a vicious circle. I really should just take into account they're mostly young people and go on about my way.

WinAce · 17th March 2004, 08:58 PM

Brahe: Hi again. Amazing how we both seem to pop up repeatedly on the exact same multitude of web boards. I still need to track down nat/Joe Chip though so we can all have a big POD reunion party.

Quote:

Originally posted by Scoobmaster

Any other JREFers post there under IDs that you don't mind making known so we can recognize each other?

With my post count, I can't legitimately refer to myself as a "JREFer," but just for the record I have the same name over there as here.

Zep · 17th March 2004, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Riddick

Hmm. You used "passe" in a sentence. Rhymes with "gay."

Really? Is "Riddick" short for "ridiculous"?

neutrino_cannon · 17th March 2004, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Riddick

Hmm. You used "passe" in a sentence. Rhymes with "gay."

Did I ever tell you you're really cute?

You should come to my place sometime. We could play checkers.

Reasoned debaters are like monoatomic hydrogen, they slip through the smallest cracks, and can react to about anything.

Now... if only hydrogen were not diatomic... we'd be going places.

Some Friggin Guy · 17th March 2004, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zep
Really? Is "Riddick" short for "ridiculous"?

Well, we could use his logic about fundie = fun die...

No, that would be wrong and incredibly juvenile.

Brahe · 17th March 2004, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Riddick

Here at JREF we have the peak of intellectual discovery. And by God (I didn't really say that did I??!) the Christians are such simpletons. Intellectualism > Christianity. It's just defined that way!! Because we're intellectuals --- NOTHING CAN STOP US! DEAR GOD I FEEL THE INTELLECTUAL FORCE NOW...please pass the toilet paper, my stall is out. ty

Riddick, this stereotype, insofar as it exists, is hardly an elaborate illusion constructed by non-fundamentalists. Why does it exist at all? Why does this stereotype go as far as it does? It's because...

...we see forums that are supposedly dedicated to Christianity close down the science section due to nonexistent attacks on Christianity.

...we see ostensibly Christian forums whose moderators ban members not due to violations of terms of services but due to those members honestly debating. Indeed, those same "Christian" moderators overlook blatant violations from members who toe the official line.

...we see creationists claim that all True Christians are anti-science buffoons, and those willing to accept science are nothing more than salad-bar Christians.

...we see Pascal's Wager brandied about endlessly, no matter how many times it's been explained as fallacious. For that matter, we also see God of the Gaps, argument from design, and false dichotomies.

...we see fundamentalists claim that their right to religion is under attack when in actuality their enemies are fighting for religious freedom. To make matters worse, the only people trying to deny others religious freedom is the fundies themselves!

...we see a certain Christian rejecting evidence, claiming that "It seems I can either believe Colin Powell or Yahweh. I'm leaning towards Colin Powell." At best this is an argument from authority. At worst, this Christian picks what to believe based on nothing more than what he desperately wishes were so.

Scoobmaster · 18th March 2004, 04:44 AM

Excellent post, Brahe. You echo my sentiments and observations from reading debates on those other forums.

Martin · 18th March 2004, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brahe
...we see forums that are supposedly dedicated to Christianity close down the science section due to nonexistent attacks on Christianity

Such as, to take an example completely at random, the RR poster formerly known as Tycho?

c0rbin · 18th March 2004, 09:39 AM

So rarely do threads I start get much response. I was excited to see that people were discussing.

Then i saw a troll was partly the cause.

Too bad.

EdipisReks · 18th March 2004, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by c0rbin
So rarely do threads I start get much response. I was excited to see that people were discussing.

Then i saw a troll was partly the cause.

Too bad.

if that troll doesn't shape up soon, Interesting Ian will have a new friend on my permanent ignore list.

Brahe · 18th March 2004, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Martin
Such as, to take an example completely at random, the RR poster formerly known as Tycho?

What? You've deduced the connection between Tycho and Brahe? Maybe I should change my handle to Kepler to avoid suspicion. :-)

But yeah, that's probably a good example. While at RR I did always try to make it clear that creationism was not Christianity. Despite that, moderators never saw it that way...

