Response to 10-23 Homeopathy Overdose

HawaiiBigSis · 12th February 2011, 12:57 AM

So in today's edition of NaturalNews, the author responds to some of the 10-23 demonstrations against homeopathy.

I really love these two quotes, in particular:

Quote:

Homeopathy, you see, isn't a drug. It's not a chemical. So you can drink all you want and you won't overdose on it. That's not a defect in homeopathy -- it's a remarkable advantage!

<snip>

But homeopathy isn't a chemical. It's a resonance. A vibration, or a harmony. It's the restructuring of water to resonate with the particular energy of a plant or substance.

It's a resonance? I never heard that before.

He goes on. His explanation of particle physics is quite interesting:

Quote:

For now, they've all convinced themselves that electrons are -- get this -- tiny "particles" flying around atomic nuclei and tremendous speeds which just happen to stay in their little orbits like little perpetual motion machines (which they say are impossible), until all of a sudden, these electron "particles" inexplicably leap to a higher or lower orbit without occupying the space in-between those orbits at any moment. Yep, magic teleporting particles! That's the "scientific" explanation of these folks. No wonder so many of them are magicians: Believing their explanations requires that you believe in particle magic!

Yeah. Most magicians believe in his definition of magic.

Unfortunately people believe his swill.

I subscribed to this newsletter because some people I love and care about were passing a copy of it around one night, and agreeing with what it said. (On a different subject, but equally idiotic.)

He also challenges "homeopathy skeptics" to take any traditional medicine the way they took the homeopathic medicine. They won't, he says, because they KNOW IT WILL HARM YOU!!! Oh Heavens!!

Um, yeah, they know it actually does something. Unlike your "resonance"-based water. What if I'm not vibrating at the same wavelength? Am I SOL?

Zep · 12th February 2011, 01:07 AM

NaturalNews? That would be known kook, insane-asylum escapee and lawsuit-dodger "Health Ranger".

I wonder if his followers realise he lives in Colombia (that's Colombia, the woe begotten lawless country in South America), to avoid lawsuits from people and companies in the USA who he regularly defames, etc. It's long been known it isn't the homeopathic remedies he is imbibing that make him talk like that. It's other, more potent, Colombian plant products...!

From his own website:

Quote:

The NaturalNews Network is owned and operated by Truth Publishing International, Ltd., a Taiwan corporation.

welshdean · 12th February 2011, 01:40 AM

I've never been a believer in homoeopathy, but that might now be changing. You see I only read a little of his article but it made my brain hurt a lot. There may be something in it after all.

SusanB-M1 · 12th February 2011, 06:16 AM

It's funny of course ... but still one has to shake one's head in disbelief that such widespread gullibility is rife.

Beerina · 12th February 2011, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Homeopathy, you see, isn't a drug. It's not a chemical. So you can drink all you want and you won't overdose on it. That's not a defect in homeopathy -- it's a remarkable advantage!

However, that it does nothing at all is a much more parsimonious explanation. Now, how to we separate homeopathic theory from the theory it does nothing at all?

I know, let's test it!

Quote:

But homeopathy isn't a chemical. It's a resonance. A vibration, or a harmony. It's the restructuring of water to resonate with the particular energy of a plant or substance.

I follow what I like to call as "Randi's Rule", or "Before you bother explaining something, first show the phenomenon even exists." This has been done over and over, showing Fail. Homeopathy has no effect beyond placebo.

Emet · 12th February 2011, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by Zep

NaturalNews? That would be known kook, insane-asylum escapee and lawsuit-dodger "Health Ranger".

Science-Based Medicine wrote about Mike Adams:

Quote:

Mike Adams, as regular readers may know, runs the website NaturalNews.com from deep in the jungles of Ecuador. His website is a one-stop shop, a repository if you will, of virtually every quackery known to humankind, all slathered with a heaping, helping of unrelenting hostility to science-based medicine and science in general. True, Mike Adams is not as big as, say, Joe Mercola, whose website, as far as I can tell, appears to draw more traffic than NaturalNews.com, but what Adams lacks in fame he makes up for in sheer crazy.

link

dafydd · 12th February 2011, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by welshdean

I've never been a believer in homoeopathy, but that might now be changing. You see I only read a little of his article but it made my brain hurt a lot. There may be something in it after all.

I hope that you're joking. Arhosa sane,bachgen.

