CNN, Fair and Balanced, "The Far Right Speaks"

Beerina · 12th February 2011, 07:51 AM

Watching the Egypt stuff on CNN ATM.

"Here in the US, the influential conservative movement has its say on what's happening in Egypt. Up next, we're heading live to the CPAC convention in Washington -- what they have to say about the uprising just might surprise you, so stick around."

Headline at the bottom of the screen, "The Far Right Speaks". Umm, this is basically the Republicans, including some of the Tea Party impetus, that just took control of the House of Representatives.

I now leave the field open for snarky comments and responses.

Hutch · 12th February 2011, 09:17 AM

Well, they were going to talk to folks at CPAC, where Ron Paul gets ovations and won the 2008 presidential straw poll, so I think they may have a right to use that moniker...depending on who they interviewed....

The Fallen Serpent · 12th February 2011, 11:14 AM

Far Right and Far Left can both be difficult concepts to peg down. It certainly changes. I am unaware of CPAC being supportive of a centrist positions in general. In 2010 the closing speaker was Glen Beck who spoke about the disease of Progessivism and was sponsored by the John Birch Society. Of course, that year and this year included sponsorship by GOProud which I think is generally not considered Far Right since they are more fiscal conservatives than social conservatives. Previous years were very supportive of Mitt Romney and John McCain who are generally considered moderate conservatives. Some of its traditional supporters are breaking ties claiming it is becoming more Libertarian instead of pure Conservative.

I suspect it probably changes with the general trends of the major conservative movements. The Republican Party has had a general shift further right in recent years. Younger conservatives appear to have a generally libertarian (movement, not party) bent.

Though I generally think of Far right as just meaning staunchly conservative, clearly not moderate or centrist. Extreme right and radical right have different connotations in my mind. So perhaps I am looking at it differently than is the usual, and far right is supposed to mean extreme right.

JudeBrando · 12th February 2011, 02:40 PM

Who is "far-left"? Who is a "left-wing extremist"? Who is an "arch ultra left-winger"?

Does the bird have one wing?

The Fallen Serpent · 12th February 2011, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by JudeBrando

Who is "far-left"?

I am.

Quote:

Who is a "left-wing extremist"?

Michael Moore.

Quote:

Who is an "arch ultra left-winger"?

Not mine but I think it qualifies.

Quote:

Does the bird have one wing?

If you cut one off.

Gord_in_Toronto · 12th February 2011, 06:09 PM

Michael Moore a left-wing extremist?

By the poo of the beloved Invisible Pink Uniform (bless Her name) you Americans sure are funny.

JihadJane · 12th February 2011, 06:18 PM

The Democrats are Republicans.

kellyb · 12th February 2011, 09:32 PM

I consider myself both "far left" and very "new, new left".
By today's standards, I'm both a civil libertarian extremist and an economic leftist. And I think anyone who believes the two are incompatible is a fool.
I'm also anti-Bernanke and his neoliberal policies.

kellyb · 12th February 2011, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by JihadJane

The Democrats are Republicans.

Yeah. Pretty much.
*cue Clinton-Obamabots in 3, 2, 1,....*

Mycroft · 12th February 2011, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by The Fallen Serpent

Not mine but I think it qualifies.

But that's the side of the arch that leans to the right.

The Fallen Serpent · 13th February 2011, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

Michael Moore a left-wing extremist?

By the poo of the beloved Invisible Pink Uniform (bless Her name) you Americans sure are funny.

Well, he is not a violent extremist, but a few of his ideas like that capitalism is inherently evil and should be abolished are on the extreme side.

Originally Posted by Michael Moore

Capitalism is an evil, and you cannot regulate evil. You have to eliminate it and replace it with something that is good for all people and that something is democracy.

I am a social democrat so in the US I am far left. His concept is extreme in most any country. Maybe not Cuba. China does allow investment and profit though. So does Venezuela.

Now I like a lot of Michael Moore's ideas but a few of them do hit the extreme. Most of rhetoric is about getting others to think rather than hard and fast proposals, as he says he is a film maker not an economist.