16th March 2004, 01:18 PM	#1
c0rbin Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,806	Another forum cracked under the weight of reason Christianity.com, introduced to me by a JREFer named Plidboe had a section on Origins and Cloning. I say "had" because as of this morning, the managment removed it from the discussion area. No more bantering with creationists (one of whom was a science teacher!!). Oh, well. Back to parishing with the converted. It's good to be home.
c0rbin Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,806	__________________ By convention there is color, By convention sweetness, By convention bitterness, But in reality there are atoms and space. --Democritus (c. 400 BCE)

16th March 2004, 02:28 PM	#2
Jas Queen Skankarella of Ho Nation Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,845	What? I can't believe that they did that. Now what am I going to do for fun?
	__________________ "Ah, there's nothing more exciting than science! You get all the fun of sitting still, being quiet, writing down numbers, paying attention... Science has it all!" Lest We Forget

16th March 2004, 02:42 PM	#3
Jas Queen Skankarella of Ho Nation Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,845	From the 'Announcements' forum: The Science & Origins forum has been closed for an indefinite time due to the volume of Terms of Service violations and anti-Christian sentiments being posted there. The S&O forum was intended to be a place to discuss issues as they relate to Christianity, not a place for those who wish to attempt to discredit Christianity or intimidate Christians into mistakenly thinking their faith has been disproven by science. Christianity.com will not tolerate the use of it's website to facilitate those who wish to attack Christianity. If you would like a place to air your opinions that are blatantly anti-biblical then we would suggest that you go to a different site where open discussions of all sorts are welcome. This action has been taken after careful consideration by the administrators of this forum. Please do not try to ask for a reinstatement. Any inquiries of such will be ignored. Esher (Forum Administrator)
	__________________ "Ah, there's nothing more exciting than science! You get all the fun of sitting still, being quiet, writing down numbers, paying attention... Science has it all!" Lest We Forget

16th March 2004, 02:43 PM	#4
Yahweh Ayay ashay ayay Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,029	Quote: Originally posted by Jas What? I can't believe that they did that. Now what am I going to do for fun? Christianforums.com Its not as fun as say RaptureReady, the threads move rather quickly with nothing being accomplished in the name of intellectual discovery, all the crap they have seems to slow down your computer processing speed a great deal, but sometimes I'll throw away a few hours of my freetime on those forums... nothing much better to do with my time...
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16th March 2004, 02:48 PM	#5
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Quote: Originally posted by Yahweh Christianforums.com Its not as fun as say RaptureReady, the threads move rather quickly with nothing being accomplished in the name of intellectual discovery, all the crap they have seems to slow down your computer processing speed a great deal, but sometimes I'll throw away a few hours of my freetime on those forums... nothing much better to do with my time... GET OUT OF THE HOUSE, YOU YOUNG SLOB! Go for a walk. Go to the mall. Go to the movies. Read a book. Try to find a girlfriend (or boyfriend, or whatever you prefer). Just stay away from silly places like RR and ChristianForums in your down time, OK? Sheesh. What a waste of raw talent...
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985

16th March 2004, 03:17 PM	#6
Yahweh Ayay ashay ayay Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,029	Quote: Originally posted by Jas From the 'Announcements' forum: The Science & Origins forum has been closed for an indefinite time due to the volume of Terms of Service violations and anti-Christian sentiments being posted there. The S&O forum was intended to be a place to discuss issues as they relate to Christianity, not a place for those who wish to attempt to discredit Christianity or intimidate Christians into mistakenly thinking their faith has been disproven by science. Christianity.com will not tolerate the use of it's website to facilitate those who wish to attack Christianity. If you would like a place to air your opinions that are blatantly anti-biblical then we would suggest that you go to a different site where open discussions of all sorts are welcome. This action has been taken after careful consideration by the administrators of this forum. Please do not try to ask for a reinstatement. Any inquiries of such will be ignored. Esher (Forum Administrator) Oh! I forgot that good scientific study is nothing but AN OUTRIGHT ATTACK ON CHRISTIANITY ITSELF! Gee, maybe they have a point... I mean, in every science book I've ever read, it opens with the words "The intent and goal of this book is to KILL GOD!!!!!! Welcome to the wonderful world of...". slaps forehead Silly me!
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16th March 2004, 03:24 PM	#7
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	It's an online group hug, not a roundtable discussion group. You've disturbed their karma, but since they don't believe in that, they have no idea what you have disturbed, but you have disturbed theirs anyway. {hands on hips, wags finger} Now look what you've gone and done!
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985

