if Al Queda has no ties to Iraq.....

Nie Trink Wasser · 17th March 2004, 01:16 PM

then what is this ?

Quote:

Purported al Qaeda letter calls truce in Spain
Wed 17 March, 2004 20:15

CAIRO (Reuters) - A group claiming to have links with al Qaeda says it is calling a truce in its Spanish operations to see if the new government will withdraw its troops from Iraq, a pan-Arab newspaper says.

In a statement sent on Wednesday to the Arabic language daily al-Hayat, the Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades, which claimed responsibility for the Madrid bombings that killed 201 people, also urged its European units to stop all operations.

"Because of this decision, the leadership has decided to stop all operations within the Spanish territories... until we know the intentions of the new government that has promised to withdraw Spanish troops from Iraq," the statement said.

[mod2=Upchurch]edited to add reference link [/mod2]

Mr Manifesto · 17th March 2004, 01:20 PM

It wasn't, 'Al Qaeda have ties to Iraq', it was, 'Al Qaeda have ties to Saddam'. Now that Saddam has gone, they are possibly trying to start a power base in Iraq.

Now go start some threads on Kerry. The adults are trying to talk.

Edit: Clarity.

varwoche · 17th March 2004, 01:20 PM

Despite that it's glaringly obvious...

Sure, there may be ties NOW, as a result of the war.

crackmonkey · 17th March 2004, 01:26 PM

Yeah. I suported the war, but it's pretty clear that there were no real ties between OBL and Saddam.

Lurker · 17th March 2004, 01:32 PM

NTW is just repeating Rush's failed logic. Rush Limbaugh was saying this yesterday on his show. It can't be coincidence that NTW happens to repeat it today.

I laughed as Rush tried to use this as proof that Al Qaeda was involved in Iraq. LOL

Lurker

Mr Manifesto · 17th March 2004, 01:37 PM

Ah, c'mon Trinky, don't run away now. STICK UP FOR YOUR OPINIONS! Surely you have a counter-response? Surprise me for once. Stick up for what you believe in. Otherwise you just look boring.

Upchurch · 17th March 2004, 01:43 PM

I'm going to go out on a limb here, using my psychic powers, to predict that NTW will attempt to make fun of everyone's replies, call us all names, and not support his assertion.

Let's watch and see...

edited to add:

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr. Manifesto
Now go start some threads on Kerry.

Alternatively, to hedge my prediction a tad, he might also just post photoshopped pictures of Kerry, which amounts to about the same thing. The spirits are unclear in this regard.

Nie Trink Wasser · 17th March 2004, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Now go start some threads on Kerry. The adults are trying to talk.

Do you even have your drivers license yet ?!!?!

adults..........what a joke....

your maybe 16 years old dude.....you said it yourself....

Nie Trink Wasser · 17th March 2004, 02:01 PM

Saddam has supported terror and suicide bombing for a long time.

it'll take years for socialists like yourselves to even admit that he has mass graves and funded such things.

DavidJames · 17th March 2004, 02:01 PM

Quote:

predict that NTW will attempt to make fun of everyone's replies, call us all names, and not support his assertion

Quote:

Do you even have your drivers license yet ?!!?!

adults..........what a joke....Do you even have your drivers license yet ?!!?!

damn, Randi loses another million, where does he send the check

Upchurch · 17th March 2004, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DavidJames
damn, Randi loses another million, where does he send the check

Oh, I don't use my gifts for profit. That would sully the purity of my connection with the spirits. Ironically, I absolutely hate charity, so I'm not going to donate the money either. Randi can keep his millions.

Tmy · 17th March 2004, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Upchurch
I'm going to go out on a limb here, using my psychic powers, to predict that NTW will attempt to make fun of everyone's replies, call us all names, and not support his assertion.

Let's watch and see...

edited to add:
Alternatively, to hedge my prediction a tad, he might also just post photoshopped pictures of Kerry, which amounts to about the same thing. The spirits are unclear in this regard.

Give Nie a break. Hes growing. Usually he just links some story where some black guy (who obvioulsy represents the entire black race) says/does something outrageous

Mr Manifesto · 17th March 2004, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
Saddam has supported terror and suicide bombing for a long time.

it'll take years for socialists like yourselves to even admit that he has mass graves and funded such things.

I think you'll find that's a strawman. Unless you can find somewhere where I said Saddam was way-cool and the accusations about him were all so much spin.