TragicMonkey · 14th February 2011, 04:53 AM

Originally Posted by The Fallen Serpent

Now I like a lot of Michael Moore's ideas but a few of them do hit the extreme. Most of rhetoric is about getting others to think rather than hard and fast proposals, as he says he is a film maker not an economist.

I believe I would take his condemnation of capitalism more seriously if he weren't quite so rich from making movies for profit.

tyr_13 · 14th February 2011, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I believe I would take his condemnation of capitalism more seriously if he weren't quite so rich from making movies for profit.

I wouldn't.

JihadJane · 14th February 2011, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I believe I would take his condemnation of capitalism more seriously if he weren't quite so rich from making movies for profit.

Who do you take seriously and why (Specific names, please)?

Beerina · 14th February 2011, 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I believe I would take his condemnation of capitalism more seriously if he weren't quite so rich from making movies for profit.

No doubt he also supports the overturned laws banning corporate political speech for all corporations except media corporations, largely his buddies who say things he likes.

TragicMonkey · 14th February 2011, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by JihadJane

Who do you take seriously and why (Specific names, please)?

Who do I take seriously? Okay. List follows:

/End list.

maddog · 14th February 2011, 06:42 AM

I find it difficult to believe that anyone would take Michael Moore seriously, about almost anything.

maddog · 14th February 2011, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by Mycroft

But that's the side of the arch that leans to the right.

On the left side, it leans to the right, and vice versa...

Upchurch · 14th February 2011, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by Mycroft

But that's the side of the arch that leans to the right.

They took the picture from the back of the Arch.

fishbob · 14th February 2011, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Who do I take seriously? Okay. List follows:

/End list.

You shouldn't believe a word those guys say.

eeyore1954 · 14th February 2011, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by The Fallen Serpent

In 2010 the closing speaker was Glen Beck who spoke about the disease of Progessivism and was sponsored by the John Birch Society.

Is the John Birch sponsored statement true or just hyperbole?

A Laughing Baby · 14th February 2011, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by eeyore1954

Is the John Birch sponsored statement true or just hyperbole?

It's true.

eeyore1954 · 14th February 2011, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by A Laughing Baby

It's true.

Thank you. To be honest I suspected it wasn't a verifiable statement.

A Laughing Baby · 14th February 2011, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by eeyore1954

Thank you. To be honest I suspected it wasn't a verifiable statement.

I'm not sure, however, if that means that the OP is implying that JBS isn't far right, or if the far-right now represents something to the right of the JBS, or something else entirely. It doesn't matter, CNN should know better than to editorialize in any fashion.

KingMerv00 · 14th February 2011, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Beerina

Watching the Egypt stuff on CNN ATM.

"Here in the US, the influential conservative movement has its say on what's happening in Egypt. Up next, we're heading live to the CPAC convention in Washington -- what they have to say about the uprising just might surprise you, so stick around."

Headline at the bottom of the screen, "The Far Right Speaks". Umm, this is basically the Republicans, including some of the Tea Party impetus, that just took control of the House of Representatives.

I now leave the field open for snarky comments and responses.

Ron Paul...end of thread.

maddog · 15th February 2011, 11:29 AM

Star Parker has a column at Townhall now saying that "Gay Conservative" is an oxymoron. I disagree. But, she's entitled to be anti-gay if she wants.