16th March 2004, 10:00 PM	#8
Brahe Scholar Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 121	Quote: Originally posted by Jas From the 'Announcements' forum: The Science & Origins forum has been closed for an indefinite time due to the volume of Terms of Service violations and anti-Christian sentiments being posted there. Ah, this brings back memories of when I posted at Christianity.com. As is the fate of so many skeptics posting on boards like RaptureReady and TheologyWeb and such, I was banned, ostensibly for ToS violoations. And like so many banned skeptics, I'm fairly confident that no ToS violoation occurred, but that the moderators simply didn't like what I was posting. But here's the hilarious part: my "attacks on Christianity" did not consist of philosophy aimed at disproving some claim of an afterlife, nor even did I bring up supposedly anti-Christian science. Rather, I was banned for taking the position that witchcraft had no power because no one could present any evidence for the power of witchcraft! In other words, it's not that the moderators there dislike posts that don't promote Christianity, it's that they simply dislike the idea of debate at all. Quite an odd attitude for voluntary moderators, but also predictable given how many posters over there relied on arguments from authority. Quote: This action has been taken after careful consideration by the administrators of this forum. Please do not try to ask for a reinstatement. Any inquiries of such will be ignored. Once more, they're transparent. It's not that they find such questions repetetive, it's that they have no justification for their move besides, "because we say so!"
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17th March 2004, 07:25 AM	#9
Brian the Snail Muse Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 963	Quote: The S&O forum was intended to be a place to discuss issues as they relate to Christianity, not a place for those who wish to attempt to discredit Christianity or intimidate Christians into mistakenly thinking their faith has been disproven by science. Christianity.com will not tolerate the use of it's website to facilitate those who wish to attack Christianity. If you would like a place to air your opinions that are blatantly anti-biblical then we would suggest that you go to a different site where open discussions of all sorts are welcome. In other words: "reasoned debate makes baby Jesus cry." Well look at this way, it could have been worse. Remember what they used to do with heretics...
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17th March 2004, 09:23 AM	#10
Scoobmaster Thinker Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 130	Quote: Originally posted by Yahweh Christianforums.com Its not as fun as say RaptureReady, the threads move rather quickly with nothing being accomplished in the name of intellectual discovery, all the crap they have seems to slow down your computer processing speed a great deal, but sometimes I'll throw away a few hours of my freetime on those forums... nothing much better to do with my time... Hey Yahweh - what is your username over there at Christianforums.com? I don't recall seing your JREF ID there (let me guess - not allowed??). I have seen sparklecat post there, but she does so as "sparklecat". Any other JREFers post there under IDs that you don't mind making known so we can recognize each other? (I am Scoobmaster there too, just have not posted anything yet )
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17th March 2004, 09:29 AM	#11
c0rbin Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,806	I actually was able to have reasonable debates with some of the posters on Christianity.com (and not just the ones on "my team"). I was truly pressed by an IDer and gained some insight and practice at being contentious with being an a$$.
c0rbin Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,806	__________________ By convention there is color, By convention sweetness, By convention bitterness, But in reality there are atoms and space. --Democritus (c. 400 BCE)

17th March 2004, 09:30 AM	#12
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 53,128	Quote: Originally posted by Brian the Snail In other words: "reasoned debate makes baby Jesus cry."
	__________________ Ego, ain't it a bitch? It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion. --Adam Smith

17th March 2004, 09:37 AM	#13
Martin Sceptic Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 898	Quote: Originally posted by Scoobmaster Any other JREFers post there under IDs that you don't mind making known so we can recognize each other? I'm there as MartinM.
Martin Sceptic Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 898	__________________ So the Universe is not quite as you thought it was. You had better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the Universe. Isaac Asimov and Robert Silverberg, Nightfall