Zep · 13th February 2011, 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by Emet

Science-Based Medicine wrote about Mike Adams:

Quote:

Mike Adams, as regular readers may know, runs the website NaturalNews.com from deep in the jungles of Ecuador. His website is a one-stop shop, a repository if you will, of virtually every quackery known to humankind, all slathered with a heaping, helping of unrelenting hostility to science-based medicine and science in general. True, Mike Adams is not as big as, say, Joe Mercola, whose website, as far as I can tell, appears to draw more traffic than NaturalNews.com, but what Adams lacks in fame he makes up for in sheer crazy.

link

Damn it! I remembered the wrong backward, lawless, drug-raddled South American tin-pot republic for Health Ranger!

Note to self: Must care less.

George152 · 13th February 2011, 12:01 PM

As I understand it homeopathetic can and does cure thirst

HawaiiBigSis · 13th February 2011, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by George152

As I understand it homeopathetic can and does cure thirst

Good point! We must remember to give appropriate credit, when credit is due.

Mirrorglass · 13th February 2011, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by George152

As I understand it homeopathetic can and does cure thirst

A valid point - although it should be noted that there are natural cures to this ailment that are, quite often, a far cheaper alternative.

Also, certain homeophatic remedies are also known to cure sobriety.

welshdean · 13th February 2011, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by dafydd

I hope that you're joking. Arhosa sane,bachgen.

Don't be twp mun, read it again and note the italics.

I do like your new avatar young man.

Zep · 13th February 2011, 02:51 PM

Actually, a standard homeopathioc remedy dose will NOT even cure thirst. It is usually only one drop, and that once or twice a day at most (it's "powerful stuff"!

).

Lord Emsworth · 13th February 2011, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Zep

Actually, a standard homeopathioc remedy dose will NOT even cure thirst. It is usually only one drop, and that once or twice a day at most (it's "powerful stuff"!

).

Maybe Homeopathy works better the less you take?

Oh wait ...

nvidiot · 13th February 2011, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by George152

As I understand it homeopathetic can and does cure thirst

Heck it cant even claim that! That particular malady is incurable and any relief provided (by anything really) is only temporary.

Mirrorglass · 13th February 2011, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by nvidiot

Heck it cant even claim that! That particular malady is incurable and any relief provided (by anything really) is only temporary.

Well, actually, if you only ingest homeopathic amounts of the remedy, then in a few days the problem will go away permantently. It's the overdosing that makes the problem return.

Mojo · 13th February 2011, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Zep

Actually, a standard homeopathioc remedy dose will NOT even cure thirst. It is usually only one drop, and that once or twice a day at most (it's "powerful stuff"!

).

And the drop has usually been allowed to evaporate from a sugar pill that is then given to the patient.

Zep · 13th February 2011, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by Mojo

And the drop has usually been allowed to evaporate from a sugar pill that is then given to the patient.

Well, not really.

It's been allowed to evaporate from a sugar pill, sure.

But then that pill has been put in a bottle with hundreds of other plain sugar pills which are all shaken together to "transfer the memory" of the remedy to them all.

Then that bottle is allowed to stand next to another bottle of blank pills for a while, to transfer the memory once again to the second bottle. In some cases, it is also possible to transfer the memory via telephone or even the internet (Beneviste's ultimate theory).

It is a pill from this second bottle that is considered the most potent.

PS. Lurkers, I'm NOT kidding! This is how homeopaths really do think.

rjh01 · 13th February 2011, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by Zep

Well, not really.

It's been allowed to evaporate from a sugar pill, sure.

But then that pill has been put in a bottle with hundreds of other plain sugar pills which are all shaken together to "transfer the memory" of the remedy to them all.

Then that bottle is allowed to stand next to another bottle of blank pills for a while, to transfer the memory once again to the second bottle. In some cases, it is also possible to transfer the memory via telephone or even the internet (Beneviste's ultimate theory).

It is a pill from this second bottle that is considered the most potent.

PS. Lurkers, I'm NOT kidding! This is how homeopaths really do think.

Can you give a reference for that please?

Zep · 14th February 2011, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by rjh01

Can you give a reference for that please?

http://www.alternativetherapyadvice....lternative.htm

Quote:

Ah! A question!! You don't got it, but a good guess!

There are two ways of doing "grafts" with remedies: wet grafting and dry grafting.