12th February 2011, 07:51 AM	#1
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A floating island above the clouds Posts: 23,835	CNN, Fair and Balanced, "The Far Right Speaks" Watching the Egypt stuff on CNN ATM. "Here in the US, the influential conservative movement has its say on what's happening in Egypt. Up next, we're heading live to the CPAC convention in Washington -- what they have to say about the uprising just might surprise you, so stick around." Headline at the bottom of the screen, "The Far Right Speaks". Umm, this is basically the Republicans, including some of the Tea Party impetus, that just took control of the House of Representatives. I now leave the field open for snarky comments and responses.
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12th February 2011, 09:17 AM	#2
Hutch A broken man on a Halifax pier, the last of Barrett's Privateers Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: About 7 Miles from the Saturn 5B Posts: 6,539	Well, they were going to talk to folks at CPAC, where Ron Paul gets ovations and won the 2008 presidential straw poll, so I think they may have a right to use that moniker...depending on who they interviewed....
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12th February 2011, 11:14 AM	#3
The Fallen Serpent Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Not Oregon, Texas Posts: 1,943	Far Right and Far Left can both be difficult concepts to peg down. It certainly changes. I am unaware of CPAC being supportive of a centrist positions in general. In 2010 the closing speaker was Glen Beck who spoke about the disease of Progessivism and was sponsored by the John Birch Society. Of course, that year and this year included sponsorship by GOProud which I think is generally not considered Far Right since they are more fiscal conservatives than social conservatives. Previous years were very supportive of Mitt Romney and John McCain who are generally considered moderate conservatives. Some of its traditional supporters are breaking ties claiming it is becoming more Libertarian instead of pure Conservative. I suspect it probably changes with the general trends of the major conservative movements. The Republican Party has had a general shift further right in recent years. Younger conservatives appear to have a generally libertarian (movement, not party) bent. Though I generally think of Far right as just meaning staunchly conservative, clearly not moderate or centrist. Extreme right and radical right have different connotations in my mind. So perhaps I am looking at it differently than is the usual, and far right is supposed to mean extreme right.
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12th February 2011, 02:40 PM	#4
JudeBrando Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,701	Who is "far-left"? Who is a "left-wing extremist"? Who is an "arch ultra left-winger"? Does the bird have one wing?
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12th February 2011, 04:22 PM	#5
The Fallen Serpent Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Not Oregon, Texas Posts: 1,943	Originally Posted by JudeBrando Who is "far-left"? I am. Quote: Who is a "left-wing extremist"? Michael Moore. Quote: Who is an "arch ultra left-winger"? Not mine but I think it qualifies. Quote: Does the bird have one wing? If you cut one off.
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12th February 2011, 06:09 PM	#6
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 13,418	Michael Moore a left-wing extremist? By the poo of the beloved Invisible Pink Uniform (bless Her name) you Americans sure are funny.
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12th February 2011, 06:18 PM	#7
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12th February 2011, 09:32 PM	#8
kellyb Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Tennessee. Ain't you jealous? Posts: 4,416	I consider myself both "far left" and very "new, new left". By today's standards, I'm both a civil libertarian extremist and an economic leftist. And I think anyone who believes the two are incompatible is a fool. I'm also anti-Bernanke and his neoliberal policies.
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12th February 2011, 09:34 PM	#9
kellyb Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Tennessee. Ain't you jealous? Posts: 4,416	Originally Posted by JihadJane The Democrats are Republicans. Yeah. Pretty much. cue Clinton-Obamabots in 3, 2, 1,....
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12th February 2011, 11:29 PM	#10
Mycroft High Priest of Ed Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 16,105	Originally Posted by The Fallen Serpent Not mine but I think it qualifies. But that's the side of the arch that leans to the right.
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13th February 2011, 01:45 AM	#11
The Fallen Serpent Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Not Oregon, Texas Posts: 1,943	Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto Michael Moore a left-wing extremist? By the poo of the beloved Invisible Pink Uniform (bless Her name) you Americans sure are funny. Well, he is not a violent extremist, but a few of his ideas like that capitalism is inherently evil and should be abolished are on the extreme side. Originally Posted by Michael Moore Capitalism is an evil, and you cannot regulate evil. You have to eliminate it and replace it with something that is good for all people and that something is democracy. I am a social democrat so in the US I am far left. His concept is extreme in most any country. Maybe not Cuba. China does allow investment and profit though. So does Venezuela. Now I like a lot of Michael Moore's ideas but a few of them do hit the extreme. Most of rhetoric is about getting others to think rather than hard and fast proposals, as he says he is a film maker not an economist.
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14th February 2011, 04:53 AM	#12
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,112	Originally Posted by The Fallen Serpent Now I like a lot of Michael Moore's ideas but a few of them do hit the extreme. Most of rhetoric is about getting others to think rather than hard and fast proposals, as he says he is a film maker not an economist. I believe I would take his condemnation of capitalism more seriously if he weren't quite so rich from making movies for profit.
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14th February 2011, 05:35 AM	#13
tyr_13 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Falconer, NY Posts: 9,675	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey I believe I would take his condemnation of capitalism more seriously if he weren't quite so rich from making movies for profit. I wouldn't.
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14th February 2011, 05:41 AM	#14
JihadJane Penultimate Satisfaction Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 42,744	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey I believe I would take his condemnation of capitalism more seriously if he weren't quite so rich from making movies for profit. Who do you take seriously and why (Specific names, please)?
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14th February 2011, 05:49 AM	#15
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A floating island above the clouds Posts: 23,835	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey I believe I would take his condemnation of capitalism more seriously if he weren't quite so rich from making movies for profit. No doubt he also supports the overturned laws banning corporate political speech for all corporations except media corporations, largely his buddies who say things he likes.
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14th February 2011, 05:56 AM	#16
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,112	Originally Posted by JihadJane Who do you take seriously and why (Specific names, please)? Who do I take seriously? Okay. List follows: /End list.
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14th February 2011, 06:42 AM	#17
maddog Intimidating Terrapin Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The People's Republic of Maryland Posts: 11,820	I find it difficult to believe that anyone would take Michael Moore seriously, about almost anything.
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14th February 2011, 06:43 AM	#18
maddog Intimidating Terrapin Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The People's Republic of Maryland Posts: 11,820	Originally Posted by Mycroft But that's the side of the arch that leans to the right. On the left side, it leans to the right, and vice versa...
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14th February 2011, 08:08 AM	#19
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,428	Originally Posted by Mycroft But that's the side of the arch that leans to the right. They took the picture from the back of the Arch.