The problem we socialists have is that Saddam was supported by the American government while he was committing many of these atrocities. It can make one mistrust the motives of the government when they suddenly use them as a <strike>pretext</strike> reason for invasion.

Upchurch · 17th March 2004, 02:24 PM

Waaaait a sec. Where's the link for that article, NTW? I'm in the troubling position of, as a poster, wondering if you made it up or, as a moderator, wondering if I have a copyright infringement to edit.

Which is it?

Nie Trink Wasser · 17th March 2004, 02:28 PM

just go ahead and delete it...Ive since lost the link.

it'll make your life less stressful to not have the information there anyway.

Nie Trink Wasser · 17th March 2004, 02:39 PM

nevermind DONT DELETE the thread

here is the link

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=4591099

Upchurch · 17th March 2004, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
just go ahead and delete it...Ive since lost the link.

it'll make your life less stressful to not have the information there anyway.

Actually, it's a legal issue. Your propogandizing spin on actual news doesn't really bother me in the least.

Nie Trink Wasser · 17th March 2004, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Upchurch
Actually, it's a legal issue. Your propogandizing spin on actual news doesn't really bother me in the least.

drama queen

just read the news story and stop spinning so fast.

Mr Manifesto · 17th March 2004, 02:44 PM

...Then why are they killing Iraqi civilians?

Nie Trink Wasser · 17th March 2004, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto
...Then why are they killing Iraqi civilians?

they dont care who they kill. they just kill to make people like you make stupid decisions and vote socialists into power.

Mr Manifesto · 17th March 2004, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser

they dont care who they kill. they just kill to make people like you make stupid decisions and vote socialists into power.

Just so I don't misconstrue your meaning, are you saying that A-Q just kill for the sake of it, with no reason for their targets?

Upchurch · 17th March 2004, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser

they dont care who they kill. they just kill to make people like you make stupid decisions and vote socialists into power.

Have you ever considered running for the office of Sean Hannity? Your style is dead on...

May I call you "Sean"?

(I can't take credit for the comparison. Luke T. pointed it out to me.)

hgc · 17th March 2004, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser

drama queen

just read the news story and stop spinning so fast.

Do you have a "the rain stops here" umbrella, schmuck?

Crossbow · 17th March 2004, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
then what is this ?

...

If NTW (or anyone else) is actually interested in finding out how Al Qaeda has become decentralized, wide-spread, and has linked with several other terrorist groups since the war, then I suggest that they listen to the excellent interview that was recently on NPR.

http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1771429

Al Qaeda Involvement in Madrid Bombing
NPR's Michele Norris talks with Jessica Stern, a lecturer at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government and author of Terror in the Name of God, about the bombings in Madrid, the al Qaeda connection, and the current state of al Qaeda.

17th March 2004, 01:16 PM	#1
Nie Trink Wasser Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,333	if Al Queda has no ties to Iraq..... then what is this ? Quote: Purported al Qaeda letter calls truce in Spain Wed 17 March, 2004 20:15 CAIRO (Reuters) - A group claiming to have links with al Qaeda says it is calling a truce in its Spanish operations to see if the new government will withdraw its troops from Iraq, a pan-Arab newspaper says. In a statement sent on Wednesday to the Arabic language daily al-Hayat, the Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades, which claimed responsibility for the Madrid bombings that killed 201 people, also urged its European units to stop all operations. "Because of this decision, the leadership has decided to stop all operations within the Spanish territories... until we know the intentions of the new government that has promised to withdraw Spanish troops from Iraq," the statement said. [mod2=Upchurch]edited to add reference link [/mod2]
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17th March 2004, 01:20 PM	#3
varwoche Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 7,233	Despite that it's glaringly obvious... Sure, there may be ties NOW, as a result of the war.
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17th March 2004, 01:32 PM	#5
Lurker Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,187	NTW is just repeating Rush's failed logic. Rush Limbaugh was saying this yesterday on his show. It can't be coincidence that NTW happens to repeat it today. I laughed as Rush tried to use this as proof that Al Qaeda was involved in Iraq. LOL Lurker
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17th March 2004, 01:59 PM	#8
Nie Trink Wasser Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,333	Quote: Now go start some threads on Kerry. The adults are trying to talk. Do you even have your drivers license yet ?!!?! adults..........what a joke.... your maybe 16 years old dude.....you said it yourself....
	__________________ "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." - Adolf Hitler (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306) "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." - Louis D. Brandeis "Heâ€™s pulled back the curtain to reveal places like Harvard as the gratuitous institutions theyâ€™ve become ever since graduating the Unabomber (and other like-minded lunatics) who can justify terrorism all too easily with the moral indifference of postmodernism."