With WET grafting, you take one or more granules (30th potency or above), and add a bit of alcohol, then fill the vial with new (blank) granules. The new granules take on the potency of the original, i.e., if you use a 1M globule, the new vial will be a 1M.

With DRY grafting, you just wait until your bottle has only a few granules left, and then add more granules-- without using alcohol.

Many of the older homeopaths would dry graft remedies by just refilling the bottle when it got low.

Dry grafting was first mentioned in the 1830s by Korsakov, the Russian homeopath.

A conversation could be like this:
Homeopath 1: "Hi. I'm looking for a CM of Sanicula. Have any?"
Homeopath 2: "Yes, I do. I'll send a bottle your way."

and Homeopath 2 would dry graft a small vial of blanks with one or two granules of the CM Sanicula, and mail it off.

http://www.otherhealth.com/homeopath...12-grafts.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_m...quent_research

Mojo · 14th February 2011, 01:05 AM

See also paper remedies.

dafydd · 14th February 2011, 02:48 AM

Originally Posted by welshdean

Don't be twp mun, read it again and note the italics.

I do like your new avatar young man.

Just checking. Cymru am byth!

rjh01 · 14th February 2011, 03:22 AM

Yes, thanks. The links are very funny. Could only be written by people who are stupid.

Zep · 14th February 2011, 04:15 AM

SNORTING REMEDIES.

Quote:

Still the homoeopathic theory did not bother much about considerations of physical presence of matter, as well illustrated by the olfaction technique (used uptoday). It is a method of dispensing potentized homoeopathic remedies, introduced by Hahnemann. As he wrote to Bönninghausen in a letter of 28.04.1833: "the homoeopathic physician ... could dispense his own remedies by simply applying the small bottle every fortnight to both nostrils of his chronic patient who comes to visit him, or at the bedside of the acute patient, without even allowing him to swallow the smallest amount of material medicine. His conception of its mechanism of action can be seen from his wordings in the §288 of the 5th Edition of the Organon where he says that "it is especially in the form of vapour, by olfaction and inhalation of the medicinal aura <emphasis added> that is always emanating from a globule impregnated with a medicinal fluid in a high development of power,... that the homoeopathic remedies act most surely and most powerfully."

http://nature-help.com/english/healing/homeopathy.htm

Zep · 14th February 2011, 04:20 AM

HOMEOPATHS AND HAHNEMANN DISAGREE WITH "HEALTH RANGER" ON OVERDOSING.
And they actually agree with the 10^23 position! Little do they know it, of course...

Quote:

Astro wrote
"this is why i think he has failed to help me so far.

he might be coming up with good remedies but giving me duds."

Not because of duds, but because he gives too much.

“a medicine does harm in every dose that is too large. In strong doses it does more harm, the greater its homoeopathicity and the higher the potency selected. Too large doses, especially when frequently repeated, bring about much trouble as a rule.
(Organon § 276)"

http://forums.hpathy.com/forum_posts...ing-bad-grafts

Kuko 4000 · 14th February 2011, 05:46 AM

Quote:

But then that pill has been put in a bottle with hundreds of other plain sugar pills which are all shaken together to "transfer the memory" of the remedy to them all.

Then that bottle is allowed to stand next to another bottle of blank pills for a while, to transfer the memory once again to the second bottle. In some cases, it is also possible to transfer the memory via telephone or even the internet (Beneviste's ultimate theory).

Can anyone find clear references to these "techniques" from any official homeopathy site? Not from message boards, but coming straight from the official guidelines. Or from Hahnemann himself, of course.

Kuko 4000 · 14th February 2011, 05:48 AM

Quote:

“a medicine does harm in every dose that is too large. In strong doses it does more harm, the greater its homoeopathicity and the higher the potency selected. Too large doses, especially when frequently repeated, bring about much trouble as a rule.
(Organon § 276)"

I noticed that too:

12th February 2011, 12:57 AM	#1
HawaiiBigSis List Management Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Under the rainbow Posts: 5,026	Response to 10-23 Homeopathy Overdose So in today's edition of NaturalNews, the author responds to some of the 10-23 demonstrations against homeopathy. I really love these two quotes, in particular: Quote: Homeopathy, you see, isn't a drug. It's not a chemical. So you can drink all you want and you won't overdose on it. That's not a defect in homeopathy -- it's a remarkable advantage! <snip> But homeopathy isn't a chemical. It's a resonance. A vibration, or a harmony. It's the restructuring of water to resonate with the particular energy of a plant or substance. It's a resonance? I never heard that before. He goes on. His explanation of particle physics is quite interesting: Quote: For now, they've all convinced themselves that electrons are -- get this -- tiny "particles" flying around atomic nuclei and tremendous speeds which just happen to stay in their little orbits like little perpetual motion machines (which they say are impossible), until all of a sudden, these electron "particles" inexplicably leap to a higher or lower orbit without occupying the space in-between those orbits at any moment. Yep, magic teleporting particles! That's the "scientific" explanation of these folks. No wonder so many of them are magicians: Believing their explanations requires that you believe in particle magic! Yeah. Most magicians believe in his definition of magic. Unfortunately people believe his swill. I subscribed to this newsletter because some people I love and care about were passing a copy of it around one night, and agreeing with what it said. (On a different subject, but equally idiotic.) He also challenges "homeopathy skeptics" to take any traditional medicine the way they took the homeopathic medicine. They won't, he says, because they KNOW IT WILL HARM YOU!!! Oh Heavens!! Um, yeah, they know it actually does something. Unlike your "resonance"-based water. What if I'm not vibrating at the same wavelength? Am I SOL?
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12th February 2011, 01:07 AM	#2
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	NaturalNews? That would be known kook, insane-asylum escapee and lawsuit-dodger "Health Ranger". I wonder if his followers realise he lives in Colombia (that's Colombia, the woe begotten lawless country in South America), to avoid lawsuits from people and companies in the USA who he regularly defames, etc. It's long been known it isn't the homeopathic remedies he is imbibing that make him talk like that. It's other, more potent, Colombian plant products...! From his own website: Quote: The NaturalNews Network is owned and operated by Truth Publishing International, Ltd., a Taiwan corporation.
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12th February 2011, 01:40 AM	#3
welshdean 2012 6Nations Grand Slam -------CHAMPIONS------- Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Spitting in Andrew Wakefields eye Posts: 1,397	I've never been a believer in homoeopathy, but that might now be changing. You see I only read a little of his article but it made my brain hurt a lot. There may be something in it after all.
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12th February 2011, 06:16 AM	#4
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12th February 2011, 06:41 AM	#5
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A floating island above the clouds Posts: 23,835	Quote: Homeopathy, you see, isn't a drug. It's not a chemical. So you can drink all you want and you won't overdose on it. That's not a defect in homeopathy -- it's a remarkable advantage! However, that it does nothing at all is a much more parsimonious explanation. Now, how to we separate homeopathic theory from the theory it does nothing at all? I know, let's test it! Quote: But homeopathy isn't a chemical. It's a resonance. A vibration, or a harmony. It's the restructuring of water to resonate with the particular energy of a plant or substance. I follow what I like to call as "Randi's Rule", or "Before you bother explaining something, first show the phenomenon even exists." This has been done over and over, showing Fail. Homeopathy has no effect beyond placebo.
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12th February 2011, 06:56 AM	#6
Emet Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,395	Originally Posted by Zep NaturalNews? That would be known kook, insane-asylum escapee and lawsuit-dodger "Health Ranger". Science-Based Medicine wrote about Mike Adams: Quote: Mike Adams, as regular readers may know, runs the website NaturalNews.com from deep in the jungles of Ecuador. His website is a one-stop shop, a repository if you will, of virtually every quackery known to humankind, all slathered with a heaping, helping of unrelenting hostility to science-based medicine and science in general. True, Mike Adams is not as big as, say, Joe Mercola, whose website, as far as I can tell, appears to draw more traffic than NaturalNews.com, but what Adams lacks in fame he makes up for in sheer crazy. link
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12th February 2011, 01:52 PM	#7
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,441	Originally Posted by welshdean I've never been a believer in homoeopathy, but that might now be changing. You see I only read a little of his article but it made my brain hurt a lot. There may be something in it after all. I hope that you're joking. Arhosa sane,bachgen.