17th March 2004, 10:51 AM	#14
Scoobmaster Thinker Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 130	Quote: Originally posted by Martin I'm there as MartinM. Cool - Thanks! I think I have seen some of your posts there in either Science or General Apologetics. What prompted me to ask the question besides Yahweh's post was seeing a posters avatar tthere on Christionforums (a bear - I think the userid is "Grizzly") show up here as an avatr too (darned if I can remember the poster's ID here)
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17th March 2004, 03:35 PM	#15
Yahweh Ayay ashay ayay Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,029	Quote: Originally posted by Scoobmaster Hey Yahweh - what is your username over there at Christianforums.com? I don't recall seing your JREF ID there (let me guess - not allowed??). I have seen sparklecat post there, but she does so as "sparklecat". Any other JREFers post there under IDs that you don't mind making known so we can recognize each other? (I am Scoobmaster there too, just have not posted anything yet ) Well I'll just put it like this: If anyone can figure out all of the usernames I use on that board, they deserve a medal. Paranoia intensifies Helpful hints: I'm not LogicalChallenger, I'm not USIncognito, and Iacchus figured out at least one username. I have to call myself a "very Liberal Christian" to post on the Questions About Christianity boards (I recieved a PM from one of the moderators requesting that the only people who can reply to posts on that board are Christians). On one or two occasions, my posts have been removed for "Debating in the Questions About Christianity forum" (I noticed that forum has been moved out of the Debate genre... hmmm...). I've recieved quite a few comments (and one accusation of being influenced by Satan) for my posts and interpretation of the bible. I've seen the same debates that exist on ChristianForums.com from one year ago being debated today. Same topics, new faces, next year lather, rinse, and repeat process all over again.
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17th March 2004, 04:01 PM	#16
Riddick Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Lincoln, NE Posts: 867	Quote: Originally posted by Yahweh Christianforums.com Its not as fun as say RaptureReady, the threads move rather quickly with nothing being accomplished in the name of intellectual discovery, all the crap they have seems to slow down your computer processing speed a great deal, but sometimes I'll throw away a few hours of my freetime on those forums... nothing much better to do with my time... Here at JREF we have the peak of intellectual discovery. And by God (I didn't really say that did I??!) the Christians are such simpletons. Intellectualism > Christianity. It's just defined that way!! Because we're intellectuals --- NOTHING CAN STOP US! DEAR GOD I FEEL THE INTELLECTUAL FORCE NOW...please pass the toilet paper, my stall is out. ty

17th March 2004, 04:11 PM	#17
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Quote: Originally posted by Riddick Here at JREF we have the peak of intellectual discovery. And by God (I didn't really say that did I??!) the Christians are such simpletons. Intellectualism > Christianity. It's just defined that way!! Because we're intellectuals --- NOTHING CAN STOP US! DEAR GOD I FEEL THE INTELLECTUAL FORCE NOW...please pass the toilet paper, my stall is out. ty I'm glad you're not a "typical" Christian, sonny. Scatology is SO passe.
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985

17th March 2004, 04:16 PM	#18
Riddick Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Lincoln, NE Posts: 867	Quote: Originally posted by Zep I'm glad you're not a "typical" Christian, sonny. Scatology is SO passe. Hmm. You used "passe" in a sentence. Rhymes with "gay."

17th March 2004, 06:11 PM	#19
Yahweh Ayay ashay ayay Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,029	Quote: Originally posted by Riddick Here at JREF we have the peak of intellectual discovery. And by God (I didn't really say that did I??!) the Christians are such simpletons. Intellectualism > Christianity. It's just defined that way!! Because we're intellectuals --- NOTHING CAN STOP US! DEAR GOD I FEEL THE INTELLECTUAL FORCE NOW...please pass the toilet paper, my stall is out. ty Tears page from the Bible Your welcome.
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17th March 2004, 06:47 PM	#20
c4ts Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Your base Posts: 8,427	Riddick, perhaps you should try to be more intellectual yourself instead supporting your own misconceptions with empty attacks.
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17th March 2004, 08:54 PM	#21
Riddick Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Lincoln, NE Posts: 867	Quote: Originally posted by c4ts Riddick, perhaps you should try to be more intellectual yourself instead supporting your own misconceptions with empty attacks. I really should, but some people say things sooo stupid, I just can't resist them. It's a vicious circle. I really should just take into account they're mostly young people and go on about my way.