17th March 2004, 02:01 PM	#9
Nie Trink Wasser Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,333	Saddam has supported terror and suicide bombing for a long time. it'll take years for socialists like yourselves to even admit that he has mass graves and funded such things.
	__________________ "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." - Adolf Hitler (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306) "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." - Louis D. Brandeis "Heâ€™s pulled back the curtain to reveal places like Harvard as the gratuitous institutions theyâ€™ve become ever since graduating the Unabomber (and other like-minded lunatics) who can justify terrorism all too easily with the moral indifference of postmodernism."

17th March 2004, 01:20 PM	#2
Mr Manifesto Hierophant Walrus of the Secret Clique Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 4,824	It wasn't, 'Al Qaeda have ties to Iraq', it was, 'Al Qaeda have ties to Saddam'. Now that Saddam has gone, they are possibly trying to start a power base in Iraq. Now go start some threads on Kerry. The adults are trying to talk. Edit: Clarity.

17th March 2004, 01:26 PM	#4
crackmonkey Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,057	Yeah. I suported the war, but it's pretty clear that there were no real ties between OBL and Saddam.

17th March 2004, 01:37 PM	#6
Mr Manifesto Hierophant Walrus of the Secret Clique Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 4,824	Ah, c'mon Trinky, don't run away now. STICK UP FOR YOUR OPINIONS! Surely you have a counter-response? Surprise me for once. Stick up for what you believe in. Otherwise you just look boring.

17th March 2004, 01:43 PM	#7
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,426	I'm going to go out on a limb here, using my psychic powers, to predict that NTW will attempt to make fun of everyone's replies, call us all names, and not support his assertion. Let's watch and see... edited to add: Quote: Originally posted by Mr. Manifesto Now go start some threads on Kerry. Alternatively, to hedge my prediction a tad, he might also just post photoshopped pictures of Kerry, which amounts to about the same thing. The spirits are unclear in this regard.

17th March 2004, 02:01 PM	#10
DavidJames Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Front Range, CO Posts: 7,088	Quote: predict that NTW will attempt to make fun of everyone's replies, call us all names, and not support his assertion Quote: Do you even have your drivers license yet ?!!?! adults..........what a joke....Do you even have your drivers license yet ?!!?! damn, Randi loses another million, where does he send the check

17th March 2004, 02:05 PM	#11
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,426	Quote: Originally posted by DavidJames damn, Randi loses another million, where does he send the check Oh, I don't use my gifts for profit. That would sully the purity of my connection with the spirits. Ironically, I absolutely hate charity, so I'm not going to donate the money either. Randi can keep his millions.

17th March 2004, 02:05 PM	#12
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	Quote: Originally posted by Upchurch I'm going to go out on a limb here, using my psychic powers, to predict that NTW will attempt to make fun of everyone's replies, call us all names, and not support his assertion. Let's watch and see... edited to add: Alternatively, to hedge my prediction a tad, he might also just post photoshopped pictures of Kerry, which amounts to about the same thing. The spirits are unclear in this regard. Give Nie a break. Hes growing. Usually he just links some story where some black guy (who obvioulsy represents the entire black race) says/does something outrageous
	__________________ "Common sense is something that skeptics can and should do without." -shanek

17th March 2004, 02:05 PM	#13
Mr Manifesto Hierophant Walrus of the Secret Clique Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 4,824	Quote: Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser Saddam has supported terror and suicide bombing for a long time. it'll take years for socialists like yourselves to even admit that he has mass graves and funded such things. I think you'll find that's a strawman. Unless you can find somewhere where I said Saddam was way-cool and the accusations about him were all so much spin. The problem we socialists have is that Saddam was supported by the American government while he was committing many of these atrocities. It can make one mistrust the motives of the government when they suddenly use them as a <strike>pretext</strike> reason for invasion.

17th March 2004, 02:24 PM	#14
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,426	Waaaait a sec. Where's the link for that article, NTW? I'm in the troubling position of, as a poster, wondering if you made it up or, as a moderator, wondering if I have a copyright infringement to edit. Which is it?