13th February 2011, 01:48 AM	#8
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Originally Posted by Emet Science-Based Medicine wrote about Mike Adams: Quote: Mike Adams, as regular readers may know, runs the website NaturalNews.com from deep in the jungles of Ecuador. His website is a one-stop shop, a repository if you will, of virtually every quackery known to humankind, all slathered with a heaping, helping of unrelenting hostility to science-based medicine and science in general. True, Mike Adams is not as big as, say, Joe Mercola, whose website, as far as I can tell, appears to draw more traffic than NaturalNews.com, but what Adams lacks in fame he makes up for in sheer crazy. link Damn it! I remembered the wrong backward, lawless, drug-raddled South American tin-pot republic for Health Ranger! Note to self: Must care less.
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13th February 2011, 12:01 PM	#9
George152 Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hamilton New Zealand Posts: 2,041	As I understand it homeopathetic can and does cure thirst
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13th February 2011, 01:36 PM	#10
HawaiiBigSis List Management Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Under the rainbow Posts: 5,026	Originally Posted by George152 As I understand it homeopathetic can and does cure thirst Good point! We must remember to give appropriate credit, when credit is due.
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13th February 2011, 02:15 PM	#11
Mirrorglass Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 3,474	Originally Posted by George152 As I understand it homeopathetic can and does cure thirst A valid point - although it should be noted that there are natural cures to this ailment that are, quite often, a far cheaper alternative. Also, certain homeophatic remedies are also known to cure sobriety.
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13th February 2011, 02:17 PM	#12
welshdean 2012 6Nations Grand Slam -------CHAMPIONS------- Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Spitting in Andrew Wakefields eye Posts: 1,397	Originally Posted by dafydd I hope that you're joking. Arhosa sane,bachgen. Don't be twp mun, read it again and note the italics. I do like your new avatar young man.
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13th February 2011, 02:51 PM	#13
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Actually, a standard homeopathioc remedy dose will NOT even cure thirst. It is usually only one drop, and that once or twice a day at most (it's "powerful stuff"! ).
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13th February 2011, 03:06 PM	#14
Lord Emsworth Je ne suis pas une de vos élèves Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Through the Cables and the Underground ... Posts: 2,827	Originally Posted by Zep Actually, a standard homeopathioc remedy dose will NOT even cure thirst. It is usually only one drop, and that once or twice a day at most (it's "powerful stuff"! ). Maybe Homeopathy works better the less you take? Oh wait ...

13th February 2011, 03:11 PM	#15
nvidiot Botanical Jedi Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,793	Originally Posted by George152 As I understand it homeopathetic can and does cure thirst Heck it cant even claim that! That particular malady is incurable and any relief provided (by anything really) is only temporary.
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13th February 2011, 04:01 PM	#16
Mirrorglass Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 3,474	Originally Posted by nvidiot Heck it cant even claim that! That particular malady is incurable and any relief provided (by anything really) is only temporary. Well, actually, if you only ingest homeopathic amounts of the remedy, then in a few days the problem will go away permantently. It's the overdosing that makes the problem return.
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13th February 2011, 04:08 PM	#17
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,066	Originally Posted by Zep Actually, a standard homeopathioc remedy dose will NOT even cure thirst. It is usually only one drop, and that once or twice a day at most (it's "powerful stuff"! ). And the drop has usually been allowed to evaporate from a sugar pill that is then given to the patient.
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13th February 2011, 10:50 PM	#18
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Originally Posted by Mojo And the drop has usually been allowed to evaporate from a sugar pill that is then given to the patient. Well, not really. It's been allowed to evaporate from a sugar pill, sure. But then that pill has been put in a bottle with hundreds of other plain sugar pills which are all shaken together to "transfer the memory" of the remedy to them all. Then that bottle is allowed to stand next to another bottle of blank pills for a while, to transfer the memory once again to the second bottle. In some cases, it is also possible to transfer the memory via telephone or even the internet (Beneviste's ultimate theory). It is a pill from this second bottle that is considered the most potent. PS. Lurkers, I'm NOT kidding! This is how homeopaths really do think.
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13th February 2011, 11:06 PM	#19
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 17,164	Originally Posted by Zep Well, not really. It's been allowed to evaporate from a sugar pill, sure. But then that pill has been put in a bottle with hundreds of other plain sugar pills which are all shaken together to "transfer the memory" of the remedy to them all. Then that bottle is allowed to stand next to another bottle of blank pills for a while, to transfer the memory once again to the second bottle. In some cases, it is also possible to transfer the memory via telephone or even the internet (Beneviste's ultimate theory). It is a pill from this second bottle that is considered the most potent. PS. Lurkers, I'm NOT kidding! This is how homeopaths really do think. Can you give a reference for that please?