17th March 2004, 08:58 PM	#22
WinAce Scholar Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 74	Brahe: Hi again. Amazing how we both seem to pop up repeatedly on the exact same multitude of web boards. I still need to track down nat/Joe Chip though so we can all have a big POD reunion party. Quote: Originally posted by Scoobmaster Any other JREFers post there under IDs that you don't mind making known so we can recognize each other? With my post count, I can't legitimately refer to myself as a "JREFer," but just for the record I have the same name over there as here.
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17th March 2004, 09:25 PM	#23
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Quote: Originally posted by Riddick Hmm. You used "passe" in a sentence. Rhymes with "gay." Really? Is "Riddick" short for "ridiculous"?
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17th March 2004, 09:46 PM	#24
neutrino_cannon Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seventh circle of limbo Posts: 2,571	Quote: Originally posted by Riddick Hmm. You used "passe" in a sentence. Rhymes with "gay." Did I ever tell you you're really cute? You should come to my place sometime. We could play checkers. Reasoned debaters are like monoatomic hydrogen, they slip through the smallest cracks, and can react to about anything. Now... if only hydrogen were not diatomic... we'd be going places.
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17th March 2004, 09:49 PM	#25
Some Friggin Guy Muse Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 860	Quote: Originally posted by Zep Really? Is "Riddick" short for "ridiculous"? Well, we could use his logic about fundie = fun die... No, that would be wrong and incredibly juvenile.
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17th March 2004, 10:25 PM	#26
Brahe Scholar Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 121	Quote: Originally posted by Riddick Here at JREF we have the peak of intellectual discovery. And by God (I didn't really say that did I??!) the Christians are such simpletons. Intellectualism > Christianity. It's just defined that way!! Because we're intellectuals --- NOTHING CAN STOP US! DEAR GOD I FEEL THE INTELLECTUAL FORCE NOW...please pass the toilet paper, my stall is out. ty Riddick, this stereotype, insofar as it exists, is hardly an elaborate illusion constructed by non-fundamentalists. Why does it exist at all? Why does this stereotype go as far as it does? It's because... ...we see forums that are supposedly dedicated to Christianity close down the science section due to nonexistent attacks on Christianity. ...we see ostensibly Christian forums whose moderators ban members not due to violations of terms of services but due to those members honestly debating. Indeed, those same "Christian" moderators overlook blatant violations from members who toe the official line. ...we see creationists claim that all True Christians are anti-science buffoons, and those willing to accept science are nothing more than salad-bar Christians. ...we see Pascal's Wager brandied about endlessly, no matter how many times it's been explained as fallacious. For that matter, we also see God of the Gaps, argument from design, and false dichotomies. ...we see fundamentalists claim that their right to religion is under attack when in actuality their enemies are fighting for religious freedom. To make matters worse, the only people trying to deny others religious freedom is the fundies themselves! ...we see a certain Christian rejecting evidence, claiming that "It seems I can either believe Colin Powell or Yahweh. I'm leaning towards Colin Powell." At best this is an argument from authority. At worst, this Christian picks what to believe based on nothing more than what he desperately wishes were so.
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18th March 2004, 04:44 AM	#27
Scoobmaster Thinker Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 130	Excellent post, Brahe. You echo my sentiments and observations from reading debates on those other forums.
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18th March 2004, 08:29 AM	#28
Martin Sceptic Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 898	Quote: Originally posted by Brahe ...we see forums that are supposedly dedicated to Christianity close down the science section due to nonexistent attacks on Christianity Such as, to take an example completely at random, the RR poster formerly known as Tycho?
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18th March 2004, 09:39 AM	#29
c0rbin Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,806	So rarely do threads I start get much response. I was excited to see that people were discussing. Then i saw a troll was partly the cause. Too bad.
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18th March 2004, 11:58 AM	#30
EdipisReks Custom Title Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The 'Nati Posts: 1,952	Quote: Originally posted by c0rbin So rarely do threads I start get much response. I was excited to see that people were discussing. Then i saw a troll was partly the cause. Too bad. if that troll doesn't shape up soon, Interesting Ian will have a new friend on my permanent ignore list.
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18th March 2004, 12:36 PM	#31
Brahe Scholar Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 121	Quote: Originally posted by Martin *Such as, to take an example completely* at random, the RR poster formerly known as Tycho?** What? You've deduced the connection between Tycho and Brahe? Maybe I should change my handle to Kepler to avoid suspicion. :-) But yeah, that's probably a good example. While at RR I did always try to make it clear that creationism was not Christianity. Despite that, moderators never saw it that way...
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