17th March 2004, 02:28 PM	#15
Nie Trink Wasser Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,333	just go ahead and delete it...Ive since lost the link. it'll make your life less stressful to not have the information there anyway.
	__________________ "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." - Adolf Hitler (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306) "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." - Louis D. Brandeis "Heâ€™s pulled back the curtain to reveal places like Harvard as the gratuitous institutions theyâ€™ve become ever since graduating the Unabomber (and other like-minded lunatics) who can justify terrorism all too easily with the moral indifference of postmodernism."

17th March 2004, 02:39 PM	#16
Nie Trink Wasser Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,333	nevermind DONT DELETE the thread here is the link http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=4591099
	__________________ "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." - Adolf Hitler (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306) "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." - Louis D. Brandeis "Heâ€™s pulled back the curtain to reveal places like Harvard as the gratuitous institutions theyâ€™ve become ever since graduating the Unabomber (and other like-minded lunatics) who can justify terrorism all too easily with the moral indifference of postmodernism."

17th March 2004, 02:40 PM	#17
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,426	Quote: Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser just go ahead and delete it...Ive since lost the link. it'll make your life less stressful to not have the information there anyway. Actually, it's a legal issue. Your propogandizing spin on actual news doesn't really bother me in the least.

17th March 2004, 02:42 PM	#18
Nie Trink Wasser Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,333	Quote: Originally posted by Upchurch Actually, it's a legal issue. Your propogandizing spin on actual news doesn't really bother me in the least. drama queen just read the news story and stop spinning so fast.
	__________________ "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." - Adolf Hitler (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306) "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." - Louis D. Brandeis "Heâ€™s pulled back the curtain to reveal places like Harvard as the gratuitous institutions theyâ€™ve become ever since graduating the Unabomber (and other like-minded lunatics) who can justify terrorism all too easily with the moral indifference of postmodernism."

17th March 2004, 02:44 PM	#19
Mr Manifesto Hierophant Walrus of the Secret Clique Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 4,824	If Al Qaeda Love the Iraqis So Much... ...Then why are they killing Iraqi civilians?

17th March 2004, 02:46 PM	#20
Nie Trink Wasser Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,333	Re: If Al Qaeda Love the Iraqis So Much... Quote: Originally posted by Mr Manifesto ...Then why are they killing Iraqi civilians? they dont care who they kill. they just kill to make people like you make stupid decisions and vote socialists into power.
	__________________ "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." - Adolf Hitler (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306) "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." - Louis D. Brandeis "Heâ€™s pulled back the curtain to reveal places like Harvard as the gratuitous institutions theyâ€™ve become ever since graduating the Unabomber (and other like-minded lunatics) who can justify terrorism all too easily with the moral indifference of postmodernism."

17th March 2004, 02:56 PM	#21
Mr Manifesto Hierophant Walrus of the Secret Clique Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 4,824	Re: Re: If Al Qaeda Love the Iraqis So Much... Quote: Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser they dont care who they kill. they just kill to make people like you make stupid decisions and vote socialists into power. Just so I don't misconstrue your meaning, are you saying that A-Q just kill for the sake of it, with no reason for their targets?

17th March 2004, 02:57 PM	#22
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,426	Re: Re: If Al Qaeda Love the Iraqis So Much... Quote: Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser they dont care who they kill. they just kill to make people like you make stupid decisions and vote socialists into power. Have you ever considered running for the office of Sean Hannity? Your style is dead on... May I call you "Sean"? (I can't take credit for the comparison. Luke T. pointed it out to me.)

17th March 2004, 03:02 PM	#23
hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,017	Quote: Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser drama queen just read the news story and stop spinning so fast. Do you have a "the rain stops here" umbrella, schmuck?
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17th March 2004, 06:24 PM	#24
Crossbow Seeking Honesty and Sanity Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,294	Re: if Al Queda has no ties to Iraq..... Quote: Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser then what is this ? ... If NTW (or anyone else) is actually interested in finding out how Al Qaeda has become decentralized, wide-spread, and has linked with several other terrorist groups since the war, then I suggest that they listen to the excellent interview that was recently on NPR. http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1771429 Al Qaeda Involvement in Madrid Bombing NPR's Michele Norris talks with Jessica Stern, a lecturer at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government and author of Terror in the Name of God, about the bombings in Madrid, the al Qaeda connection, and the current state of al Qaeda.
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