14th February 2011, 08:48 AM	#20
fishbob Seasonally Disaffected Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chilly Undieville Posts: 5,667	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Who do I take seriously? Okay. List follows: /End list. You shouldn't believe a word those guys say.
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14th February 2011, 09:31 AM	#21
eeyore1954 Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,125	Originally Posted by The Fallen Serpent In 2010 the closing speaker was Glen Beck who spoke about the disease of Progessivism and was sponsored by the John Birch Society. Is the John Birch sponsored statement true or just hyperbole?
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14th February 2011, 09:35 AM	#22
A Laughing Baby A baby. Goo goo ga ga Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,992	Originally Posted by eeyore1954 Is the John Birch sponsored statement true or just hyperbole? It's true.
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14th February 2011, 09:56 AM	#23
eeyore1954 Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,125	Originally Posted by A Laughing Baby It's true. Thank you. To be honest I suspected it wasn't a verifiable statement.
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14th February 2011, 10:31 AM	#24
A Laughing Baby A baby. Goo goo ga ga Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,992	Originally Posted by eeyore1954 Thank you. To be honest I suspected it wasn't a verifiable statement. I'm not sure, however, if that means that the OP is implying that JBS isn't far right, or if the far-right now represents something to the right of the JBS, or something else entirely. It doesn't matter, CNN should know better than to editorialize in any fashion.
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14th February 2011, 10:52 AM	#25
KingMerv00 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA...USA Posts: 14,482	Originally Posted by Beerina Watching the Egypt stuff on CNN ATM. "Here in the US, the influential conservative movement has its say on what's happening in Egypt. Up next, we're heading live to the CPAC convention in Washington -- what they have to say about the uprising just might surprise you, so stick around." Headline at the bottom of the screen, "The Far Right Speaks". Umm, this is basically the Republicans, including some of the Tea Party impetus, that just took control of the House of Representatives. I now leave the field open for snarky comments and responses. Ron Paul...end of thread.
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15th February 2011, 11:29 AM	#26
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