14th February 2011, 12:59 AM	#20
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Originally Posted by rjh01 Can you give a reference for that please? http://www.alternativetherapyadvice....lternative.htm Quote: Ah! A question!! You don't got it, but a good guess! There are two ways of doing "grafts" with remedies: wet grafting and dry grafting. With WET grafting, you take one or more granules (30th potency or above), and add a bit of alcohol, then fill the vial with new (blank) granules. The new granules take on the potency of the original, i.e., if you use a 1M globule, the new vial will be a 1M. With DRY grafting, you just wait until your bottle has only a few granules left, and then add more granules-- without using alcohol. Many of the older homeopaths would dry graft remedies by just refilling the bottle when it got low. Dry grafting was first mentioned in the 1830s by Korsakov, the Russian homeopath. A conversation could be like this: Homeopath 1: "Hi. I'm looking for a CM of Sanicula. Have any?" Homeopath 2: "Yes, I do. I'll send a bottle your way." and Homeopath 2 would dry graft a small vial of blanks with one or two granules of the CM Sanicula, and mail it off. http://www.otherhealth.com/homeopath...12-grafts.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_m...quent_research
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14th February 2011, 01:05 AM	#21
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,066	See also paper remedies.
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14th February 2011, 02:48 AM	#22
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,441	Originally Posted by welshdean Don't be twp mun, read it again and note the italics. I do like your new avatar young man. Just checking. Cymru am byth!

14th February 2011, 03:22 AM	#23
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 17,164	Yes, thanks. The links are very funny. Could only be written by people who are stupid.

14th February 2011, 04:15 AM	#24
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	SNORTING REMEDIES. Quote: Still the homoeopathic theory did not bother much about considerations of physical presence of matter, as well illustrated by the olfaction technique (used uptoday). It is a method of dispensing potentized homoeopathic remedies, introduced by Hahnemann. As he wrote to Bönninghausen in a letter of 28.04.1833: "the homoeopathic physician ... could dispense his own remedies by simply applying the small bottle every fortnight to both nostrils of his chronic patient who comes to visit him, or at the bedside of the acute patient, without even allowing him to swallow the smallest amount of material medicine. His conception of its mechanism of action can be seen from his wordings in the §288 of the 5th Edition of the Organon where he says that "it is especially in the form of vapour, by olfaction and inhalation of the medicinal aura <emphasis added> that is always emanating from a globule impregnated with a medicinal fluid in a high development of power,... that the homoeopathic remedies act most surely and most powerfully." http://nature-help.com/english/healing/homeopathy.htm
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985

14th February 2011, 04:20 AM	#25
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	HOMEOPATHS AND HAHNEMANN DISAGREE WITH "HEALTH RANGER" ON OVERDOSING. And they actually agree with the 10^23 position! Little do they know it, of course... Quote: Astro wrote "this is why i think he has failed to help me so far. he might be coming up with good remedies but giving me duds." Not because of duds, but because he gives too much. “a medicine does harm in every dose that is too large. In strong doses it does more harm, the greater its homoeopathicity and the higher the potency selected. Too large doses, especially when frequently repeated, bring about much trouble as a rule. (Organon § 276)" http://forums.hpathy.com/forum_posts...ing-bad-grafts
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985

14th February 2011, 05:46 AM	#26
Kuko 4000 Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 1,550	Quote: But then that pill has been put in a bottle with hundreds of other plain sugar pills which are all shaken together to "transfer the memory" of the remedy to them all. Then that bottle is allowed to stand next to another bottle of blank pills for a while, to transfer the memory once again to the second bottle. In some cases, it is also possible to transfer the memory via telephone or even the internet (Beneviste's ultimate theory). Can anyone find clear references to these "techniques" from any official homeopathy site? Not from message boards, but coming straight from the official guidelines. Or from Hahnemann himself, of course.
	__________________ Richard Dawkins: "We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." Pixie of key: "HOW IS YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT I AM GIVING LECTURES ON A PROBLEM." Last edited by Kuko 4000; 14th February 2011 at 06:08 AM.

14th February 2011, 05:48 AM	#27
Kuko 4000 Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 1,550	Quote: “a medicine does harm in every dose that is too large. In strong doses it does more harm, the greater its homoeopathicity and the higher the potency selected. Too large doses, especially when frequently repeated, bring about much trouble as a rule. (Organon § 276)" I noticed that too:
	__________________ Richard Dawkins: "We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." Pixie of key: "HOW IS YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT I AM GIVING LECTURES ON A PROBLEM."